My opinion on the confederate flag is all over the place actually. i think that it the ways it is used can be racist. it started off as a symbol of pride and finished off as a symbol of haterd. many people have twisted the flag and its view to make it as a symbol of haterd not only against blacks, but jews, hispanics, catholics, and anyone who was not like them. Personally i do not think that there should have been a confederate flag in the first place because as the so called United States we shouldn't have ever divided ourselves.

Ok when i say it has turned out to now be a symbol of racism i mean that when the flag first came about it was all about southern pride and heritage and what not. but after the civil war when the KKK was created they used the flag as a symbol of haterd of minorities and when in the 50s when all the hate groups were becoming even more fired up against blacks they waved around that flag at all their meetings when they were saying i hate blacks, jews, and everybody who isn't me. some people now still see it as only a symbol of heritage, but you have to put yourself in a minorties body and see what we see when every time you see the flag it is always associated with somethingd bad as racism, what more can you think.

I don't think anyone said the war was just about slavery. It was about states rights and slavery because the question of states rights arose because of slavery. The thing is now the flag is associated with all the hate groups. They don't have the right to use it but it doesn't change the fact that they do use it. When everything is all done and said with all people will remember is that neo-nazi, kkk, and other hate groups used that flag.
I say i don't like to see the flag because all i see is hate.

I haven't been taught to only see hate. I actually used to believe that is wasn't racist, when everyone said it was. The thing is that when i started researching things like the Civil war and other things I realized the intentions of it weren't meant to be racist but it is now and there is nothing to change that.

Ya'll keep saying it wasn't over slavery. The reason the states succeeded to union wqas because of slavery. The issue of states right to govern and allow to have slaves is what caused the split. If there wasn't the issue of slavery i can bet there wouldn't have been a civil war.
How can a flag hold your heritage. There is no more Confederacy so you there shouldn't be the Confederate flag. How can you love a flag that represents separation?.
Like i said before you have to look from the other point of view. I've been on both sides and everytime i see that flag it is behind someone saying they agree with separation. take how you wanna, but in my eyes it is racist,

I never said the north was dead set against slavery or that northern states didn't have slaves so i don't know how that got into the agrument. Also they returned the slaves bcak because there was rewards, everybody is money hungry AND laws. Also those states that had slave in the north went with the succession with the south so then they were apart of the confederacy.
Poor people did have slaves. Most of the southerners yeah weren't rich enough to buy many slaves, but that doesn't mean that they didn't have slaves. Almost one-third of all Southern families owned slaves. In Mississippi and South Carolina it approached one half. Also the states who were near the north weren't considered nothern states they were ocnsidered borderline states. And they did not suceede to the Confederacy.
I shouldn't have said if i did, slavery was the only reason. The slavery issue however was the largest issue and the one of most concern. Other factors like politcally stemmed from slavery because before they made the 3/4 compromise, people in the North said if they are just property then they shouldn't be counted toward the voting rep in Congress, but the Southerns disagreed because the more people the more reps you could have. That was one of the issues that started the Civil War.The South also suceeded because they though Lincolin was going to free slaves even though he never advocated abolishing slavery.
But back to the flag

I meant to ask ya'll before what Confederate do you love or whatever. Because for example Georgia's flag up until 2001 was not the original Confederate flag it was a Confederate flag put up to protest the Supreme court's decision on Brown vs. Board of Education.
The flag is a representation of slavery because there wasn't a confederate flag until the succession. What i don't understand is how you say you have an alliegence to a flag of a nonexistent place. There is no more Union or Confederacy it is simply the United States of America. Yeah the Confederacy consisted of southern states but doesn't mean that it should represent the states or what not.

Since the FCC was made

if the person who displays the flag is doing it with racist intentions, it is racist. period. therefore the argument about what the south stood for our whatever does not matter much. 

The six major changes in the CSA Constitution are:

- Slavery
- Purposes of Congressional spending limited --> MUCH less corruption in the CSA Congress than the USA Congress
- Abolishing riders on bills --> We DESPERATELY need this
- Supermajority to approve spending --> We desperately need this too
- Line-item veto (I oppose this BTW)
- One-Term Limit for President

Five of the six changes have nothing to do with race... hence only 1/6 racism.

There are five slavery-related articles in the CSA Constitution. Of these, THREE DIRECTLY ATTACK THE INSTITUTION OF SLAVERY (by prohibiting the importation of new slaves, by restricting slavery in the territories, etc), one is neutral in content, and one protects the property rights of slaveholders.

In other words, even if the South DID win the Civil War, the institution of slavery itself was to meet a somewhat slower, but inevitable economic demise. At the same time, we would all enjoy liberties to a much greater extent than we do now.

If I had a time machine to go back to the Civil War, and knowing the unconstitutional future of America with a Union victory, I would unquestionably have supported the Confederacy. If the CSA Constitution were in force today, we would have a balanced budget, no horrendous abuse of civil liberties like patriot, no FDR-style mini-dictatorships, much lower taxes, less spending, and less war.

Now I know that was really controversial, but onenonlyone... I'm sure you support NOT being bigoted... so I think that to be fair, everyone should actually read the Confederate Constitution before passing judgment on what side was actually right in the Civil War. Remember that before Lincoln brought slavery to the forefront in 1863, the entire world looked at the North as a tyrannical power, and the South as an oppressed minority seeking only to be left alone.

Dude, read the previous posts..

I have read the previous posts, maybe you should read the previous posts to see where i said it before and i still stand by it, IF the displayer who displays it is doing it with racist intentions, it is racist.

Not entirely. However, 1/6 or whatever IS racist. Also, it may be considered racist by many and most individuals, because we were all brought up learning that the civil war was about slavery. Whether is was about slavery or not doesn't concern many, because it's a longstanding "understanding," while perhaps misguided, that the South fought for slavery. So according to those odds, I would say that while the flag itself may not be entirely racist, it is at least part racist, and most people consider it racist unless they are civil war scholars, so therefore many who display it do so with racist intentions, and used in that way, the flag is racist. So according to those odds, I would say that while the flag itself may not be entirely racist, it is at least part racist, and most people consider it racist unless they are civil war scholars, so therefore many who display it do so with racist intentions, and used in that way, the flag is racist.

PS: let's not call me 'dude' again

since you are using the word based. Afirmative Action is not based on race. You could say race being a factor is racist or sex being a facotr is sexiest or being disabled and so on.

Then it's also sexist, etc. Your argument is like saying Nazism was not anti-semitic cause it didnt deal only with jews

^^That is from the affirmative action debate. If you think that affirmative action is racist then so is the flag, because eventhough affirmative action does not just deal with race ya'll still say it is racist. So eventhough the flag doesn't just deal with race it doesn't mean it isn't racist.

Once again, I didn't read replies...but here's mine!
I don't think that the Confederate flag was "racist" at the time, because people didn't go around wearing it on their T-shirts.
I have a Confederate flag on a shirt of mine, but I wear it as a symbol of my heritage, not a viewpoint (that I don't possess). I'm Southern and proud.
However, the Confederate flag has been turned into a racist symbol in my situations. I don't agree with that.

The Confederate Flag is part of history... it should be regarded as that, not as something racist.

Amen on that! To those whom think it's racist...try living in Northern Idaho...though it seems to be a looong ways out from the "Deep South", you'd be seeing Confederate flags there... One of the staff in my school is a redneck (along with most of the other staff...not implying anything negative here ) and seemed to be proud to wave that Confederate flag along with the Stars and Stripes. Was he racist? Well...if he was then my stay there would've been pretty rough...but he wasn't. He was one of the staff I'd actually get along with and pretty much told me in more detail of what our ComradeRed said. It's those that take it to the level of racism and those that believe that it's a racist symbol that keeps this stereotype alive.

Re-read antix10_kos's reply and suck on it for a while, then read and respond to mine.

Hi,

I know you're trying to be cute and all,  but try to read previous posts and also provide a reason as to why you don't agree with something. You are in the debate forum after all, and the rules are clear. Thank you.

On a side note, I didn't know people sell Confederate flag T-shirts.

Don't assume that I'm trying to be cute; I find it rude, seeing as I was being serious.
Yes, people do sell T-shirts with Confederate flags on them.
I read the debate, just not every friggin reply...don't fret.