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the "n" bomb, nigga and nigger
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post Jun 23 2005, 01:43 PM
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I'm not angry, so please keep that in mind while reading this...

Due to the recent trend of people using the "n" word in such a nonchalant manner and due to my recent discontent with letting it slide, I'm making this known.

Don't use the word... at all. I don't care if you're joking, I don't care if you're serious, don't say it.

To my fellow Afro-Americans; we, as a people, have fought long and hard in this country to make it known that a) that word is an unacceptable insult and b) its a sign of blatant racism. The more and more we perpetuate such a word, the more people of other cultures will begin to use it in such a playful manner. Saying, "thats OUR word," is just as bad as saying it in a derogatory manner. Don't say it. Wonder why there's a white kid from Iowa sitting on his computer calling people, "my nigga," well, more than likely, its because you keep saying it. Or does it strike you as odd that a welloff asian kid who thinks he's a 'kangsta' uses "nigga" in his rhymes? 9 times out of 10, its because you keep saying it. Solution: don't say it.

To my humanoid brothers and sisters; you're not cool by dropping the N bomb. Furthermore, as much as you think you can say it without it being a big deal, you are offending someone. And by offense, I'm not talking about being 'rubbed the wrong way,' I'm talking about being reminded that racism still exists and by using the N word in such a glorified context, you're mocking a history of hardships. Just because you hear 50 Cent or Ludacris say it in their rhymes doesn't it make it any more acceptable. If you hear one of your black friends say it, that still doesn't give you the right to. Even if they say, "I don't care if you say it," that doesn't make it ok. Take into consideration that they're probably just as ignorant as you are. Bottom line; don't say it.

To the racists (believe me, I know they're here); Instead of threatening to take your life by going the Malcolm X route [AK-47s and Sawed Offs], I'm going to simpley and politely ask that you not use the word. If you're a close-minded racist and you can't get over the fact that times have changed and society is evolving, then keep your goddamned mouths shut. If you really feel so compelled to call someone a "nigger," do so... but do it in a group of gang members in the Traps of Atlanta.

To everyone; this isn't just an issue within the black community. Don't stand for words like chink, spic, wetback, ginny, etc. Its wrong. The more these words are used, the more racial slurs are encouraged and the more we digress as a society.

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post Jul 10 2005, 02:03 AM
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QUOTE(headphones @ Jul 10 2005, 12:38 AM)
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QUOTE(nightmare4taki @ Jul 6 2005, 3:26 PM)
QUOTE(2pac)
NIGGA
Never Ignorant Getting Goals Accomplished - TUPAC's definition

QUOTE(2pac)
NIGGER- a black man with a slavery chain around his neck.

NIGGA- a black man with a gold chain on his neck.
Tupac defined the word

Thats the definition im sticking with. Many words in the english language sound the same but have different meaning.

Like Bear and Bare, both are spelled differently so they take on different meanings. Thats my take on the difference between Nigga and Nigger.
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There's Black People and there's Niggas.  And Niggas have got to go.  Everytime Black People wanna have a good time, ig'nant ass Niggas f**k it up.  Can't do shit without some ig'nant ass Niggas f**kin it up.  ...Can't go to a movie the first week it come out.  Why?  Cuz Niggas are shootin' at the screen.  What kind of ignorant shit is that? "man this a good movie.  This so good, i gotta bust a cap up in here." I love black people, but I hate Niggas.  ...Niggas will live next door to you, break into your house, come over the next day and go "I heard you got robbed"


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^ You do realize I was only kidding right and I realize I was foolish for putting it there.

And how could you counter that quote with Chris Rock of all people. I personally have nothing against him but we all know he uses the N-word just for gratification.
He is one of many stand up comedians who uses the word religiously and also one of the many people I feel has marketed the word to become famous. This is why I don' t really give a damn if someone calls me the N-word because I realize its not their fault when the word is so widely commercialized and proliferated in today's society. Lets just face it no matter how much you approve or disapprove of how the N-word is used I really do believe that individuals will never stop using this word especially seeing how the word Nigga has been mainstreamed through mostly Hip Hop music.

Anyway Im not even going to front about the N-word.

Do I use it?
Of course I do

Do I use it often?
Very Seldom

Where do I stand on the situation?
I personally have mixed feelings about the word. I feel that the word can be used in both good and bad way.
 
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post Jul 11 2005, 12:05 PM
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besides what the point of calling soneone nigga? use their names..
 
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pinch.gif I disagree with that statement Cassie.

It is pretty hypocritical when a black person will call another black person a "nigga" , and then turn around and want to shoot another person of another race for using it.

Like Nightmare4taki said, I'm not going to front about the N word. I have used it. But it's only been in repeating words of a song. I have never called anyone a "nigga/nigger", and I don't plan on doing so.

How can we cripe about how we don't want the word to be used, and use it like 50 times in one sentence? I don't think the word is so popular because of other races being racist to black people. It's because the word is in so many popular songs, that all races can listen too, and it's said so much in the black culture. Monkey see monkey do.

So who are we to complain? If black people really want people to stop using that word, they'll stop using it themselves.

I've had this argument with so many of my black friends before, and they say, "You've been hanging out with too many white people" or "What kind of black person are you to NOT use the word"...things like that. They say it's their privelege, like Cassie said. They say it's representing the hardships they overcame in the past, and making light of it.

I partly agree with that last statement, except for the fact that: Many black people talk about slavery as if, they themselves picked the cotton, used the underground railroad system, and walked thousands of miles. Me? I would complain about someone bringing something up in say, last august, and complaining about it. It's old, tired, shit by now. All the way in the 1700's is a long time to be holding a grudge.

Me? Both my parents were born in Nigeria, Africa. And I am 1/4 Dutch as well. So my ancestors were not in fact, slaves. It's not looked upon that way. I'm black..I've "been through slavery" so, I should say the word right? Not right.


Nigga/Nigger. I see no difference but spelling. They both mean the same thing to me.

Before/BFore/B4/Be4/ I see no difference but spelling either. I spell it a different way, but you still no what I'm saying, right?

So don't try to make "Nigger" better, by taking off the "er" and adding, an A.

In my opinion, I don't think the N word will ever stop being used--there are just too many black people who use it. But in the future, I'm not going to be one of those people.


*sighs* how do i put this... i didnt mean that. i mean, i did, but- er....

ok... i was speaking in terms of a black person that uses the word. i was speaking as if i were them.

to them, its their right. its their privlege. its the word they can use whenever they want, whereever they want. its like their own little thing. and this makes them feel special.

not that i agree with them using it and such, but yes >.>;;
 
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QUOTE(brownsugar08 @ Jul 11 2005, 11:55 AM)
pinch.gif  I disagree with that statement Cassie.

It is pretty hypocritical when a black person will call another black person a "nigga" , and then turn around and want to shoot another person of another race for using it.

Like Nightmare4taki said, I'm not going to front about the N word. I have used it. But it's only been in repeating words of a song. I have never called anyone a "nigga/nigger", and I don't plan on doing so.

How can we cripe about how we don't want the word to be used, and use it like 50 times in one sentence? I don't think the word is so popular because of other races being racist to black people.  It's because the word is in so many popular songs, that all races can listen too, and it's said so much in the black culture.  Monkey see monkey do.

So who are we to complain? If black people really want people to stop using that word, they'll stop using it themselves.

I've had this argument with so many of my black friends before, and they say, "You've been hanging out with too many white people" or "What kind of black person are you to NOT use the word"...things like that. They say it's their privelege, like Cassie said. They say it's representing the hardships they overcame in the past, and making light of it.

I partly agree with that last statement, except for the fact that: Many black people talk about slavery as if, they themselves picked the cotton, used the underground railroad system, and walked thousands of miles. Me? I would complain about someone bringing something up in say, last august, and complaining about it. It's old, tired, shit by now. All the way in the 1700's is a long time to be holding a grudge.

Me? Both my parents were born in Nigeria, Africa. And I am 1/4 Dutch as well. So my ancestors were not in fact, slaves. It's not looked upon that way. I'm black..I've "been through slavery" so, I should say the word right? Not right.
Nigga/Nigger. I see no difference but spelling. They both mean the same thing to me.





Before/BFore/B4/Be4/ I see no difference but spelling either. I spell it a different way, but you still know what I'm saying, right?

So don't try to make "Nigger" better, by taking off the "er" and adding, an A.

In my opinion, I don't think the N word will ever stop being used--there are just too many black people who use it. But in the future, I'm not going to be one of those people.
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I agree with everything you said times like %110.
It's so disrespectful to our anscestors to use it like it's no big deal. When my Great-grandparents came here from Cape Verde, they were bombarded with the word, and shunned from the Portuguese communities because of it. That's why I personally NEVER use the word, not when I'm talking with my black friends, or with my friends of other races. I could not even begin to imagine how my father would react if I said that word in front of him, because of how horrible the connatation of the word was when and where he grew up.

I also don't see how we can promote a word so much, and still get so angry when other people use it. It wasn't our generation (notice that's the one that uses it so much) who wasn't allowed to sit in the front of the bus because of it, and it wasn't our generation who had to work in the fields because of it. So have the respect for the people who would actually experienced what the word ment first hand, and and just don't say it, it's not that hard.


QUOTE(sikdragon @ Jul 5 2005, 2:14 AM)
Like you still have a seperate water fountain. (That complaint kills me. Two water fountains just meant shorter lines for everyone.)
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I also felt some sort of need to correct this argument.

just shorter lines I suppose...
 
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QUOTE(illumineering @ Jul 9 2005, 2:10 PM)
Yes, it was the Civil War.

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the civil war had almost nothing to do with slavery. It was about money and how the country should be runned. Slavery was just a foot note.
 
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Please read through the thread. I replied to your outlandish claims and I'm awaiting your response.

Please back up what you say.
 
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^or maybe he realises youre right and refuses to accept it huh.gif
 
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ok ok ok ok ok ok wayne has something to say...


this thread is entertaining...

now.. i know alot of races and i hang with them.. but the one i seem to notice that uses racial slurs against thier own race is asians. what is this word you ask? FOB. for those who dont know.. go find out..

i know alot of asian people who have called each other fob's when they are playing around. just the same as black people using hte word nigga. now im not saying that all asians use that word, just the same as all black's dont use the word nigger/nigga/whatever you wana say..


just sopmething i wanted ot bring up (if someone else has already spoken about this srry..) seeing how we are on the racial slurs topic.
 
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QUOTE(sikdragon @ Jul 11 2005, 7:51 PM)
the civil war had almost nothing to do with slavery. It was about money and how the country should be runned. Slavery was just a foot note.
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LOL Are you kidding me?! First off, "how the country should be runned" is incredibly bad grammar. You might need to go back to school before summer's over. wink.gif

Second of all, the Civil War was completely about slavery. The south receded because Abraham Lincoln was elected and they knew he was an abolishonist. They wanted slavery to stay in tact. What in it was about money at all? huh.gif

Back to school for you, bucko.
 
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post Jul 12 2005, 11:33 AM
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QUOTE(headphones @ Jul 12 2005, 9:08 AM)


LOL Are you kidding me?! First off, "how the country should be runned" is incredibly bad grammar. You might need to go back to school before summer's over. wink.gif

Second of all, the Civil War was completely about slavery. The south receded because Abraham Lincoln was elected and they knew he was an abolishonist. They wanted slavery to stay in tact. What in it was about money at all? huh.gif

Back to school for you, bucko.

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There are Civil War books . . . and then there are Civil War books. Among the many books about the Civil War on the market today, only one addresses a little-known reason why that great conflict was fought. International book reviewer Danny Yee has stated, "One of the things that has always puzzled me about the history of the United States is how a civil war could be fought and won to end slavery, but full civil rights not be granted to blacks until a century later." An explanation is to be found in The Forgotten Cause of the Civil War by Dr. Lawrence R. Tenzer whose 21 years of research show that many in the North perceived slavery as a personal threat to their free Northern way of life.

Tenzer explains that in the antebellum South, the children of slave mothers were slaves from the moment of birth. Even though miscegenation lightened skin color, virtually white slave children were still considered mulattoes and remained slaves nonetheless, even after an endless number of generations went by and all discernible Negroid traits were long gone. A good example is a case he reports in which a slave woman who was one sixty-fourth black was on the auction block. One of her great-great-great-great grandparents was black. Not all slaves in the South were black, and this phenomenon of white slaves, whites with a distant black ancestor, was to have unexpected political consequences.

A large number of white slaves escaped to the Northern states hoping to pass into free white society, and slave catchers went North looking for them. This posed a direct threat to white people living in the North because under the provisions of the Fugitive Slave Law of 1850, runaway slaves could be reclaimed without due process, which in effect allowed for free whites to be mistakenly seized. Furthermore, as Chapter 6 goes on to prove, such Southern political power opened up the potential for slavery being nationalized, and as such the very real possibility existed that enslavement could be extended to the lower class of white laborers as well. Lincoln himself made reference to slavery "regardless of color" during a speech he gave in Chicago on December 10, 1856. Lincoln also spoke of white slavery in other speeches, all of which Tenzer has fully documented. PLATE 9 is his book shows an 1856 Republican party handbill which clearly states in capital letters, "SLAVERY IS RIGHT, NATURAL, AND NECESSARY, AND DOES NOT DEPEND UPON DIFFERENCE OF COMPLEXION. THE LAWS OF THE SLAVE STATES JUSTIFY THE HOLDING OF WHITE MEN IN BONDAGE." Illustrations which depict actual white slaves and other historical documents having to do with white slavery provide enough proof to convince even the most skeptical reader that white people were slaves in the American South and that white slavery was indeed a cause of the Civil War. It is very important to point out that white slavery was merely a by-product of black slavery since there were certainly a great many more black slaves than white. It was the idea — not the reality — of white slavery and the threat to freedom it posed which concerned the North


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i agree i'm in ATL and it isnt even funny how many people use this word for know reason. But for some its a habbit. My freinds use it but when some one calls me it i look them in the face and say no that isnt my name and then i get into it mad.gif
 
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QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ Jul 10 2005, 1:32 AM)
You condescending douchebag, lets go over a few things, shall we?

I'd like to begin by asking you a few questions;

1) What is your ethnicity?
2) Where do you live?
3) Do you even have a clue as to what goes on in our society?

I've read quite a few of your posts and they're generally biased and close-minded. And when they aren't biased and close-minded, they're obnoxious and patronizing. (How dare you muster the nerve to criticize someone's poetry because you believe there's a template for expression). I've had about enough of you and your shit. Before I bid you adieu by suggestion that you take a bath while drying your hair, I'll address this debate.

This debate isn't a matter of the n word being the worst racial slur. You've missed the point entirely. Who said it was the worst? And by 'you' what exactly is your implication?

Regarding historical hardships, I said nothing to discredit any other races. Was this topic 'the compare and contrast of the trials and tribulations of various races?' No. Its a topic addressing the n-word and why I find it to be offensive.

Thanks for being the lone opposition in the debate in an effort to keep it going (thats what you were doing, right? You aren't really that ignorant, are you?), but keep in mind that if all you know is what you read or what has been fed to you by way of the media, then you don't know shit. Spare me the history lesson.

If you're going to contribute to an argument, be sure you're actually contributing instead of making yourself look like an ignorant jackass.

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1.irish
2.i live in the middle of flint michigan. A predominately black hell hole.
3.yes i have a good idea of what goes on in our society. Im not an expert but there are some facets of american life that i am proud to say, I am knowledgable of.

Of course my posts are biased and closed-minded. This is the debate section. You have to present your case closed-minded and biased. Because it's your case. If you waiver in what your saying you give the rebuttle places to tear apart your statement.

Poetry is an art. There is a good deal of difference between good art and bad art depending upon the audience. There is a reason why emily dickinson is considered to be way better than joe nobody. I was probably criticizing you the same way i criticize myself. You can't get better if nobody challenges you. I hold myself to the same standard as will shakespeare and rob frost. It's my craft. It's what im passionate for. If you dont share that passion disregard what i say about poetry. I take it extremely seriously. If you put it out there just to get a pat on the back and to be patronized by your fellow celebraters of mediocrity then say that when you post your thread. My mistake was that i thought a lot of you were serious about poetry. I apologize for over estimating you.

According to dictionary.msn.com it is the worst racial slur. In this society wet back is much more acceptable than nigger.

OK? so we're supposed to argue about what goes on in your mind rather than the real issue of racism manifest in a single word?

The media is the only source of any information. Regardless of your opinion. books are media. Music is media. The internet is media. Newspapers are media. Historical documents are media. TV is media. Movies are media. By discrediting all of these things there is nothing left for one to learn from.

I was using the socratic method to teach myself and others why we believe such things. Yeah i deviated from it and added information in my questioning, but i believed this to be a special case.

I forgive you your prejudices, it was just a big misunderstanding. I know you really dont mean those things. Ill try harder not to stir up confrontation. That does not mean, however, that i'll not keep to the path that i know is right. Someone has to support my side of all these issues. If I don't, what's the point of debating? It seems everyone else agrees. i'm going to continue playing devil's advocate. FYI.
 
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2.i live in the middle of flint michigan. A predominately black hell hole.


lmao... black people in michigan... never thought that even existed... laugh.gif


but seriously.. you sound like a red neck the way you call it a black hell hole stubborn.gif
 
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dude detroit is in michigan. Everyone who lives here knows flint sucks.
 
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QUOTE(sikdragon @ Jul 12 2005, 11:25 AM)
Of course my posts are biased and closed-minded. This is the debate section. You have to present your case closed-minded and biased. Because it's your case. If you waiver in what your saying you give the rebuttle places to tear apart your statement.
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Why the hell are you even debating if you're going to be close-minded about the whole subject? People don't debate to just argue, people debate to try and convince others that their opinions are better. But if both refuse to compromise, how is debate going to get anything done? Apparently, you're close-minded in a negative way because you're not even taking in consideration other peoples' opinions. The other party may bring up points, where you do want to change your mind for your own good. If you'd stop being so hard-headed, so many people wouldn't be so damn annoyed by you.
 
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QUOTE(headphones @ Jul 12 2005, 8:08 AM)
Second of all, the Civil War was completely about slavery. The south receded because Abraham Lincoln was elected and they knew he was an abolishonist. They wanted slavery to stay in tact. What in it was about money at all? huh.gif
... Sorry to burst your bubble, Sammi, but Lincoln led the Union into the Civil War against the Confederacy to "preserve the Union," and as sikdragon said, slavery was just a footnote. After all, as far as I can recall from my AP US class, Lincoln didn't say anything about ending slavery in the North. You'll learn about it when you take US History in high school.
 
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QUOTE(Azarel @ Jul 12 2005, 8:04 PM)
... Sorry to burst your bubble, Sammi, but Lincoln led the Union into the Civil War against the Confederacy to "preserve the Union," and as sikdragon said, slavery was just a footnote. After all, as far as I can recall from my AP US class, Lincoln didn't say anything about ending slavery in the North. You'll learn about it when you take US History in high school.
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QUOTE(AkaRyux @ Jul 12 2005, 8:36 PM)
I already burst her bubble. Why doesn't anyone pay attention to my posts?  _dry.gif
I saw it, but who wants to read through four long paragraphs that the poster didn't even write? A few sentences sufficed in place of what you posted.
 
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Eh, I'm white. I grew up with black kids. To me its just another word. Before I knew about racism everyone around me used that word. I didn't use it then because my lovely redneck father wanted me to say it and I knew it wouldn't be in a neutral way. I don't use it often unless its privately among friends who don't mind. I'd use it publicly, but too many people want to jump my case because of my skin color. I figure if you don't want me to use that word around you because you find it offensive no matter who is saying it, then I'll respect that. But don't try to tell me that JUST because I'm not black I can't say a stupid word, but you can. I believe they're calling that back-racism.
 
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QUOTE(Azarel @ Jul 12 2005, 9:40 PM)
I saw it, but who wants to read through four long paragraphs that the poster didn't even write? A few sentences sufficed in place of what you posted.
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In debate, it's better if you have solid facts. The first paragraph pretty much summed it up, but I decided to put the 4 paragraphs on there anyway. pinch.gif Whatever biggrin.gif
 
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QUOTE(DaToNeViEtBoI916 @ Jun 23 2005, 1:52 PM)
I see black people say it all the time.  But all of a sudden when a white person says "nigga", it's go time.  Wtf?
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So true! I was talking to a friend of mine the other day about this.
 
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Er, didn't he want to preserve the Union because the South seceded..due to wanting slavery? Lincoln was an abolishonist and they knew this. huh.gif If that was not the reason they seceded, what was?

If none of this is true, then y'all might wanna talk to Mr. Thomas who taught me all this..
 
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Eh slavery was a small reason, the real reason had something to do with money. Slavery is just the nice thing to talk about. Everyone likes a good sad story about struggles and risks that use the word Freedom a lot.
 

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