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smile4me
Should the drinking age be lowered in the United States?
I think no.
teenprincess
No. is it going to be?

People drink illegally anyways, though.
pandamonium
no, i think it should be hired. some people out there are irresponsible ... im not saying that everyone 21 is irresponsible but they just dont drink wisely. and people below the age 21 drink illegally its soo easy to get alcohol its crazy.
ryfitaDF
i think there should be no laws prohibiting drinking, or any drugs, and i think that MTV and movie studios should stop portraying drinking as the cool thing to do. no laws involved, just good ol' common sense.
jambaJUICE
^ I agree.

The way it is right now, is so abused.
If i were to go to a party with friends, at one point there'd be some use of alcohol or marjiuana. Haha.

But I'm straight. :]
smile4me
but if they had common sense, wouldn't they not drink even with the law there?
jambaJUICE
QUOTE(smile4me @ Dec 6 2004, 12:36 AM)
but if they had common sense, wouldn't they not drink even with the law there?

Well duhh.
Its the fact that they'll do it, as long as they don't get caught.
sporadic
The law says 18 because that's when your liver is fully developed and can handle the alchohol without damage being done. (Not that damage isn't done anyway)


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*ahem* Wrong bad habit. I mean 21. Now I don't know what I'm talking about.
Mr. Psychotic
I say the drinking age should stay the same....
ComradeRed
The US is the only industrialized country with a drinking age, and we area also the only one with a drinking problem. Coincidence? I think not.

Almost everyone will drink alcohol at one point in their lives...if they start as children, it's better that it be legal so they learn to drink responsibly instead of binge drinking so that nobody will find out from cans of beer they have stored around.
ryfitaDF
QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Dec 6 2004, 7:13 AM)
The US is the only industrialized country with a drinking age, and we area also the only one with a drinking problem. Coincidence? I think not.

Almost everyone will drink alcohol at one point in their lives...if they start as children, it's better that it be legal so they learn to drink responsibly instead of binge drinking so that nobody will find out from cans of beer they have stored around.

wurd.

plus, in germany it's seen as a dishonor to be drunk, but over here it's the initiation for being "cool".
tweeak
QUOTE(sporadic @ Dec 6 2004, 1:09 AM)
The law says 18 because that's when your liver is fully developed and can handle the alchohol without damage being done. (Not that damage isn't done anyway)

no it doesnt, the law says 21 blink.gif
moorepocket
NO! what do we want to die early. As much as i like to drink, i would like to wait instead of dying early.
angel-roh
No! I don't want no teenagers drinking beer illegally at High School. That's BS! I want the drinking age not to be lowered! That will be messed up. They should learn their lessons. Well um... some adults that are over 30 can be dumb enough to take care of their ownself while drinking and driving. But still, I still recommend that drinking age should not be lowered.
Tung
it really doesnt matter whether it should be lower or raise. because the same people will still be drinking .
Yemmerz
No, you're 21, people should have enough common sense to know how much to drink by then.

People get drunk, that's their deal. Most of the time when someone is harmed from a result of drinking it's their fault.

They should get more cops out there watching those damn drunk drivers.
ComradeRed
QUOTE(ryfitaDF @ Dec 6 2004, 4:21 PM)
wurd.

plus, in germany it's seen as a dishonor to be drunk, but over here it's the initiation for being "cool".

You've got to be kidding. Germany is world famous for its beer and beer-drinking songs.
sporadic
QUOTE(tweeak @ Dec 6 2004, 4:34 PM)
no it doesnt, the law says 21 blink.gif

>.< I was thinking of smoking?

Hehe, sorry. whistling.gif
Sumiaki
I think it wouldn't make it worse to lower the drinking age. Because most people think getting away with things, such as drinking illegally, is so much more fun then having the ability to drink already. People with their licenses know what I'm talking about. You're so excited to get your license and everything, that some of us just drive with our permit by ourselves(which is illegal). But then once you get your license, it's fun for only about a month then you get bored and tired of it. I also find that our country has the biggest drinking problem and we are the only ones with a drinking age, to be ironic. Lets face it, laws are meant to be broken.
sadolakced acid
the drinking age is 18 on military bases
ryfitaDF
QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Dec 6 2004, 9:22 PM)
You've got to be kidding. Germany is world famous for its beer and beer-drinking songs.

well then maybe not germany, but somwhere in europe.
Statistik
Most of the people dont get caught..well for those idiots who dont care about their life..and drink like when they're driving and stuff they can..especially high school/college students
aznxdreamer
no. tehres already too many people that die from drinking.
kryogenix
the problem isn't with the law.

it's with the attitude of the people.

in europe, alchohol is used during conversations; consumption is for social purposes and (from what I hear), it is done responsibly. can you believe that the drinking age in the Netherlands is lower than the driving age (not entirely sure of this fact, I have a friend from there who says drinking age is 16, driving is 18)

in the US, it's all about getting wasted, chugging as many beers as you can, funneling grain alchohol down your throat and throwing keg parties.

obviously, I'm stereotyping, but obviously, if American teens had the same responsible attitude towards alchohol, it would not even matter what the drinking age was.
ComradeRed
American teens are basically forced to binge drink by the law. It's much easier to avoid getting caught binge drinking then having a six pack at home for gradual consumption.

There is no drinking age in Germany, France, Spain, Portugal, and Romania for sure (or China), and I don't think there is one in most of the rest of Europe iether.
smile4me
Legal Drinking Ages
http://www.icap.org/publications/report4.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_drinking_age (<-- theres an external link on the bottom of this page which leads to another page stating legal drinking ages for countries)

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miss barnes
i think its fine where it is...
kryogenix
QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Dec 7 2004, 10:07 PM)
American teens are basically forced to binge drink by the law. It's much easier to avoid getting caught binge drinking then having a six pack at home for gradual consumption.

There is no drinking age in Germany, France, Spain, Portugal, and Romania for sure (or China), and I don't think there is one in most of the rest of Europe iether.

American teens are not forced to drink, period. American teens who disobey the law see binge drinking as a much more logical choice, but they shouldn't be drinking in the first place. If they didn't drink (or drank moderately, like wine at dinner parties), wouldn't that make things better?
pandamonium
QUOTE(kryogenix @ Dec 8 2004, 5:10 PM)
American teens are not forced to drink, period. American teens who disobey the law see binge drinking as a much more logical choice, but they shouldn't be drinking in the first place. If they didn't drink (or drank moderately, like wine at dinner parties), wouldn't that make things better?

i totally agree with you but theres still the issue about the liver still being under-deveolped.
ComradeRed
QUOTE(kryogenix @ Dec 8 2004, 5:10 PM)
American teens are not forced to drink, period. American teens who disobey the law see binge drinking as a much more logical choice, but they shouldn't be drinking in the first place. If they didn't drink (or drank moderately, like wine at dinner parties), wouldn't that make things better?

They can't moderately drink because it's easier to get caught, as I've explained unrefuted earlier.
iheartjohn
QUOTE(smile4me @ Dec 5 2004, 10:30 PM)
Should the drinking age be lowered in the United States?
I think no.

What does it matter, anyway? People drink illegally. In fact, more teens drink illegally than adults do.
pandamonium
QUOTE([f)
eleeza,Dec 8 2004, 8:02 PM] What does it matter, anyway? People drink illegally. In fact, more teens drink illegally than adults do.

adults have the option to drink... its legal for them to drink lol just wanted to correct you on that note.

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its not going to be lowered no matter what ... and if teens really want to drink that badly, then there must be somethign seriously wrong with them


there is nothing wrong with them.... its everyone else. Teens start to drink because they are depressed/upset/peer-pressured/curious to do it. i know i tried cause i was curious how it felt... and so many teens do it cause they are peer-pressured then they start to like it. so its not somthing wrong its just the other things that affect them.
HelloSunshine
Of course not...21 is young enough _unsure.gif
Kriegsgefangene
QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Dec 7 2004, 10:07 PM)
American teens are basically forced to binge drink by the law. It's much easier to avoid getting caught binge drinking then having a six pack at home for gradual consumption.

There is no drinking age in Germany, France, Spain, Portugal, and Romania for sure (or China), and I don't think there is one in most of the rest of Europe iether.

Technically, there is. The age of 16.

But, like I was told, if a kid can reach the dollar slot, and get a beer from the machine, they won't care.

Edit:

And with the mentality of not being able to drink unti you are 21, compells people to want to do so more. Sort of a reverse psychology.
PurchasedRebellion
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!! The drinking age in France is friggin' 16 (I think, or is it 15?). >.<

If you can legally take care of yourself at the age of 18, you should be able to drink legally at that age as well.
lovescream
no.. no lowered.
drinking is bad for your health...
and can kill you.
it's for y'all's safety.
if someone chooses their path to growing up
to drink, that's their problem to disobey the law.
laws are there to protect you, for you own safety, but some of'em just cross
the line.
smile4me
the US has already tried teh age of 18.
that led to a huge amount traffic related crash fatalities.
they raised the drinking age, and the number dropped considerably.

adolescents can become addicted to alcohol more easily than adults.
adolescence being "the period of physical and psychological development from the onset of puberty to maturity"
this would be roughly between teh ages of 10 and 19. the brain is not fully developed yet, and addiction, as previously stated, is more likely compared to a fully grown adult.

lowering the drinking age would just make it easier for ppl.

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And with the mentality of not being able to drink unti you are 21, compells people to want to do so more. Sort of a reverse psychology.


But if we lower it, that reverse psychology will then be placed on an even younger group.
teeners4
well what is it now? isnt it like 19? or 21? well i dont know. haha but lots of teenagers drink illegally anyways. actually a lot of preteens drink illegally anyways _dry.gif not me though *goody good*
inthemudhole
I personally think it's fine where it is.
When you're 21, you're pretty much "an adult" now.. so you SHOULD be able to make your own decisions wisely.. yet not all of us can be wise even at that age. I think it has to do with maturity more than age.

But it's fine where it is. You don't want little kids drinking what they please.
Kriegsgefangene
In Europe, they let the children run free, drinking as they please. But-

They cannot drive until they can afford driver's ed. Which is terribly expensive over there. I had hear it to be around as high as 2,000 euros.

So.. If you can Drink and Not drive, or Drive, and then go out partying drinking.. all that crap...

Which is safer?

Having some kid, sloshed on the side of the road.. or a bunch to stupid drunk driving kids?
sammi rules you
*cough* germany's law is 16, driving is 18.

my french teacher said they introduce them to drinking earlier so they are used to it and aren't getting so drunk by the time they drive, but i dunno if that's true.

just saying. cause some people are saying different things.
smile4me
QUOTE(Kriegsgefangene @ Dec 12 2004, 8:43 AM)
In Europe, they let the children run free, drinking as they please. But-

They cannot drive until they can afford driver's ed. Which is terribly expensive over there. I had hear it to be around as high as 2,000 euros.

So.. If you can Drink and Not drive, or Drive, and then go out partying drinking.. all that crap...

Which is safer?

Having some kid, sloshed on the side of the road.. or a bunch to stupid drunk driving kids?

theyre both bad. and thats why the law is fine where it is..
Kriegsgefangene
QUOTE(Vaguely Aware @ Dec 12 2004, 11:44 AM)
*cough* germany's law is 16, driving is 18.

my french teacher said they introduce them to drinking earlier so they are used to it and aren't getting so drunk by the time they drive, but i dunno if that's true.

just saying. cause some people are saying different things.

I have the same teacher as you, but TWICE IN A ROW :P.

she is cool.

French 2 and German 2/3.

Easy stuffs.

Yeah. Drinking is around 16 in Europe and Asia, for the most part.

And they don't seem to have too many deaths by cars related to drunk driving.

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lovescream
QUOTE(teeners__15 @ Dec 12 2004, 1:48 AM)
well what is it now? isnt it like 19? or 21? well i dont know. haha but lots of teenagers drink illegally anyways. actually a lot of preteens drink illegally anyways _dry.gif not me though *goody good*

totallyyyyyyyy.
they're bad!
haha... drinking.. i bet they're doing that to be "cool"
bleh.. of subject.
i think it's perfectly fine the way it is.
if it was lowered, more peple would freely drink and people would die more easily because of drunkness.
and if it's raised up then people would still die because everybody basically drinks illegly [sp]
smthngcrprategrl34
the thing is they can't really say people this age will be able to be responsible with alchohol (sp?) it's the attitude, responsibility and maturity of the person.
shortiiex
no..........but no one cares, everyone is drinking at age 15
dafunnybunny
i think the age should be lowered to 18. thats when u can go into the military. and if you are old enough to kill, then you should be old enough to drink
hi-C
QUOTE(kryogenix @ Dec 7 2004, 9:37 PM)
in europe, alchohol is used during conversations; consumption is for social purposes and (from what I hear), it is done responsibly. can you believe that the drinking age in the Netherlands is lower than the driving age (not entirely sure of this fact, I have a friend from there who says drinking age is 16, driving is 18)

I've heard the same thing. Italians, in particular, introduce their children to wine at a young age as to give them an appreciation for it.

Also, I personally think underage drinking a reverse psychology type of thing; the reason why teenagers drink is because it's against the law. If the law made it so that teens could drink, it wouldn't be taboo, and no one would want to drink that much in the first place.
Kriegsgefangene
QUOTE(MissMata @ Dec 12 2004, 6:47 PM)
I've heard the same thing. Italians, in particular, introduce their children to wine at a young age as to give them an appreciation for it.

Also, I personally think underage drinking a reverse psychology type of thing; the reason why teenagers drink is because it's against the law. If the law made it so that teens could drink, it wouldn't be taboo, and no one would want to drink that much in the first place.

That is basically what I had posted up there, a bit ago.


Yes.. the drinking age is younger than the Driving age. They would rather have some kid sloshed on the pavement, than a bunch of them driving around drunk.

My German/French teacher had spent a couple years in Europe, and had also been an exchange student.

She knows all about it.
sadolakced acid
well, if kids are accustom to drinking before they are driving, will not they be more responsible drinkers?
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