I just read the entire thread, and hopefully I've gotten this right.

First of all, I am not Christian, I never have been, nor attempted to, simply because I think I have found something that suits me much better, something that I can believe because it makes perfect sense to me: I am a Fatist.

Secondly, sikdragon, even though I may not understand the slightest things about your religion, I still respect you for the words you've put down, if not for a religiously standpoint, one that is brave enough to see through the smog. I feel you deserve that, I can't believe that only one other person since your post has given you a form of praise for that.

Back to Fatism. I didn't get this out of a book, no one told me about it, in fact, I don't know anyone else that is one, besides myself. The idea of Fatism is one that I discovered about on my own. It is simply an analysis of what I've witnessed, a manifesto my opinions. All I did was slap a label on it, and ta-da. The only reason it is so easy for me to accept this is because it makes perfect sense to me, because it is my own deviation. If you'd like more details on it (I do admit, it seems as though I was preaching somewhat) look on in this thread:

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...topic=75499&hl=

I'll come back to this later.

This Week's Gospel: Matthew 10:26-33

Now verses 32-33:

^ what was the point of that?

it's a stupid bible verse, and one that's probably been mistranslated at that.

He's giving referrance to what i said earlier. You hate what you dont understand, just like all hate. Can anyone say they fully understand what they hate? You can say that, but can you mean it? No.

The passage roughly translates to me as 'if you don't care for me, I won't care for you.' Or more crudely, 'if you don't give a shit about me, why should I give a shit about you'.

Now, why would a parent ever say that to his/her child. I remember getting into arguments with my parents in my younger days and they never said they'd give up on me or that they'll leave me behind just because I couldn't understand our circumstances. In fact, they said they'll be there for me for whatever reason, which is one of the reasons why I am a better person today.

Sik, we do not hate what we do not understand neccessarily, we simply disbelieve it. Can anyone love what he/she disbelieve? I don't think so.


Good night.

i'm not talking about you disbelieving it fae. I'm talking about acid's blind attacks.

and for the translation, that's very rough. to me it's, "If you won't accept my help, i can't help you." Jesus is referring to the new law. How that his sacrifice can get you to his father. According to our scripture all one needs to do is claim Jesus as their life line to be pulled back into safety. Claimed not just to men, but in front of yourself and God.

I know I said good night, but darn it I was checking on stuff and kabammm you replied. Okay. Last comment for the night. Really.

Oh. Well, I wouldn't call them "blind" attacks. It depends on point of view.

I suppose you can interpret it as such, but allow me to explain how I got my translation. To do so, I will break it down. If in doing so the original meaning is lost to you, then let me know and I'll figure out another way to explain.
"Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven."
Remember how we talked about an unconditional love? Why is that God must give a condition, in the form of Jesus, for His love to be bestowed? Why must Jesus suffered for all our sins so selflessly, but demands a condition in the end? I know you're probably thinking, it's not too much to ask in turn for His sacrifice, but all I'm asking is 'why'. Why must one acknowledge Him, a condition, before being allowed to receive God's love, which is said to be unconditional? It is too contrary for me to understand.

"But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven."
Jesus died on the cross because He loved God's creation, right? If He so loved us, why is there a condition to His love? Is love meant for conditions?

Edit>> And to your translation of accepting Jesus's help.
I used to hate how my Mom would make me wear a sweater to school in the Fall, when the air is cool and breezy. She says I will catch a cold if I don't warm myself. I never listen to her but she has never a day forgot to tell me, force me, remind me to put on a sweater. I know she meant well so I don't hate the whole thing anymore, but I still don't wear a sweater just because she tells me to, and she still does it to this day.

Babies fuss when their parents put things on them, eg. beanies or socks. Though the babies fuss, the parents won't take them off, or let the child take them off, if the weather is cold.

Do you know what I mean?

This post has been edited by uninspiredfae: Jun 20 2005, 11:55 PM

When you love someone the natural reaction is to want to be loved in return. Sin seperates us from God. It is a thing that he hates. It keeps us from seeing him. Instead of having us earn our way past our sin by trying to overcome it, he sent us a carwash to was away the dirt and mud of sin. Unless you go to the carwash you cant get your car cleaned. This metaphor requires the metaphorical fact that you have no hose or ability to wash your car. Imagine that your boyfriend started out as one person. He was the most wonderful guy you ever met. You love him. Imagine that this same guy started doing drugs. Let's say he got addicted to crack or heroin. You get knocked into second or third place on his priority list. He gets high and you can't talk to him. He's always jonesing and sells you your vcr for money. He gets irrate and even violent if he doesnt get his fix. How can you keep your relationship healthy? You see he has a problem, he doesnt. Jesus is like Rehab. Hope that answers your question.

a note on the blind attacks, how can you understand fully something you've never experienced?

i really hope you weren't suggesting that justin has a boyfriend

btw, before there was such a thing as christianity, where did peoples' souls go to? and what about animals that aren't humans? do they have souls? i mean, the other animals were here before us..

just some things i've been wondering.

before christianity there was judaism before religion there were leaders of the tribe who filtered God's word through the world. They started as elders and it slowly became legend. This would explain why so much of the world has many of the same princables. I don't really know. That would be my guess. Humans were here at creation, be it 144 hours after the beginning of it or 6000 years into it they didn't evolve from a lesser specie. You can't apply unaccepted philosophy to christian doctrine and expect them to coincide. Maybe i misunderstood you. Animals have no soul. They don't have personality, they have learned reactions to their instinct, but they aren't human. neandrathals*SP?* were human.

uninspiredfae is a guy??? wow. i had no idea. seriously.

haha i thought justin posted above you. nevermind. hahahahhaa. i'll edit this in a second.....whooooops.

but..if god was here forever..why didn't earlier humans and other animals identify god and worship him?

what haven't i experienced?

in case you didn't know, i used to go to a christian private school. guess that's why i'm 'the antichrist'.

Going to church or christian school doesnt make you a christian.

no, it lets me understand christianity.

but it makes you experience it, something you said he hadn't.

no it doesnt. You cant fully understand something you've never experienced. He hasn't.

what haven't i experienced?

God.

how do you experience god, exactly?

btw, i thought we were talking about the bible, not god...

the bible is God's word. The bible is how to reach God. The whole point of the bible is to experience God. You ask for God and he will appear before you. When i say ask, i mean ask in honesty, not just with your lips.

*sigh*

I'm a strong christian, and some of the replies to this make me sad lol. And stop it with your Aethiesm people. My definition of Aethiesm is Some know-it-all teenager who pretends to hate religion, but celebrates Christmas because s/he is a greedy hypocrite.

Not a good witness buddy. Jesus never said tear down the other religions. He said to love your neighbor.

But you are supposed to point out the obvious wrongs, and the kids who cash in on Jesus's Birthday are obviously wrong...

You don't help anyone by forcing your hand.

I didn't force anything.