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Double Standards, Men vs. Women
rOckThISshYt
post May 3 2005, 04:19 PM
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As I'm sure everyone knows, there are many double standards when it comes to men and women. _dry.gif The most obvious and known one is:

Girl sleeps around=slut/smut/whore/hoe/hoebag (AND SO MUCH MORE! pinch.gif )
Guy sleeps around=pimp/player/playa/stud/"true" man/etc...

Now, that's just cruel. mad.gif I don't even think men should sleep around. But there are many more double standards than that, too. I mean, there are some unfair ones when it comes to men, too.

Girls can hit guys all they want but a guy can never hit a girl. Not only is it not be fair for them to defend themselves (which it should be), it implies taht woman are infirior, less capable, and weaker. hammer.gif Honestly, a lot of them time we are. But that's just natural because men have hormones that make them build muscle much easier than us chicas. Now, I'm not saying that if we go full force at men they should pound this sh!t out of us. But I do think they should be aloud to maybe slap us back. Not hard. But it's only fair. (Not in a relationship, though, because it's known that the woman have more power. wink.gif tongue.gif )


I was just wondering what you thought of these double standards. Also, if you can think of any more, post them. And we can reply our thoughts about those, too. whistling.gif Just... er.... yeah. reply. biggrin.gif
 
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post May 3 2005, 09:58 PM
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Hey Um I kinda agree with you because me and my "girl"friends are alwayspicked last in P.E. at school but in other times like when we're playing at lunch or something then i'm usually picked like first because alot of the time my best guy friend is a catian. Well it would be better for all girls and guys i guess if every one was treated equally likewe were supossed to be. Even my friends up by my house treat me like a girly girl even thought i act more like a guy than anything else.......
 
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post May 4 2005, 12:40 PM
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Ok, slow down, lock up the ABS and pull up the e-brake because now, you're opening this debate up to be a topic of man-bashing.

I don't believe in the double standard. If a girl's a whore, so is the guy. If a guy can "praised" for his 'trophies' so can women. Conversely, I think that this is wrong and it devalues you as a person.

Eliminate the double standard. Eliminate careless sexual encounters. Eliminate stupidity.
 
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post May 4 2005, 02:35 PM
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QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ May 4 2005, 1:40 PM)
Ok, slow down, lock up the ABS and pull up the e-brake because now, you're opening this debate up to be a topic of man-bashing.

I don't believe in the double standard. If a girl's a whore, so is the guy. If a guy can "praised" for his 'trophies' so can women. Conversely, I think that this is wrong and it devalues you as a person.

Eliminate the double standard. Eliminate careless sexual encounters. Eliminate stupidity.
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No, I actually did not open up a debate for man bashing. I added a part about how there are doube standards for men, too. So it's not just about how crappy men are or anything. rolleyes.gif
 
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post May 4 2005, 04:10 PM
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Yeah, I agree with you very much, rOckThISshYt. My school's PE barely allows the girls to exercise. The guys go outside and have a good workout (pushups, jumping jacks, military-like exercises) and the girls inside playing an easier version of kickball using a deflated volley ball. They don't expect anything from us even though the top runner in the whole sixth grade is a girl. I hate it when someone tells me, "You throw good... For a girl," or something like that. I'm sick and tired of being treated as an inferior and I agree that I hate the rule that guys can't hit girls, but girls can hit guys. It's like people made up these strange, unfair rules of propriety to console the girls about being the lesser gender.
 
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post May 4 2005, 04:18 PM
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its because you let people call you hoes bitches sluts etc... why dont you try using those words less. Dont lie i know you have thought of calling another chick a slut. you girls (not all of you) disrespect each other by playing games and saying rumors. Guys dont care about that stuff they dont spread rumors. but girls dont build enough respect for one another. thats why they make it ok for men to call them whores or sluts blah blah blah.

next time think about what your doing. cause for a a fact some girls turn really mad and angry and call each other names then it lets other people call them names also.
 
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post May 4 2005, 05:25 PM
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i do feel bad when a girl or someoene kicks a guy in their croutch (sp?) and all they can do is cry in pain and they cant hit the girls back.
 
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post May 5 2005, 12:23 AM
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QUOTE(ROARxD @ May 4 2005, 6:25 PM)
i do feel bad when a girl or someoene kicks a guy in their croutch (sp?) and all they can do is cry in pain and they cant hit the girls back.
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Why can't they? They have ever right to, I believe. And this is coming from a girl. As long as the girl doens't have a valid reason to kick a guy in the balls, he should hit her back. Not like beat her up, but defend himself in the least.

The whole rule about how guys aren't suposed to hit girl is in a way a double-standard on our part. _dry.gif Would you like to know why?

This rule was created because it was believed that women were less capable, infirior, weaker, less independant, etc. than men. That list could go on forever. So why not hit the girl back? If she messes with him, he has the right to defend himself. Hell, I've gotten into fights with guys on more than one occasion. whistling.gif And I would like it to be known that I have never lost a fight. showoff.gif tongue.gif
 
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post May 5 2005, 09:34 AM
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I agree with pandamonium, i really think that girls set these double standards for themselves, buy using them against each other.

As for the whole guy being allowed to hit a girl back...(by the way if you don't know females ARE physically weaker, it is in our nature if you want to believe it or not) So it is respectful for the the physically stronger not to hit the weaker, thats not really a double standard....like an older sibling shouldn't pick on a younger one, it's just common courtesy......of course self defense is okay for anyone to use......but how about nobody hits each other at all! rolleyes.gif
 
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post May 5 2005, 09:40 AM
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this topic is becoming like this one:
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...hl=battle+sexes

My response is in that thread.
 
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post May 5 2005, 06:20 PM
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Its a shame that double standards exist, but, nonetheless, they do.

Think about all the guys that feel thereatened by the fact that a woman makes more money than they do. Or the women that are physically superior then they. Its the evolution of gender in today's social climate. Things are coming full circle. Ladys is pimps too.

And its all thanks to that damn Sex and the City! laugh.gif
 
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post May 5 2005, 09:08 PM
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QUOTE(XoJennaoX @ May 5 2005, 10:34 AM)
I agree with pandamonium, i really think that girls set these double standards for themselves, buy using them against each other.

As for the whole guy being allowed to hit a girl back...(by the way if you don't know females ARE physically weaker, it is in our nature if you want to believe it or not) So it is respectful for the the physically stronger not to hit the weaker, thats not really a double standard....like an older sibling shouldn't pick on a younger one, it's just common courtesy......of course self defense is okay for anyone to use......but how about nobody hits each other at all!  rolleyes.gif
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How do girls set double standards for themselves? huh.gif Give me an example, please because I really don't understand what you mean.

Obviously most guys are stronger than girls because guys have hormones that allow them to get stronger faster. But that doesn't mean that they are all weaker than the guys. I've never lost a fight. Including against men. And I've gotten some guys fired up that wouldn't mind hitting me with full force. And they did. But I still got them.
 
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QUOTE(rOckThISshYt @ May 5 2005, 9:08 PM)
How do girls set double standards for themselves? huh.gif Give me an example, please because I really don't understand what you mean.

Pandamonium said it above...girls call each other these names like hoe, bitch, slut, etc. If they don't want to be called names themselves, then girls need to stop using them against each other, and start to build respect for one another. When girls do not respect other girls in the same manner, how would that influence men to treat them any better?
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Obviously most guys are stronger than girls because guys have hormones that allow them to get stronger faster. But that doesn't mean that they are all weaker than the guys. I've never lost a fight. Including against men. And I've gotten some guys fired up that wouldn't mind hitting me with full force. And they did. But I still got them.

Your situation is just one out of many, i have seen body builder women that could kick the shyt out of most men, but that does not mean most women are capable.
 
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post May 6 2005, 02:55 PM
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QUOTE(XoJennaoX @ May 6 2005, 1:43 PM)
Pandamonium said it above...girls call each other these names like hoe, bitch, slut, etc. If they don't want to be called names themselves, then girls need to stop using them against each other, and start to build respect for one another. When girls do not respect other girls in the same manner, how would that influence men to treat them any better?

Your situation is just one out of many, i have seen body builder women that could kick the shyt out of most men, but that does not mean most women are capable.
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Yes, girls do call each other hoes and sluts and what not. But some of them actually deserve it. pinch.gif But, the thing is, almost all guys are hoeish... The ones that can be anyway. They think they can sleep around with whoever they want and be a pimp but when they call girls whores. I just think that's wrong how guys are considered pimps when a girl is equivilently called a hoe.
 
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post May 6 2005, 03:03 PM
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QUOTE(pandamonium @ May 4 2005, 5:18 PM)
its because you let people call you hoes bitches sluts etc... why dont you try using those words less. Dont lie i know you have thought of calling another chick a slut. you girls (not all of you) disrespect each other by playing games and saying rumors. Guys dont care about that stuff they dont spread rumors. but girls dont build enough respect for one another. thats why they make it ok for men to call them whores or sluts blah blah blah.

next time think about what your doing. cause for a a fact some girls turn really mad and angry and call each other names then it lets other people call them names also.
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I have called chicks sluts many times. But they deserve it. It's coming from the perspective of someone that's not a slut. But when a guy that sleeps around and calls girls sluts is the problem. I don't think there's anything wrong with calling someone a slut if they truely are one. I mean, you don't just walk up to them and call them a slut but if you're arguing with someone and they're talking shit, you say it back.

But about the guys nost spreading rumors is serious crap. I had this guy I was dating spread crap about us. I was at his house and no one was home and his friends came over while I was there and so he had proof that I was over his house. He told a bunch of people that we had sex and I gave him head. I know that didn't happen. Nothing over kissing and grinding to Usher happened between us. stubborn.gif So yeah.. They do spread shit.


I'm just saying it's bad when a slut calls another slut a hoe or something and trying to be offensive because all it is is them being hypocrital and I hate hypocrits. But girls can be the same way with guys, too. I'm not saying that. But it is a fact that guys have a tendancy to call girls whores when they get off sexing everyone with a nice ass that comes their way.
 
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post May 6 2005, 03:53 PM
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Lets not forget the gay guys out there that walk around speaking and acting is if they were a female and freely calling girls 'bitches, whores and sluts.' And do the girls do anything about it? More of than not; nothing is done at all. Thats a double standard within itself.
 
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QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ May 6 2005, 4:53 PM)
Lets not forget the gay guys out there that walk around speaking and acting is if they were a female and freely calling girls 'bitches, whores and sluts.' And do the girls do anything about it? More of than not; nothing is done at all. Thats a double standard within itself.
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What does homosexuality have anything to do with this? huh.gif I know plenty of gay guys and I can't remember the last time I heard the word "slut" or anything else like it come out of their mouths.

But thank you! You have just made me think of another double standard! biggrin.gif


In today's society, to many people (especially men) it is GREAT or at least okay for a girl to be a lesbian or bisexual. For a guy.. it's totaly off-limits. When was the last time you heard of a chick getting beaten the crap out of for being homo/bisexual? I can't think of the last time. You hear it about gay men all the time.


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New Details Emerge in Matthew Shepard Murder
Killers Talk About Crime That Shocked the Nation
Dec. 1, 2004 - Six years ago, on a cold October night on the outskirts of Laramie, Wyo., 21-year-old gay college student Matthew Shepard was brutally beaten, tied to a fence and left for dead. He was found 18 hours later and rushed to the hospital, where he lingered on the edge of death for nearly five days before succumbing to his injuries.

The story garnered national attention when the attack was characterized as a hate crime. But Shepard's killers, in their first interview since their convictions, tell "20/20's" Elizabeth Vargas that money and drugs motivated their actions that night, not hatred of gays.

While Shepard lay unconscious in a hospital, the national press quickly arrived in Laramie. Cal Rerucha, who prosecuted the case, told Vargas the media descended on Laramie "like locusts."

"We knew in the newsroom the day it happened, this is going to be a huge story, this is going to attract international interest," said Jason Marsden of "The Casper Star-Tribune."

"I remember one of my fellow reporters saying, 'this kid is going to be the new poster child for gay rights," he added. News of Shepard's death sparked reaction overseas and demonstrations across America.

"I think a lot of gay people, when they first heard of that horrifying event, felt sort of punched in the stomach. I mean it kind of encapsulated all our fears of being victimized," said writer Andrew Sullivan, a prominent gay rights advocate.

But as the push for gay rights found new force, so did a corresponding backlash from anti-gay opponents who came from out of state to grab a piece of the media spotlight.

Tensions were so high that Shepard's father wore a bulletproof vest under his suit when he spoke at his son's funeral service.

"The saddest part of this whole case was at Matthew's funeral, when they, these people, refused to let Matthew be buried with dignity," said Rerucha. "I never saw people that could hate so much."


Killers Both Receive Two Consecutive Life Sentences
Local residents Aaron McKinney and Russell Henderson, both 21 at the time, were charged with Shepard's murder. Henderson's case came before the court first. To avoid the possibility of receiving the death penalty, he pleaded guilty to murder and kidnapping and received two consecutive life terms in prison.
McKinney's case went to trial a year after Shepard's death. He was convicted of felony murder, aggravated robbery and kidnapping. Before the jury was about to decide his sentence, he, too, reached a deal that allowed him to avoid a possible death penalty. Both men are serving double life sentences in prison.

Authorities asked "20/20" not to disclose the prison location.

-ABCNews.com


I don't know how many people heard about that, but it was a huge case for a long time. Hate crime against gay men. There aren't too many crimes against female lesbians or bisexuals.
 
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You missed that completely. A double standard for men and women is how each gender perceives and handles disrespect. A straight male calls a girl a "bitch" and anyone with half a brain knows that he needs to get popped in the mouth. But yet, an overly feminine and flamboyant gay guy will say the same thing and its no big deal. Then you have girls that jovially call each other bitches and sluts likes its not a big deal.

I think homosexuality is gross but I don't say that to slight someone who is. The thought of being near another guy in such an intimate manner really bothers me. Am I a homophobe? Not at all. My uncle's gay and one of my closest friends are. I'm not obsessed with lesbians and I'm not pressuring my girlfriend to go bi, but there is a certain sensuality and a level of eroticism with two girls kissing (like in your sig) that straight couples rarely obtain.

So many double standards to tackle, so little time.
 
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QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ May 9 2005, 12:46 AM)
You missed that completely. A double standard for men and women is how each gender perceives and handles disrespect. A straight male calls a girl a "bitch" and anyone with half a brain knows that he needs to get popped in the mouth. But yet, an overly feminine and flamboyant gay guy will say the same thing and its no big deal. Then you have girls that jovially call each other bitches and sluts likes its not a big deal.

I think homosexuality is gross but I don't say that to slight someone who is. The thought of being near another guy in such an intimate manner really bothers me. Am I a homophobe? Not at all. My uncle's gay and one of my closest friends are. I'm not obsessed with lesbians and I'm not pressuring my girlfriend to go bi, but there is a certain sensuality and a level of eroticism with two girls kissing (like in your sig) that straight couples rarely obtain.

So many double standards to tackle, so little time.
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*shrugs* I don't have a problem with that. I just don't like it when gay guys getting pounded and then the guy who pounds them turns around and jacks off to his girlfriend and some whore screwing. It just pisses me off. _dry.gif
 
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well, there ARE the guys who're called man-whores.

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Then you have girls that jovially call each other bitches and sluts likes its not a big deal.

this i agree with. because that's what i do.

i think in my school, we're much more liberal. girls are highly encouraged to play in sports. guys dont care so much about hitting girls especially after a girl's hit them. you know why they don't hit back after getting hit in the crotch? because they're in so much pain that they can't. it's kinda like if someone punches you really really hard in the boob.

why girls set double standards for themselves? its easy, because a lot of girls believe that guys shouldnt hit them, that girls should be treated nicer. that we shouldnt be called names like "slut, hoe, bitch, whatever." well, maybe they actually DESERVED to be called that. and who the hell said that you couldnt call a guy a manwhore or a bastard. just because you dont call them that doesn't mean that you cant.

when peple insult others, there's always at least a hint of truth in it. i'm sorry if you're such a femnazi and believe that women should be the dominating gender of the world, and seriously, why do you care if there's that unspoken rule "guys cant hit girls." i mean, its better, cuz you have greater chances for hitting guys.
 
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QUOTE(x__forever @ May 9 2005, 9:05 AM)
well, there ARE the guys who're called man-whores.
this i agree with.  because that's what i do.

i think in my school, we're much more liberal.  girls are highly encouraged to play in sports.  guys dont care so much about hitting girls especially after a girl's hit them.  you know why they don't hit back after getting hit in the crotch?  because they're in so much pain that they can't.  it's kinda like if someone punches you really really hard in the boob.

why girls set double standards for themselves?  its easy, because a lot of girls believe that guys shouldnt hit them, that girls should be treated nicer.  that we shouldnt be called names like "slut, hoe, bitch, whatever."  well, maybe they actually DESERVED to be called that.  and who the hell said that you couldnt call a guy a manwhore or a bastard.  just because you dont call them that doesn't mean that you cant.

when peple insult others, there's always at least a hint of truth in it.  i'm sorry if you're such a femnazi and believe that women should be the dominating gender of the world, and seriously, why do you care if there's that unspoken rule "guys cant hit girls."  i mean, its better, cuz you have greater chances for hitting guys.
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Haha. I didn't think about the pain part of it.

I know some girls do deserved to be called sluts. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that guys can get away with a hell of a lot more when it comes to sleeping with girls and other things. When a girl sleeps with many guys (which I'm not promoting and I do not do) they're called a whore. Or maybe even one guy. But when a guy sleeps with many girls, few people will call him a man-whore. Trust me.. I've experienced some of it.
 
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The guys who can't come to terms with homosexuality among males are locked in the closet.
 
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well, considering i haven't really heard a guy call someone i'd consider a slut a slut if they did the same thing.....i don't see how that's a double standard. guys call eachother pimps and stuff, but the ones who call themselves that call the slut "hot".
 
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QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ May 9 2005, 5:06 PM)
The guys who can't come to terms with homosexuality among males are locked in the closet.
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Well, yeah. That's why people (especially the bisexuals and homosexuals) call people who haven't come out yet, "closet cases." ermm.gif
 

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