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ABORTION VERSION TWO
*steve330*
post Jul 14 2007, 03:40 PM
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Yeah it is :) It's sometimes helpful to research something you're debating before you make a stance and are declare something to be fact.
 
illriginal
post Jul 14 2007, 03:44 PM
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QUOTE(steve330 @ Jul 14 2007, 04:40 PM) *
Yeah it is :) It's sometimes helpful to research something you're debating before you make a stance and are declare something to be fact.


Sorry... I don't live in your demonic country thumbsup.gif
 
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post Jul 14 2007, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE(JakeKKing @ Jul 14 2007, 01:55 PM) *
No it's not. Trust me.

He's right. It is their problem. Do something about it, or don't do anything at all and suffer the consequences. I'm not saying that the victim is the one to blame, but they can do something about it. Some people choose not to. Oh, well.

Abortion is wrong anyway. So, don't do it.

I think its easy to say that until you're actually IN the situation. Same thing with abusive husbands.

QUOTE(Tamacracker @ Jul 14 2007, 04:20 PM) *
Gay couples are just a form of population control, scientifically speaking at least, so it's better not to mention them in this. They're candidates for adopting don't get me wrong.

Infertile couples have their choice as well, if they want to be responsible for a child or not.

And no I've never lived in one...

Listen the world can never be perfect. And sadly, a human who thinks it's better to murder a child (who for all we know could have been a scientist for God sake) than to give birth to the child and put him/her up for adoption so that at least he/she has a chance to get a great family.

Could you list me some things that seem so wrong about adoption? And the buildings in which these adopted kids live in? Cuz from what I see... they eat well, they get educated, they go on field trips, they celebrate holidays.




In cases of rape or a threat to life

Some people dont consider abortion murder, because its a fetus. I dont think killing an unborn child is the same thing as killing a infant. The farther along the pregnacy is, the more and more it is like murder... but I still dont think its the same. Especially in the earlier stages of pregnacy, the fetus isnt as aware of its surroundings... and I'm sure it cant feel pain as much as a newborn / baby.

It's still a shame to abort a fetus, because it is still a human life.

And with adoption - that's obviously the better option, but could you imagine how many extra kids would be in the system if abortions were illegal? Not all of them find homes as it is.
 
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post Jul 14 2007, 04:45 PM
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QUOTE(Tamacracker @ Jul 14 2007, 03:44 PM) *
Sorry... I don't live in your demonic country thumbsup.gif


ORLY. Oh wells, I'm quite content living in America. Maybe you're content living where you are. I'll live here any day.
 
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post Jul 14 2007, 04:50 PM
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QUOTE(kimmytree @ Jul 14 2007, 05:06 PM) *
Some people dont consider abortion murder, because its a fetus. I dont think killing an unborn child is the same thing as killing a infant. The farther along the pregnacy is, the more and more it is like murder... but I still dont think its the same. Especially in the earlier stages of pregnacy, the fetus isnt as aware of its surroundings... and I'm sure it cant feel pain as much as a newborn / baby.

It's still a shame to abort a fetus, because it is still a human life.



Hm.... how come in the legal system, if a man shot a pregnant woman (no matter what stage of pregnancy) he is charged with double homicide?

Yeah Steve, I'm really happy where I'm at _smile.gif
 
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post Jul 14 2007, 04:56 PM
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I'm glad to hear :) Where do you live, out of curiosity?
 
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post Jul 14 2007, 09:13 PM
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QUOTE(Tamacracker @ Jul 14 2007, 05:50 PM) *
Hm.... how come in the legal system, if a man shot a pregnant woman (no matter what stage of pregnancy) he is charged with double homicide?

Yeah Steve, I'm really happy where I'm at _smile.gif

I'm not completely sure, but I'm guessing because it wasnt the mothers choice? I'm not sure. Whether the person is pregnat or not, a person deserves to spend life in prison or to be executed for murdering them. So really, the second count of homicide cant really get them more punishment. shrug.gif
 
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post Jul 14 2007, 09:40 PM
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QUOTE(kimmytree @ Jul 14 2007, 10:13 PM) *
I'm not completely sure, but I'm guessing because it wasnt the mothers choice? I'm not sure. Whether the person is pregnat or not, a person deserves to spend life in prison or to be executed for murdering them. So really, the second count of homicide cant really get them more punishment. shrug.gif


True... they don't get the death penalty for 2 counts?
 
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post Jul 14 2007, 11:22 PM
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Many states don't like the whole death penalty thing. We got it in Texas, it's a nice lil deterrent.
 
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post Jul 14 2007, 11:55 PM
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QUOTE(Tamacracker @ Jul 14 2007, 02:50 PM) *
in the legal system, if a man shot a pregnant woman (no matter what stage of pregnancy) he is charged with double homicide?

Is that a fact? Where did you get that from?
 
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post Jul 15 2007, 12:01 AM
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no, it should not be illegal here.


i think that it should stay legal mainly for the safety of women. even if abortion became illegal, women would still try to get them. and without abortion, theyd go to non safe doctors with uncleaned utensils. not only is extrememly dirty, but they can delvelop infections..which wouldnt exactly be great.


and also, with the women who get pregnant from rape..it's not fair for them to live through a pregnancy that was from rape. yes, you can say that they can just put it up for adoption, but most teenage girls dont have the strength or capabilities to endure a pregnancy that goes full term. i, personally would not want to go through 9 months of my life having to think about that rape.
 
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post Jul 15 2007, 12:15 AM
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New official rule of this thread -- you cannot debate here if you have no idea what you're even debating about.

And the whole double homicide thing, it's true -- that's a good question; I personally don't think it should be that way and at the moment have no power to change that, but perhaps it is because they are in essence preventing the fetus from ever living (which is what killing a person is, in all literal meanings), although it is not yet living. It also might depend on how far along the pregnancy is. I know there was that one high-profile case, Scott something killed his pregnant wife or whatever, but she was 8 or 9 months pregnant...I think anyone would consider it a life at that point. It may be the same as abortion (because, in case you didn't know, abortion in America is only legal in the first trimester).

And wait a minute, didn't you say once you were in the Army or something? Marines? As in United States?
 
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post Jul 15 2007, 12:53 AM
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According to him, it's double homocide even if she's only 5 weeks pregnant.
 
*MyMichelle*
post Jul 15 2007, 12:58 AM
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Is it double homicide if there's little spermies in the woman's twat?
 
Rachel
post Jul 15 2007, 12:59 AM
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DUH Michelle, how could you even ask that?!


PS, Rape is totally the victims fault. Dumb bitch shouldn't have been looking like she wanted it.
 
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post Jul 15 2007, 01:00 AM
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QUOTE(Rachel @ Jul 15 2007, 12:59 AM) *
DUH Michelle, how could you even ask that?!

Shit, I'm sorry. Just making sure. :T Gotta keep my facts straight, y'know?
 
*Elba*
post Jul 15 2007, 01:00 AM
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Yeah. Dumb hoes should fight harder to keep their legs closed and not let the rapist get in.
 
*steve330*
post Jul 15 2007, 01:01 AM
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Stupid bitch, teach her to have a vagina
 
*Elba*
post Jul 15 2007, 01:06 AM
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Yeah. Vagina = always expect any penis to get in, even forcibly.
 
Rachel
post Jul 15 2007, 01:07 AM
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Bitch just needs to shut her mouth and take it like a Tama... I mean man.
 
*Elba*
post Jul 15 2007, 01:08 AM
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Or better yet keep their mouth open so he can finish inside of it and all over her whore ass face.
 
*steve330*
post Jul 15 2007, 01:14 AM
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Or ears. I hear ear sex is whats going down these days. I don't think you would need an abortion if you used ear sex.
 
*Elba*
post Jul 15 2007, 01:15 AM
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Wow, so you kill two birds with one stone. Awesome! Get raped in the ear, no abortions.
 
illriginal
post Jul 15 2007, 01:19 AM
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QUOTE(ersatz @ Jul 15 2007, 01:15 AM) *

New official rule of this thread -- you cannot debate here if you have no idea what you're even debating about.

And the whole double homicide thing, it's true -- that's a good question; I personally don't think it should be that way and at the moment have no power to change that, but perhaps it is because they are in essence preventing the fetus from ever living (which is what killing a person is, in all literal meanings), although it is not yet living. It also might depend on how far along the pregnancy is. I know there was that one high-profile case, Scott something killed his pregnant wife or whatever, but she was 8 or 9 months pregnant...I think anyone would consider it a life at that point. It may be the same as abortion (because, in case you didn't know, abortion in America is only legal in the first trimester).

And wait a minute, didn't you say once you were in the Army or something? Marines? As in United States?



I was never in the military... unless you're speakin to someone else. Do you have a post/thread of me making that claim?

QUOTE(Elba @ Jul 15 2007, 12:55 AM) *
Is that a fact? Where did you get that from?


CourtTV.
 
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post Jul 15 2007, 01:22 AM
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QUOTE(Tamacracker @ Jul 14 2007, 11:19 PM) *
CourtTV.

Ooooh super reliable!!
 
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