9/11: conspiracy theories Options

[illriginal]

Would it make you feel more comfortable that link I gave is actually my cousin's link? I could go section by section, but I much rather just put out a link for everyone to view. Actually I have a great idea, I should be linking that page onto my sig.

So yeah you won this debate, congrats

[*I Shot JFK*]

Because the answers you guys are givin me are the same ones that neo cons, republicans, and the right wing spew out with... when in fact those questions have already been answered with a little more intellegence and plenty of sources to back them up. Some of those claims about debunking are merely just theories against theories... And I can link anything I'd like that's appropiate especially when it's filled with facts that most Americans can't handle, so the first thing that spews out of their mouths is "Conspiracy theory!!!" LOL

If you don't believe those questions were already answered, I could just copy and paste a few different forum boards onto here to show that it has already been taken care of.

They are also the answers which the sensible left-wing thinkers give. e.g. Nate.

And regarding your last posts... as far as I'm aware, and it would seem unlikely to be untrue, you and your cousin are in fact NOT the same person, and thus they STILL do not qualify as YOUR arguements.

[illriginal]

His arguement and my arguement are practically the same... except I viewed self incriminating docments that's full evidence straight out of the pentagon. The problem with this evidence is that I cannot post it up onto this forumboard, nor any other online webpages. Why? Well simply because I don't need to end my life in a cage just to prove the official story to be bogus.

I will say this though, Building 7 (the third building that some how fell apart :whistle: ) did hold evidence against the government and their private, independent, and government funded corperations about 9/11, Bin Laden/his family, Saddam, Saudi Arabia, etc... were infact part of the "blueprint" Don't believe it? That's fine.. I don't care

[AngelinaTaylor]

Tama, it's highly annoying when you only give links. It gives the impression that you haven't read your source fully, and you just know that there's something that would possibly contradict other people's points.

Next time, read it. And provide sources for your points and "facts". You didn't come up with them yourself, right?

[illriginal]

Here's some more annoyance :)


Everyone watch this interesting video proving lots of the official story WRONG:

Click here

[Forenzicss]

Why was all the steel from the Twin Towers and building 7 immediately sold to scrap metal vendors and shipped overseas and melted down to be reused without ever being tested?

All the steel wasn't sold. I own parts of the beams from the south tower.

[illriginal]

Really? Can you do us a favor, stand next to those parts of those beams, with your user name "Forenzicss" printed on a sheet of paper nice and big, please. And I'm assuming that atleast one of those pieces have burn marks or are a bit twisted looking, so show us one with most damaging proof that you own them with a kodak moment

[NoSex]

Really? Can you do us a favor, stand next to those parts of those beams, with your user name "Forenzicss" printed on a sheet a paper nice and big, please.

Yes, please.
And, don't forget to stick your middle finger up into the air!

Don't expect her to prove anything when you yourself have yet to prove your side. I already answered that question of yours. All that scrap metal was not sold.

[Forenzicss]

Really? Can you do us a favor, stand next to those parts of those beams, with your user name "Forenzicss" printed on a sheet a paper nice and big, please. And I'm assuming that atleast one of those pieces have burn marks or are a bit twisted looking, so show us one with most damaging proof that you own them

I really don't want to because in all honestly I find you very annoying and I don't care what you think, but I will.

One large piece stands as a memorial on our campgrounds in the memory of someone who died.

Another I have right here, and it's molded into the shape of a cross.

How did I get these you ask? My father worked down at ground zero for months as a RedCross Chaplain and brought them home.

Oh, yes i forgot the tags. when the world trade center was made the beams were marked with small tags so the builders knew what beam went where. I own a handful of those as well. I'll close-up on those.

I'll also include the gear he had to wear down there, breathing mask, chaplain helmet, pins and patches.

And also any newspaper articles about him if you'd like. He was just on the news last night about this. I could go on. I'm sure that will be enough "proof". Then you can shush up (I was saying it nicely)

So, tomorrow or the next day. It's late.

EDIT:

And, don't forget to stick your middle finger up into the air!

EDIT: September 14th 9:00 A.M.
I just finished taking the pictures, i'll post them later on tonight

[illriginal]

I Just remember my library happens to have one of those beams with a remembrance of 9/11 statue, so it could be possible she does have it.

And I myself don't force my information down people's throat such as what you poorly judged me to do with my Islam thread... people who much rather not want to know the information don't derserve my time. And you ma'am are not worth the time to debate with, and that's final.

P.S. That will be my last message to you Acid Bath Slayer

I really don't want to because in all honestly I find you very annoying and I don't care what you think, but I will.

One large piece stands as a memorial on our campgrounds in the memory of someone who died.

Another I have right here, and it's molded into the shape of a cross.

How did I get these you ask? My father worked down at ground zero for months as a RedCross Chaplain and brought them home.

Oh, yes i forgot the tags. when the world trade center was made the beams were marked with small tags so the builders knew what beam went where. I own a handful of those as well. I'll close-up on those.

I'll also include the gear he had to wear down there, breathing mask, chaplain helmet, pins and patches.

And also any newspaper articles about him if you'd like. He was just on the news last night about this. I could go on. I'm sure that will be enough "proof". Then you can shush up (I was saying it nicely)

So, tomorrow or the next day. It's late.

EDIT:

Yes that would be sweet

Don't forget your username on a page, nice and big so we can all see... would be nice to see

[AngelinaTaylor]

Here's some more annoyance :)
Everyone watch this interesting video proving lots of the official story WRONG:

Click here

Yeah, he makes some good points about the "plane" that crashed into the pentagon. I advise people to watch that one.

[*yrrnotelekktric*]

no time right now

that was boring

maria, i miss your viggo pics.

[Gypsy Eyes]

Who gives a flying f*ck if there is some video that "proves" it was the government. There are videos that could prove anything. It really doesn't matter. Did you ever consider the possibility that tower seven could have fallen due everything going on around it?

[*I Shot JFK*]

Jackie, he will never consider anything. He is already convinces that he is right. Silly, isnt it?

[illriginal]

Who gives a flying f*ck if there is some video that "proves" it was the government. There are videos that could prove anything. It really doesn't matter. Did you ever consider the possibility that tower seven could have fallen due everything going on around it?

So after watchin the video, you're agreeing that the Twin Towers is true, that there really wasn't a reflection but in fact was some sort of fire flash right before both planes entered the buildings, whatever it may have been. And that the Twin Towers were in fact destroyed by demolition, just like eye witnesses such as bystanders, police officers, and especially fire fighters claimed, right?

You're also agreeing that the Pentagon really wasn't hit by a 757 commercial plane, but hit by something else alot smaller? And finally you're agreeing that the official story is basically bogus as far as the twin towers and the pentagon, right? But you're still skeptical about building 7? Ok atleast we're progressing.

I shot JFK... cool beans, watched the video? No? Ok.

[xoxo_proud]

It does matter. The people who lost loved ones and the rest of us deserve to know what happened that day. We deserve the truth. If our government did know about it and purposely let those planes hit the Twin Towers we have the right to know that. It doesnt matter if it was the terroists or our government or whatever. I'd just like to know what truely happened that day.

[illriginal]

Can anyone prove that Arabs... or anyone that looked like Arabs hijack the planes? And why is there claims that the hijackers of 9/11 are alive... atleast a few of them are. Why are they alive?

[Gypsy Eyes]

So after watchin the video, you're agreeing that the Twin Towers is true, that there really wasn't a reflection but in fact was some sort of fire flash right before both planes entered the buildings, whatever it may have been. And that the Twin Towers were in fact destroyed by demolition, just like eye witnesses such as bystanders, police officers, and especially fire fighters claimed, right?

You're also agreeing that the Pentagon really wasn't hit by a 757 commercial plane, but hit by something else alot smaller? And finally you're agreeing that the official story is basically bogus as far as the twin towers and the pentagon, right? But you're still skeptical about building 7? Ok atleast we're progressing.

I shot JFK... cool beans, watched the video? No? Ok.

When the hell did I say that? Half of my family worked in the towers, and were there that day. You saw it through the eyes of some person behind a camera who could manipulate it. I saw it through my own. I live less than 20 miles outside the city. We saw the planes, we heard them, we got the dust cloud, we saw them collapse. You saw it through someones camera. My uncles and cousins were down there when it collapsed, just making it out of the building and there were there the next day searching through rubble. My friends lost fathers, and brothers. How can you honestly live with your self by trying to turn this into another way to blame the government? Just leave it alone.

Yeah, it would be nice to know for sure who did it. But what good is that going to do? Revenge only causes retaliation.

[illriginal]

Leave it alone? I'm sorry but I'm not gonna leave anything alone that has to do with my country and the position it's currently in.

You saw it less than 20 miles away, and I saw it through cameras within hundreds, if not thousands of feet away from the towers. You only saw it from 1 if not at most... two angles. I saw it from many different angles.

There's no manipulation of that "specific" video, as you claim... doesn't that suck? What would make feelings hurt even more, is findin out that this in fact was planned and created by our Government. And all those poor police officers, fire fighers, doctors, nurses, bystanders etc... died, all for an Imperialist agenda... but anyways, that's besides the point.

I don't want to offend you, but I don't feel sympathy for things that happened long ago... maybe I'm apathetic with others?, I dunno... I feel numb, two important things let me down and now I only care about myself, my loved ones, and God... no one or nothin else.

As far as revenge... hell yeah I would want revenge against someone, specially when they blamed it on my religion. In fact I'd join the next revolution if it ever happened. If it didn't happen, I'd just leave the country with my lady and watch the nation go down the tubes.

[*I Shot JFK*]

Why on earth would you assume that i havent watched the video? I, unlike some, evidently, onsider actually listening to the arguments others put forward to be worthwhile.

[Spirited Away]

Leave it alone? I'm sorry but I'm not gonna leave anything alone that has to do with my country and the position it's currently in.

You saw it less than 20 miles away, and I saw it through cameras within hundreds, if not thousands of feet away from the towers. You only saw it from 1 if not at most... two angles. I saw it from many different angles.

Uh, if you want to get technical, she saw more than you did. Don't you think the she saw those "angles" you mentioned in the media the days following the attack? Add that list to her first point of view of the attack and she definitely saw more. Plus, her family was invovled first hand. How can things get any more "upclose and personal" than that?

Many different angles my ass.

James, don't bother. Some people just have no shame.

[Gypsy Eyes]

You saw it less than 20 miles away, and I saw it through cameras within hundreds, if not thousands of feet away from the towers. You only saw it from 1 if not at most... two angles. I saw it from many different angles.

There's no manipulation of that "specific" video, as you claim... doesn't that suck? What would make feelings hurt even more, is findin out that this in fact was planned and created by our Government. And all those poor police officers, fire fighers, doctors, nurses, bystanders etc... died, all for an Imperialist agenda... but anyways, that's besides the point.

Do you have any idea how easy it is to manipulate a camera to make it show what you want it to? Again, you saw it through the eyes of someone else not with your own. Just like all of your information is from someone else.

Did you ever consider the fact that it could have been a regular fire on the video, not an explosion? Walking into the city and seeing a fire on a building is really no big deal.

Our government may be run by a complete idiot, but they wouldn't kill that many people, put the economy down the tube and risk all of that to destroy some papers. Try logic next time, it usually works

[*I Shot JFK*]

Uh, if you want to get technical, she saw more than you did. Don't you think the she saw those "angles" you mentioned in the media the days following the attack? Add that list to her first point of view of the attack and she definitely saw more. Plus, her family was invovled first hand. How can things get any more "upclose and personal" than that?

Many different angles my ass.

James, don't bother. Some people just have no shame.

the irksome thing is, i DID WATCH THE VIDEO.

[Forenzicss]

Really? Can you do us a favor, stand next to those parts of those beams, with your user name "Forenzicss" printed on a sheet of paper nice and big, please. And I'm assuming that atleast one of those pieces have burn marks or are a bit twisted looking, so show us one with most damaging proof that you own them with a kodak moment

Ok. Sry about the quality of the images, I couldn't use quite a few of the pics I took of different stuff. I'm never using a disposable again.

For the album click HERE

1: The last image is the one you asked for. It's molded into the shape of a cross(duh)

2: In the image described as "bunch of stuff" you can see the cross laid over. On the bottom it says, WTC Debris 9-11-01 Rev D Verzyl Morgue. i tried doing a close up on the tags you see, where it says "ground zero: all access" but yea.

3: 2nd to last pic is a marker from a beam. i took a close up, but yeah u know how that went. it has an exact number and company, etc.. if you were wondering.

4: The Plaque. the picture is of a large piece my dad brought home to make a memorial. yeah, couldn't go there, sry. it's in upstate, NY and we've since moved. (They painted the beam and this pissed me off lol)

5: the helmet. the helmet he wore when he worked down there (duh).

6: there's pics of a ground zero chaplain shirt

One Newspaper Article: CLICK HERE

Yeah, so i don't lie. I'll prove (if i feel like it).

The End.

[DarkImpressions]

Well i dont know all I know was that was a very very sad day and millions of lives were lost but nayways i dont know if it was a set up but whoever thought of it that was a real cruel idea