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 May 20 2004, 03:26 PM
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For all of the anti-theists here -- what is the importance of capital 'T' Truth? That is, is there any defendable reason why truth is inherently better than illusion? About which nothing can be said, why is nothing better than something?
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May 20 2004, 03:28 PM
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 Dark Lord of McCandless Group: Member Posts: 2,226 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,761 |
QUOTE(peanutbutterbbb @ May 20 2004, 3:26 PM) For all of the anti-theists here -- what is the importance of capital 'T' Truth? That is, is there any defendable reason why truth is inherently better than illusion? About which nothing can be said, why is nothing better than something? What is Truth? |
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May 20 2004, 03:29 PM
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truth as in, why must you have concrete evidence that god does exist in order for you to believe?
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May 20 2004, 03:41 PM
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Dark Lord of McCandless Group: Member Posts: 2,226 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,761 |
QUOTE(peanutbutterbbb @ May 20 2004, 3:29 PM) truth as in, why must you have concrete evidence that god does exist in order for you to believe? Because if you don't have evidence for something, then how do you know it's truth? Otherwise, it's just belief or perception, isn't it? |
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May 20 2004, 03:45 PM
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yeah, but that's not my question though -- my question is why does truth matter?
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May 20 2004, 03:47 PM
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 We are the cure. Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 4,936 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,456 |
QUOTE(peanutbutterbbb @ May 20 2004, 4:29 PM) truth as in, why must you have concrete evidence that god does exist in order for you to believe? because blind faith isn't healthy. why not know what you're putting your trust and time into? after all, you're spending all those days in church. fear of god? fear of the unknown. |
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May 20 2004, 03:47 PM
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Dark Lord of McCandless Group: Member Posts: 2,226 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,761 |
QUOTE(peanutbutterbbb @ May 20 2004, 3:45 PM) yeah, but that's not my question though -- my question is why does truth matter? There is no such thing as truth. If I say I can fly ... and I think I can fly ... and you think I can fly ... then I fly! There is no truth, no perception. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Human minds are infinitely malleable ... Imagine what the truth ought to be ... and it shall be so ... If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face ... forever! |
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May 20 2004, 03:48 PM
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 Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
Truth matters because, I don't want to believe in something false,
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May 20 2004, 03:48 PM
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 3,565, you n00bs ain't got nothin' on me. Group: Official Member Posts: 3,761 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 3,565 |
Because it's like learning. You can take guesses, and think it is, but if youre taking math or something, you need CONCRETE facts in order to believe it. Like without it, 1+1 could be 3,4,5,6 and so on.
I'm sorry if that didnt make any sense, but i couldnt think of a common example. |
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May 20 2004, 03:49 PM
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 20 2004, 3:48 PM) Truth matters because, I don't want to believe in something false, .But how do you know what Truth is? Is truth not just your perception of the world? Juliar, 1+1 can equal 2. Or it can equal 3. Or it can equal all of these things at the same time. You just have to take a Discrete Math class. |
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May 20 2004, 03:52 PM
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^ Exactly!
Is there any access to truth at all? And even if there is, why is the Truth Good in any absolute sense? If someone is comforted in death believing they are going to the Elysian Fields to rejoin their ancestors, what makes the 'Truth' that they are returning to nothing better? |
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May 20 2004, 03:52 PM
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3,565, you n00bs ain't got nothin' on me. Group: Official Member Posts: 3,761 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 3,565 |
QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 20 2004, 3:49 PM) But how do you know what Truth is? Is truth not just your perception of the world? Juliar, 1+1 can equal 2. Or it can equal 3. Or it can equal all of these things at the same time. You just have to take a Discrete Math class. QUOTE I'm sorry if that didnt make any sense, but i couldnt think of a common example. Notice. Believing in something fake, like moon is made of green cheese, or that you arent alive, or something like that, truth matters because that is what we depend on to have knowledge. |
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May 20 2004, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE(juliar @ May 20 2004, 3:52 PM) Notice. Believing in something fake, like moon is made of green cheese, or that you arent alive, or something like that, truth matters because that is what we depend on to have knowledge. But if I believe the moon is made of green cheese, and everyone believes the moon is made of green cheese, then is it not made of green cheese? How can you prove that it is not? Is truth, Winston, not just a combination of perception? |
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May 20 2004, 03:54 PM
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What may be truth to you may not be truth to another. I may feel that Hitler was wrong for persecuting and slaughtering millions of Jews, but he (and others) thought it was fine. It's personal, and therefore subjective. Therefore, there is no absolute truth because there are no absolutes. Everything is possible. Hence, nothing is impossible, only improbable.
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May 20 2004, 03:57 PM
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If no one believes the Holocaust took place, and all documentation of it was destroyed, then would it not be accurate to say that the Truth is that the Holocaust never occured, Winston? You must set aside your old biases. Embrace the love that is Big Brother. Embrace the love that is Big Brother.
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May 20 2004, 03:59 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
Well the question originally asked why believing in something true important.
Sometimes, we make things too complicated for our own good. Truth is based not only on facts, but also on whether or not a person will accept those facts as truths. Some may say that the the moon is made of cheese, that may be a fact for those people, but it's up to me to accept it as a truth. (Which I don't, thank goodness! )
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May 20 2004, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 20 2004, 3:59 PM) Well the question originally asked why believing in something true important. Sometimes, we make things too complicated for our own good. Truth is based not only on facts, but also on whether or not a person will accept those facts as truths. Some may say that the the moon is made of cheese, that may be a fact for those people, but it's up to me to accept it as a truth. (Which I don't, thank goodness! )But if you do, then it becomes truth. You must accept it. You shall accept it. It is your destiny. |
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May 20 2004, 04:05 PM
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Um...okay...O'Brian.
Anywho, numbers aren't the greatest example for truth. They are merely figures set into our brains which can ultimately be substituted for other figures. You will know that the Holocaust took place because people witnessed it. You will know truth because there is evidence; not simply because everyone thinks it is so. Look at Columbus...everyone believed him that the earth was flat, but he was later disproved. |
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May 20 2004, 04:06 PM
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Truth is nothing more than a state of mind in which we believe wholeheartedly in some cause or thing.
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May 20 2004, 04:07 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 20 2004, 4:00 PM) But if you do, then it becomes truth. You must accept it. You shall accept it. It is your destiny. Exactly. So each person has his/her own truths. I can deny a truth until it reveals to me the evidences or proofs behind it. Destiny isn't about accepting truths. Part of destiny is about finding out what your truths are. |
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May 20 2004, 04:08 PM
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Secret Police Group: Member Posts: 205 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,848 |
There is no truth, it is all in our mind.
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May 20 2004, 04:48 PM
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QUOTE There is no truth, it is all in our mind. Yeah.. I agree.. truth isnt something that's universal, its what we each believe in.. i mean.. how do we know that our lives arent just a dream, and that one day we'll wake up and everything will be completely different? Truth is what you make of your environment, what has been presented to you, and what you accept to be true |
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May 20 2004, 05:15 PM
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So, going back to the actual topic...because we choose to accept what is true, then the importance of something we don't accept as truth is unnecessary? I mean...people believe in God...doesn't make it truth; therefore, since I don't believe in that personally, does it mean that it doesn't matter in the first place? (I think I'm confusing myself)
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May 20 2004, 05:33 PM
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3,565, you n00bs ain't got nothin' on me. Group: Official Member Posts: 3,761 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 3,565 |
Grawr this is so confusing. SO this will be my last post in this topic or else I will be a seething idiot soon.
Truth is usually something set in stone, something that happened. "Tell the truth." Means to tell the facts correctly. I don't think truth is opinion. Truth is fact, and you can go either wrong or right. |
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May 20 2004, 05:37 PM
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That's what I believe, Julia, but they're saying that it is whatever you choose to believe, which is part of it, yet itruth is still proven.
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