To: the Nice Guys, That Finish Last... Options

[DaTru KataLYST]

Ode to the Nice Guys

This is a tribute to the nice guys. The nice guys that finish last, that never become more than friends, that endure hours of whining and bitching about what assholes guys are, while disproving the very point. This is dedicated to those guys who always provide a shoulder to lean on but restrain themselves to tentative hugs, those guys who hold open doors and give reassuring pats on the back and sit patiently outside the changing room at department stores. This is in honor of the guys that obligingly reiterate how cute/beautiful/smart/funny/sexy their female friends are at the appropriate moment, because they know most girls need that litany of support. This is in honor of the guys with open minds, with laid-back attitudes, with honest concern. This is in honor of the guys who respect a girl’s every facet, from her privacy to her theology to her clothing style.

This is for the guys who escort their drunk, bewildered female friends back from parties and never take advantage once they’re at her door, for the guys who accompany girls to bars as buffers against the rest of the creepy male population, for the guys who know a girl is fishing for compliments but give them out anyway, for the guys who always play by the rules in a game where the rules favor cheaters, for the guys who are accredited as boyfriend material but somehow don’t end up being boyfriends, for all the nice guys who are overlooked, underestimated, and unappreciated, for all the nice guys who are manipulated, misled, and unjustly abandoned, this is for you.

This is for that time she left 40 urgent messages on your cell phone, and when you called her back, she spent three hours painstakingly dissecting two sentences her boyfriend said to her over dinner. And even though you thought her boyfriend was a chump and a jerk, you assured her that it was all ok and she shouldn’t worry about it. This is for that time she interrupted the best killing spree you’d ever orchestrated in GTA3 to rant about a rumor that romantically linked her and the guy she thinks is the most repulsive person in the world. And even though you thought it was immature and you had nothing against the guy, you paused the game for two hours and helped her concoct a counter-rumor to spread around the floor. This is also for that time she didn’t have a date, so after numerous vows that there was nothing “serious” between the two of you, she dragged you to a party where you knew nobody, the beer was awful, and she flirted shamelessly with you, justifying each fit of reckless teasing by announcing to everyone: “oh, but we’re just friends!” And even though you were invited purely as a symbolic warm body for her ego, you went anyways. Because you’re nice like that.

The nice guys don’t often get credit where credit is due. And perhaps more disturbing, the nice guys don’t seem to get laid as often as they should. And I wish I could logically explain this trend, but I can’t. From what I have observed on campus and what I have learned from talking to friends at other schools and in the workplace, the only conclusion I can form is that many girls are just illogical, manipulative bitches. Many of them claim they just want to date a nice guy, but when presented with such a specimen, they say irrational, confusing things such as “oh, he’s too nice to date” or “he would be a good boyfriend but he’s not for me” or “he already puts up with so much from me, I couldn’t possibly ask him out!” or the most frustrating of all: “no, it would ruin our friendship.” Yet, they continue to lament the lack of datable men in the world, and they expect their too-nice-to-date male friends to sympathize and apologize for the men that are jerks. Sorry, guys, girls like that are beyond my ability to fathom. I can’t figure out why the connection breaks down between what they say (I want a nice guy!) and what they do (I’m going to sleep with this complete ass now!). But one thing I can do, is say that the nice-guy-finishes-last phenomenon doesn’t last forever. There are definitely many girls who grow out of that train of thought and realize they should be dating the nice guys, not taking them for granted. The tricky part is finding those girls, and even trickier, finding the ones that are single.

So, until those girls are found, I propose a toast to all the nice guys. You know who you are, and I know you’re sick of hearing yourself described as ubiquitously nice. But the truth of the matter is, the world needs your patience in the department store, your holding open of doors, your party escorting services, your propensity to be a sucker for a pretty smile. For all the crazy, inane, absurd things you tolerate, for all the situations where you are the faceless, nameless hero, my accolades, my acknowledgement, and my gratitude go out to you. You do have credibility in this society, and your well deserved vindication is coming.

Fu-zu Jen
Written for the Wharton Undergraduate Journal

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Just thought we needed some appreciation.

[jnukes]

umm .. kinda got bored after tha 2nd paragraph .. but that like .. describes me though .. haha ..

[DaTru KataLYST]

umm .. kinda got bored after tha 2nd paragraph .. but that like .. describes  me though .. haha ..

you wouldn't get the whole thing till you reach some point in high school..

[sweetdreamsx3]

I read that before somewhere..in a geocities website. HAha. :P

[FLIPxADDICTION]

Nice guys are the best kind of guys out there!

edit_// this topic just reminded me of the song "Nice Guys Finish Last"

[*wind&fire*]

hahha you p***sy's!!

tell them to take life by the balls

[actionrobot_go]

Are you a nice guy?

[largosama]

Thanks to that person

[*salcha*]

nice guys are awesome

[heyyfrankie]

[sandy_lumpy_shor...]

you wouldn't get the whole thing till you reach some point in high school..

lol well maybe hes just a really short freshmen

[WhiteLotus*]

Nice guys are the best kind of guys out there!

edit_// this topic just reminded me of the song "Nice Guys Finish Last"

Yes, they rock./

OH! HAHA!I know! Man, earworm comming!

[misoshiru]

nice guys are the best (:

[*stephinika*]

i the nice guys.

[yukichan]

wow..that was long...but i read the whole thing...nice guys r the best!!!!!

[imafreakinazn]

haha that was cool!
HECK YES NICE GUYS ARE THE BEST!!
the mean guys are just a pain in the butt.

[*Azarel*]

Ode to the Nice Girls
This was written by the girls of D-202 in response to the Ode to the Nice Guys

This is a tribute to the nice girls. These are the girls who are safe. The girls whom guys who have girlfriends are allowed to hang out with because they’re not viewed as a threat. These are the girls who dress respectably . . . they don’t go and get “skank clothes” and parade themselves around, catching the attention of every drooling, testosterone-filled boy on earth. These are the girls who are okay with going to chick-fil-a on a date, hanging out, watching a movie, playing a game, or doing some other low-cost, high-fun form of entertainment. Because after all, it’s really about the quality time that they spend with the guy and not the amount of money that is flowing from his pockets in order to please her every whim and desire (or so he thinks) during the date.

This is in honor of the girls who take the time to ask their guy friends “how’s life?” and to listen carefully when the answer is given. The girls who go out of their way to make cookies or cheer up male friends in distress. Yeah, we know “men are from Mars” and “women are from Venus,” but a simple “thank you” is pretty darn universal.

This goes out to the girls who must sit complacently while their guy friends discuss the “hotness” of the girl at the next table over. They watch as these guys date or lust over each and every self-centered, trashy, insecure, flirtatious, and flighty girl they come into contact with.

When asked, most guys say they would like to date a nice girl. However, when faced with such an opportunity, they claim that “I love her . . .like a little sister” or “there are no such things as nice girls. They’re all evil.” These guys continue to complain about how all girls are “manipulative” and “gossipy” and wonder why in the world they all go to the bathroom at the same time.

But, we must confess, there are guys out there who realize the value of their nice friends who are girls. These are the guys who should be praised for their willingness to go with the flow, hang out, and chill. These guys, however, fail to consider these nice girls as anything more than friends or to step up to the plate and consider them for a Saturday night date or the upcoming dance even though they possess all the qualities that guys claim they are looking for. But, a note to the nice girls. Eventually all guys will (or at least should) realize that they don’t want to have a relationship with a girl who wants all of their money and who will only date them until a guy who is better or more enhancing for her social status comes along. So, until those guys realize what is right in front of them, a word of encouragement to the nice girls. You know who you are, and I know you’re sick of being treated like a doormat. In all honesty, you are valuable. Clearly, you possess qualities that cause your guy friends to want to hang out with you. The world needs your encouragement, your willingness to take part in spontaneous activities, your ability to continue to enjoy life even though you watch as countless nasty, malicious female sirens blind the nice guys with their alluring ways. For all of the random, frustrating, and seemingly non-sensical things you tolerate, don’t lose hope. Nice guys do exist and will someday realize that nice girls, who are not evil, exist as well. Fear not, your day will come. And perhaps your prince will too.

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Should this be put in the writing forum?

[HelloSunshine]

I read both the guys' and girls' one..they're both really true. nice guys certainly are the best.

[Wishful_Dream]

i read that whole thing.. i like nice guys.. ><" i always like them haha.. but i never date them.. ><" cuz ....ya.. it'd ruin friendships T__T" and i'm too young to date anyways =p

[d0rkbaby]

haha from reading these things. they are sooo true. but the funny thing is that its happening both ways. i'm nice to one of my guy friends like that. and he's nice to me by listening to me like that. but then we both only see each other as bro sis type of relationship. everyone always asks why dont you guys go out. shes so nice to you. he's so nice to you. but then our answers are =P " he/she is just a sis/bro to me"

[gelionie]

Wow. I love both of those passages.

[kyuubi319]

I read both and i love both and they're both so very true.
I<3 the often underappreciated nice guys

[innovation]

nice guys aren't appreciated because they're so cliche. seriously, how many of these perfectly nice guys are there out there? it's kind of disturbing; i'd rather date someone who thinks differently; someone with a somewhat unique personality? and no, "unique" does not mean perverted or annoying or jockish. it means the one-in-a-million type. those cliche nice guys just make better friends, 'nuff said. sorry guys. (also, it sort of bothers me that most guys claim to be the "nice, shy guy type." the whole label just doesn't work in most circumstances.)

[Ington]

I'm naturally nice. =\

But after reading these comments I'm not sure if its a bad thing or not.

[Ington]

edit: damn double post

This post has been edited by ermfermoo: Feb 25 2005, 10:02 AM