http://www.deviantart.com/view/8818843/

This explains everything...but it's long and repetitive, so I'll outline it.

First of all, photoshop not making VECTORS are not true. True vectors are supposed to enlarge any size, and still not change any shape or form. They should not pixelize. So some people say that photoshop is a raster program, therefore the images that it makes (like vectoring in photoshop) makes it not a true vector, because it supposedly pixelizes. That, however, is invalid. I will explain why in better form from another site later.

Second of all, photoshop is still a raster program, no matter if it creates vectors or vexels. So if you enlarge something...ALL the pictures would come out pixelated, not just the vectors. If you go to Photoshop, Edit>Image Size, and instead of PIXELS, you change the percentage to let's say...800, then the results would be a larger image of a vector that is NOT pixelated.

In fact, go to Illustrator, zoom in the vector you did in PHOTOSHOP, and you will not see something pixelated.

Even in photoshop, if you save the file as .EPS, you will have an option as "Include Vector Data." If you cannot vector in photoshop, then why does it have that? It's as simple as it can be. You can vector in PS.

In Short:

http://siftw.pinnacle-elite.com/vtut/

In here, a part of it explains why photoshop does this, and why it is able to vector at the same time. It's easier to comprehend.

" Now, I will note one more thing. I called Adobe myself on this subject because I got into a heated debate with another artist. Can Photoshop produce true vectors? Well, first we need to know what vectors truly are. In a simple form, vectors are graphics that operate by mathematical equations. That is the technical definition of a vector. I am using a raster program (Photoshop), which is a program that does not use mathematical formulas to calculate an image, but rather just fills pixel data by implementation of the user (i.e. a picture). Now, since I am using a raster program, this must mean that I am not creating a vector, right? This is incorrect. Adobe Photoshop has the basic formulas to create vector paths. (That's why they are resizable to any percentage.) One also will note that fonts in many programs use point based formulas to calculate size. However, these are vector formulas, but Photoshop can not read a complex vector formula, thus vectors imported from the .AI file type must be rasterized. So, the next time you say that Photoshop can't do vectors because it doesn't use formulas, you need to rethink your hypothesis. "

The myth is finally revealed!! You can now call your photoshop creations VECTORS, people!

I'm really confused You lost me after the first paragraph. Maybe I'm just really tired

Pretty much, you know how people say vectors arent made in photoshop there called vexels? thats 100& completely untrue, if you whatch the video, youd understand perfectely, so yes you can make vectors in photoshop, not just illustrator.

What are you trying to say? :confused:

I get what you're trying to say. I guess I should read it again though to fully understand it.

x.X This makes me want Photoshop again.... And I just got over my last Photoshop crave.... Y.Y Phooey... Stupid no-pen-tool elements.

Oh. I get it now, but I'm still confused about the first part that I quoted. I found a vexel/vector I made in Photoshop, and I changed the percentage. It looked different than if I just zoomed in, but it was blurry, and still pixelated.

The second part that I quoted is true =] I've tried it because I started a vexel/vector in Photoshop, and I opened it up to finish in Illustrator, and I saw that it wasn't pixelated. Unless you rasterize the layers.

^I think it would be that same if it were still as a PSD not a jpeg?

oh gosh thats long... so photoshop can make vectors? hmm... maybe im NOT desperate for illustrator.. lol... well i still dont quite understand u... maybe ill read it insteadof skimming it next time.. lol

Oh yeah, you're right. I just tried it, and it gives me the clean-cut lines I would see in Illustrator =]

everything he said was kind of general knowledge... when zooming in on photoshop, the picture is pixelated (or "appears to be pixelated" as he says)... but when you resize the pure "shapes" by percentage, it stays "vectored"... so if you keep it in .psd/.eps/.pdd format and you don't rasterize the layers, it's still considered a vector... when it becomes a .jpg it's no longer a vector (same as illustrator files; when a vector on illustrator is saved as a .jpg, it's technically no longer a vector... refer back to this thread). the major difference between illustrator and photoshop is zooming in... so it's annoying when vectorers try to go in for the fine detail, and you see pixelized edges.

...long story short, the only reason we refer to them as vexels is to let it be known that it wasn't done on a vector based program (or at least that's why i refer to them as vexels)... we never questioned that a "true" vector can't be done on raster based programs.

All right so most of you believe that true vector art is not capable in photoshop, well it is and here's the proof.

http://www.deviantart.com/view/8818843/

I used believed that it was not at all possible since I read that silly tutorial between a vexel and vector in the tutorials section but the only differences in photoshop is that the vector appears pixilated when it's actually not.

Do not come in a here and bash me with your beliefs that it cannot be accomplished until you've watched the whole video. >_>;




Sorry if this is in the wrong place... I meant to submit in webdesign but um oops... +_+

x.X i was surprised when i saw this. -shall not spread the myth anymore-

I was just as surprised and I'm not even that experienced with vector art yet. I think the tutorial "differences between vexel & vector" in the tutorials forum should be changed to this explaination instead.

whoa...so...in photoshop...you can make vexels and vectors?

Depending on how you save it a vexel and a vector can be saved in illustrator and photoshop. A vector being an .ai file (Illustrator) and an .eps file (Photoshop) and a vexel being everything else (.jpg .gif. bmp etc).

Yeah, I remember reading about that a little bit ago..

EDIT//

Ahhh, now I remember where. :P
Here.

Wow I didn't even realize this topic was brought up before, don't I feel dumb... it didn't even come up in the search. It didn't look like it reached many people on the topic though, so maybe I'll make a mini tutorial on how to create real vector art in photoshop but what honestly confuses me is that people continue to use the word "vexel" when in the end everything eventually becomes a vexel and vectors created in photoshop are actual vectors until you save them as jpg, gif, bmp, etc and the same with Illustrator so what's up with that? Vexel isn't even a vaild word. :P

Yeah I was just about to say that , http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...topic=80752&hl=

emmaliev A_a what is up with your spammage lately? I keep noticing it more and more


using the search takes practice lol every time i type in more than one word it says i have too many, so you have to only search with ONE word and it has to be more than a certain amount of letters and blah blah

I've searched up to five words before and it was okay. It took me just about an hour one time to find this old old topic that I wanted to look back on. I think in the end I ended up finding it another way. ~_~; Well the point is, at least I tried. :P

what exactly is a vector image? i'm sorry but i'm not much of a computer expert or anything lol

moved to webdesign.

Yay thanks~

... interesting :)