christianity and catholocism Options

[*tweeak*]

so were at a bit of a disagreement. i think catholocism is a form of christianity, and she thinks christianity is a form of catholocism. help me out here, and state which you think and why

former arguements can be found in the merry christmas etc thread

[runforfun529]

I think its that catholic is a form of christianity, because I'm christian but not catholic.

[azn_r4pf4n]

Catholicism is much different than Christianity, but we today label Catholics and Protestants all together as Christians, which confuses me. Catholics are referred as Catholics as Christians (non-Catholics) are referred as Protestants or just "Christians". (I'm Christian, Protestant)

Protestanism was formed during the 16th century, during the Reformation, an attempt to Reform the true Christianity. Martin Luther argued the fact that the Roman Catholic Church used celibacy (a vow to never marry, especially when religion is involved), transubstanation, and indulgences. Martin Luther argued strongly for justification of faith (to accept Jesus Christ as your savior and all your sins are forgiven), which led to Protestanism. So thats how Protestanism differs from Catholicism.

Protestanism is basically what we(the Protestants) call the True Christianity.

We're(Catholics and Christians) labeled by the world today together as "Christians." Yes, Catholocism is another form of Christianity, and Protestanism is another form of Christianity too. We're all labled Christians no matter if we're Protestant or Catholic.

[DaTru KataLYST]

Are the Catholics getting high and mighty?

Christianity is the parent term. Catholocism is the daughter term, just like Protestant and Orthodox.

How did this turn into a dispute??!

[azn_r4pf4n]

Are the Catholics getting high and mighty?

Christianity is the parent term. Catholocism is the daughter term, just like Protestant and Orthodox.

How did this turn into a dispute??!

It's been a big dispute ever since the Reformation.
Religion is a very sensitive issue.

[TreesTurnMeOn]

I'm not exactly sure. They are both linked together for me. Why haven't we had Judaism invovled in this situation? I'll just stick to this.

I don't know too much about the Catholics. All I know is they have Saints and stuff....so I really can't say anything about them.

Now, being a Christian, I know a lot about Christianity. We believe that Jesus was the Messiah (yes, this has a point which will be stated in a few minutes) and he is God's son.

But that leads me to the conclusion about Judaism.

Christianity and Catholicism could well be a form of Judaism. Jesus was a Jew. Some of his diciples were Jews. But then they formed Christianity? Very odd to me...

And Christianity was created before Catholicism, so most likely Catholicism evolved from Christianity.

Hence stating, Judaism formed Christianity, which formed Catholicism.

[azn_r4pf4n]

And Christianity was created before Catholicism, so most likely Catholicism evolved from Christianity.

Im agreein wit the second one. Isreal during New Testament times was ruled by Rome. Maybe the Romans were amazed by Christianity and changed the religion a little, therefore living Christianity the "Roman way" or Catholicism.

[Mr. Psychotic]

They both.....



Suck.

[sadolakced acid]

Christian- N, a religious person who believes Jesus is the Christ and who is a member of a Christian denomination

Christianity- N, a monotheistic system of beliefs and practices based on the Old Testament and the teachings of Jesus as embodied in the New Testament and emphasizing the role of Jesus as savior

Catholic Church- N, The most ancient Christian church, whose religion ruled all Christians until the Protestant Reformation. Once undivided, today it includes these branches: Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Anglican, and old Catholic.

[*tweeak*]

Are the Catholics getting high and mighty?

Christianity is the parent term. Catholocism is the daughter term, just like Protestant and Orthodox.

How did this turn into a dispute??!

see merry christmas vs happy holidays topic. although catholocism is a form of christianity, person kraizisomethingortother2 insists otherwise. even though i offered excessive historical evidance, she still insists otherwise

ok.... wow. it's more complicated than i thought. so wait... were both wrong???

no. still you

heres the diagram i made before. sorts out the history of it.

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[sadolakced acid]

also:

these are groups and sub groups, in order of largest to smallest.

monotheism- christianity- catholicism- orthodox

each group contains the groups to it's right, and is part of the groups to it's left

[*tweeak*]

also:

these are groups and sub groups, in order of largest to smallest.

monotheism- christianity- catholicism- orthodox

each group contains the groups to it's right, and is part of the groups to it's left

although if you really want to start with monotheism, it gets more complictated, but youre right.

[Spirited Away]

I'm appalled at how many people claim they're a part of a religious organization, yet know less about it than someone who isn't a part of their religious group.

How sad. And to think, those are the same people who usually push their beliefs in other people's faces claiming their religion is the only truth.

[Spirited Away]

I insist because i have been taught that CHristianity is a form Catholosism.

So maybe, just maybe you should check your source? Whoever taught you should have facts to back up what he/she was teaching?

[Spirited Away]

If it was only one group telling me that Christianity is a form Catholosism, i wont be likely to believe them. However, A school that has been around for who knows when, and a christian church....

School isn't what teaches you, your teacher does. Teachers are humans. Humans make mistakes?

Do you remember what exactly the person said? Maybe there was some kind of discrepancy?

[*tweeak*]

she was saying that she was catholic, but not christian, and she didnt believe me when i said it was the other way around. we went back and forth, and she still didnt believe me, and so said we should start a thread on it, so i did, to get people to back it up

QUOTE (kriziaandrei2 @ Dec 27 2004, 2:44 AM)

no you're wrong. because Christianity is a form of Catholosism. I spent 4 years in Catholic school and I go to a Christian church (totally appropiate). I'm telling u for a fact that christianity is a form of catholosism. sooo i dont need you to explain to me the history. 

no im not wrong. catholocism is a form of christianity, not the other way around period. so will explain the history because you still not being submissive.

christianity is the religion based on jesus, son of mary, being the son of God who rose from the dead etc etc. The followers, all followers of jesus are called christians. eventually, problems caused constantine to move the church to constantinople, and formed the eastern orthodox sect, leaving roman catholics in rome. however, they were both still christians, because they all believed in christ, even though the eastern orthodox christians werent catholic. before the great schism, the catholic church was becoming corrupted, and so with a second pope in france, if pushed reformists over the edge, like martin luther, who them broke away from the catholic church to form the lutherin church, and then other forms of protistantism, such as methodist, baptists, etc. while these new prostostant churches are christian, because they believe in jesus as christ, they are not catholic, because they broke away from the catholic chruch.

see, in the diagram, protestantism, catholisism and eastern orthodox churches all fall under christianity, but are not all catholic.

i dont know how to explain it better than that. that should cover everything.

[runforfun529]

christianity is religion based on the teachings of jesus christ

I am christian, but I am mormon

[smthngcrprategrl...]

catholosism is a form of christianity. catholosism is the original form of christianity.

[Spirited Away]

she was saying that she was catholic, but not christian, and she didnt believe me when i said it was the other way around. we went back and forth, and she still didnt believe me, and so said we should start a thread on it, so i did, to get people to back it up

Oh, I meant to ask her what exactly her *teacher*/the person taught her in class and if there was some sort of misunderstanding.

Sorry for the confusion.

[*tweeak*]

oh i see, i thought you meant about the discrepency

[ApunBindaas]

Good question. I hear this debate ALL the time. IMO, I think Catholic is a form of Christianity to

[*Weird addiction*]

catholism is a form of christianity cos i know ppl who r christians but not catholics,like protestants for example,they rnt catholics but they r christians!

[*tweeak*]

I stand corected. as i remember; IF u Believe in Jesus Christ then you ARE Christian.

thats what ive been saying the entire time

[Ataryu]

....How can you argue with what's right in front of you?

I know im repeating what's been said, I just think it's funny

Christian- "Christ like"

Anyone who believes in god is a christian. It's not everyone who believes in god is a catholic.

And...wth?

Person1: "Someone said this, and some people agreed, so I agreed to, and now I would fight to the death to defend what they said!"

Person2: "Oh really....so...wha'd they say?"

Person1: "That the earth is flat"

Person2: "But its round"

Person1: "NO ITS NOT ITS FLAT!!!"

Person2: "So wheres the proof?"

Person1: "Wheres your proof"

Person2: "Right here, its called a globe"

Person1: "Oh yeah!!!..... well im right and your wrong, because they said it was true"

---------had nothing better to do-------

[*tweeak*]

ya... but there's still that part whether catholosism is a form of christianity or christianity is a form of catholosism.

but...you just answered your own question. its obviously catholocism as a form of christianity