Hitler or Colombus, Who is worse? |
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 Oct 20 2004, 03:29 PM
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 Seien Sie bitte mein Geliebter!  Group: Member Posts: 660 Joined: Aug 2004 Member No: 43,436  |
Who do you think is worse? Consider the facts. Colombus is responsibe for killing far more than Hitler. He really started the war between white men and "Indians" and hs voyage brought many diseases to America that killed even more people (The natives weren't immune like the Europeans and couldn't fight off the illnesses)
Then again Hitler was evil. But he was crazy too. In the courts if you commit a crime you can plead insanity and get out of it so........ i'm not really sure which way I'm leaning. |
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Oct 20 2004, 03:47 PM
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hitler still. colombus was not singularly resposible, for a genocide as hitler was. while columbus certianly isnt someone worth devoting a day to, he was not nearly as bad as hitler
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Oct 20 2004, 04:19 PM
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 Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(picaso_smile @ Oct 20 2004, 3:29 PM) Who do you think is worse? Consider the facts. Colombus is responsibe for killing far more than Hitler. He really started the war between white men and "Indians" and hs voyage brought many diseases to America that killed even more people (The natives weren't immune like the Europeans and couldn't fight off the illnesses) Columbus did not kill natives INTENTIONALLY by carrying cold viruses nor did he lead the hate between White men and Natives. Seriously, how would he, with no knowledge of the new land, know that what he considers an everyday cold would be so harmful? Hitler, on the other hand, killed intentionally. |
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Oct 20 2004, 05:05 PM
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Alternativemado Group: Member Posts: 35 Joined: Sep 2004 Member No: 48,401 |
Hitler or columbus? They were both cruel and evil. Both committed genocide. So its hard to decide but most people think that Hitler was more evil than columbus which isn't entirely correct.
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Oct 20 2004, 05:08 PM
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Alternativemado Group: Member Posts: 35 Joined: Sep 2004 Member No: 48,401 |
Umm...also Columbus didn't only kill the natives with viruses that he brought over. Columbus and his men hunted Natives for a sport!!! for a damn sport! for his amusement! During columbu's first 4 years in the west Indies 5 million Natives were killled due to him! 5 million!!! Included the whole Taino Indians!! He demolished a WHOLE RACE AND CULTURE!
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Oct 20 2004, 05:14 PM
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QUOTE(Alternativemado @ Oct 20 2004, 5:08 PM) Umm...also Columbus didn't only kill the natives with viruses that he brought over. Columbus and his men hunted Natives for a sport!!! for a damn sport! for his amusement! During columbu's first 4 years in the west Indies 5 million Natives were killled due to him! 5 million!!! Included the whole Taino Indians!! He demolished a WHOLE RACE AND CULTURE! Not to mention that he would hide and rape the native women while he made the native men find gold or something.. 
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Oct 20 2004, 05:36 PM
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 Can't have the hand without the cock. Group: Member Posts: 2,481 Joined: Sep 2004 Member No: 50,622 |
QUOTE(my_papaya @ Oct 20 2004, 3:47 PM) hitler still. colombus was not singularly resposible, for a genocide as hitler was. while columbus certianly isnt someone worth devoting a day to, he was not nearly as bad as hitler Yeah. and what inspiredfae said. |
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Oct 20 2004, 08:49 PM
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 Dark Lord of McCandless Group: Member Posts: 2,226 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,761 |
Hitler intentionally tried to kill off several races.
Columbus is guilty of lack of judgment. Essentially, Columbus did the same thing Bush is doing in Iraq -- not taking into account the consequences of converting other people to your belief system. |
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Oct 20 2004, 11:12 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(Alternativemado @ Oct 20 2004, 5:08 PM) Umm...also Columbus didn't only kill the natives with viruses that he brought over. Columbus and his men hunted Natives for a sport!!! for a damn sport! for his amusement! During columbu's first 4 years in the west Indies 5 million Natives were killled due to him! 5 million!!! Included the whole Taino Indians!! He demolished a WHOLE RACE AND CULTURE! Oh yes like he knew what sickness means to Natives and knew exactly that they didn't have the kind of treatment for the common cold so he used to kill them all off  Columbus wasn't a paragon of man today and he wasn't a paragon of man then either. Is hunting for sport really news in that era? You tell me. |
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Oct 21 2004, 09:39 AM
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 Bardic Nation Group: Member Posts: 1,113 Joined: Aug 2004 Member No: 38,059 |
The first rule of politics is to know that the juice is worth the squeeze.
The juice or the united enemy against us doesnt sting more than what we're accomplishing. Any conspiracy theories about columbus are entirely speculation... after years of distortion, the truth can no longer be discerned. Hitler is a far greater evil. |
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Oct 21 2004, 03:17 PM
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While you shouldn't forget the fact that Columbus actually did kill Indians on purpose who didn't trade with his faction, as well as enslaving millions...he isn't a saint. The voyage itself and Spain should be blamed for that.
But Hitler was a scourge on humanity. A big black blotch on the book of history. |
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Oct 21 2004, 11:37 PM
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 make me lala Group: Member Posts: 486 Joined: Aug 2004 Member No: 37,831 |
QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Oct 20 2004, 2:19 PM) Columbus did not kill natives INTENTIONALLY by carrying cold viruses nor did he lead the hate between White men and Natives. Seriously, how would he, with no knowledge of the new land, know that what he considers an everyday cold would be so harmful? Hitler, on the other hand, killed intentionally. yes he didnt intentionally killed natives by cold viruses but he intentionally killed one race i forgot the name of the race though but i still think colombus is crueler ... he was a greedy selfish dude. i heard that he chopped of this 5 years old boy just to test if his sword is sharp enough 
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Oct 22 2004, 12:13 AM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(NiKECHiQ @ Oct 21 2004, 11:37 PM) yes he didnt intentionally killed natives by cold viruses but he intentionally killed one race i forgot the name of the race though but i still think colombus is crueler ... he was a greedy selfish dude. i heard that he chopped of this 5 years old boy just to test if his sword is sharp enough  Where'd you hear that?
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Oct 22 2004, 12:55 AM
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 The Return of Sathington Willoughby. Group: Member Posts: 313 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 14,724 |
yeah, that sounds a bit far fetched.
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Oct 22 2004, 02:07 AM
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make me lala Group: Member Posts: 486 Joined: Aug 2004 Member No: 37,831 |
QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Oct 21 2004, 10:13 PM) Where'd you hear that?from my history teacher |
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Oct 22 2004, 09:35 AM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(NiKECHiQ @ Oct 22 2004, 2:07 AM) from my history teacher And where did your history teacher learned that? I don't mean to question his/her credentials, but I would like to read that material, too, and form my own opinions. But YOU should know that during that era, there were many cruelties that were not considered out of the ordinary as we consider them so today. What he may also have been exaggerated through the times as you very well know that it does happen with important figures in history. |
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Oct 22 2004, 03:17 PM
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QUOTE(NiKECHiQ @ Oct 21 2004, 11:37 PM) yes he didnt intentionally killed natives by cold viruses but he intentionally killed one race i forgot the name of the race though but i still think colombus is crueler ... he was a greedy selfish dude. i heard that he chopped of this 5 years old boy just to test if his sword is sharp enough yes, but at least he chopped off his hand rather than his head! think of all the things hitler did- all the races he killed (you are aware he killed more than just jews, are you not?) all the people he killed (even though there were more people to kill then) how hitler organized all those people into killing those other innocent people. there were so many germans who helped with the holocaust. yes, columbus was greedy, but the things he did werent nearly as frowned upon in his day, and there ar many many greedy, selfish people. hitler on the other hand is the epitamy of evil |
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Oct 22 2004, 04:19 PM
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I believe Columbus's men did most of the killings, and Columbus did not do the actual killing himself. I'm not sure though.
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Oct 22 2004, 09:10 PM
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Dark Lord of McCandless Group: Member Posts: 2,226 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,761 |
No, microscopic viruses travelling on Columbus's men did almost all of the killing.
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Oct 24 2004, 05:30 PM
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to hell with you Group: Member Posts: 2,547 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,506 |
why couldnt columbus just leave us alone? if you think about it...we could still be native americans right now. that be awesome.
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Oct 24 2004, 06:05 PM
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QUOTE(aznxdreamer @ Oct 24 2004, 5:30 PM) why couldnt columbus just leave us alone? if you think about it...we could still be native americans right now. that be awesome. Huh? No, you'd be in some corner of Asia apparently. |
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Oct 24 2004, 08:56 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(aznxdreamer @ Oct 24 2004, 5:30 PM) why couldnt columbus just leave us alone? if you think about it...we could still be native americans right now. that be awesome. Uh........... no. If Columbus hadn't made the journey, some other person will eventually have reached the Americas. |
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Oct 25 2004, 03:22 PM
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Seien Sie bitte mein Geliebter! Group: Member Posts: 660 Joined: Aug 2004 Member No: 43,436 |
QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Oct 24 2004, 8:56 PM) Uh........... no. If Columbus hadn't made the journey, some other person will eventually have reached the Americas. I'd have to agree with that. ^ |
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Oct 25 2004, 03:29 PM
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Don't people celebrate Columbus Day?
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Oct 25 2004, 03:39 PM
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QUOTE(xtremeliquid @ Oct 25 2004, 3:29 PM) Don't people celebrate Columbus Day? yes, but that doesnt mean he actually did anything thats worth celebrating. he never even found the mainland |
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