please show me proof that the founding fathers were influenced by the ten commandments.

you can't. because they weren't.

but please, since you insist the ten commandments were influential in the founding of this country, show me the proof .

and here; proof that the US was not a christian nation, was not intended to be a christian nation:





there are more well documented quotes from here:
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/ed_...quotations.html

Thomas jefferson, the main author of the declaration of independece, did not support christianity, and christianity did not influence him. He campaigned for the separation of church and state, in entirety.



oh, but it is relevant. If we're displaying the laws of christians, why not the laws of the antichrist?

the ten commandments are the laws of christians, muslims, and jews. They are not the laws of any others.




(bleh. i don't know if this will show up as a double post. servers are screwwy right now... i'll delete this if it comes out double. )

Very well, lets take a religious historical approach. For the sake of relevancy, lets keep out other reasons why people migrate to America.

Why did the religious feel a need to come to America? Was it not for relgious freedom? Was it not to get away from those who would persecute them for practicing their faith different from what the King or the Church decree?

There is no doubt in my mind that religious belief played a major part in the history and founding of America. But why did people come to the Americas to practice religion? Would you agree with me if I say that it was because they have more spiritual freedom?

Christianity was the smaller picture. Religious freedom was, and still is, the bigger picture. Christianity was simply the faith of those who wished for religious freedom in America. They believed in Christianity but they SOUGHT FREEDOM of RELIGIOUS PRACTICE.

So to respond to your comment, the historical impact is not Christianity, it is the finding of religious freedom. Thus, our First Amendment does NOT say that we have freedom to practice Christianity, it says we simply have religious freedom.



Does the Ten Commandments promote religous freedom and seperation of Church and State to you? If so, tell me how.



If your school puts up DARE signs, is the school not promoting anti-drugs? If super markets put up ads for $0.35/lb bananas are they not promoting the buying of bananas? If your DPS puts up a "DRUNK DRIVING KILLS" sign, are they not promoting a neg. consequence of drunk driving?

More examples:
If your neighborhood have a "neighborhood watch" sign, is your neigborhood not promoting safety, awareness, and cooperation between neighbors?

Does not "Don't Mess With Texas" not promote the stop to litering?

When the bumper sticker on your car says "Pray for our troops", does that not promote support of our army?

You get the idea.

So now, if our government decides to engrave the Ten Commandments into its facilities they ARE promoting Christianity over other religions.

oh... did moses sign the declaration of independence?

im just a simple english boy, so do correct me if he did, but i have to say that im not so sure



because this form of document , where it says you shall have no ther god bu tme, or whatever it is exaclty, alienates those who choose not to worship that god, or any god.

i would hardly like to be condemned every time i wlaked past a government establishment, would you?

That is also promoting beliving in God, but that would be a personal choice right?

I can pray to Satan, to the Sun god, or my dead ancestors. Yes, it is a personal choice to relate the word "pray" to Christianity.

i am a christian, and i support the ten commandments, but i don't think it's necessary to display the ten commandments in public. we don't display statues of buddha in public, or other symbols of religion. they could display it outside a church though; that would definitely be more appropriate.

Yes, people of the Jewish and Christian faiths aren't the only inhabitants of the country, however, if these moral guidelines were the foundation of the legal decisions made by our forefathers, then why not honor them in such a way?

On the contrary, doing so would be unfair to those that oppose Christianity. Here the options, offend someone by taking away their rights, or offend someone by not giving their religion top priority.

Mr. Acid said "please show me proof that the founding fathers were influenced by the ten commandments. you can't. because they weren't"

And I said "Christianity was the smaller picture. Religious freedom was, and still is, the bigger picture. Christianity was simply the faith of those who wished for religious freedom in America. They believed in Christianity but they SOUGHT FREEDOM of RELIGIOUS PRACTICE.

So to respond to your comment, the historical impact is not Christianity, it is the finding of religious freedom. Thus, our First Amendment does NOT say that we have freedom to practice Christianity, it says we simply have religious freedom."



So, it offends Christianity to not have their Ten Commandments put up there... what about how I, and other believers feel? Why does it matter more that Christians are offended?

You can't please everyone, but you don't have to pick favorites either.

You can't please everyone, thats the point I was getting at. Someone is going to feel as though their "rights" have been trampled on whether the commandments are displayed or not. You're offended by the commandments being posted, and most Christians are offended by them not.

I, honestly, don't care either way. Putting moral guidelines on the side of a historic building won't fix the bad in our society.

Once again, you can't please everyone, but you DO NOT have to pick favorites either. Picking favorites in this case makes the situation worse.

What reason would justify a Christian being offended by not having the Ten Commandments posted? I would like to know.

Just because one Christian is offended, doesn't mean all of us are.

Ask someone who is bothered by it.

Thus I asked for a reason that can justify a Christian's offense, make that any Christian. You said Christians would be offended and I thought you could tell me why.

^^

he cant, because it was a ludicrous thing to say. why on earth would anyone be offended because a government which proclaims itself secular chooses not to display the creed pf a particular religious faith?

no onewith an ounc eof logic would be

Thank you. I just really wanted at least one person to admit the truth of this whole charade.

god james you cannot type.

if i had it my way, the commandments would be displayed in government institutions, but this is america so obviously people are going to get pissed so it's not a possibility, but you can't stop from having it displayed in private places

If I had it my way, religion would be completely seperated from the state (j.k, only trying to prove a point). However, this is America so obviously the religious mass is going to get pissed off so it's not a possibility.

no... i cant

lol.

ive come to terms with it... now you have to too