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Harry Potter? From Satan?!?, Harry Potter is it moral?
sadolakced acid
post Jun 15 2005, 10:07 PM
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it's not just that.

if you didn't notice, harry and his pals consistantly undermine authority and ignore rules. he also doesn't respect his aunt and uncle, when they feed and clothe him. he exhibits morals that are non-christian and he promotes disrespect to authority.
 
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post Jun 15 2005, 11:53 PM
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Well since Harry Potter is considered a wizard, then that would imply that all witched and wizards would come from Satan. Meaning that they would worship Satan, thus calling themselves Satanists(correct me if I am wrong, please).
However, in this modern day, there still are witches and such, but aren't considering themselves as one, they are considered as Wiccan. And through the connection above, it would also imply that Wiccan is Satanism, which is entirely not. So through the theory I worked through, I really don't think Harry Potter came from Satan.

But if you are talking if it is immoral, then yes, some people might think of it as immoral. It probably goes against their religion, thus making it immoral and unright.
 
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post Jun 16 2005, 11:30 AM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 15 2005, 9:07 PM)
it's not just that.

if you didn't notice, harry and his pals consistantly undermine authority and ignore rules.  he also doesn't respect his aunt and uncle, when they feed and clothe him.  he exhibits morals that are non-christian and he promotes disrespect to authority.
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Ahaha.. Good point.. But being immoral has nothing to do with being Christian or not. People do things that are just part of their personality. If being Christian means you have to be perfect and not be yourself just for the sake of "good, righteous (sp?) behavior", than doesn't that suck indivuality out of life? Harry, as an individual, wanted to do the things he did and that's what makes him the character he is. Whether it's immoral or not shouldn't decide if he's a "Satanist". Being non-Christian isn't being Satanist.

The whole mood of the book is "magical". Someone who can preform magic, lift up objects, repair broken glasses. Is this more dark and Satanic or light-hearted and friendly? JK Rowling might've wanted to make this to prove Christians that witches and wizards aren't always following Satan, that they're nice. If this was such an issue, why not ban Halloween?
 
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post Jun 16 2005, 01:20 PM
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It's just fiction, a story that JK Rowling made up. Most disney fairytales have some kind of supernatural thing going on. If Harry Potter is promoting witchcraft, then is Charmed, the TV show, satanic because they do witchcraft?
 
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post Jun 16 2005, 01:25 PM
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Hey, I like Harry Potter and all, but I don't think it's like evil. I read all the books (I gave up on the 5th one actually), and I like them. The only bad part is the keep getting longer and longer (the 5th one is over a thousand pages! Come one people!).
 
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post Jun 16 2005, 02:06 PM
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I could care less. Harry Potter is for entertainment purposes, nothing more, nothing less. Is it so hard to distribute between fantasy and reality?
 
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post Jun 16 2005, 02:50 PM
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QUOTE(lil_cheer_chick @ Jun 16 2005, 2:25 PM)
Hey, I like Harry Potter and all, but I don't think it's like evil. I read all the books (I gave up on the 5th one actually), and I like them. The only bad part is the keep getting longer and longer (the 5th one is over a thousand pages! Come one people!).
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actually, its 800 some pages, and like I said, I'm not against it!
 
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post Jun 16 2005, 03:05 PM
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ha. whenever i heard that people thought that harry potter was santanic...i literally laughed out loud! i thought it was ridiculous. no...harry potter is just for fun and for kids...MOST kids love magic so, of course, they are going to read it. there is nothing wrong harry potter.
 
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post Jun 16 2005, 05:34 PM
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QUOTE(TaintedDesires @ Jun 16 2005, 12:20 PM)
It's just fiction, a story that JK Rowling made up. Most disney fairytales have some kind of supernatural thing going on. If Harry Potter is promoting witchcraft, then is Charmed, the TV show, satanic because they do witchcraft?
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And Sabrina the Teenaged Witch? Kiki's Delivery Service? And everything else that has something to do with magic? I think this is total bogus to give you the truth.

And you should probably change the size of your sig, Tainted.
 
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post Jun 16 2005, 07:32 PM
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She still ripped of Star Wars.
 
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post Jun 18 2005, 12:27 AM
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Someone asked about LOTR up there, supposably it has some Christian values in it.

How could someone grow up not watching Disney movies? Wow... that would be so weird! What would you watch? Little House on the Prairie....
 
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post Jun 18 2005, 05:43 AM
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The ignorance does not lie in the anti-harry potterists, but with the little retards that go out and try that crap. You don't have to be a Christian to understand the dangers of familiar spirits. Even psychics and mediums who have by the church been proclaimed heretics acknowledge the danger of going into any sort of relation with familiar spirits. That's all witch craft is. They try and butter it up by saying it's the worship of mother earth which seems all well and good, but really it's self worship and an indirect worship of the devil. I say indirect for those who think they practice "white magic" or claim to be "wikkens". They speak or communicate through rituals and incantations to spirits that claim to be the good guys only to draw them in further. It's sad that things have to get that far. It's a fictional book that i quite enjoyed. Ignorance is the most dangerous WMD.
 
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post Jun 18 2005, 04:11 PM
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^ i think it's ironic that you say how ignorance is so bad, yet you seem to be and always have been quite ignorant.

perhaps you should know a bit about w-i-c-c-a-n-s (yes, that's how it's spelled) before you go spouting off what they do and who/what they worship.
 
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post Jun 18 2005, 08:50 PM
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i seriously bet this harry being evil thing started from mothers who takes things too seriously, that & they're die-hard christians.
 
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post Jun 18 2005, 09:25 PM
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QUOTE(WickedDreamer @ Jun 18 2005, 12:27 AM)
Someone asked about LOTR up there, supposably it has some Christian values in it.

How could someone grow up not watching Disney movies? Wow... that would be so weird! What would you watch? Little House on the Prairie....
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LOTR has been banned by a church in illnois. anyways:

there are NOT christian values in LOTRs. it was made up, like people trying to say evanescence was a christian band (christian stores even stocked thier CD).

tolkien was just trying to make a good story. that's what he said himself.


QUOTE(sikdragon @ Jun 18 2005, 5:43 AM)
The ignorance does not lie in the anti-harry potterists, but with the little retards that go out and try that crap. You don't have to be a Christian to understand the dangers of familiar spirits. Even psychics and mediums who have by the church been proclaimed heretics acknowledge the danger of going into any sort of relation with familiar spirits. That's all witch craft is. They try and butter it up by saying it's the worship of mother earth which seems all well and good, but really it's self worship and an indirect worship of the devil. I say indirect for those who think they practice "white magic" or claim to be "wikkens". They speak or communicate through rituals and incantations to spirits that claim to be the good guys only to draw them in further. It's sad that things have to get that far. It's a fictional book that i quite enjoyed. Ignorance is the most dangerous WMD.
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f**k you.
 
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post Jun 19 2005, 12:49 AM
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QUOTE(touch my monkey @ Jun 18 2005, 3:11 PM)
^ i think it's ironic that you say how ignorance is so bad, yet you seem to be and always have been quite ignorant.

perhaps you should know a bit about w-i-c-c-a-n-s (yes, that's how it's spelled) before you go spouting off what they do and who/what they worship.
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Amen! Sikdragon, you try a bit too hard to sound smart. I know that sounds like a really "ignorant" insult, but I'm only stating my opinions like I have throughout the debate forum.

There's nothing Satanic about Harry Potter. JK Rowling can just call them by different names if people are so concerned about "wiccans", "witches", and "wizards".
 
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post Jun 19 2005, 11:40 AM
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You guys..Harry potter is ENTERTAINMENT..
..It's a CHILDREN'S BOOK..

There may be some startling similarities that relate to Christianity..but there's also startling similarities that link Harry Potter to lord of the rings! So what's the big problem??

Harry Potter is for our imagination..JK Rowling is in no way urging us to go demote Christianity or something..

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post Jun 19 2005, 10:52 PM
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sikdragon, you have made me see the light.

i've been going about this all wrong.

jesus is right. therefore, i'm going to go worship the devil, dance naked int he moonlight, eat little children, boil frogs, kill innocent christians, summon familiar spirits that will haunt the earth and destroy all good.

because i am the anti-christ.

thank you.
 
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post Jun 20 2005, 11:43 PM
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I never said harry was evil. I love the books. I said the the real life things that are used to imitate harry are dangerous. My bad about the spelling. I've read about some wiccan practices, if what i've read is incomplete or wrong, i apologize. However, the source is the same for all magics, sorcery, and self-empowerment. That's fine if you consider me ignorant. Go ahead make posters and splatter them all over the city if you like. This is just my "educated" opinion. I learn as much as i can. I rely on resources of which may be flawed. I'm human. I'm passionate. I'm controversial. I seek only truth and what i posted is the truth i've found relating to the discussion at hand. If it was false truth it was not shared under my knowledge of it being false. It's funny how that even when i agree with you, you still attack my character. I'm not talking to all of you. The ones i speak of know who they are.
 
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post Jun 21 2005, 12:16 AM
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QUOTE(sikdragon @ Jun 20 2005, 11:43 PM)
I never said harry was evil. I love the books. I said the the real life things that are used to imitate harry are dangerous. My bad about the spelling. I've read about some wiccan practices, if what i've read is incomplete or wrong, i apologize. However, the source is the same for all magics, sorcery, and self-empowerment. That's fine if you consider me ignorant. Go ahead make posters and splatter them all over the city if you like. This is just my "educated" opinion. I learn as much as i can. I rely on resources of which may be flawed. I'm human. I'm passionate. I'm controversial. I seek only truth and what i posted is the truth i've found relating to the discussion at hand. If it was false truth it was not shared under my knowledge of it being false. It's funny how that even when i agree with you, you still attack my character. I'm not talking to all of you. The ones i speak of know who they are.
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ehh.

what do i do when you call all religions that aren't christianity fundamentally the worship of satan?
 
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post Jun 21 2005, 12:22 AM
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Islam isn't worshipping satan. As long as they dont worship mohammed muslims are on the right track for the most part. There is one God and he has many names. There are more that's just one example.
 
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post Jun 21 2005, 12:29 AM
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QUOTE(sikdragon @ Jun 21 2005, 12:22 AM)
Islam isn't worshipping satan. As long as they dont worship mohammed muslims are on the right track for the most part. There is one God and he has many names. There are more that's just one example.
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but you're saying pagans are fundamentally worshipping satan.

pagans, to my understanding worship all nature-spirits, and that includes the evil. ying-yang, or something like that. because if you ignore the evil, good will not be balanced.

like satan was a result of only good in the world, you know.
 
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post Jun 21 2005, 01:01 AM
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I do not believe that.

Jesus is God. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, for whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Him is God. You can know God and not know his name.

God won't hold misunderstandings against you at judgement so, neither do i.
 
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post Jun 21 2005, 11:19 AM
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well just because you don't believe it doesn't mean it's not true. people believe differently than you.
 
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post Jun 21 2005, 02:41 PM
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..i never really thought about it like that..i doubt anybody reading the book has really sat there and tried to link it to real life..it's purely for entertainment and ppl who really sit there and think about the story that intensely is just a little too weird for me...
 

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