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Any thoughts on the Schiavo case?
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post Mar 23 2005, 09:39 PM
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^have you read ANYTHING in this thread or on the case at all?

SHE IS BRAIN DEAD, cannot feel/think/move/react...she is only alive because of a machine. no miracle can save her.

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yea, i understood what she was talking about. i didnt understand much about the case until now. but cant you agree that a debate has two opinions?
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obviously, that is why it is called a debate...i still don't see your point tho. mine was that most of the people who were against were just making their opinion based on belief or reading one sentence....
 
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post Mar 24 2005, 03:59 PM
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My best friend interns at Capitol Hill, where the congressmen and women work, and I'd trust him with my life, so I'm trusting what he says. I'm changing my point of view since now I've learned that the husband only wants to let Terri go because he wants to continue his family with his girlfriend. If that is his only reason to remove the tube, then I think it should stay in, because it seems a little selfish for him to let her die because he wants to go with his girlfriend, and that's the only way he can get married to his girlfriend.
 
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post Mar 24 2005, 04:54 PM
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she's been in this state for FIFTEEN YEARS. she's not going to come out of it. she doesn't realize her tube is out and she's not being fed. she's dead. she is. only her shell of a body is left. she's no longer there. the husband has every right to want to move on. FIFTEEN YEARS she's been there..that's my lifetime. more than, even.

if you were in this situation, think seriously - you're spending money, a LOT of money, to keep your hopes up. you visit her every day, but it's not even her anymore. it's just a shell. this has been going on for fifteen years. would you seriously keep her like that forever?
 
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post Mar 24 2005, 05:03 PM
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I think the parents are just happy to see her everyday, and they don't want to see her starve to death. They get donations and I think money from the government.

I think that it is basically just her body left. If her husband's motives were more for her own good, and she had a will, then everything would be much more clear.
 
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post Mar 24 2005, 05:06 PM
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^ i think they ARE for her own good, and, for the good of others. yes, he does want to be with his girlfriend, but so would anyone. that doesn't make him a bad person. do you people seriously expect him to not ever be with anyone else for the rest of his life just because his wife had a heart attack?
 
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post Mar 24 2005, 05:10 PM
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QUOTE(touch my monkey @ Mar 24 2005, 5:06 PM)
^ i think they ARE for her own good, and, for the good of others. yes, he does want to be with his girlfriend, but so would anyone. that doesn't make him a bad person. do you people seriously expect him to not ever be with anyone else for the rest of his life just because his wife had a heart attack?
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But he wants to let Terri die to spend time with another woman. Yes, it's understandable to want to spend time with someone else after so long. I think that is his only choice, though, if we wants to be with another woman, which is pretty unfortunate. So I guess I have a moderate stance on this issue.
 
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post Mar 24 2005, 05:14 PM
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well yes, if it was like a year or two, i'd be against it but..she's been in there for fifteen years. that's longer than i've been alive. i'm sure he doesn't want her to die, necessarily, but there's no way she's coming back, and i think he just wants to be done with it and wants closure, basically.
 
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post Mar 24 2005, 05:20 PM
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personally i want her to live.. but i wouldnt want to be just laying in a bed for 15 years... ok so they decide to kill her so she doesnt have to live like that...

but ask yourself... why starving her to death... OUT OF ALL THINGS out of all the technology and science and medicines... why starve her??? there are other means of killing her.
 
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QUOTE(touch my monkey @ Mar 24 2005, 5:14 PM)
well yes, if it was like a year or two, i'd be against it but..she's been in there for fifteen years. that's longer than i've been alive. i'm sure he doesn't want her to die, necessarily, but there's no way she's coming back, and i think he just wants to be done with it and wants closure, basically.
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Yes, that's a very good point. I wish there was another way they could let her die peacefully, without having to let her parents worry whether she is starving to death or not.
 
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post Mar 24 2005, 05:25 PM
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true, i wish they would just inject her with something and kill her more quickly, so she wouldn't have to sit there starving..however, the doctors say she doesn't even realize she's starving. she doesn't have the capacity to think "oh, my stomach's growling and i'm withering away like dust..."
 
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QUOTE(touch my monkey @ Mar 24 2005, 5:25 PM)
true, i wish they would just inject her with something and kill her more quickly, so she wouldn't have to sit there starving..however, the doctors say she doesn't even realize she's starving. she doesn't have the capacity to think "oh, my stomach's growling and i'm withering away like dust..."
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very true on the starving thing...my thoughts are the whole case is very hard to wager though i have pretty mixed feeling about it.....i kinda think if they are to let her die why dont let her die quick and painlessly but i guess they are going for a more natural death
 
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post Mar 24 2005, 07:26 PM
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This may sound mean, but I won't sway from this state-

We need to let Terri Schaivo die.
The parent's are trying to let her live because she 'might get better'. The brain damage that has been done to her is in no way possible to recover from.

Don't let her husband have to go through the watching her just like that, and having to pay expenses of her. It is unfair and unjust.

I mean, people have murdered the mentally retarded back in the 1700/1800's.

This is worse than just mentally retarded.

I, personally, wouldn't want to live if I was in a vegetative state.
I will have a will written up, and if I ever do get reduced down to that, I would like to be killed.

And the way her parents fight for her, that is just the wrong hope. I know there is some, but it is just wrong.

That is the hope I hate
 
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post Mar 24 2005, 07:38 PM
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...i asked my mom, who's a doctor for old people, and she said you cannot legally inject her with something. you HAVE to let her die on her own. it's considered murder if you inject her with something. if you want her to die, starving is the only way to do it. she's basically dead though, so it's not like it's painful or she even realizes or feels anything.
 
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post Mar 24 2005, 08:13 PM
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^ yea i thought about that after i posted but blah i was too lazy to edit.
 
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QUOTE(william @ Mar 24 2005, 7:38 PM)
...i asked my mom, who's a doctor for old people, and she said you cannot legally inject her with something. you HAVE to let her die on her own. it's considered murder if you inject her with something. if you want her to die, starving is the only way to do it. she's basically dead though, so it's not like it's painful or she even realizes or feels anything.
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Hunger is quiet painful..

Around my second hour of the day, my tummy growls at me...
 
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post Mar 24 2005, 08:32 PM
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QUOTE(william @ Mar 24 2005, 7:38 PM)
...i asked my mom, who's a doctor for old people, and she said you cannot legally inject her with something. you HAVE to let her die on her own. it's considered murder if you inject her with something. if you want her to die, starving is the only way to do it. she's basically dead though, so it's not like it's painful or she even realizes or feels anything.
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so that lady on the news a little while back who was cutting the feeding tubes of all those patients why was she charged? if they die on there own then she wasnt killing them?

im not trying to prove you wrong but im just saying why did they charge the lady for murder for cutting feeding tubes when they say it isnt murder if they let her die alone.
 
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post Mar 24 2005, 08:40 PM
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It is very wrong. The husband, who gained a million dollars off of court cases, has a girlfriend and two children. Now, why should he have a say on her life. the law says that when you are married the spouse has legal care of your condition if you are injured. that's the problem... the law is the problem. why let her die when there's hope?


some q&a's from her site
If Terri hasn't recovered after all these years of therapy, why not let go?

Terri hasn't had meaningful therapy since 1991, but many credible physicians say she can benefit from it.

Why can't Terri just divorce?

Terri's husband/guardian speaks for her. She cannot divorce without his permission

Does Terri have an advanced directive or any wishes about her healthcare?

Terri never signed any directive or living will and there is no evidence that she foresaw her present situation.

Why do Terri's family fight to keep her alive? Shouldn't they let her husband decide?

Terri's husband has started another family and probably has gone on with his life. Terri's family want to provide her therapy and a safe home.

Is Terri receiving life support?

Not in the traditional sense. Terri only receives food and fluids via a simple tube.

Isn't removing her tube a natural and dignified way to die?

No. Dehydration and starvation cause horrific effects and are anything but peaceful. Read more here.
 
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that's a propoganda site.
 
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post Mar 25 2005, 10:37 AM
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QUOTE(Angel_Cece @ Mar 24 2005, 6:40 PM)
It is very wrong. The husband, who gained a million dollars off of court cases, has a girlfriend and two children. Now, why should he have a say on her life. the law says that when you are married the spouse has legal care of your condition if you are injured. that's the problem... the law is the problem. why let her die when there's hope?
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because there is NO HOPE. what dont you people understand? she has been BRAIN-f**kin-DEAD for 15 years. numerous doctors have said there is NOTHING that can bring her back. she can't feel anything, she can't talk, she can't respond...anything that her body does is just like natural or something, it is not because she can know when her family is with her. the husband wants to move on because he has finally accepted that she is gone and that it is what he needs to do.

she told him TWICE that if she was ever in any sort of vegetive state that she would want to die naturally. he is simply complying with her wishes.
 
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QUOTE(pandamonium @ Mar 24 2005, 5:32 PM)
so that lady on the news a little while back who was cutting the feeding tubes of all those patients why was she charged? if they die on there own then she wasnt killing them?

im not trying to prove you wrong but im just saying why did they charge the lady for murder for cutting feeding tubes when they say it isnt murder if they let her die alone.
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i think in this case they can let her die nautrally because her husband, who is her guardian, wants her to and has given the doctors permission to. i never heard about that, but probably some of them weren't terminally ill and i don't think the lady was any of their guardians.
 
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I think that the husband should have the final say because she was in his custody...well I don't know if that's the right word, but she wasn't in the custody of her parents. If she told him (which cannot be proven) that she didn't want to be kept on life support, then they should just trust him when he says so.
 
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QUOTE(xxcrazyjewxx @ Mar 25 2005, 10:37 AM)
because there is NO HOPE. what dont you people understand? she has been BRAIN-f**kin-DEAD for 15 years. numerous doctors have said there is NOTHING that can bring her back. she can't feel anything, she can't talk, she can't respond...anything that her body does is just like natural or something, it is not because she can know when her family is with her. the husband wants to move on because he has finally accepted that she is gone and that it is what he needs to do.

she told him TWICE that if she was ever in any sort of vegetive state that she would want to die naturally. he is simply complying with her wishes.
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there is hope!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if they just put her on the damn feeding tube! i think the mother has more say than alll of them she brought her into the friggin world
 
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post Mar 25 2005, 04:01 PM
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QUOTE(Angel_Cece @ Mar 25 2005, 1:26 PM)
there is hope!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if they just put her on the damn feeding tube! i think the mother has more say than alll of them she brought her into the friggin world
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DOCTORS ALL AGREE THAT NOTHING CAN SAVE HER! she pretty much died 15 years ago when her heart stopped beating. and too bad her mother isnt her guardian, her husband is and it is his decision.
 
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post Mar 25 2005, 04:21 PM
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QUOTE(xxcrazyjewxx @ Mar 25 2005, 4:01 PM)
DOCTORS ALL AGREE THAT NOTHING CAN SAVE HER! she pretty much died 15 years ago when her heart stopped beating. and too bad her mother isnt her guardian, her husband is and it is his decision.
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how could her heart stop beating if she is not running on life support, or any machines, but a feeding tube? HER HEART STILL BEATS, she still responds to movement, she knows that there is a balloon dangling over her, there still is hope. the husband has nothing else to do with her, he moved on already, why make decisions for her? her mother should have full responsibility for her, considering she did bring her into the world.
 
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QUOTE(ohh_so_elektrikk<3 @ Mar 25 2005, 4:21 PM)
how could her heart stop beating if she is not running on life support, or any machines, but a feeding tube? HER HEART STILL BEATS, she still responds to movement, she knows that there is a balloon dangling over her, there still is hope. the husband has nothing else to do with her, he moved on already, why make decisions for her? her mother should have full responsibility for her, considering she did bring her into the world.
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she's a vegetable she cant think, talk or anything. and i agree with you. there's hope. there are survivors! her husband is in it for the inheritance money, think about it he doesnt care. he has another family.
 

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