"under God", should it be taken out?? |
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 Mar 25 2004, 07:41 PM
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The case is up before the Supreme Court. So what do you think??
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| *Podomaht* |
Mar 25 2004, 07:42 PM
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nope. you dont have to say the pledge. all you have to do is stand up. respect your country.
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Mar 25 2004, 07:44 PM
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 We are the cure. Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 4,936 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,456 |
in god we trust isn't in the pledge. in god we trust is on our money. Under God, Indivisible .. is in the pledge. and yes, we should make the country more .. atheistic =]
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Mar 25 2004, 07:44 PM
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QUOTE(Podomaht @ Mar 25 2004, 7:42 PM) nope. you dont have to say the pledge. all you have to do is stand up. respect your country.  i agree
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Mar 25 2004, 07:45 PM
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our forfathers (or what you call them) based our constitution on God... we should leave it there to respect what they believed and to respect our God that let all things happen. (or my opinion)
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Mar 25 2004, 07:46 PM
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QUOTE(xjjajeengx @ Mar 25 2004, 7:45 PM) our forfathers (or what you call them) based our constitution on God... we should leave it there to respect what they believed and to respect our God that let all things happen. (or my opinion) what about respecting the atheists in the country? forefathers they didn't base our constituion on god. |
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Mar 25 2004, 07:47 PM
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QUOTE(waccoon @ Mar 25 2004, 7:44 PM) in god we trust isn't in the pledge. yikes. you're right. my bad. ahh, it's been a long day. 
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Mar 25 2004, 07:48 PM
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in god we trust is in money
under god is in the pledge QUOTE I pledge alleigance to the flag of the united states of america. and to the republic for which we stand one nation under god indivisible for liberty and justice for all well, if you dont care about the under god part, dont say it, theres no need for saying the pledge. pledge wastes our gym time... 
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Mar 25 2004, 07:48 PM
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my bad, typo.
 hmm...true, they didnt base it on God, but they believed in God. our constitution was created by God believers, and we should respect that and leave it in. like podo said, you dont have to say it. hahah
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Mar 25 2004, 07:50 PM
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i think it should be left in, not just cuz im Catholic but juss cuz it show`s unity. I mean it was added so to show the we were AGAiNST the Soviet Union n communism...i think it was durin` the Cold War, but i`m not sure. If you don`t believe in it..use ur "RiGHT TO REMAiN SiLENT"
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Mar 25 2004, 07:52 PM
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Why should we remove "in God we trust", i mean there is no rule saying you have to saw the pledge of allegiance. If you HAVE to then do something about it, but xjjajeengx is right, our constitution WAS created by people who believe in god. oOo im getting all into this topic, lol.
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Mar 25 2004, 07:54 PM
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QUOTE(waccoon @ Mar 25 2004, 7:46 PM) what about respecting the atheists in the country? forefathers they didn't base our constituion on god. hey man, no offense, but can you stop correcting everyones typo? i mean if you understood what she said, dont correct it. it kinda gets annoying though. sorry. |
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Mar 25 2004, 07:55 PM
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exactly. saying the Pledge is optional - and so is saying the words 'under God'.
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Mar 25 2004, 07:58 PM
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Wow. I'm the only one who's voted yes...
It was put in there by the Government in 1954 without the consent of the people so I think it should be taken out. |
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Mar 25 2004, 07:58 PM
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QUOTE(waccoon @ Mar 25 2004, 7:46 PM) what about respecting the atheists in the country? forefathers they didn't base our constituion on god. they can omit Under God. and our country was founded on Judaeo-Christian philisophy. |
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Mar 25 2004, 08:18 PM
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QUOTE(pyrochick19770 @ Mar 25 2004, 7:50 PM) i think it should be left in, not just cuz im Catholic but juss cuz it show`s unity. I mean it was added so to show the we were AGAiNST the Soviet Union n communism...i think it was durin` the Cold War, but i`m not sure. If you don`t believe in it..use ur "RiGHT TO REMAiN SiLENT" it was not added to show opposition to the soviet union and communism. QUOTE "In this way we are reaffirming the transcendence of religious faith in America's heritage and future; in this way we shall constantly strengthen those spiritual weapons which forever will be our country's most powerful resource in peace and war." those were eisenhower's exact words when he approved the chance to the pledge. |
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Mar 25 2004, 08:38 PM
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Oh yea, i heard about this on the news the other day...but i didn't stick around long enough to hear what they had to say about this. In my opinion, i say no. I mean, it was there to begin with, i say, leave it that way. From what i've seen, it hasn't really affected a lot of ppl (just from my experience), so why bother with something like that?
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| *jimmyjackiechan* |
Mar 25 2004, 08:40 PM
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I don't really care. I been using dollar bills and U.S. coins for ages. If the quarters became copper themselves, why would it matter?
I think maybe it should say "Diversity America Values" |
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| *krnxswat* |
Mar 25 2004, 10:44 PM
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topic title edited.
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Mar 25 2004, 11:10 PM
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I think it should either be takin out or the pledge become an optional thing...I mean that must be offencive to alot of ppl to have to pledge under another god....so yeah take it out besides its unconmstitutional to force religion on a group of ppl...
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Mar 25 2004, 11:17 PM
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QUOTE I think it should either be takin out or the pledge become an optional thing...I mean that must be offencive to alot of ppl to have to pledge under another god....so yeah take it out besides its unconmstitutional to force religion on a group of ppl... It is by law optional. By law no teacher, principle, person can make a student or person state the pledge out of his own will. This country was founded in belief of God. Only recently have many came public in being Athiest or believing in it. The majority of people still believe in God; most people in our country belong to some form of religion. Most americans believe in God or a supreme being. Now athiests still make a very small population in this nation. Its intresting that a minority chooses to outrule the majority. It is by law that schools cant force people to say the pledge at all. THey dont have to say the pledge or they can say it and ommit the under god part themselves. What athiests are trying to do is force the deliberate removal of belief of God from our nation. This isn't about seperation of state from religion. It is the development of anti-religion by athiests. At this moment athiests arent forced to say anything or believe anything. What athiest want is to strip the oportunity to believe. Of course this is all my opinion and therefor could not be what the case is but what the case is as I percieve it. |
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Mar 25 2004, 11:27 PM
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Mr.Politicly Incorrect Group: Member Posts: 579 Joined: Sep 2005 Member No: 8,405 |
I would have to agree with you almost totally on that...although i am athiest...i personally dont mind religion an others practicing it...but i do think it needs to stay out of places where many religions are to gether like a school...we last year hired a teacher that is very religious....which i didnt mind...till he started preaching to me in class...and tell me i was goin to hell....i just feel school is not a place where religion needs to be invovled...
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Mar 25 2004, 11:52 PM
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We are the cure. Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 4,936 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,456 |
i agree, even though atheists make up ten percent of america's population - some find it offensive. take the guy who went to court for it, he didn't want his daughter to hear it every morning. he's one of those people who complain just to complain about something. i mean, if he didnt want her to hear it just make her leave the room or something, there are people that believe in that gunk.
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Mar 26 2004, 01:25 AM
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"under God" should be kept..because I believe that it is only stating the truth. Others aren't being forced to say the words...so how is it hurting anybody except for that fact that some people don't like God...o.O
ahkkk. my mind's boooooozed up.....tired..>.< |
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Mar 26 2004, 06:44 AM
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Mr.Politicly Incorrect Group: Member Posts: 579 Joined: Sep 2005 Member No: 8,405 |
QUOTE(Co.Oky me @ Mar 26 2004, 1:25 AM) "under God" should be kept..because I believe that it is only stating the truth. That is the big thing behind the athiest...y dont kno if it is the truth....the bible was written by someone in which we still dont kno who....and according you the bible it was a dream that someone had interpreted in to what we have today as the bible.....and the fact that there is no physical proof to the exsistence of God is the reasoning to why many people feel the was they do.....Also lets say in the next 5 years someone discovers intelligent life on another planet.....lets say that they look nothing like us...that was tear apart Christianity.....because it states in there that Life (interpretted as human)...was created in god image...mean he was shaped like us.....so none human intelligent life mean....a lyin bible....to some extent...... |
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