i hate rap

i agree its all the same
ill fight rap fans or rappers anyday
ALL BOUT METAL AND HARD ROCK

\m/ <(>_<)> \m/ ROCK ON

i hate rap

How exactly is this debate?
What are we gonna debate about how "phat" tupac is since he's 1st in your list?

- Moved to Entertainment -

- Chinkieeyedpnoi <-- shot Tupac.

i agree its all the same
ill fight rap fans or rappers anyday
ALL BOUT METAL AND HARD ROCK

\m/ <(>_<)> \m/ ROCK ON

ya'll 'er all buggin'

first of all, Tupac and Biggie are two of the most overrated MC's of alltime because of their death. God rest their souls but that whole ish is bullsh*t...... there's two other MC's that get half the recognition but are better than both...

Big L and Big Pun are both sicker lyrically and their delivery's are just as sick.......

half the people on ya'll lists shouldn't even be there....

I study hip hop and am a MC not far from gettin' signed... so I'll break it down for ya'll......... aight, here we go:



1) Eminem: lyrically, he's thee most incredible MC. From rhyme pattern switches to his ridiculous use of syllable rhyming to his punchlines back in the day ("Ya ass forgot / 'n in case you don't remember me I'll run ya brain around the block ta jog ya f**kin' memory"). His wits are out of this world and his battle tracks are crazy (Peep: Bully, Nail in the Coffin, I Remember, Quitter (the last three are three of the greatest diss tracks ever IMO)).... Plus he's a brilliant story teller (even though twisted plots. Peep: Stan, As the World Turns, Guilty Conscience, Brain Damage, My Fault, Jealousy Woes, and more)

And yes, his delivery and flow was offpoint back in the day but he's perfected a delivery where his vocal tones switch up between bars and has this crazy rapid delivery that's almost unmatchable.....

SONGS I RECOMMEND: Scary Movies feat. Royce da 5'9, Bad Meets Evil feat Royce da 5'9, Brain Damage, second verse of 313, Just and Still Don't Give a F**k, Rock Bottom, Renagade (they spelt it wrong - two versions (the original's with Royce da 5'9 and other version's with Jay-Z), The Way I Am, Stan, Marshall Mathers, I'm Back, Who Knew (all of the Marshall Mathers LP except Real Slim Shady recommended), White America, Cleaning Out My Closet, Square Dance, Sing for the Moment, When the Music Stops, Say What You Say, 'Til I Collapse, Fight Music, Shit Can Happen, Devil's Night, Shit On You, Words Are Weapons, These Drugs, Lose Yourself, 8 Mile Road, Rabbit Run, I Remember, Quitter, Dead Wrong Remix (where he makes Biggie sound like an amateur), Off the Wall feat. Redman, Nail in the Coffin, the rhyme he spit over the Mobb Deep - Got it Twisted beat on the Tim Westwood Show, 3 Verses, Don't Push Me, Patiently Waiting, Nuttin' to Do feat. Royce da 5'9, Real 911, Desperados, What the Beat feat. Method Man and Royce da 5'9, Forgot About Dre, What's the Difference, Stir Crazy feat. Madd Rapper, and more)




2) Copywrite: ya'll probably never heard of this guy unless your a backpacker or listen to a lotta underground. This guy's on the verge of getting signed to the ROC. He's another CRAZY white MC from Ohio. Can't say as much about him as Em cuz his catelogue is a lot smaller but out of everything I've heard, he's remarkable. HANDS DOWN, the best punchline spitter in the game.

EXAMPLES:
"Holler b**ch lane merging / I'm like a med. school scholarship
, for free I'll change a lame virgin to a brain surgeon"

"Doing shows, screwing hoes on their back / Shoot a load like I squeezed rounds at the Laundromat
"

Not many guys can keep up with this guy....

Plus, his syllable rhyming is also ridiculous. Can rhyme 9 connected syllables and bring it back the next bar ta spit a line that rhymes the exactly same 9 syllables. Basically meanin' you're rhymin' a phrase.... that's what syllable rhyming is if ya'll don't know.

instead of basic sh*t like majority of rappers rap (cat, bat, at-tack, slap, mack, dap, black, hat, cap, rat)... it's more like, spittin'~a~rhyme, rippin'~ya~spine, didn't~align, etc

SONGS I RECOMMEND
Just cop the High Exhaulted album... though he's underground, you might be able to find a copy at a music store.... there usually is only like 1 or 2 in the rack but just check it out.......
Won't Stop from Eastern Conference Allstars, Jeah, the song Eastern Conference Allstars

he says: "Bad boy with a long barrell dass all narrow / Shyne behind bars like Ja-mal~barrow" don't know how many of ya'll gon' understand that but dass ridiculous!




3) Pharaohe Monch

His career got messed up when he dropped Simon Says because he got killed about that song. The funny thing about that is that the rest of his album (Internal Affairs) was a classic. Lyrically, he's phenomenal with a use a wordplay, wits, and intelligence. His extensive vocabulary has the average listener lost at times but he's still sick.

His story telling ability is just ridiculous (Peep: Stray Bullet where he describes exactly what happens as a bullet comes out of the barrell of a gun and the journey of a bullet as it goes through the air. It's so ridiculous!)

His delivery? I think he's got the hottest voice in hip hop cuz iss like a baratone echoing deeply, so smooth. He's a conscious rapper that uses wordplay, kinda like Common but much more lyrical. His syllable rhyming is good, his hooks are amazing, and so are his messages in most of his songs. He has reason for his songs, unlike 90% of rappers today. No bling bling, I got do', guns, and sh*t like that. It's more songs like Agent Orange (A MUST LISTEN - some of you G-Unit fans mighta thought it was their beat but it's actually his and they just spit over it)

Rawkus was his label and now the rumors are he's goin' to Shady Records. DAMN RAWKUS! That's who I was looking to sign with and then they go bankrupt and I find out they really don't pay their artist. Well, all the better....

He's not for the "teeny bopper hip hop listeners"... he's for people that wanna listen to deep rhymes, intellectual songs, and just a SICK MC.... no gimmicks to sell like 95% of rappers.... I doubt he'll succeed in the mainstream business (though I hope he does) but ya'll should definitely give 'em a listen......

SONGS I RECOMMEND:
Right Here (SICK), Behind Close Doors, Oh No with Mos Def and Nate Dogg, No Mercy feat. MOP, Hell feat. Canibus, Official, Queens (soulful beat, sick song), The Ass (funny song... LMAO), The Truth feat. Common and Talib Kweli (CRAZY SONG - one of my favorites of alltime), The Light, What is the Law, Stray Bullet, Ghetto World, Last Days (crazy song about a guy that comes back in time from a period about the end of the world warning us for what to expect.... ANOTHER ONE OF MY FAVORITES OF HIS - CRAZY!), Talkin' to You (on Black on Both Sides - Mos Def's album) feat. Mos Def and Rah Digga (best female MC IMO), Agent Orange, The Invincible feat. EPMD and Ras Kass, One Love feat. Rah Digga, Common, Talib Kweli, Kool G Rap, Shabaam Sadeeq and Mos Def, F**k You, I Shot the Mayor, Livin' It Up, Ya'll Know the Name feat. X-Ecutioners, Purist Breed feat. Canibus and Ras Kass, Street Smarts

there's more but too much to name in the short career he's had so far




4) Crooked I
Another underground cat that just left Tha Row (formerly Death Row)... now has his own label called Dynasty Records....

CRAZY CRAZY MC. His syllable rhyming is one of the best and his rapid, furious flow is just outta this world. His recent works are starting to prove he wants to have a more conscious side. The best MC from the West Coast by far IMO

I don't even need to say anything about him.... just peep something of his and you'll know exactly what ah was talkin' about....

his old sh*t has 7 day beats (weak) but listen to him on some hotter ish...

SONGS TO PEEP:
Rhymes on Wakeup Show - over Grindin' and the other one where he was on with Chino XL....

HERE'S A SOUNDCLICK WITH A LOTTA THE RECENT STUFF ON IT....
4) Crooked I
Another underground cat that just left Tha Row (formerly Death Row)... now has his own label called Dynasty Records....

CRAZY CRAZY MC. His syllable rhyming is one of the best and his rapid, furious flow is just outta this world. His recent works are starting to prove he wants to have a more conscious side. The best MC from the West Coast by far IMO

I don't even need to say anything about him.... just peep something of his and you'll know exactly what ah was talkin' about....

his old sh*t has 7 day beats (weak) but listen to him on some hotter ish...

SONGS TO PEEP:
Crooked I Songs Link^^^

go there an peep some of that.... you'll know what I'm talkin' about




5) Rakim Allah
This du's a hip hop God. Him and Kool G Rap were two of the first to insert syllable rhyming into rap and also implemented the rapid flow in to rapping. Everyone before him had done the, spit a bar, pause for a while, spit a bar, then pause for a while.... over and over again......

Lyrically he's CRAZY!!! But regardless, the main reason he's 5 for me is because the impact he has had on hip hop...... he has many old classic albums (with Eric B) and still proved he can hang with the best of 'em delivering a ridiculous verse in the Watcher 2 feat. Hov and Dre on Blueprint 2....

"I'm "Rated R," my brain contains graphics thangs
It turn traumatic teens into addicts, and fiends
It's like, watchin a movie through a panoramic screen
Which means, I can see the whole planet in the scene
Cash is the topic, the object, a fatter pocket
Some take the crack and chop it, but those that haven't got it
take away the added profit, it's catastrophic
I take the gat and cock it, and I'll sit back and watch it
These New York streets is ugly, I keep it gully
The world is mine and can't nobody keep it from me
Yo, my neighborhood is never sunny
In the place where the number one cause of death is money
You can try copin
I've seen enough shit to leave your frame of mind broken
I'm still alive and scopin
Be another hundred years 'til my skies close in
And I'ma die with my eyes open, the watcher"

He's the idol of many of your favorite rappers and he's one of the rappers that some of ya'll favorite rappers learned how to spit a complex verse.... nothing more to say...

this guys catelogue is too enormous and phenomenal so just peep any of his earlier works.... Paid in Full, Follow the Leader, and the 18th Letter are all classic albums.... peep 'em

my final 5 will come in the near future.... Hope you had fun being school on some ish here for those who actually read this...

i hate rap too =x it makes me feel ucky.

1. 2 Pac [ truly the greatest ]
2. B.I.G [ his songs actually talks about his life]
3. Eminem [ the best white rapper ]
4. Twista [ the fastest rapper i noe]
5. Nelly [ one of the best rappers ]
6. P Diddy [ a bad boy for lyfe ]
7. Chingy [ he is truly the jackpot]
8. Mase [ came with a come back]
9. Jay Z [ all his songs flows ]
10. Lil Jon [ haha wut can i say about lil jon jus great lol...]

Kanye West should be on everyone's top 1

they are not in order...they are just names
Eminem
Jay-Z
Kanye West
Chingy
G-Unit
Dr. Dre
Obie Trice
Big Tymers
Twista
Ludacris

im not countin tupac cuz hes not alive

it's not opinion... it's fact because rappin' is more technical than the average person thinks....

they didn't have the technical things down.... I'm assuming you're mostly a mainstream listener... that's why mainstream rap, at least 85/90% of it sucks right now....

cuz nobody knows what hip hop as a culture/rapping (the skill) is about....

and you said you loved Pac and Biggie even when they were alive....  timeout, this isn't about who's your top 10 favorite, iss about who's the top 10 best

they probably were two of the most loved and influencial because the love they received but they STILL didn't receive half the love until they were murdered... they weren't proclaimed the best of alltime 'til they were murdered either

listen to Dead Wrong remix feat. Eminem.... Eminem clearly makes Notorious sound like an amateur... his syllable rhyming is ridiculous in that song... his delivery has less holes, just straight up nonsense

and as I said, this is about the top 10 best, not top 10 favorite.... that's not my list for favorite either because my favorite list goes differently...

1) Em
2) Talib Kweli
3) Copywrite
4) Pharoahe Monch
5) Royce da 5'9
6) Hov - Jigga - S dot Carter - Jay-Z
7) Mos Def
8) Fabolous (his mixtape sh*t is crazy)
9) Common
10) Rakim

How exactly is this debate?
What are we gonna debate about how "phat" tupac is since he's 1st in your list?

- Moved to Entertainment -

- Chinkieeyedpnoi <-- shot Tupac.

PENtheINSTRUMENT, we have to realize these people are more into commerical rap since it's more accessible and more appealling, than into straight hip hop.

Most of these people probably like the music that they can dance to and not the intellectual stuff. They don't really care about the word play, similes, metaphors, alliteration, punchlines, storytelling, etc. and this is most likely the reason why metal/rock fans hate rap/hip hop.

Anyways, my top 10 MCs/groups in random order.

1. Immortal Technique
2. Sage Francis
3. Big Pun
4. Eminem
5. Sticky Fingaz
6. The Fugees
7. Vishiss
8. Talib Kweli
9. Mountain Brothers
10. Chino XL (still "new" to have though)

It's really hard for me to pick a top 10, there's too many good ones out there. There's also a lot of rappers I'm trying to find out about.

PENtheINSTRUMENT, we have to realize these people are more into commerical rap since it's more accessible and more appealing, than into straight hip hop.

Most of these people probably like the music that they can dance to and not the intellectual stuff. They don't really care about the word play, similes, metaphors, alliteration, punchlines, storytelling, etc. and this is most likely the reason why metal/rock fans hate rap/hip hop.

Anyways, my top 10 MCs/groups in random order.

1. Immortal Technique
2. Sage Francis
3. Big Pun
4. Eminem
5. Sticky Fingaz
6. The Fugees
7. Vishiss
8. Talib Kweli
9. Mountain Brothers
10. Chino XL (still "new" to have though)

It's really hard for me to pick a top 10, there's too many good ones out there. There's also a lot of rappers I'm trying to find out about.

I remember that >< And I shot you, haha.

How bout top 5. (I'm lazy)
5)Rakim
4)Sugarhill Gang (it's the hip hop...it's confusing)
3)Run DMC
2)Biggie
1)Tupac

And it's so cute how you guys have 50 and Chingy and Em in there. They are sh!t compared to the people in my list. old school > new school. Fabulous?! Man you guys must be around 11...with out Rakim and Sugarhill you would have no Em or Fabulous. They didn't make history (well maybe Em but it's different.). Haha you youngins' (youngin- someone who doesn't know about the game) =)

wrong. it's the best rappers IN UR OPINION! get it straight...everyone thinks differently and have different tastes. u can't convince someone to think the same way as u. be a lil open minded and have more respect for other pplz opinion, not just urs.

and as for that, I am open minded.... VERY, but if someone is COMPLETELY WRONG then I'ma correct them... I've proven why also the lists are completely off.... best rappers in your opinion is a very broad statement BUT there's technical stuff about MCing (AS I SAID BEFORE) and most of the guys named don't have any of 'em down....

It would be like someone naming the top 10 best cars and these people are naming one's that they like and then some car expert comes in and tell's them why those cars either suck or are worse than others.... most of the guys listed on mosts people's list suck, PERIOD

well u sure don't sound like ur open minded. u said if we were to talk about the 10 best cars, an expert would tell us what cars are the best. an expert meaning a reputable mechanic or a body man right? but who r u to say who are the best rappers? r u a reputable MC or producer? no ur not, ur just like anyone of us. so before u criticize other pplz tastes, u need to calm down and check urself. i really dont mean to sound like a bitch, but i can't stand ppl who arent open minded.

I study hip hop... and lyricism. I'm an established MC from Jerz dass gotten props from Record Labels execs, specifically Rawkus Records (where Talib Kweli, Mos Def, Kool G Rap, Skillz, and more were signed to)...

I'm workin' on a demo right now and have had people from Harlem, Newark, Amboy, New York, and other places wantin' ta work with me including a guy named Krumbz that has a buzz all around Jerz and New York....

and umm..... who am I ta criticize peoples' tastes? someone who knows a lot more about hip hop and MCing than anyone at this board..... so I have every right to tell people when they're wrong in this department

oh yeah, and I met Memphis Bleek (Under the ROC - Jay-Z's label) last summer in Brunswick 'n told 'em I'm workin' on gettin' signed... I got his personal office number 'n he told me to call 'em when I finish muh demo 'n he'll sit 'n peep it....

ummm... I feel like that's enough...

PayCe ~1~

haha that's great...but ppl are not gonna call u an ESTABLISHED MC until ur f*ckin famous, so until then...u need to step down and stop criticizing other pplz opinions...and that's great that ur soo cocky to say that ur the most knowledgeable person on this board about hip hop...i dont mean to burst ur bubble, but i dont think anyone here gives a sh*t...we like our top ten rappers...

Cool, you know Krumbz, I think he's tight. What's your name and artist name?

He hangs around the D12world.com boards and allowed people to download his album. He also put some unreleased stuff on his soundclick page.

His song Abeecee'z is an amazing song.

BTW, trying to convert these people to actual hip hop would be a tough feat. I have a friend who I always, ALWAYS try to introduce him to new music but most of the time, he's say it sucks. I can't believe he loves the Big Tymers...over The Roots.