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the "n" bomb, nigga and nigger
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post Jun 27 2005, 11:38 AM
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I had a debate over this with my ex-boyfriend/best friend in the past. I told him how it made me feel uncomfortable with people used that word and I felt that it was only encouraging racism and ignorance. He himself never uses the word but he says he had no problem with other black folks using the word and that it was part of black culture. He said that because they're not using it in a hateful or racist manner, it isn't a problem. I couldn't comprehend why a word that was once used to insult their race would be part of their culture? It's never going to make sense to me and I guess it'll only continue to bother me since this "trend" doesn't seem like its going to die anytime soon.
 
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post Jun 27 2005, 11:44 AM
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i know that just because i'm black and i use the word "nigga" doesnt make it any better but, i use it all the time and pretty much ever black person i know does too. its just me. i've always said it. i wouldnt let no white person say it though...
 
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post Jun 30 2005, 01:27 AM
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i think the word "nigger" is a terrible word. but you know how when you say "f**k you", it doesn't have as much effect as it did 30 years ago? it's so played out. i think the more people use "nigga", it' definition will change from somthing incredibly negative to somthing eather meaningless or positive.
 
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QUOTE(ryfitaDF @ Jun 30 2005, 12:27 AM)
i think  the word "nigger" is a terrible word. but you know how when you say "f**k you", it doesn't have as much effect as it did 30 years ago? it's so played out. i think the more people use "nigga", it' definition will change from somthing incredibly negative to somthing eather meaningless or positive.
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Not positive. It'll never be positive.

Right now even, it seems meaningless, but it is an ethnic slur that brings up something that shouldn't be brought up in the first place. How about not saying it at all? That would be ideal. There's no reason to use it. It's not absolutely necessary and people insist on using it just for their own amusement. If the word were to cease to exist, this topic wouldn't exist and a lot of people wouldn't be mad about this.
 
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post Jun 30 2005, 02:21 AM
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QUOTE(AkaRyux @ Jun 30 2005, 2:03 AM)
Not positive. It'll never be positive.
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would you feel better if a gangsta came up to you and said "yo, bitch" or "yo, nigga"? i know i prefer the ladder. that's a way for it to be posative.

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Right now even, it seems meaningless, but it is an ethnic slur that brings up something that shouldn't be brought up in the first place. How about not saying it at all? That would be ideal. There's no reason to use it. It's not absolutely necessary and people insist on using it just for their own amusement. If the word were to cease to exist, this topic wouldn't exist and a lot of people wouldn't be mad about this.


but is it not the meaning of the word that causes the contreversy? the word not having that meaning would be ideal, and the word will lose the meaning the more it's being used as a word for "friend" rather than a derogitory word for "black person"
 
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post Jun 30 2005, 04:01 PM
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QUOTE(ryfitaDF @ Jun 30 2005, 1:21 AM)
would you feel better if a gangsta came up to you and said "yo, bitch" or "yo, nigga"? i know i prefer the ladder. that's a way for it to be posative.
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It's not positive. If it's meaningless, it's a neutral word. You can call someone a "name" if he's your friend, but some people are offended regardless of what the word nigger means.

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but is it not the meaning of the word that causes the contreversy? the word not having that meaning would be ideal, and the word will lose the meaning the more it's being used as a word for "friend" rather than a derogitory word for "black person"


Yes, the meaning of the word does cause controversy. Which is why this topic was created because Brandon doesn't want people saying it! I suppose it's alright if you have consent from the person you're saying it to, but is it really necessary? There are other words you can use for 'friend' and if saying nigger offends others overhearing the conversation, just say 'dog' or 'bro' or something else. The meaning and origin of the word will always be remembered even if it has changed over time and that's what upsets people. Don't use the word and there won't be debates on whether or not we should use it. It's just a word and if it offends others, drop it.
 
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black people can call anyone a nigga. to them, its their right. their privelege. they even call white people nigga's sometimes. how weird.
 
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Whatever you do, if yu chink gook jap..asian...don't call a black a nigger. I got a Sat school for that, almost got 2 day suspension cuz it's my second harassment offense.
 
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post Jul 2 2005, 09:50 PM
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QUOTE(BlOnDiEcHiCk @ Jul 1 2005, 8:34 PM)
black people can call anyone a nigga. its their right. their privelege. they even call white people nigga's sometimes. how weird.
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Why would they? It's the black people that get offended by the word. If they don't care, good for them, but it's bad overall to make it into a habit (black or not). It's a controversial word and if you use it infront of someone who's sensitive about it, they can easily get offended and wouldn't you rather avoid it all together?

Don't think it's right to use the word if you're black because no one really has the right to use a word that aggravates other people.

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EVERYONE says it where I live .. no one cares .. no one cares when a white guy says it .. no one cares when a black guy says it .. no one cares when a white guy calls a white guy it .. no one cares if ANYONE calls a black guy it ..


well, majority of everyone


A majority of everyone in your town says the word and is okay with it? Just because everyone else is doing it doesn't make it right. Just because "everyone" smokes, doesn't make it right.
 
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post Jul 3 2005, 02:37 PM
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I'm not angry, so please keep that in mind while reading this...

Due to the recent trend of people using the "n" word in such a nonchalant manner and due to my recent discontent with letting it slide, I'm making this known.

Don't use the word... at all. I don't care if you're joking, I don't care if you're serious, don't say it.

To my fellow Afro-Americans; we, as a people, have fought long and hard in this country to make it known that a) that word is an unacceptable insult and b) its a sign of blatant racism. The more and more we perpetuate such a word, the more people of other cultures will begin to use it in such a playful manner. Saying, "thats OUR word," is just as bad as saying it in a derogatory manner. Don't say it. Wonder why there's a white kid from Iowa sitting on his computer calling people, "my nigga," well, more than likely, its because you keep saying it. Or does it strike you as odd that a welloff asian kid who thinks he's a 'kangsta' uses "nigga" in his rhymes? 9 times out of 10, its because you keep saying it. Solution: don't say it.

To my humanoid brothers and sisters; you're not cool by dropping the N bomb. Furthermore, as much as you think you can say it without it being a big deal, you are offending someone. And by offense, I'm not talking about being 'rubbed the wrong way,' I'm talking about being reminded that racism still exists and by using the N word in such a glorified context, you're mocking a history of hardships. Just because you hear 50 Cent or Ludacris say it in their rhymes doesn't it make it any more acceptable. If you hear one of your black friends say it, that still doesn't give you the right to. Even if they say, "I don't care if you say it," that doesn't make it ok. Take into consideration that they're probably just as ignorant as you are. Bottom line; don't say it.

To the racists (believe me, I know they're here); Instead of threatening to take your life by going the Malcolm X route [AK-47s and Sawed Offs], I'm going to simpley and politely ask that you not use the word. If you're a close-minded racist and you can't get over the fact that times have changed and society is evolving, then keep your goddamned mouths shut. If you really feel so compelled to call someone a "nigger," do so... but do it in a group of gang members in the Traps of Atlanta.

To everyone; this isn't just an issue within the black community. Don't stand for words like chink, spic, wetback, ginny, etc. Its wrong. The more these words are used, the more racial slurs are encouraged and the more we digress as a society.

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That's the biggest issue you can come up with to debate about. If you wanted to discuss things that affect black people why dont you argue about what to do with the crips and the bloods? The crime rate? Why so many black people are in jail. AIDS. Fatherless children. Welfare. Try arguing about a real issue. A nigger is just a dark skinned person. Like saying black person. No more, no less. It's not that big a deal.

Slavery isnt that big a deal either. Every race, except rich, has undergone some sort of hardship along those lines. Black people just whine the most. Yeah that's a big label to put on a large group, how many get offended when you say the word nigger? Quite a few. I'm not belittling all that your ancestors went through. I'm just putting it back into perspective. I believe, many of you, (white people too.) have blown this way out of proportion. It's not like you were just whipped yesterday. Slavery only lasted 93 of our 229 years. Less than half our history involved the use of slaves in our young country. That isn't that long. I still dont understand why you so despise racism.. there is no race. We're all american. People are divided by political and geographical boundaries not imaginary lines. Quit dividing the nation with your color coded eyeballs and allow people to get on with their lives. Good day.

P.S. If you ask me they should make a snack food called niggers. They could have sour cream and onion, regular and cheese flavored, but no bbq niggers. It just wouldn't sound right.
 
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post Jul 3 2005, 02:56 PM
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So you can read the minds of dead people now??? WOW! Every race has words that are used to degrade them. Nigger is just the worst because you whine the most.
 
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post Jul 3 2005, 09:35 PM
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QUOTE(sikdragon @ Jul 3 2005, 1:37 PM)
That's the biggest issue you can come up with to debate about. If you wanted to discuss things that affect black people why dont you argue about what to do with the crips and the bloods? The crime rate? Why so many black people are in jail. AIDS. Fatherless children. Welfare. Try arguing about a real issue. A nigger is just a dark skinned person. Like saying black person. No more, no less.  It's not that big a deal.
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We're not saying those other problems aren't issues, Brandon's just pointing out one of them to debate about. So are you saying that it's okay to say it because it means it's a black person? It is a degrading word, deny it or not and it still hurts people whether people whine about it or not. I know what you mean about people blowing it out of proportion. It's probably the most controversial word of all ethnic slurs and why is it? Because african americans have the most traumatic history and they have had to deal with a lot of racism. Why bring it up again with this word that reminds them of their past?

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Slavery isnt that big a deal either. Every race, except rich, has undergone some sort of hardship along those lines. Black people just whine the most. Yeah that's a big label to put on a large group, how many get offended when you say the word nigger? Quite a few. I'm not belittling all that your ancestors went through. I'm just putting it back into perspective. I believe, many of you, (white people too.) have blown this way out of proportion. It's not like you were just whipped yesterday. Slavery only lasted 93 of our 229 years. Less than half our history involved the use of slaves in our young country. That isn't that long. I still dont understand why you so despise racism.. there is no race. We're all american. People are divided by political and geographical boundaries not imaginary lines. Quit dividing the nation with your color coded eyeballs and allow people to get on with their lives. Good day.


"We're all american". Um, we're not all american. Was that a typo

Yeah, so slavery's over, but if you ever took the time to really read into it, read into apartheid and all the other harships African Americans had to face, you'll think, why use the word nigger if it's so controversial? Why use the word nigger, a degrading ethnic slur?
I agree, people need to stop generalizing races and we all need to realize there's only one race. The HUMAN RACE. But prejudice will never cease to exist and using ethnic slurs is just bringing up this problem again and again.

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P.S. If you ask me they should make a snack food called niggers. They could have sour cream and onion, regular and cheese flavored, but no bbq niggers. It just wouldn't sound right.


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QUOTE(AkaRyux @ Jul 3 2005, 9:35 PM)
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We're not saying those other problems aren't issues, Brandon's just pointing out one of them to debate about. So are you saying that it's okay to say it because it means it's a black person? It is a degrading word, deny it or not and it still hurts people whether people whine about it or not. I know what you mean about people blowing it out of proportion. It's probably the most controversial word of all ethnic slurs and why is it? Because african americans have the most traumatic history and they have had to deal with a lot of racism. Why bring it up again with this word that reminds them of their past?
"We're all american". Um, we're not all american. Was that a typo

Yeah, so slavery's over, but if you ever took the time to really read into it, read into apartheid and all the other harships African Americans had to face, you'll think, why use the word nigger if it's so controversial? Why use the word nigger, a degrading ethnic slur?
I agree, people need to stop generalizing races and we all need to realize there's only one race. The HUMAN RACE. But prejudice will never cease to exist and using ethnic slurs is just bringing up this problem again and again.
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Black Americans didn't have it easy, but they're hardships were just like every other hardship of every other poor community in the history of man. Look at the jews, the irish, and the indians. They all faced hardships that far surpass all of what most of that dark period in our history could possibly dish out.

These people were sold by their own people to the spaniards. They were betrayed by themselves. Black people were inferior. They were inferior not to white men, but to rich men. Every poor person is considered inferior to a rich person. Is the word nigger degrading? No. It's uplifting. It's inspiring. Look what my ancestors lived through. Look how they survived. Look at all they went through. If it indeed is a reminder, why does it not remind one of the fact that it is over. You people act like it was some big war you all participated in. Like you still have nightmares of getting whipped. Like you still have a seperate water fountain. (That complaint kills me. Two water fountains just meant shorter lines for everyone.) By taking offense to such remarks makes you weak. Makes you look fragile. Like you're greedy for sympathy. Everyone's out to get theres and you play the pity card. That is pathetic beyond pathetic. You take the original meaning of the word and make it true. Black people in the united states are statistically lazy, stupid, poor, and a parasite to society. It's your fault that word means so much. Help yourselves overcome the opression and discrimination. Do like tupac and help your neighbors. Take a note from rich people and go to college. Educate yourselves. Change. Live the American dream rather than exploiting it. Right now, your ancestors would be ashamed of all of you. Ashamed of all of those who are addicted to crack and ashamed of those who are living clean lives, in mansions, for not helping their brothers addicted to crack.

This was directed toward american black people. I'm not saying black people are the sole problem in society either, they were the subject and I wrote about the part of society that is affected by them. If you take offense PM me, because you must have misunderstood my meaning.


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post Jul 5 2005, 12:11 PM
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^ That's true. It would've been wonderful if the word nigger had a positive connotation like how you said, but that's not the case, is it? Blacks take offense because of reasons I probably don't know considering I'm not black. Just stop saying it if they're all weak and all taking it the wrong way.

People can take any insult the "wrong" or "right". Call someone a dumb blonde and they'll get offended, but then you could say in defense, "But blondes have more fun!" It's entirely the person's choice to take offense or not, but if taking offense means they're weak, so be it.
 
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QUOTE(DaToNeViEtBoI916 @ Jun 23 2005, 1:52 PM)
I see black people say it all the time.  But all of a sudden when a white person says "nigga", it's go time.  Wtf?
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Yeah? Wtf?

Maybe it's sort of like with gay people, they get mad if you call them gay, you know, but if "their own kind" says it, they won't get mad.

I don't know.
It depends on who you're saying the words around, I guess..

I'm sure some black people don't give a f**k if you say Nigger, Nigga, Nikka, ect.
 
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Nigga is a word which evolved from the derogative term "nigger". Tupac best defined the distinction between the two.

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NIGGA
Never Ignorant Getting Goals Accomplished - TUPAC's definition

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NIGGER- a black man with a slavery chain around his neck.

NIGGA- a black man with a gold chain on his neck.
Tupac defined the word

Thats the definition im sticking with. Many words in the english language sound the same but have different meaning.

Like Bear and Bare, both are spelled differently so they take on different meanings. Thats my take on the difference between Nigga and Nigger.
 
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^now THIS nigga's got the idea.

i don't know if you know of this place, but where i live (in Pittsburgh PA) theres a place called the Hill District. A.K.A. the Kill District. it's the worst place in the city. i've never been there because i know i will get shot for being white. my best friend, Jeff, goes to the same school as kids from the hill. he gets along with them. he doesn't act all scared or anything. he will walk up to his boy, Pounds (a HUGE, black guy), and say "whutup, nigga?" and Pounds does not get mad. i've seen it. he plays basketball with them and does all sorts of trash talkin. my point is the word "nigga" is not the racist term it once was. hell, people call me nigga. am i black? no. it's clear that with it's spelled with an A it means friend. if it's with an ER, then it's time to get pissed.
 
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sikdragon...no. it is not an uplifting word whatsoever. it is used as an insult. let's go over some insults, shall we?

nigger - black people
cracker - white people
dirty jew - jewish people (not really a name, but still equally as offensive)
spic - hispanic people
faggot - gay people

that's just a crop of all the stupid insults we have in this world for a certain group of people. all of them are just as equally offensive. absolutely none of them are at all uplifting.
 
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QUOTE(headphones @ Jul 7 2005, 11:43 AM)
sikdragon...no. it is not an uplifting word whatsoever. it is used as an insult. let's go over some insults, shall we?

nigger - black people
cracker - white people
dirty jew - jewish people (not really a name, but still equally as offensive)
spic - hispanic people
faggot - gay people

that's just a crop of all the stupid insults we have in this world for a certain group of people. all of them are just as equally offensive. absolutely none of them are at all uplifting.
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Exactly. Nigger and nigga are negative words, deny it or not. If some people don't mind, good for them, but there are people who do mind. So keep ethnic slurs to your self.

If a white person goes up to a black and calls him a nigger and the black person gets offended, does that mean the white person can say "No, I called you a NIGGA, not a NIGGER." And the black guy will be like, "Oh, that's no problem then"? I don't think so.
 
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You people act like it was some big war you all participated in.


Yes, it was the Civil War.

What are your views on the Holocaust? I guess that wasn't "real" either.
 
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QUOTE(bellpepper @ Jun 24 2005, 1:16 AM)
THANK YOU for making this thread. So many people through the word around like its nothing. And I cant stand it when people use the word, no matter what color they are. Nothing good ever comes out of it.
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i just have a problem with the people who use the word too much.......no matter what color you are.......if you use the word nigga more than 3 times in one sentence.....you deserve to get shot
 
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QUOTE(sikdragon @ Jul 3 2005, 1:56 PM)
So you can read the minds of dead people now??? WOW! Every race has words that are used to degrade them. Nigger is just the worst because you whine the most.
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You condescending douchebag, lets go over a few things, shall we?

I'd like to begin by asking you a few questions;

1) What is your ethnicity?
2) Where do you live?
3) Do you even have a clue as to what goes on in our society?

I've read quite a few of your posts and they're generally biased and close-minded. And when they aren't biased and close-minded, they're obnoxious and patronizing. (How dare you muster the nerve to criticize someone's poetry because you believe there's a template for expression). I've had about enough of you and your shit. Before I bid you adieu by suggestion that you take a bath while drying your hair, I'll address this debate.

This debate isn't a matter of the n word being the worst racial slur. You've missed the point entirely. Who said it was the worst? And by 'you' what exactly is your implication?

Regarding historical hardships, I said nothing to discredit any other races. Was this topic 'the compare and contrast of the trials and tribulations of various races?' No. Its a topic addressing the n-word and why I find it to be offensive.

Thanks for being the lone opposition in the debate in an effort to keep it going (thats what you were doing, right? You aren't really that ignorant, are you?), but keep in mind that if all you know is what you read or what has been fed to you by way of the media, then you don't know shit. Spare me the history lesson.

If you're going to contribute to an argument, be sure you're actually contributing instead of making yourself look like an ignorant jackass.

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