what is America seen as by u guys..?...no doubt its a great nation today, full of diversity, founder of democracy and most powerful nation on Earth...

but what about Americas past war crimes, that we have never repented for?

for example.....

dropping 2 atomic bombs on civilian Japanese cities...they specifically targeted civilian cities that were generally untouched by the war, and the second bombing on Nagasaki was intended to NOT give Japan time to react or surrender.....

the total deaths were like 200,000 people....

it was so fukking unnecessary for America to drop those bombs....but America basically used Japan as an experiment and their intent was in order to gain a foothold of power after the the war over future rivals, like the Soviet Union.......targeting civilians like that makes America equal to the crimes of Germans and Japanese....and that shit is f**ked up....

and that is the war crime of WWII which America never got punished for....maybe 9/11 was something of a wake up call for Americans to look in the past and see what America has done to other nations....im not saying America deserved 9/11 though, innocent people should NEVER die....but im just saying, think about it....

i mean....i wonder how many of Americans actually feel any guilt about the atomic bombings...?

i mean....we are all taught and schools are so focused about Pearl Harbor and Nazis crimes and the holocaust, the genocide of 6 million Jews...and to a lesser extent about the Japanese Rape of Nanking, where 300,000 Chinese civilians were slaughtered....they are clearly horrible crimes...but what about Americas massecre of 200,000 Japanese civilians in Nagasaki and Hiroshima..?...we barely learn the details over the decision to use the atomic bomb and the horror of it...how is it not even considered a crime?

now most of u who read this will not even give it a seconds thought and shrug it off immediatly....and i think THATS why the world hates and despises America....

im not anti-america or anything either....these are just my thoughts...i think America is a great country today, not perfect, but its gotten better since those times....i just trying to give u guys another perspective....my writing might come off as extreme or something, and im sorry for that but i was watching something about hiroshima, and i got to thinking about it....and then i came on CB and literally wrote this shit off the top of my head....

i can't really answer that question b/c it sounds pretty complicated.

although, it is a good idea to start a debate about this, considering a fact that there is a debate about how the U.S. should've done something different rather than dropping those atomic bombs.

i dk....maybe this should be moved to the lounge...cuz im not really trying to start a debate over the atomic bombs...that is only ONE example/...im rather, just making a statement about America and trying to maybe give people a new perspective...or something like that....

also that the general indifference in America has to stop....we got to know and be aware....

ah...i guess i made this too hard to respond too...

America is great nation full of opportunity with their priorities out of order.

You would think that in this coutnry with citizens so proud, the government would put the good of the citizens before international endeavors. But with crime waves sweeping the nation, the homeless population increasing and poor people growing poorer while the rich get richer, this certainly isn't the case.

Yes it is necessary to handle international affairs promptly and swiftly but with all of our 'democracy' citizens can still get left in the dust. It's hard to take pride in a country when you're dirt poor and living in subsidized housing. Its even harder to take pride in a country when, even after the civil rights movement, you're still discriminated against. Its as if the only citiznes that can truly enjoy taking such pride in their country is the middle class and the wealthy.

I take pride in my country. I love the United States of America. I wouldn't sell my soul to the government by joining the armed forces, but that doesn't make me any less patriotic. I just don't believe in fighting for a pointless cause (see: Iraq). My roots have ben traced as far back as Kenya, but that doesn't mean I want to high-tail it back to Africa.

This country isn't perfect, although that is the image we'd all like to portray. But just like any other living thing, we have to grow. Society must evolve into the society that it was intended to be. Still, it is better than living in diseased shacks in Africa or ducking gunfire in Haiti (Speaking of which, when will the US help them?). For someone to be born and raised in this country and speak against it; I challenge you to spend two weeks in Haiti and then tell me how horrible America is.

I end on this note; America is not perfect and is seen as somewhat of a bully on an itnernational scale but as long as progress is being made to improve the world we live in, it can only get better.

This is all I have time for right now...

We already had an argument about whether or not the bombs can be justified and whether or not it's "neccessary" is just opinion.

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...1&st=&p=&#entry

One of the things I mentioned was:
To answer this question, I asked myself: Was it really necessary for Japan to attack Pearl Harbor? Was it necessary for the Kamikazes to kill themselves and take the lives of other people?

Yea well, read the thread.

^Exactly what Fae said, gosh she is amazing.

^^

second what fae/rachel said

also, as to america glossing over it. all countries gloss over the nastier things they do... its hardly unique to america.

like in britain, we hardly learn loads about the hoare-laval pact, b/c it presents the dear nation in a negative light.

never has changed, never will

i think in those times america had such power and such science that they just wanted to scare the japanese. i think america got big headed during that time and decided its alright to kill that many innocent people.

Bollocks, that will only happen if people can't be arsed to do something. America has a lot wrong with it, starting with its culture, and ending with its politicians. BUT look at the 60s 70s etc. things HAVE got better, people are not getting assassinated by the government, GW almost got kicked out, and blacks are fast approaching to take over in terms of population supremacy. In other words, we need to boost education and not spread hate but love. I like Americans, but I have never been to America, and that is why I always stop myself from judging them.
Oh and see www.cnduk.org, and join up if you think nukes need to be abolished.

^

governments will never willingly present their own countries in a negative light. fixing the ills in society, such as segregation is one thing, as it makes the nation look better

^V. true. Although I dont think I could quote a German politician that would present the holocaust in a good light, apart from maybe Otto Schily, he really is a fuckwit.
Governments will change. I have said before and I believe adamently that a revolution will come once the American people suffer their long overdue depression. America will change, and it is rapidly improving with the increase in democratic supporters. Go lefties! I really do not understand conservatism that much, it has always been my downfall. It is too self-centred really and focuses too much on money and not an ideal future.

what is America seen as by u guys..?

when i think of america, i think of the deep split between rich and poor...

america to me is a bunch of fat white people and starbucks.

oh shit i practically forgot about this thread....lmao ill respond now....



...first of all, crazyjew, ur stupid...

and now, so uninspiredfae....ok, in a sense it was necessary for Japan to attack because it was a strategic strike on Americas Navy...eventually, America was gonna join the war anyway, so it was like a preemptive strike....and about the kamakazies...what about them? yeah, their in a WAR, so yeah they'll try to take the lives of enemies...



Germany doesnt gloss over anything...i mean, that they REALLY DONT...they teach their students the raw facts about their nations past actions in WW2....

and about ur country Britain, exactly, u said that u barely learn about Britains dirty history and crimes because it represent ur "dear nation" in bad light....

and u dont see anything wrong with that..?

eh...the way u say things makes it seem to me as if u really want it that way...

pearl harbor was not necissary.

they didn't even disable pearl harbor.

they could have bombed the vunerable dry docks. but they didn't. if they hit the drydocks, all those ships couldn't be repaired.

the two in quick succesion was nessicary to create the illusion that we had tons of the bombs and could drop them anytime, anywhere. of course, we only had two, but they didn't know that.

if one city gets bombed every two days, peace starts looking good.

plus the original plan to invade the home island was to first gas the entire island.

which would kill more innocents.

... *sigh*

Instead of gracing you with a new answer, to which you'll ignore instead of looking into it, I'm just going to quote what I already said in the thread that you were supposed to have read. Yeah?

"Why attack Pearl Harbor at all? I realize that Pearl Harbor was a strategic base and that there are benefits to its destruction...

BUT YOU CAN'T attack someone and not expect to be attacked back... What kind of childish thinking is that?

Oh I hit you, but you can't hit me back...

Sounds like something I would say to my older brother after I bruised him.

And they killed a couple of thousands of troops in Pearl and not to mention innocents casualties."


As for my comment about Kamikazes, it was simply another question of necessity, dear. Put two and two together. You said it was "so f**king unneccessary" for the US to drop the bombs, well, "it was so f**king unneccessary" for the kamikazies to kill themselves while killing the lives of soldiers and citizens who were UNPREPARED for war! Yeah? Simple? I think so.


If you'd like to argue with me on this, please, click the link I gave you and read that thread. This I sincerely ask of you because I'd love to debate, but I don't like repeating old debates. There's no challenge in that.

yes, but had hitler won, the world would never have heard about the holocaust in the way we have today. thats an exception, as it is a totally different form of government from the one which perpetrated the crimes, rather than a different regimes

and i really dont think you got what i was saying about the 'dear naton' firstly, sarcasm, i hate britain witha visceral loathing, and secondly of course it doesnt make it right, i just dont think you're particularly justified to point out the us and make it seem as if its glossing the nastier aspects of its history is a unique thing

and thirdly, hellogoodbye just came on, therefore my day has been brightened (:

I was just wondering if you go to school in Germany? If you do, I need a little clarification.

I'm a little confused about teaching raw facts to students. I mean is it detailed or just plain statements. For example, do they say "fact: we killed millions of Jews".... I mean... how much more raw can those facts get?

I thought Rome or Greece was the founder of Democracy. Right?

Yes, democracy is traced back to the times of the Greek city-states of Athens.

me 2 i cant really answer ur question.

Who, or what, are you agreeing to, and if you can't answer the question, why did you post?

no, rachel is NOT stupid. member bashing isn't tolerated on this forum, please don't do it.

are you saying it was right for japan to attack us, and not for us to attack them? we should have just let them go on?

our english class is required to read hiroshima.

Who cares if dropping those bombs was right or wrong. What's done is done and no matter how feel about, no one can go back and undo it. It was a decision made by an administration that was under a lot of pressure to do something to end the war.

I may not like what the government stands for but I'm sure as hell not lining up to go somewhere else right now. (well, there's always Canada....lol)

I think that pretty much sums up how I feel.