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Why Bush is a horrible president, And why the war is pointless
XxNenAxX
post Jul 9 2004, 05:00 PM
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...Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity...

These are MY opinions on war. You DON'T have to agree.


point 1--Something that really bugs me is that every one is always like "I remeber 9/11" [(and I do and I feel great empathy)] when referring to the war in Iraq. Iraq/ sadaam(sp?) has nothing to do with 9/11... AT ALL! Did you know that Bin Laden was from Saudi Arabia? Yet did you hear about a war with Saudi? NO. Would you like to know why? Because Saudi Arabia own (or contibute, i can't find the word) about 7% of our economy (i don't remember exactly. and did you know that Bush senior and th Bin Laden's are good friends (even after 9/11). I don't think that is a coincidence.

point 2--- Another thing that I've had on my mind is why we Americans won't leave the Iraqi way of living alone. And how we are killing thousands of I raqi people. Thousands! And the reason they are fighting back is not because they "have to" or because they "have weapons of mass distruction" . They are fighting because we are killing there families. Did you know that only 2% of Iraqi people consider Americans lliberators.

point 3---Further more, I can't help but wonder why we [America] are not considered terrorist. Iraq are terrorist because they bomb us, yet we aren't terrorist when we bomb them?? That doesn't seem fair.

point 4--- Bush is killing a countless number of people. The last I heard it was about 900 soldiers that have died. And I can't help but wonder WHY? The war is POINTLESS. Do people not understand? We are fighting for a cause that is non-existent. I know that they did not live under peace and that the women are beat, and I agree that that is wrong. But, that is the way they live. It might seem "immoral" for us, but it is how they live. And we could have helped there government in a different way besides just going and bombing everything.

point 5--- Bush is just plain stupid. He has the lowest IQ of all the presidents. And he himself said "I am a war prsident" like it was nothing. Does he not understand that war means death? and before 9/11 he only spent about 45% (I don't remember the exact percent, it was around there) doing work. All he did was vacation. WHen he found out that the world was under a terrorist attach (when the second plane crashed) he was at a elementry school listening to the teacher read for 7 minutes before leaving to do anything about it. He was a cheerleader in high school (i just thought I had to add that)

Everyone should go see ferenhiet 9/11. It is very good.
 
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post Jul 9 2004, 05:09 PM
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oh oh.... i think this is gona turn to a debate....

I AGREE WITH EVERY WORD U SAID HOWEVER THANK U FOR EXPRESSING WHAT IM THINKING
 
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er, moved to debate
 
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post Jul 9 2004, 05:17 PM
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Heh.. Bush is such a dumb@$$. But Kerry isn't much better.

Someone else should run. Like maybe a woman? Or a history teacher... They seem to know more about the US than Bush does.

Oh, and that saying.. Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity or w/e.. That cracks me up laugh.gif
 
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post Jul 9 2004, 05:19 PM
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Kerry has voted with Bush 80% of the time. The election of 2004 is like the death penalty in Nevada, where they give you a choice of how you want to be executed.
 
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QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jul 9 2004, 2:19 PM)
Kerry has voted with Bush 80% of the time. The election of 2004 is like the death penalty in Nevada, where they give you a choice of how you want to be executed.

They give you a choice in Nevada? Wow.. I didn't know that. And I live in Nevada. blink.gif
 
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post Jul 9 2004, 05:31 PM
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i never said i liked Kerry. But I would rather have him then bush
 
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post Jul 9 2004, 05:42 PM
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I've posted this before. I got it off a friends Xanga.

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Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They complain about his prosecution of it. One liberal recently claimed Bush was the worst president in U.S. history. Let's clear up one point: We didn't start the war on terror. Try to remember, it was started by terrorists BEFORE 9/11. Let's look at the "worst" president and mismanagement claims.
FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.

Truman finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333 per year.

John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.

Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We lost 600 soldiers, an average of 30 a year. Bush did all this abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home.


Worst president in history? Come on!
The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...

It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation.
We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.
It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Teddy Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.
It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!!
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Also, the al-Qaida was in charge of 9/11. Bin Laden wasn't the only one, we're going after all members of the al-Qaida. Saddam was a major funder of the al-Qaida. There are plenty of terrorists in Iraq. Since we've been over there have you seen another attack on the United States? No, that means that our troops are doing their job and I support them.
 
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post Jul 9 2004, 05:58 PM
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well, since we're all sharing here, i'll share too. i got this from my dad. just a forward. i'm not pointing fingers or supporting anyone. just read or skip please.


"It is amazing how the facts are unimportant to so many, and how soon they forget!

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the US Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry (D - MA), and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." >- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandates of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter, and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" - Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real" - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

NOW EVERY ONE OF THESE SAME DEMOCRATS SAY PRESIDENT BUSH LIED--THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND HE TOOK US TO WAR UNNECESSARILY!"


just a forward.
 
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post Jul 9 2004, 10:27 PM
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He just want revenge for his dad..
 
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QUOTE(XxNenAxX @ Jul 9 2004, 5:31 PM)
i never said i liked Kerry. But I would rather have him then bush

I never said I liked Bush, but I would rather have Bush than Kerry (and Edwards for that matter).
 
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QUOTE(XxNenAxX @ Jul 9 2004, 3:00 PM)
...Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity...

laugh.gif LMAO . . . good point.

QUOTE(XxNenAxX @ Jul 9 2004, 3:00 PM)
yet we aren't terrorist when we bomb them??

We waged war on them, so we kinda told them what we were going to do that's why it isn't considered terrorism,
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The war is POINTLESS.

The war is pointless, yes.

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Bush is just plain stupid. He has the lowest IQ of all the presidents. And he himself said "I am a war prsident" like it was nothing. Does he not understand that war means death? and before 9/11 he only spent about 45% (I don't remember the exact percent, it was around there) doing work. All he did was vacation. WHen he found out that the world was under a terrorist attach (when the second plane crashed) he was at a elementry school listening to the teacher read for 7 minutes before leaving to do anything about it. He was a cheerleader in high school (i just thought I had to add that)

Now that's just mean. Don't bash him, I don't agree with what he has done but he is still a person.

QUOTE(XxNenAxX @ Jul 9 2004, 3:00 PM)
Everyone should go see [Fahrenheit] 9/11. It is very good.

Don't base your opinions on others. Be a leader and not a follower. But yes I must agree that Fahrenheit 9/11 is a very good film. VOTE NADER!
 
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post Jul 9 2004, 11:02 PM
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guys....bush may not be the best president in the world...but think about it...if you were stuck with a situation like 9:11...what would you do? his decisions may not be the best but they have certainly benifited the american people. I`m not sayin hes the next FDR and i`m not saying he may be the smartest person alive, but c`mon...cut him a little slack...we all did for clinton and monica at least =]
 
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QUOTE(x rOck mai sOcksz @ Jul 9 2004, 11:02 PM)
guys....bush may not be the best president in the world...but think about it...if you were stuck with a situation like 9:11...what would you do? his decisions may not be the best but they have certainly benifited the american people. I`m not sayin hes the next FDR and i`m not saying he may be the smartest person alive, but c`mon...cut him a little slack...we all did for clinton and monica at least =]

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Yea! It's not easy being President, and it's not easy having to go threw a national crisis.
 
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post Jul 9 2004, 11:24 PM
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QUOTE(XxNenAxX @ Jul 9 2004, 5:00 PM)
...Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity...

These are MY opinions on war. You DON'T have to agree.


point 1--Something that really bugs me is that every one is always like "I remeber 9/11" [(and I do and I feel great empathy)] when referring to the war in Iraq. Iraq/ sadaam(sp?) has nothing to do with 9/11... AT ALL! Did you know that Bin Laden was from Saudi Arabia? Yet did you hear about a war with Saudi? NO. Would you like to know why? Because Saudi Arabia own (or contibute, i can't find the word) about 7% of our economy (i don't remember exactly. and did you know that Bush senior and th Bin Laden's are good friends (even after 9/11). I don't think that is a coincidence.

point 2--- Another thing that I've had on my mind is why we Americans won't leave the Iraqi way of living alone. And how we are killing thousands of I raqi people. Thousands! And the reason they are fighting back is not because they "have to" or because they "have weapons of mass distruction" . They are fighting because we are killing there families. Did you know that only 2% of Iraqi people consider Americans lliberators.

point 3---Further more, I can't help but wonder why we [America] are not considered terrorist. Iraq are terrorist because they bomb us, yet we aren't terrorist when we bomb them?? That doesn't seem fair.

point 4--- Bush is killing a countless number of people. The last I heard it was about 900 soldiers that have died. And I can't help but wonder WHY? The war is POINTLESS. Do people not understand? We are fighting for a cause that is non-existent. I know that they did not live under peace and that the women are beat, and I agree that that is wrong. But, that is the way they live. It might seem "immoral" for us, but it is how they live. And we could have helped there government in a different way besides just going and bombing everything.

point 5--- Bush is just plain stupid. He has the lowest IQ of all the presidents. And he himself said "I am a war prsident" like it was nothing. Does he not understand that war means death? and before 9/11 he only spent about 45% (I don't remember the exact percent, it was around there) doing work. All he did was vacation. WHen he found out that the world was under a terrorist attach (when the second plane crashed) he was at a elementry school listening to the teacher read for 7 minutes before leaving to do anything about it. He was a cheerleader in high school (i just thought I had to add that)

Everyone should go see ferenhiet 9/11. It is very good.

Half of the things you thought up were...fake. We went to Iraq because Iraq was harboring terrorists. Saddam supported Bin Ladin, so we decided to get tactical and attack someone that helps Ladin.

We arn't being terrorist because: We don't act like pussies, and sneak into an airport and turn into suicide bombers. We told Iraq like big men. "I'm attacking you, so watch out."

How the change a government when a dictator is in the way? You can't. War is inevitable, and it must be charged with full power. Even the bible does not say war is wrong. The cause is there. We are trying to rid the world of dictatorship/communism. That's why we went to Vietnam, and Korea.

So? What if Bush was stupid? At least he knows that war is coming and is inevitable. If I'm correct, he was in the army, so obviously, he would know war means death. War is a sacrifice. If you think about it, war is art.

And who cares if he was a cheerleader? If I was at an elementary school, reading a book, and the plane crashed, I'd keep calm, finish the book, and leave. I wouldn't disrupt an entire school. He may not be smart, but he has common sense.
 
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...Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity...


not really. if your opponent is dead their is no conflict.

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We arn't being terrorist because: We don't act like pussies, and sneak into an airport and turn into suicide bombers. We told Iraq like big men. "I'm attacking you, so watch out."


we don't need to sneak onto planes. we have superior technolegy.
terrorism is using violence and fear to gain control over others. bombing iraq on a whim isn't scaring anyone!... _unsure.gif

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How the change a government when a dictator is in the way? You can't. War is inevitable, and it must be charged with full power. Even the bible does not say war is wrong. The cause is there. We are trying to rid the world of dictatorship/communism. That's why we went to Vietnam, and Korea.


that seems pretty imperialistic to me.

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Bush is just plain stupid. He has the lowest IQ of all the presidents. And he himself said "I am a war prsident" like it was nothing.


i wish he'd have told us that in 2000.

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If I'm correct, he was in the army, so obviously, he would know war means death.


from what i hear he WAS inlisted in the army but didnt serve anywhere.
 
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from what i hear he WAS inlisted in the army but didnt serve anywhere.

Yeah.. didnt he somehow escape it?

Meh.. I'm not going to bother to read the massive amounts of evidence since I'm rather lazy.. but I skimmed it over a bit and I totally agree
 
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Oh wow -- that was probably one of the most skewed arguments I've ver heard.

For one, you provided no support for anything, and additionally, a lot of the points were flawed...

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point 1--Something that really bugs me is that every one is always like "I remeber 9/11" [(and I do and I feel great empathy)] when referring to the war in Iraq. Iraq/ sadaam(sp?) has nothing to do with 9/11... AT ALL! Did you know that Bin Laden was from Saudi Arabia? Yet did you hear about a war with Saudi? NO. Would you like to know why? Because Saudi Arabia own (or contibute, i can't find the word) about 7% of our economy (i don't remember exactly. and did you know that Bush senior and th Bin Laden's are good friends (even after 9/11). I don't think that is a coincidence.


"Iraq/ sadaam(sp?) has nothing to do with 9/11... AT ALL"

Oh really? So, in essence, you're claming that Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein have absolutely no connection with each other?

1.)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...2/06/nirq06.xml

^ Tony Blair, prime minister of Great Britain claims "definite links" between Iraq and Al Qaeda.

2.)

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/03/28/1048653833092.html

Al Qaeda trained terrorist fighting on the side of the Iraqis.

3.)

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Publ...03/378fmxyz.asp

Government memo detailing the connection.

4.)

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/DailyNe...205_krekar.html

Radical Al Qaeda groups against Iraq...

5.)

http://www.techcentralstation.com/092503F.html

Further proof...

"Did you know that Bin Laden was from Saudi Arabia? Yet did you hear about a war with Saudi? NO."

Oh yeah? Did you know bin Laden hasn't been associated with Saudi Arabia since 1979 when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan?

"Would you like to know why? Because Saudi Arabia own (or contibute, i can't find the word) about 7% of our economy"

Hmm...it couldn't have to do with the fact that bin Laden is wanted in most parts of Saudi Arabia. And I'm sure the fact that there's more oil under Gull Island, AK than all of Saudi Arabia has nothing to do with our actions.

I mean, honestly, we're smart about our economic choices. You strain the other country's resources, use them up, and then tap into your own.

"and did you know that Bush senior and th Bin Laden's are good friends (even after 9/11). I don't think that is a coincidence"

That's only half a fact. It'd be fact if you rephrased it to say "the bin Laden" family, because Bush's ties were limited to Osama's eldest brother Salem (once the head of the bin Laden fortune). Salem bin Laden and Bush were early business partners together starting up the Arbusto Oil Co.

Any connection Bush had with the bin Laden family abruptly ended in '88 when Salem bin Laden died in a freak plane accident.

Since, Osama has had zero tie to the president.

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point 2--- Another thing that I've had on my mind is why we Americans won't leave the Iraqi way of living alone. And how we are killing thousands of I raqi people. Thousands! And the reason they are fighting back is not because they "have to" or because they "have weapons of mass distruction" . They are fighting because we are killing there families. Did you know that only 2% of Iraqi people consider Americans lliberators.


We're killing the ones that are radically resisting us. I'd say we've done a hell of a job, seeing how infrastructure like hospitals, schools, post offices, and banks aren't being blown up daily for political support anymore.

Saddam would destroy a hospital and blame it on the Kurds to gain the support of his people...

We've rid the country of him, and you say we're not liberating?

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point 3---Further more, I can't help but wonder why we [America] are not considered terrorist. Iraq are terrorist because they bomb us, yet we aren't terrorist when we bomb them?? That doesn't seem fair.


Fact is, they knew what we were going to do prior to doing it. We didn't.

That's the fine line between war and terrorism.

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point 4--- Bush is killing a countless number of people. The last I heard it was about 900 soldiers that have died. And I can't help but wonder WHY? The war is POINTLESS. Do people not understand? We are fighting for a cause that is non-existent. I know that they did not live under peace and that the women are beat, and I agree that that is wrong. But, that is the way they live. It might seem "immoral" for us, but it is how they live. And we could have helped there government in a different way besides just going and bombing everything.


Oh, is that "how they live"? Wrong. They've only "lived" like that since 1968 when Al-Bakr overthrew Abdul Rahman Arif and reestablished the Baath Party.

When the Arif's were in the presidency, there was even a cease-fire peace with the Kurds, which was basically unheard of.

And what's the different way you combat covert, underground violence?

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point 5--- Bush is just plain stupid. He has the lowest IQ of all the presidents. And he himself said "I am a war prsident" like it was nothing. Does he not understand that war means death? and before 9/11 he only spent about 45% (I don't remember the exact percent, it was around there) doing work. All he did was vacation. WHen he found out that the world was under a terrorist attach (when the second plane crashed) he was at a elementry school listening to the teacher read for 7 minutes before leaving to do anything about it. He was a cheerleader in high school (i just thought I had to add that)


Actually, he has the lowest I.Q. of any president in the last 50 years, Theodore Roosevelt's IQ was 90. GW's is 91.

Do you not understand that war is the reason this country exists?

What kind of work did he only do 45% of, and where are you coming up with your numbers?

Oh, and when he was at that school -- what did you expect him to do? Panic, and send the entire class into an uproar? Put on his superman cape and fly to the scene?

I didn't stop my exam and run to the T.V...

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Everyone should go see ferenhiet 9/11.


It's also completely biased, Michael Moore garbage.

I don't know how some people take him seriously...
 
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QUOTE(XxNenAxX @ Jul 9 2004, 5:00 PM)
...Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity...

These are MY opinions on war. You DON'T have to agree.


point 1--Something that really bugs me is that every one is always like "I remeber 9/11" [(and I do and I feel great empathy)] when referring to the war in Iraq. Iraq/ sadaam(sp?) has nothing to do with 9/11... AT ALL! Did you know that Bin Laden was from Saudi Arabia? Yet did you hear about a war with Saudi? NO. Would you like to know why? Because Saudi Arabia own (or contibute, i can't find the word) about 7% of our economy (i don't remember exactly. and did you know that Bush senior and th Bin Laden's are good friends (even after 9/11). I don't think that is a coincidence.

point 2--- Another thing that I've had on my mind is why we Americans won't leave the Iraqi way of living alone. And how we are killing thousands of I raqi people. Thousands! And the reason they are fighting back is not because they "have to" or because they "have weapons of mass distruction" . They are fighting because we are killing there families. Did you know that only 2% of Iraqi people consider Americans lliberators.

point 3---Further more, I can't help but wonder why we [America] are not considered terrorist. Iraq are terrorist because they bomb us, yet we aren't terrorist when we bomb them?? That doesn't seem fair.

point 4--- Bush is killing a countless number of people. The last I heard it was about 900 soldiers that have died. And I can't help but wonder WHY? The war is POINTLESS. Do people not understand? We are fighting for a cause that is non-existent. I know that they did not live under peace and that the women are beat, and I agree that that is wrong. But, that is the way they live. It might seem "immoral" for us, but it is how they live. And we could have helped there government in a different way besides just going and bombing everything.

point 5--- Bush is just plain stupid. He has the lowest IQ of all the presidents. And he himself said "I am a war prsident" like it was nothing. Does he not understand that war means death? and before 9/11 he only spent about 45% (I don't remember the exact percent, it was around there) doing work. All he did was vacation. WHen he found out that the world was under a terrorist attach (when the second plane crashed) he was at a elementry school listening to the teacher read for 7 minutes before leaving to do anything about it. He was a cheerleader in high school (i just thought I had to add that)

Everyone should go see ferenhiet 9/11. It is very good.

I see Michael Moore has brainwashed you. All of your arguments are twisted, just like how Michael Moore presented them in his film.


I pity you. You bash Bush's IQ and you spell several things incorrectly. Your grammar isn't very good either.
 
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post Jul 10 2004, 10:06 AM
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QUOTE(pikimoo @ Jul 9 2004, 3:17 PM)
Heh.. Bush is such a dumb@$$. But Kerry isn't much better.

thats true... Bush is such a dumb@$$...but kerry is not even better. he sux too.. hehe since Bush messed this whole thing up.. i think he should be the president again to clean up this mes he went through. and ur right about 9/11 that saddam has nothing to do with that. then why bother saddam. yes, it's bush's fault. i think he commit a suicide... those ppls who got killed in iraq and those armies who got killed shud be bush's fault. since he started the whole war.... i know all u guys wana help and do the war, but... ur loved ones will cry and there might be a war in america lols... fighting and telling them to stop having war cause they hate seeing their loved ones die. i am too sick of ppls dying T_T makes my heart hurt. well it's wonderful for the soldiers to go on a war just to fight for their country and all, but still... it hurts us.. T_T;; i used to love president bush, but now i hate him. he brought a lot of deaths into these worlds...

but theres one thing in my mind that i wana know...who said that gay marriage should be illegal? was it kerry or bush? cause if it was bush... im glad he said that on his speech, cause i dont want gay/lesbian marriage to be legal
 
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QUOTE(anqel_r0h @ Jul 10 2004, 10:06 AM)
thats true... Bush is such a dumb@$$...but kerry is not even better. he sux too.. hehe since Bush messed this whole thing up.. i think he should be the president again to clean up this mes he went through. and ur right about 9/11 that saddam has nothing to do with that. then why bother saddam. yes, it's bush's fault. i think he commit a suicide... those ppls who got killed in iraq and those armies who got killed shud be bush's fault. since he started the whole war.... i know all u guys wana help and do the war, but... ur loved ones will cry and there might be a war in america lols... fighting and telling them to stop having war cause they hate seeing their loved ones die. i am too sick of ppls dying T_T makes my heart hurt. well it's wonderful for the soldiers to go on a war just to fight for their country and all, but still... it hurts us.. T_T;; i used to love president bush, but now i hate him. he brought a lot of deaths into these worlds...

but theres one thing in my mind that i wana know...who said that gay marriage should be illegal? was it kerry or bush? cause if it was bush... im glad he said that on his speech, cause i dont want gay/lesbian marriage to be legal

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post Jul 10 2004, 10:23 AM
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You say Bush is stupid, yet he is the smartest president with the most degrees we have ever had. I don't see people bashing our past president for not being bright. I mean come on the man has a learning disability, and obviously he has been able to compinsate(sp?) for it. I will agree though sometimes i do question his intelligence,but everyone's is questioned at one point and time.

Please don't just listen to what Micheal Moore said, if you would've watched his Today interview you would've known what he was speaking was pure crap.

Bush is the lesser of the two evils, and I swear people must keep ignoring what I say when I say it is Congress you should get mad at because THEY are the ones who voted for war, THEY are the ones who have run our economy into the gorund while they are make 150,000+++. Bush is a puppet, don't get mad at him, get mad at the people pulling the strings
 
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dopo (is that u, podo?) i dont got no love for them... i bet the satan made them to do that... like how satan controlled adam and eve in the beginning... adam and eve was naked but then when they ate the apples when they're not supposed to... felt like they are naked... the satan can change from wat ppls are doing, so yeah... heh.. um so yeah uhhhh i dont got no love for the gay marriages. God didn't create us like that... he created as one guy, one girl. live like that
 
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QUOTE(anqel_r0h @ Jul 10 2004, 8:24 AM)
dopo (is that u, podo?) i dont got no love for them... i bet the satan made them to do that... like how satan controlled adam and eve in the beginning... adam and eve was naked but then when they ate the apples when they're not supposed to... felt like they are naked... the satan can change from wat ppls are doing, so yeah... heh.. um so yeah uhhhh i dont got no love for the gay marriages. God didn't create us like that... he created as one guy, one girl. live like that

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