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post Apr 1 2005, 03:52 PM
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wait, you are very confusing.

Okay, let me start

1. Middle-eastern isn't white by the way.
2. I don't get how you get he's black from middle-eastern.
3. He was Israeli.
4. I doubt that they have many blacks there.
5. No I am not stating this stuff simply because I'm christian, I'm stating this simply because it just sounds idiotic.

Oh and speight, enough with the pagan thing, its really starting to annoy me. This is a topic about Jesus being black, not about a Pagan being really tanned and black.
 
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post Apr 1 2005, 03:58 PM
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QUOTE(JlIaTMK @ Apr 1 2005, 8:52 PM)
wait, you are very confusing.

Okay, let me start

1. Middle-eastern isn't white by the way.
2. I don't get how you get he's black from middle-eastern.
3. He was Israeli.
4. I doubt that they have many blacks there.
5. No I am not stating this stuff simply because I'm christian, I'm stating this simply because it just sounds idiotic.

Oh and speight, enough with the pagan thing, its really starting to annoy me. This is a topic about Jesus being black, not about a Pagan being really tanned and black.
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Whats wrong about a Pagan posting. Youare taking the mindframe of the people in Salem in the 1600s. Its very offensive. I go to a Christian school vecause of my parents and that there are no pagan schools! I get taught RE and thats what we got told
 
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post Apr 1 2005, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE(DaTru KataLYST @ Mar 29 2005, 12:17 AM)
Jesus was Asian.  This, you cannot dispute.
Duh. (If you can't figure it out, learn some geography)
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yeah jesus WAS asian wasn't he
 
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post Apr 1 2005, 04:08 PM
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No Israeli AKA Palestinian even i know that
 
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post Apr 1 2005, 05:50 PM
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biggrin.gif lol...have you ever seen a picture of jesus being black? lol...I dont think so.


HERE IS the full STORY... biggrin.gif

“Many people are surprised to discover that Christ was a black man, but when one looks at Christ's lineage one discovers that He has numerous Hamatic Ancestors, with Tamar, Rahab, Ruth, Naomi, Bathsheba and Jezabel being the most notable.”


There is not one place in the New Testament that describes the appearance of Jesus. The picture the world recognizes as Jesus seems to be the same image from the Shroud of Turin, however, the shroud does not show white or colored skin. Can we deduce from His genealogy if there was indeed Hamatic Ancestors?

Actually a few colored people in the genealogy does not give any indication of His skin color as many Caucasian people have at least one colored ancestor somewhere in the recent family tree. However, there may be several reasons why the New Testament doesn’t say a word about the physical appearance of Jesus. If Jesus were depicted as Caucasian or Colored, would that indicate that one is better than the other?

One must be very careful when jumping to assumptions about His appearance, especially when we consider the only physical description given in the Bible of Jesus:

Just as there were many who were appalled at Him – His appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any man and His form marred beyond human likeness….He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to Him, nothing in His appearance that we should desire Him. He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces He was despised, and we esteemed Him not. Isaiah 52:14 - 53:1-3

Many Christians become very defensive when their perception of Jesus as the perfect looking human being is shattered by the above passage. The first comment I’ve received in talking about this to other Christians is that this passage in Isaiah must refer to what Jesus looked like after being beaten by the Roman soldiers before and during the crucifixion, not before. However, one must look at Isaiah and read it carefully, no one was going to be attracted to Him by His physical attributes.

Today, as in the time of the ministry of Jesus, we come to faith not based on Jesus’ physical characteristics as the authors don’t provide us with any clues other than the great detail of His attributes when He is in a transfigured state on the mountain and a similar description in Revelation, but the authors are silent on His normal everyday appearance.

In our world so many popular modern day celebrities become adored and honored because of their physical characteristics. We only need to go to the magazine stand and look at the covers to confirm this human trait of cherishing beauty over accomplishments.

If you were to make up a religion, would the Messiah not be the most beautifully attractive person to walk the Earth? The fact that Isaiah indicates otherwise and the New Testament writers leave out any physical description adds to the facts that the Bible is a genuine book based not on human ideas and perceptions but on that of a Creator who does not force Himself on people with all the powers available to Him through creating physical attraction with the Messiah, but does it the hardest way possible, through words and actions.

Was Jesus not perfect before His death? We read that He was without sin, but that doesn’t mean that He looked perfect. In fact we read that the disciples didn’t recognize Him after He was resurrected and could in fact change His form.

After that (appearing to Mary Magdalene), He appeared in another form to two of them (disciples) as they walked and went into the country. Mark 16:12

What kind of disfigurement would Jesus have had? Job, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil (Job 1:8) has to suffer from Boils that covered his skin from top to bottom. We can only speculate on what qualities or lack of them Jesus had that would cause men to despise Him because of the way He appeared.

In reviewing the Isaiah passage and coming to terms with them I find myself questioning my own feelings on all people I meet. The saying is true “Beauty is only skin deep”.

Would I have shunned Jesus and ignored Him because of the way he looked? Have I shunned others in my life because of the way they looked? Have others done this to me? Can I change my attitude and accept people for who they are and what they can become inside and not for how they look on the outside?

Let’s learn from this and become more accepting of all people.

If Jesus decided to approach you today as he appeared back then how would you react?

Will Jesus treat you the way you treat others?
 
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post Apr 1 2005, 06:06 PM
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There's a good chance Jesus was not white.... i really wonder where that whole Tall, handsome white Jesus with sheep at his feet picture came into play lol...
it says in the bible Jesus was not a superstar, so he could have had buck teeth for all we know!
and jesus was a carpenter, not a shepard, so the sheep thing is off too...

But i agree with most, it doesn't matter what race Jesus was....
 
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post Apr 1 2005, 06:15 PM
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well, if you want to get technical...


Were all black =D
 
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post Apr 1 2005, 06:18 PM
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QUOTE(Miss[x]Tiff @ Apr 1 2005, 3:15 PM)
well, if you want to get technical...
Were all black =D
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If you care to tell us, I'd like to her the story of how we're all black. We are??? WT? blink.gif
 
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post Apr 1 2005, 06:21 PM
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nice point and all but since when are people from the middle east black?
 
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post Apr 1 2005, 06:22 PM
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QUOTE(wolverine00 @ Apr 1 2005, 6:18 PM)
If you care to tell us, I'd like to her the story of how we're all black. We are??? WT?  blink.gif
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Hee hee. just a little humor =]

Studies show humans orginated in Africa. [if you didnt fall asleep in history class youd know the oldest human bones found were in Africa.]

Anyways, people in Africa were pretty much nomads and went form place to place depending on the food and stuff like that, some went to the shades, which turned their skin light, others stayed in the sun and became even darker in color. and some even went to deserts or snowy lands and squinted so much and thats why asians eyes arent like everyone elses.
 
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post Apr 1 2005, 06:48 PM
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QUOTE(Miss[x]Tiff @ Apr 1 2005, 3:22 PM)
Hee hee. just a little humor =]

Studies show humans orginated in Africa. [if you didnt fall asleep in history class youd know the oldest human bones found were in Africa.]

Anyways, people in Africa were pretty much nomads and went form place to place depending on the food and stuff like that, some went to the shades, which turned their skin light, others stayed in the sun and became even darker in color. and some even went to deserts or snowy lands and squinted so much and thats why asians eyes arent like everyone elses.
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OH ya... I say an article about that in National Geographic.. it said they found bones from like, was 2m or 20m years old...

I never you knew thats why, ( the eye thing)...thats cool. I wonder if God ever sent Jesus before the jesus we kno of, if we lived a l O N G L O N G Time ago..hmm.. biggrin.gif
 
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post Apr 1 2005, 06:59 PM
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if your from the middle east it doesnt mean your a "black person" It's just your skin color might be a liddo dark thats all. But for me I dont care what Jesus , he can be white, asian, black, or purple. cuz it doenst matter what race he is..
 
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post Apr 1 2005, 07:12 PM
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QUOTE(wolverine00 @ Apr 1 2005, 6:48 PM)
OH ya... I say an article about that in National Geographic.. it said they found bones from like, was 2m or 20m years old...

I never you knew thats why, ( the eye thing)...thats cool. I wonder if God ever sent Jesus before the jesus we kno of, if we lived a l O N G  L O N G Time ago..hmm..  biggrin.gif
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yeah! but it was a female set of bones they named Lucy =]
 
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post Apr 1 2005, 07:37 PM
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QUOTE(wolverine00 @ Apr 1 2005, 5:50 PM)
biggrin.gif lol...have you ever seen a picture of jesus being black? lol...I dont think so.

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you. are. kidding.


right?
 
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post Apr 1 2005, 07:52 PM
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QUOTE(wolverine00 @ Apr 1 2005, 5:50 PM)
biggrin.gif lol...have you ever seen a picture of jesus being black? lol...I dont think so.


That person better be kidding. But, I can understand that have a "sheltered" mind can cause some ppl to say things that may be inappropriate.

Neways, the only reason you haven't seen Jesus as a black man is because historians either refused to accept the possibility of him being black, or it wasn't thought of at the time. But, personally, I think each race or religion chooses what skin color Jesus is. For the most part, Whites wanna believe he's white, blacks wanna believe he's black, etc. etc. But, that's where the problem lies. People become so engrossed with the fact of his skin, that they begin to argue.

Here's the real question: Does it matter? In my opinion, no. People can have a variety of opinions, but can still accept others philosiphy. Just because you don't like someone's opinion doesn't mean you can't ACCEPT it as a possibility.
 
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post Apr 1 2005, 07:57 PM
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QUOTE(wolverine00 @ Apr 1 2005, 5:50 PM)
biggrin.gif lol...have you ever seen a picture of jesus being black? lol...I dont think so.


He better be joking. I can understand that having a "sheltered" mind can lead to inappropriate messages, if you know what I mean.

Ne way, the real question is does it matter what his skin color was? No, it doesn't. All that matters is that he died for our sins (if that is what you personally believe in). Why stress over the fact that he might of been black or white or asian or hispanic? You can go ahead and seem racist like this a-hole that I quote, or you can be happy with your understanding of Jesus and accept the fact that he died for our sins, no matter what his skin color was.
 
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QUOTE(blkpride @ Apr 1 2005, 7:52 PM)
For the most part, Whites wanna believe he's white, blacks wanna believe he's black, etc. etc. But, that's where the problem lies. People become so engrossed with the fact of his skin, that they begin to argue.
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That's a very good point.
 
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post Apr 1 2005, 08:47 PM
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QUOTE(xquizit @ Apr 1 2005, 5:30 PM)
That's a very good point.
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Except for whites who wanna be black. or blacks that wanna be white.

...Is their any documentation that says if hes white or black? Also, I havent seen any Jesus movies, or "picture" things, of him being black?...so, yeah. biggrin.gif
 
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post Apr 1 2005, 08:48 PM
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lol its possible
 
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post Apr 2 2005, 05:24 AM
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QUOTE: and speight, enough with the pagan thing, its really starting to annoy me. This is a topic about Jesus being black, not about a Pagan being really tanned and black. (END QUOTE)

Yeah I would hav 2 agree. Why aren't u worshipping the computer God? Don't give me a long boring answer because it's a joke.

Anyway who cares what colour his skin was? He's Jesus, he loves us all no matter what and we should love him no matter what.
 
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QUOTE(wolverine00 @ Apr 2 2005, 2:47 AM)
Also, I havent seen any Jesus movies, or "picture" things, of him being black?...so, yeah.  biggrin.gif
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Of course you havent because that's what everyone thinks. I don't care if jesus is white or not, (im not a christian) its funny i thought race didnt matter to christians, i guess not.
 
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mad.gif excuse me?? WHY THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING BOUT JESUS ??.. I MEAN.. WHO CARES WHAT COLOUR HE IS..!!! I DNT THINK ANYONE CARES WHAT HE IS OR WHAT COLOUR HE IS.. !!! mad.gif !!! your such an idiot... dnt say stuff which your not sure... geez. ..
 
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QUOTE(wolverine00 @ Apr 1 2005, 8:47 PM)
Except for whites who wanna be black. or blacks that wanna be white.

...Is their any documentation that says if hes white or black? Also, I havent seen any Jesus movies, or "picture" things, of him being black?...so, yeah.  biggrin.gif
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Wow. Just wow.



I'm not even going to respond to this. I really hope you're below the age of 12. rolleyes.gif
 
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post Apr 3 2005, 01:06 AM
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QUOTE(Shadow_Valkyrie @ Apr 2 2005, 9:14 AM)
mad.gif excuse me?? WHY THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING BOUT JESUS ??.. I MEAN.. WHO CARES WHAT COLOUR HE IS..!!! I DNT THINK ANYONE CARES WHAT HE IS OR WHAT COLOUR HE IS.. !!! mad.gif !!! your such an idiot... dnt say stuff which your not sure... geez. ..
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THANK YOU!!! it doesn't really matter what his skin color was.

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sorry about the double posting. refresh error
 
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post Apr 3 2005, 01:11 AM
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depends what u believe in... to me there are different jesus's for every religon or people. There cannot be one jesus because the world would all just *plop* fall apart
 

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