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fameONE
The title alone should speak for itself.

From time to time, I'll turn on my digital cable box in the midst of my insomnia to find something erotic in nature, or just downright kinky on the major movie channels. Last night, at around 2am, I flip on HBO and found myself fixated on a documentary following the business and girls of the Bunny Ranch in Nevada. I had never even heard of a legal brothel so my jaw dropped. Along with the entertainment, I went along watching this hour long show attempting to morally justify someone's pastor concealing his identity and helping out their business. Being that this country is run by the moral majority, I still tried to way the pros of a possible decriminalisation on a wider scale.

Already there are brothels run legally all over Nevada; Las Vegas (of course), Reno, Carson City, Beatty, Hawthorne, Winnemucca, Battle Mountain, Elko and Wells. If its already legal there, don't you think its just a matter of time before its legal across the country? Imagine driving up the highway and seeing whorehouses instead of XXX Megaplexes.

So, I ask all of you. Do you think its wrong? Or do you think that in this free country a woman should be allowed to sell her body for cash.
[Mediocre]Artist
George Carlin, "Why should it be illegal to sell something that's perfectly legal to give away?"
mzkandi
i personally dont care, putting morals aside, a person has the right to do whatever they want with their body...does this mean i agree with all of this....hell no...but i try not to judge
fameONE
QUOTE([Mediocre]Artist @ Mar 24 2005, 4:24 PM)
George Carlin, "Why should it be illegal to sell something that's perfectly legal to give away?"
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This country is run by the moral majority, therefore, religious right has say-so when it comes to such a controversial decision. I agree with being able to do what you want wiht your body, however, I think its pretty sick for there to be so many Adult Video stores, let alone seeing whorehouses pop up left and right.

Ironically, it'll be the politicians and men of power who argue against this to be the ones to frequent the very brothels they want to get rid of.
mzkandi
QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ Mar 24 2005, 5:38 PM)
Ironically, it'll be the politicians and men of power who argue against this to be the ones to frequent the very brothels they want to get rid of.
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oh so true
OriskybusinessO
being from las vegas myself, i know that prostitution in clark county (where las vegas is) is illegal, but in other counties its legal. im pretty sure that applies to brothels etc. so i prove you wrong, no? but for the rest of your post, i think its fine for people to ''sell their bodies'' as you say. I dont see anything wrong with it, as long as you dont complain about acidentally becoming pregnant, hell id do it too. whistling.gif
fameONE
QUOTE(OriskybusinessO @ Mar 24 2005, 5:01 PM)
being from las vegas myself, i know that prostitution in clark county (where las vegas is) is illegal, but in other counties its legal. im pretty sure that applies to brothels etc. so i prove you wrong, no? but for the rest of your post, i think its fine for people to ''sell their bodies'' as you say. I dont see anything wrong with it, as long as you dont complain about acidentally becoming pregnant, hell id do it too. whistling.gif
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According to this site CLICK HERE, it is legal. EDIT>> for the sake of keeping these forums clean and for kids not stumbling to site for older adults, please do not link to those kinds of sites. what you could do is simply quote from the site. thankies! _smile.gif (uninspiredfae)
Unfortunately, pregnancy is the least of these girls' worries. With the AIDS epidemic engulfing the 18-24 minority population at such an alarming rate, these brothels could serve as a medium for spreading VDs.

Your username is RiskyBusiness. How appropiate for the topic. laugh.gif
ohh_so_elektrikk<3
QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ Mar 24 2005, 5:05 PM)
The title alone should speak for itself.

From time to time, I'll turn on my digital cable box in the midst of my insomnia to find something erotic in nature, or just downright kinky on the major movie channels. Last night, at around 2am, I flip on HBO and found myself fixated on a documentary following the business and girls of the Bunny Ranch in Nevada. I had never even heard of a legal brothel so my jaw dropped. Along with the entertainment, I went along watching this hour long show attempting to morally justify someone's pastor concealing his identity and helping out their business. Being that this country is run by the moral majority, I still tried to way the pros of a possible decriminalisation on a wider scale.

Already there are brothels run legally all over Nevada; Las Vegas (of course), Reno, Carson City, Beatty, Hawthorne, Winnemucca, Battle Mountain, Elko and Wells. If its already legal there, don't you think its just a matter of time before its legal across the country? Imagine driving up the highway and seeing whorehouses instead of XXX Megaplexes.

So, I ask all of you. Do you think its wrong? Or do you think that in this free country a woman should be allowed to sell her body for cash.
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prostitution is disgusting in my opinion. its turning a perfectly natural act, which is sexual intercourse, and turning it into a way to make money. i strongly disagree with women selling their bodies to men. with all the STDs and diseases going around, who wants to spread it?
Sumiaki
Whatever it takes to make money.

Imagine a world where prostitution hits the market. A huge boost to the economy. laugh.gif
fameONE
QUOTE(ohh_so_elektrikk<3 @ Mar 24 2005, 5:30 PM)
prostitution is disgusting in my opinion. its turning a perfectly natural act, which is sexual intercourse, and turning it into a way to make money. i strongly disagree with women selling their bodies to men. with all the STDs and diseases going around, who wants to spread it?
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Finally someone who sees the cons to such degeneracy.
sadolakced acid
if it's legal, it can be regulated. You'd need a 'hooker's liscense'. you'd could have to have weekley medical exams to maintain your liscense. it would be safer than illegal brothels.
OriskybusinessO
oh, well i didnt know sorry, but thanks for leading me to a porn site now my parents can kill me... but that site was for the whole state of Nevada, i dont know if it said brothels were legal in Clark County, because they arent.

CLICK HERE and see they arent...

"Under Nevada law, any county with a population of less than 400,000 is allowed to license brothels if it so chooses [1] (). As of January 2005, Clark County (which contains Las Vegas) is the only county in Nevada with a population of over 400,000, but Washoe County will soon reach that point as well [2] (). Incorporated towns and cities in counties that allow prostitution may regulate the trade further or prohibit it altogether."

I also found this on the 'weekly checks' you mentioned...

"State law requires that registered brothel prostitutes be checked weekly for several sexually transmitted diseases and monthly for HIV; furthermore, condoms are mandatory for all oral sex and sexual intercourse. Brothel owners may be held liable if customers become infected with HIV after a prostitute has tested positive for the virus (NRS 041.1397 ())."
fameONE
QUOTE(OriskybusinessO @ Mar 25 2005, 10:30 AM)
oh, well i didnt know sorry, but thanks for leading me to a porn site now my parents can kill me... but that site was for the whole state of Nevada, i dont know if it said brothels were legal in Clark County, because they arent.

CLICK HERE and see they arent...

"Under Nevada law, any county with a population of less than 400,000 is allowed to license brothels if it so chooses [1] (). As of January 2005, Clark County (which contains Las Vegas) is the only county in Nevada with a population of over 400,000, but Washoe County will soon reach that point as well [2] (). Incorporated towns and cities in counties that allow prostitution may regulate the trade further or prohibit it altogether."

I also found this on the 'weekly checks' you mentioned...

"State law requires that registered brothel prostitutes be checked weekly for several sexually transmitted diseases and monthly for HIV; furthermore, condoms are mandatory for all oral sex and sexual intercourse. Brothel owners may be held liable if customers become infected with HIV after a prostitute has tested positive for the virus (NRS 041.1397 ())."
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Apologies on the website. whistling.gif

Still, the issue stands that there are legal brothels in your state and there is the possibility of this becoming a widespread epidemic across the country in the seedier parts of major cities or on the side of major interstates.

As for the weekly checks, don't you think that there's going to be someone to break the rules? All it takes is one f*ck up and there's a virus going around.
OriskybusinessO
yes, there are legal brothels, but i dont see a problem with it. Read this from the article...

"Since 1986, when mandatory testing began, not a single brothel prostitute has ever tested positive for HIV. The mandatory condom law was passed in 1988."
fameONE
QUOTE(OriskybusinessO @ Mar 25 2005, 10:42 AM)
yes, there are legal brothels, but i dont see a problem with it. Read this from the article...

"Since 1986, when mandatory testing began, not a single brothel prostitute has ever tested positive for HIV. The mandatory condom law was passed in 1988."
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I guess my biggest objection to these legal brothels is how it helps put sex in such a bad light. Its already discouraged by the world we live in, and, quite frankly, I think sex (and the art of it) is a beautiful thing, but thats another topic. The idea of dropping a couple c-notes just to get off just seems... wrong.
racoons > you
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if it's legal, it can be regulated. You'd need a 'hooker's liscense'. you'd could have to have weekley medical exams to maintain your liscense. it would be safer than illegal brothels


exactly. legalizing it means that it can be regulated, both for the safety of the prostitutes and the clients.

it will happen whatever, so the least the 'moral majority' can do is make it slightly less dangerous
ohh_so_elektrikk<3
who wants kids to follow in the footsteps of prostitutues, thinking its the easiest way to make money, just to suck some strangers d**k for some cash... its sick, brothels should be illegal, so they will stop f**kin spreading diseases and shit. of course, they cant stop protstitution, there will always be women who sell their bodies, but why legalize it, and make it okay for such degading acts?
fameONE
QUOTE(ohh_so_elektrikk<3 @ Mar 25 2005, 2:51 PM)
who wants kids to follow in the footsteps of prostitutues, thinking its the easiest way to make money, just to suck some strangers d**k for some cash... its sick, brothels should be illegal, so they will stop f**kin spreading diseases and shit. of course, they cant stop protstitution, there will always be women who sell their bodies, but why legalize it, and make it okay for such degading acts?
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Good point. (Side note: you're so eloquent in speech)

Degrading to whom? The women who make the conscious choice to be a nympho and have sex for a living? Or is it degrading to some kid's father in a midlife crisis who is fed up with the monotony of his own life so he runs to a brothel for some gratification?

About the diseases... did you not read the entire thread? Don't be so uncouth, think about what you're typing.
ohh_so_elektrikk<3
QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ Mar 25 2005, 3:55 PM)
Good point. (Side note: you're so eloquent in speech)

Degrading to whom? The women who make the conscious choice to be a nympho and have sex for a living? Or is it degrading to some kid's father in a midlife crisis who is fed up with the monotony of his own life so he runs to a brothel for some gratification?

About the diseases... did you not read the entire thread? Don't be so uncouth, think about what you're typing.
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lol sorry ill clean it up a little.... its not degrading to women, or men, its degrading to society. why would america want to be known for prostitution, brothels, and sex? disregard the diseases part, i didnt read the whole thread.
Spirited Away
QUOTE(ohh_so_elektrikk<3 @ Mar 25 2005, 4:00 PM)
lol sorry ill clean it up a little.... its not degrading to women, or men, its degrading to society. why would america want to be known for prostitution, brothels, and sex? disregard the diseases part, i didnt read the whole thread.
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i don't think prostitution is wholly responsible for what america is known for... but rather, the entertainment industry and the media are... just my opinion. unless prostitution=entertainment... then idk.
fameONE
QUOTE(ohh_so_elektrikk<3 @ Mar 25 2005, 3:00 PM)
lol sorry ill clean it up a little.... its not degrading to women, or men, its degrading to society. why would america want to be known for prostitution, brothels, and sex? disregard the diseases part, i didnt read the whole thread.
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Yes, yes, our seemingly perfect society is in the crapper for a majority of reasons. Even with the major problems; death, drugs, violence, sexual predators; society seems to be in a morally depreciating state. If this country is run by the moral majority, why hasn't this become an issue?

PLUS... if they have to run these brothels, they could at least do it with some class. Serve up some Moet, play some Duke Ellington and make it an upscale atmosphere. Not faked boobed whores on a ranch in the desert.
mzkandi
yes yes prostitution will become a respected profession....right up there with lawyers, teachers and nurses.....i can see it now...CEO of ALL YOU CAN EAT BROTHEL HOUSE....oh the thought makes me shudder

anyways i do believe in what

"[Mediocre]Artist @ Mar 24 2005, 4:24 PM)
George Carlin, "Why should it be illegal to sell something that's perfectly legal to give away?"

its your body to do as you please, as for me, hell no i aint down with that..period
OriskybusinessO
i dont see anything wrong with it, all the conservative religious think its 'morally wrong' but seriously, ITS JUST SEX... and all the girls that 'act street' are talking about how its so wrong blah blah blah, but they all listen to rap which is soooo degrading to women, kinda of a hypocrite situation there..

im going on spring break tomorrow, so sorry i wont be able to reply to this! trying to get in as much creatblog as possible right now happy.gif
DizBukHahNi
Doesnt this open up the question of exploitation, and sex trafficing?
[Mediocre]Artist
QUOTE(mzkandi @ Mar 25 2005, 3:15 PM)
CEO of ALL YOU CAN EAT BROTHEL HOUSE


Had to laugh at that. Everytime I think of replying to this topic another quote comes to mind. "Women's bodies are their own f***ing business" *shrug* I say legalize it, but with limits. Imagine the businesses you could branch from it. There could be a Prostitute Health Inspector and the chick (or guy) could get a card for all the STD test with a date of when they were last tested (like the Last Cleaning time in some bathrooms).
CrimsonSkyGraphics
I think that's a good idea about the medical testing. I do believe there's actually a place in the world where it 'is' legal..under those limitations. As someone else said, 'who' is it morally degrading to? Okay, true..Maybe it doesnt look so great on society at first, to those who oppose it. 'But'..It can become accepted..And it might be able to stop some of the hate crimes you see out there. It'd make it a lot easier to stop the people who go around killing prostitutes, because they could be easier tracked. Maybe make it so everyone who hires one..and 'is' one, have to keep a log of who they're dealing with.

It can limit the spread of diseases because there can be laws about pracitising 'safe' sex, and you can know if the one you're sleeping with has anything before you do.

Regardless of if it's legal, people will always do it. And people will always disagree with it. Just like 90% of everything else in the world today. Only difference is, there are a lot of people who would do something 'because' it's against the law..To be rebeling.
yourmydream4now
****Regardless of if it's legal, people will always do it. And people will always disagree with it. Just like 90% of everything else in the world today. Only difference is, there are a lot of people who would do something 'because' it's against the law..To be rebeling.***


your right!!! i know now of a bunch of people who are smoking marijauna becuase they think its rebellious becuase it was illegal... even if they didn't like it!!! so same goes to brothels.... many could be going to this to state a rebellion within themselves. Plus if the women or men who are prosituting are being checked on a regular basis then whats so wrong with it? It's like a one night stand with a person u just met! i know that plenty of us out there have done this before! Todays media portrays it as a common thing nowadays. especially in todays music industry, rappers are constantly talking about one night stands and sex. Our society says its okay to have sex now. To them its not a big deal anymore. And its not.... i myslef use to think it was a big thing... until i actually had sex, after that it didn't seem like much. If these women or men choose to act as they will, then thats up to them.... whether they are doing it for pleasure or money, its theres. Many people are doing it for the money though. Many single mothers or just teens... have to go out there and sell themselves to be able to help support there families. Like strippers, they aren't just working for themselves half the time. And if they are doing it for pleasure then why not? As long as they're checked on a regular basis then its perfectly fine. Instead of men or women going out into the dirty streets and doing it somewhere unsafe without protection, they can go to the brothels which are required to use protection and have sex in a comfortable enviroment. its safe! thats the only thing many people are worried about.. is the damage of these brothels... but no ones getting hurt. As long as records are also being kept... then there is nothing to be afraid of! Sex is a beautiful thing.... well... all the sweat and stuff... but its suppoesed to represent soething beautiful... and as humans... we all lust for pleasure! lol.... to be frank....u can't say theres was no time in your life where u weren't horny! its human nature! its how our bodies act! so lets be safe.... brothels are should be legalized! if u wanna talk more about this then.. email me or IM me on aol at lusciouslips1489 or my email is lilvietlover89@yahoo.com the names cici!
tmauze
A woman selling her body to a man is quite obviously her choice, but I can't stand it. Talk about selling innocence and purity. What pisses me off the most though is when women say that they "were driven to do it because there was no other way to make money." Goodness, get an education. Even without an education there is always an alternative! My gosh that bugs me.
fameONE
QUOTE(tmauze @ Apr 10 2005, 8:28 PM)
A woman selling her body to a man is quite obviously her choice, but I can't stand it. Talk about selling innocence and purity. What pisses me off the most though is when women say that they "were driven to do it because there was no other way to make money." Goodness, get an education. Even without an education there is always an alternative! My gosh that bugs me.
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Amen to that.
starlette
to me, as a woman, I think things like that make it harder for us. If there are women out there that guys can legally go buy some from, there are more diseases, and when we say no, men know that have another option. And I guess, thats just something else for a poor 18 year old runaway to get swept up in cuz she doesnt want to go to school and get a real job. It sounds too impossible so she decides to sell something easy instead. Go watch the movie monster. It scared me. I could never sell sex. Its like, once you get in, its damn near impossible to go clean.
heyyfrankie
i think that is wrong and down-right nasty. i think that prostitution is wrong in itself but having the prostitutes available in designated buildings? that just seems inhumane. =/
i am completely against it.
gOODpIRATE
well, people have the right to do whatever they wish with their body. its their's. they own it. i dont exactly agree with it, and i would never do that with my own body of course. i dont want to say that it is wrong, and who ever does it is horrible because i dont know the different crap that person has been through in life, and why it is infact they do it, you know what i mean?
Weird addiction
I think it's a slutty job BUT it IS a job. If you feel comfortable doing it, then why not...afterall it's just sex...
fameONE
So could ho'ing and stripping be placed in the same category?
Weird addiction
QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ Apr 15 2005, 12:38 AM)
So could ho'ing and stripping be placed in the same category?
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No! stripping is different, you aren't having sex...nor selling your body...you can't compare those two jobs...
fameONE
QUOTE(sandra6645 @ Apr 16 2005, 3:17 AM)
No! stripping is different, you aren't having sex...nor selling your body...you can't compare those two jobs...
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Actually, you are selling your body.
Weird addiction
Showing off your body isn't the same thing as having sex for money. Strippers dance and show off their bodies for money. Unlike hoes, they'll sleep with you for cash...
fameONE
Women are objectified either way.

With prostitution, the act of sex itself is sold for profit.

With stripping, the appeal of sex by way of nudity is sold for profit.

The connection between both is the lack of intimacy in jobs that seem ok when people do their best to justify it as exploring your freedom.

What if you had sex with so many individuals that you lost count? What if the majority of those individuals treated you like 3/5ths of cowshit just so they can get off while "you're just making your money?"

What if you're on top of a stage stripping and someone you love and respect (older family member, teacher, etc) saw you doing your job while dozens of horny men screamed vulgar and profane things at you and throwing you moeny like you're no more than a 'charity whore.'

They are in the same boat.

EDIT// This is my 400th post!//
mzkandi
QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ Apr 16 2005, 9:32 AM)
Women are objectified either way.

With prostitution, the act of sex itself is sold for profit.

With stripping, the appeal of sex by way of nudity is sold for profit.

The connection between both is the lack of intimacy in jobs that seem ok when people do their best to justify it as exploring your freedom.

What if you had sex with so many individuals that you lost count? What if the majority of those individuals treated you like 3/5ths of cowshit just so they can get off while "you're just making your money?"

What if you're on top of a stage stripping and someone you love and respect (older family member, teacher, etc) saw you doing your job while dozens of horny men screamed vulgar and profane things at you and throwing you moeny like you're no more than a 'charity whore.'

They are in the same boat.

EDIT// This is my 400th post!//
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I agree. But woman choose to do this remember! Some actually enjoy it and dont do it because there is a need for money. One of my best friend's cousins is a stripper and the girl has money. She likes the attention and since she is popular in the Orlando area the pay is good. Some of the females know they have family and friends that care for them and want to see them do better but they still do it anyways either for the need of money or for sheer enjoyment. I try my best not to judge but its hard not when they could be doing so much better. And what about male strippers? They exist to ya know.
Weird addiction
From the dictionary

A stripper: dancer who provides erotic entertainment
synonymes: bump-and-grinder, burlesque queen, ecdysiast, exotic dancer, lap dancer, peeler, stripper, striptease artist, striptease dancer, stripteaser, stripteuse

Prostitute: loose woman, degrade self, abuse, call girl...etc
synonymes: abuse, cheapen, corrupt, debase, debauch, demean, deprave, devalue, misapply, misemploy, misuse, pervert, profane, vitiate, wench, whore.

And you say they are in the same boat?
fameONE
QUOTE(sandra6645 @ Apr 16 2005, 8:40 AM)
From the dictionary

A stripper: dancer who provides erotic entertainment
synonymes: bump-and-grinder, burlesque queen, ecdysiast, exotic dancer, lap dancer, peeler, stripper, striptease artist, striptease dancer, stripteaser, stripteuse

Prostitute: loose woman, degrade self, abuse, call girl...etc
synonymes: abuse, cheapen, corrupt, debase, debauch, demean, deprave, devalue, misapply, misemploy, misuse, pervert, profane, vitiate, wench, whore.

And you say they are in the same boat?
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How can you be so naive as to even believe that a dictionary definition can settle this? Nice try, though.

Yea, abobut male strippers Kiera, my friend is a stripper at Hard Bodies and he watned me to audition. Some days he likes it, but for the most part, its pretty hard on his psyche. He feels degraded, but also felt like he has to do it.
Weird addiction
QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ Apr 16 2005, 6:30 PM)
How can you be so naive as to even believe that a dictionary definition can settle this? Nice try, though.

Yea, abobut male strippers Kiera, my friend is a stripper at Hard Bodies and he watned me to audition. Some days he likes it, but for the most part, its pretty hard on his psyche. He feels degraded, but also felt like he has to do it.
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The dictionary gives the REAL meaning of striptease and prostitution, now adays people just assume they are the same...they aren't...

I want to be a stripper (that's why im emphasizing on this), that doesn't mean i'm selling my body...i'm not going to have sex with those watching me...
KELLYYY
Psh, and they call America a free country. Yeah, right. Look at Mexico, they're free, right? mellow.gif Anyways, if America is a "free country", then wouldn't we do almost anything we wanted to? I don't think prostitution is wrong. I just feel sorry for the horny guys out there who can't get some but have money.
sadolakced acid
prostitutes sell sex.
strippers sell the alure of sex.

both use thier body

both use thier body sexually to get money.

one just goes farther.
fameONE
QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Apr 16 2005, 7:31 PM)
prostitutes sell sex.
strippers sell the alure of sex.

both use thier body

both use thier body sexually to get money.

one just goes farther.
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Thank you.

I thought I was crazy for a second for seeing that.
lilliannnn
i think it should be legalized. we were talking about this in school the other day.

i mean, really, its the girl (or guys, i guess) body and they should be able to do whatever they want with it.
fameONE
I see your reasoning but I can't help but find the ironic humor when reading "i'm not a whore."
Weird addiction
QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ Apr 18 2005, 3:48 AM)
I see your reasoning but I can't help but find the ironic humor when reading "i'm not a whore."
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Prostitutes ARE whores...strippers aren't whores, they are erotic dancers...there's a difference.
fameONE
Ok, well then you have fun collecting crumpled up singles off the floor.
mzkandi
QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ Apr 19 2005, 1:30 PM)
Ok, well then you have fun collecting crumpled up singles off the floor.
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damn brandon its like that....

paris hitlon says: "thats hawt, now work that corner bish"
actually i dont think she did say that, i got it from one of my friend's xanga

but anyways...

my stance is this...females do with your bodies as you please. I dont support or like females and males who have sex for money. I would never want to be a stipper because I find it rather degrading. But that is just me. And I understand perfectly that is not the way everyone thinks. If a female wants to make a living stripping whether she has to for the need to finanically support herself or because she likes the attention, whats that have to do with me. As far as prostitution goes, this to me poses a greater threat. There is a risk of getting deseases passed around. I have been reading through this forum about how if it was legalized it could get regulated more with health screens and such, but we all know there will always be people that wanna break the law.
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