- Mona Lisa

That administrator is me, by the way. (OMG BR ADMINISTRATORZ IS POSTIN HERE SO IMMATUREZ). I figured it was time for us to have another chat, since I'm stuck taking out your trash, again. Per the usual. I fully expect this thread to be flamed, which is fine. I'm going to make my point very concisely and very elegantly, try to do the same. Don't be angry, I'm not. I'm as calm as a hindu cow. I'm just fed up.

Recently, I've had to deal with yet ANOTHER cB member deciding it would be fun to spam my boards, and once again, I've had to ban ANOTHER cB member for general jackassery of the 1st degree.

Now Mona Lisa, again, I would like to stress a simple point: I am fully able to control my members, and therefore, they do not come to cB to spam because they're bored or retarded or whatever cause is behind cB members spamming BR. It's rather absurd for you to say "I don't see any of it [hostility] from this side," when you know damned well there is.

I ban an average of 10-15 cB members a month from BR, not because they're on BR - don't get me wrong, I love the traffic, and most are good intentioned enough - but because they think it's funny as hell to come to BR and spam, advertise, and be general nuisances.

Hostility towards BR? http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...6798&st=250

Contrary to what some may think, I passed kindergarten, and learned to read. Now, I'll give one hundred dollars to ANYONE who can find ANY such feelings on BR. We don't like you, and we're intelligent enough to know we don't have to point it out.

.fire, http://blogring.net/forum/archives/97742-i...tml#post2002836 is why you got banned.

We don't ban people because we like to. We ban people who break the rules of the site. Don't think we tolerate your spam or advertising. Don't think you get banned because I run a crew of communists. If you get banned, you get banned because you think spamming or advertising is funny. Well guess what, you're not funny, and you're not clever. It makes you a boring loser and people hate you.

- Mona Lisa

Our warning system is actually quite complex. We can warn, give infractions, suspend points, lower reputation, ban, suspend, and do many other creative things which I designed in my little server shop of horrors. We can also do many more positive things.

We have a pretty clearly defined set of rules. If you have 1-10 posts on your account, and you spam, generally, it will be me that will ban you outright because you're not contributing to my site in any productive way, you're just being an idiot. cB would do the same.

If you advertise ANYTHING that's for personal gain, and not in the links forum, I will generally ban you outright as well.

As far as people coming to BR with genuine opinions and points of discussion, I never ban people. Instead of spamming "LOL CB ROX U SUX0RZ", if someone came to BR, posted a thought out thread about the superiority of cB, and stayed to chat, I wouldn't ban you. I'd refute, of course, but you wouldn't be banned. I encourage dissenting opinions.

- sofakinglazy

I'm sure there is more to it than that. If a moderator banned you, there is a reason. Don't act innocent.

- a painefull euphoria

Even if I discounted spelling and grammar, this definately should get an award for "Most ignorant and generally stupid post ever."

There was a never an abuse of power on BR, I would know, because I control all the powers that be on BR. In fact, please, illustrate where this has occured. I'm dying to know.

cB probably "fucks" with people way more than we do. Though I wouldn't know...I generally keep to myself and my own business. I'd be quicker to chide your "staff" as well. You have some good mods, and more bad mods. You elect through popularity contests and your mods fail, time and again, to prevent you from spamming up my boards. Mona Lisa, by not taking any responsibility for the actions of your members, and for ignoring obvious issues we have with each other, you only show your own irresponsibility. I don't know about you, but I'm trying to run a serious site and a serious business. Either get with the program, or "gtfo" as they say.

As for a "booming" site, true, BR had a rough spell. But we're already back to outranking everyone else on pretty much any popular xanga/myspace related search hit, and now that I'm finishing up cleaning up my 2nd generation BR design, our hits are increasing dramatically. I found where cB had linkbacks on BR, and I deleted them all. In fact, I cut BR from cB in every way, shape and form. I don't know why, but we were one of cB's biggest hit and link sources. Clever, but not clever enough. But it's okay.

Oh, and to prove my point, D e a t h . S t a r . R a v e n won't be banned on BR. Because again, I don't ban for arbitrary reasons.

.fire, I know you apologized, and I appreciate it. I really do, it shows a lot of maturity in your case...I know from experience, it's not always the easiest thing to own up to mistakes. Kudos to you.

But you're still banned. And you've done a pretty good job of further deteriorating my paitence towards cB. If you want to come to BR, and contribute, you're welcome. Hell, you're welcome to come, and not say a thing at all, if you wish. But don't come and decide you want to break my rules. I don't care if one of you does it, or all 250,000 of you do. I'll ban you all just the same, not because you're from cB, I honestly don't know where you come from 99% of the time, but because you're being dumb.

Now, either leave BR and myself alone, or let's be friends. But make up your mind, and quit wasting my damn time.

Imagine what we could do for each other if we actually worked together, or affiliated, or what not. I'd like that. But instead, you continue to perpetuate stuff like this.

Calm down, I was being sarcastic. Although I was warned twice for "one word" responses. But, If I did somehow upset you in anyway, I am sorry.

whoah this is some interesting stuff. I didn't know things like this happened.
But yeah people are people, and some tend to act out of disrespect. I can understand how you would want the admin of this site to take action. But maybe a matter like this should've been kept between admin to admin. Though you have your points. but you can't assume that your thread will be flamed. not everyone here in cB is that heartless.

Lol cB is too laid back for us.

I had considered this, T0rmented, but unfortunately, anything done in private, is just that - private. Posting things in public ensures that I am held accountable for anything I say, as well as other parties. This is the best guarantee I can think of that ensures EVERYONE gets a fair say in the matter, and then they are held to what they say. And I do entertain thoughts anyone may have in private as well, if they wish to go that route. If they do, all they need do is IM or PM me, and I'll keep it private. Again, it's a good thought though, and I wish it could be done that way, but as an individual and a proffesional journalist, I'm a strong believer in public record. :)

And just as an aside sofakinglazy, it's impossible to do one word responses anymore. You can't post if you don't make a minimum word count now.

I find that offensive, as I am Hindu.

I won't question why you have BR set up the way you do and you are free to ban whoever and however you wish.

No, cB would not do the same. Members aren't banned if they only have a handful of posts and spam. If it's repeatedly done, however, they will be warned and suspensions and bans will be carried out if the situation is extreme. But that rarely occurs. So unless you're talking generally about punishment, no, cB would not do the same.

I didn't know you kept tabs on us. So tell me, what "popularity contests" have you seen during hiring sessions here? There's a reason why someone is hired and why another is not. A thread for member input is always made and sometimes, it seems as though members suggest their friends based on friendship rather than good candidacy, but it doesn't mean all current mods will agree to promote him/her. Someone is promoted if we see good in him/her but if they fail to keep to their duties, they are asked to step down. Still not understanding the comment about popularity contests.

I apologize if you're looking for those members who spam BR to be punished but I will not ban anyone who does so. It is my responsibility to watch over cB, not BR. I should have asked .fire to stop spamming on BR and so I apologize for not doing so. But I don't go asking members to spam BR for the hell of it so I don't think I should have to do anything more than that. It is the member's responsibility and freedom.

It was and is Ju-Sun's view that we not affiliate with anyone. Since this issue has been brought up in the past (about another forum, so I'm not sure if affiliation with BR has been brought up), I am certain of this. I don't have a problem with affiliation but I'm also fine with Ju-Sun's stance on this.

I don't know any of the technical details or anything about the linkbacks but if affiliation has crossed your mind, then why do this?

Then you should grasp the concept behind the quote, and not be offended.




You pretty much said exactly what I said using different words. So cB would do no different than I, or my staff would.




Well, I'd be kind of foolish not to watch my biggest competition, wouldn't I? And I've actually been a cB member for more than a year, contrary to this particular account I'm using. One only has to quietly observe the process you use to select your mods to really see it for what it is.



It's become pretty clear you won't punish your members, your lack of control is evident every time I have to deal with the re-occuring situation. And if it's your responsibility to watch over cB, then it is your responsibility to watch over your members. It's not that you ask members to spam BR, that's not the problem -

The problem is you do nothing, absolutely nothing to stop them. And doing nothing is the same as condoning it. And saying you don't have to deal with it is no excuse, because, guess what, I do.



Because, asking me for linkbacks is one thing. Arbitrarily recieving them is another. I'm not really one for goodwill for all and handouts, as such, had you asked to be kicked back on links using BR, I would at least have had a choice in the matter. Getting them anyway is just sneaky and underhanded. At this point, I'm not interested in affiliation, because there will come a point where cB will be an irrelevancy to BR.

But until that time, control your messes, and your immature members. They make ALL of you look bad.

this is so silly
cb does just fine for its self
it doesnt have control over any member that goes to br and posts "dumb" things that make them "losers" that "nobody likes".

the way mods reinforce their rules is fine, it keeps out major conflicts and the community continues to grow with good people which make up the general public you are aiming this at.

i dont see how the admins can know exactly how br acts towards cb members that pull pranks on yourf forums unless they lurk around as you do here, but to me they just seem to be forming their own opinions. i dont see how that bothers you so much to make it such a public issue along with a rant that most of the people here cant control.

also, your accusations are false about the modding system
i'm a former mod and i was hired for my abilities and dedication. i wasnt popular and im not social with very many people on cb yet i made it onto headstaff hmm..why? because i was good at it.

there are going to be problems and there are going to be people who try to go about expressing their opinions in the wrong matter but thats no reason to insult them like you did in this post and act like we all owe you something, especially being in a position of power on br. this just makes for a bad example on that whole forum

Have you ever taken into consideration that it could very well be their opinion and not just spam? I honestly don't believe it's the fact that you have control over your members. That's obsurd to think that. We can't control what every single member does outside of cB, nor can you control what yours do outside of BlogRing. It's simply the fact that your members can't really say anything about this site. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not justifying of members doing what they've done but for us to give disiplinary actions because of what our members have done outside of our control is stupid. Sure, we can ask them not to, and I encourage them not to, however, it's a matter of if they will listen or not. You make it sound like our members are a bunch of savage immature children. That's not the case. Our members don't feel confined here. They feel like they can have fun and, generally, say whatever they want without having a rein of mods all over them. We don't ban everybody and their brother for breaking a few rules. We use banning as a last resort because we want to encourage our members to post here. Maybe that's the secret to success. We know when and when not to draw the line. Our members seem to be very satisfied with the way we do things around here. Sure, there are some that have problems, but we respect that and take it into serious consideration and I believe they know that and respect us more for it.

Mona Lisa may not have seen the hostility. The topic of BR rarely ever comes into discussion. I doubt Mona is observing BlogRings every move. There's really no reason to. Again, we have control over our members here, not what they do outside of here. It'd be a little power hungry for us to do so. Mona is in no way irresponsible. She is basically the heart of this site. I don't know where you got on that kick, but I take that personal. BR is far from perfect itself and if you think having absolute dominance over your members and controlling everything they do is a way to run a site, more power to you. That's probably why we have more members. We don't do that. We have rules here and we enforce them well, but the way we do it seems to be catching on just a tad bit more, wouldn't you say?

Well, not to be rude, but that was about as half assed of an answer you can get. Don't beat around the bush here. Mona asked what "popularity contests" have you seen during hiring sessions here. Either answer it or don't bother trying to avoid it. I really don't see where you got this anyway. Our hiring sessions are very thorough. I was hired fairly new. I had left cB for a year for personal reasons, only being a member a little before that year brake, and I got hired. I wasn't popular in the least bit, but I proved I could do the job. And bad mods? What bad mods? Go ahead, name some and actually give valid reasons. If your going to make accusations, back them up. It makes you look false for not doing so.

And yet you fail to illustrate any of your accusations. Oh, and "occured" is spelled occurred.

Anyway, I'm in school right now, so I can't really reply like I want to, but don't worry, I will definitely get back to you. Bottom line is that you stick to your site and we'll stick to ours.

Damn, BR, you have way too much time on your hands. But whatever makes you happy, kid.

Why would you spend time to leave BR to tell us our cB members aren't behaving like you like them to at BR? Our mods don't have control over the members outside of cB. Use your common sense

THESE ARE JUST FORUMS PEOPLE.

I'm glad to see that things are better for you at BR than before.

I do not think that it is necessary nor prudent for me to rehash what has already been said. I will, however, stress one thing: We cannot control what people do at other sites. Surely you know that.

You needed to get something off your chest, and you did.

As an administrator of a Forum, you can exercise the power that you have and continue to ban those who you feel violate your Forum.

Best of luck.

I'm all for forming physical friendships from online communities, but really, this is just the internet, BR. It's not that serious. Don't lose sleep over such petty and trivial things. You're obviously not an idiot, but sometimes its best not to impose intelligence through stoic argument (or try to) and to just use some common sense and let things go.

How's Michael doing anyway?

what rachel said. ITS ONLINE. dont take it so seriously. and wow.

Hm. Putting my two cents in. Choose to read it or not.



I honestly respected you for putting your opinion out on the table, but this turned me off. Saying something like that is, in my opinion, is absolutely ignorant. You should've chosen another "quote" to try to prove your point in this topic. "As calm as a Hindu cow" was a poor quote to choose from and I think that you are smart enough to know that you should have known better.


Actually, as Mona Lisa said, no. Createblog has their own way of handling its members and also has their own set of rules. Also, I know (from being a former mod) that createblog would not "ban members outright" for just having 1-10 posts on an account with spam. I know for sure that cB has its own warning system and it is for mods to decide what they would do for a member if they ever broke a rule.


If you have a problem with the mods, take it to the Moderator Performance topic in feedback. As for the modding process, the entire community (meaning its members and staff) generally elects the mods they want, and that is what makes the forums happy. Sure, cB does not choose "good mods" every time, but why does every modding process have to be absolutely perfect? Experience with former mods and members is what a forum needs for guidelines and examples. And popularity contests? I think you should try going through the process of electing mods here at cB first before saying something like that. Otherwise, you can shut your mouth about that topic. You do not have the place (actually, nobody does) to choose an exact right or wrong way of how to elect mods and how they do their job.

Createblog has no control over its members and you can do whatever you'd like to them at blogring. If the members and staff team is so bad here at cB, as Brendon said, back it up. You act as if everybody at createblog wants to bash BR in every way. I can honestly say that probably more than half the members here don't even care. The old cB vs. BR feud was over a long time ago.

That's all I have to say.

seriously. do you have to make such a big deal about it?

It's all about pride.

Fed up with cB not being able to "control" its members? Might as well be fed up with the police not being able to prevent all crimes or catch all the criminals. Well, if you are, I don't blame you, but I would smile at how small the world is in your eyes. It seems the time you took to be "concise" and "elegant" should have been invested in reorganizing your common sense.

While I understand your upset at a few cB members for abusing their welcome at BR, the situation can hardly be anyone's fault except for those who chose to be spammers at your forum.

Since you presented a problem that cannot logically be said to be anyone's fault (you're welcome to argue this because you seem to think Mona or admins are to blame), maybe you could explain what you would do in Mona's shoes? And if you would have liked to see these spammers punished though, I think you could have tried a different tactic, that is, a less accusing one.

Okay, sofakinglazy is just dumb sometimes and a painefull euphoria is pregnant, single, and not receiving child support.


Seriously though...this is just going to lead to more problems, because I know for a fact theres other forum members who would love to join the forum hi jack team.

We're all fun and games here at createblog, You're way too serious, do you get paid for being Admin? Is that why this is soo SUPA DUPA IMPORTANT TO YOU?

Fun and games at createblog?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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that's so funny.

... i must reluctantly agree with you.

Well, I don't get paid, but I'm definitely dedicated to this site. I love cB. A forum should be made to be a place where members can have fun. Not be oppressed by mods. That's not our job. We're here to watch you and make sure you follow the rules, but there's a difference in being a leader and a tyrant.

This is somewhat entertaining.

Yep, this is just a forum.
And we don't control our members. That would be infringing upon their Consitutional rights

I don't see how mods are selected by popularity, either. Sure, at cB we ask for member input as to which people are potential candidates, but it's not the only deciding factor. We won't select incompetent people just because their friends said they would be great for the job. It's important to select staff based on dedication and capabilities, but if you're a community-driven site, what's the use of having mods that the community doesn't support?





Okay, that is ridiculous beyond the point of comprehension. You complain that our members are rude? You come to cB, telling us our members are immature and offensive, and then insult people's religions? I don't see how one could possibly "grasp the concept behind the quote" and not be offended. What kind of puerile "concept" do you see in that? Sure, spamming for the sake of irritating people is pretty immature, but insulting people's religions is just inane.



Brenden is right. Judging from the link that Rebecca posted, and reading through that whole conversation (pretty pathetic, hmm?), BR sounds controlling. I don't have any influence on the way you run things, but really. Step back and look at your situation. You have members leaving BR to come to cB, and why is that? It's not because of our members going to spam your forums, it's because they don't like the way you run things. Taking your drama from BR and dragging it over to cB isn't mature. Especially taking the time just to come over here, and attempt to turn our minds against Mic and Jamie. You can't just judge people from rumors you hear. I'm not taking sides, I'm just disturbed by the fact that your "friendly" mods came over to cB just to insult former members who perhaps just wanted a break from BR. No, you're not them, but if you're taking the actions of a few to judge all of us here at cB, how does that reflect on you?

should we get hijack ready?

Lol People are people. People can freely express them selves. If people feel that way about BR sure then why not express it. Here at cB people enjoy them selves. Make new friends. A happy community/Forum Mods here are great. and the People are wonderful. No one controls one another but every one respects the rules, and if they don't they well the pay the consequences.
I can aggree with the others here, your Rules over there may seem overwhelming and unfair. Don't be so limited and restricted. People don't like being around that kind of crowd. Loosen up. A forum is a forum. What point are you trying to prove.

Remember when I got an entire dorm to join the 'Free BrandonSaunders' campaign?

I can organize that sort of chaos for BlogRing if need be. Would it be immature and childish? Of course it would be! Would we all get a laugh out it? Yes. And I'd promptly end it with making this so-called moderator look like a jackass.

But its just a thought.

If this were combat, we wouldn't have an issue at all.

No, that would be foolish and put flame to their fire. Just cool it. That's the best way. Please, don't give them any more reason to come over here and bother us.

lol cB is a great forum. and we have many talented people here. Like designers that attracts people here. people like their designs so they want to join our community, which is awesome. and full of uhhhm the special zing to it. lol

technically if someone came to BR to do what they wanted as they were also from cB, wouldn't it be the own persons responsibility for being a retard, not cB's? Because cB never told anyone to go over there and spam, so in reality you can't blame cB.








Pwned.

I'm going to try stay out of this, but I cannot help point out that cB members have suggested that our modding methods were little more than popularity contests before.

Also a bit amusing how cB is "a great forum" when you have to defend it, but the rest of the time you complain about it being bored and whatnot.

Just saying. I've little pacience for hypocrites today.

Createblog is like the United States.

We're always griping and complaining about our government and it's methods, but in reality, it's one of the best places in the world to live. When people insult us, or kill thousands of people, all of us ban together and defend our homeland.

Kinda of a drastic comparison, but true none the less.

you have a good point digifrag

to you guys saying "its just the internet": the internet is a big part of my life. my bf hates it and thinks its stupid but he cant grasp the concept that places like cb helped me learn alot of things which will have a bigger effect on my life other than personality and having a good time in my spare time.

No, not that drastic. I was kind of thinking the same thing as I typed it. However, that sort of thing annoys the hell out of me anyway, so meh.

And Heather, I agree. It's really bothersome how overused "it's just the internet" is overused when convenient for people.

But don't mind me, I'm pretty ticked off right now from completely irrelevant things.

I agree. The internet is a powerful medium. It's a place where you can express yourself, be heard out, acquire knowledge, kill some time, and all in all, it's a very effective business tool for people who do that kind of thing.

True, it's probably not too healthy to take the internet too seriously, except maybe if it really is that significant to you (I'm thinking mainly career-wise), though it's not "just the internet."

^^pretty much, im glad people agree ;o;

when you start hurting yourself or getting physically sick over shit like this then maybe you can poke fun at the people getting all into the topic.

other than that it just irritates me that people will come into a thread just to say its just the internet so they feel they have properly flamed everyone


and nate(god i hope thats your name, i know ive talked to you before but im not sure its right) you're right its way too overused -_-;

Why don't we just make this easier for everyone. The strongest fighter of BR and CB come to NYC and duke it out. That way everyone's happy! I've perfected Raikiri.

I'm bored and sleepy.

Unless micron comes back, I root for the destruction of both.

WOW, lawlz man, just chill.

yes we need some kind of extremeeeee sport here to solve the dilema

Wow. So people really do these kinds of things. Hmm, I feel ashamed. The fact that we have people that go to another forum, and just say random/offensive things. Wow. Speechless

I'm not going to really say anything for either side, since as a member of both sites, I can see both perspectives.

However, I would like to add that on Blogring, we do not ban for silly reasons. In the past year and a half that I've been a moderator there, few people have ever been banned, and they have all been banned for good reasons. Opinions, no matter how ignorant they sometimes are, are always encouraged. We do, however, have to draw the line somewhere. Rules are rules, and that, I'm sure everyone can understand.

I definitely hold no hostile attitude towards cB, especially since I have many friends here, and I hope none here are ignorant and foolish enough to hold grudges against me for being a proud member of Blogring.

Cheer up, everyone. :)

im just going to reply to this.


BR is making this even worse by complaining here about it. Admins, just ban them from BR. It's that simple. You don't have to come here to complain, as you might be provoking the members even more to go over to BR and spam.

And if you said "it's just the internet," then why do you spend hours on work to showcase here on the forums without pay?

I'm not defending any side or siding with anyone. :)
when's the hijack?

Unless someone else said something about overused, I'm Nicki :waves: I guess you just hadn't been here since I changed usernames?

And Christine, I think you missed part of the point.

My thoughts exactly. This is exhausting.

Also, Mic, I don't mind that you've come here to share your thoughts, but I don't feel that there's anything wrong with the systems we have in place for discipline and hiring. I don't think that's the issue here, but I don't see why we can't try to help out if that's what you want. Maybe we could punish people who are proven to have come there from here the same way we would if they were to spam on our forums?

You guys are making a really big deal over hiring process, mods, etc.

That was maybe 5% of my original post, and I don't know why you guys feel the need to vehemently defend cB, unless it's a twange of guilt. Again, in case any of you missed:

My purpose here is NOT to bash cB.

You're calling me rude and childish, which is fine, I expected that. I'm listening to the people that are legitimately arguing my points, and some of you argue very well, and I thank you for the thought.

But before I say anything else, for the handful of you who are saying

"OMG WTF TEH INTRAWEBS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS! WTF WHY IS THIS SUCH A BIG DEAL TO YOU DO YOU GET PAID OR SOMETHING OMG?!"

First, it IS serious business. It's serious business because, like the creators of cB, I've poured thousands of hours into the site, and, on my end, I know we've spent close to twenty thousand dollars in the past six months in hardware, firmware, code, back end, and front end upgrades. It's still a mess because we're not done, but it will look real nice when it's fixed up.

So yes, it's serious business. It's serious business because I have a fat wad of change and time in my site, so you'll have to excuse me if I roll my eyes at these comments. Unless you've taken on the monumental task of running a site like myself, or your mods and admins at cB have, then you really have no idea.

Although I've read two pages of 75% slander, some of you have seen past any indignation and anger to cut to the heart of my matter here.

Libertie actually summed it up in the last part of her post:



That's all I'm asking, really. If I had BR members who blatantly came to cB to spam and cause havok, and if someone came to me and asked for help, you'd bet your ass I'd jump on it. Not because I like to punish people, but because it's the right thing to do. It's common courtesy. I don't see what's so unreasonable about doing this.

I think we've rather balkanised the situation, and it's something that's occured on both ends. Let's remember a coulpe things:

1) Other than my members typing in www.blogring.net, and you guys typing in www.createblog.com, we are exactly the same people. Both our sites members fit roughly the exact same age demagraphic, have the same interests, and generally are posessant the same personality traits. Had Mona Lisa came to BR, and posted exactly what i did here, the reaction, too, would have been the same.

2) Although feuding is all well and good, let's remember one thing. We sit at the top of a very large pyramid, and they're are a thousand other sites snapping at our ankles to try and topple us. Search anything myspace/xanga related, you're going to see two sites predominately:

Blogring, and Createblog. Do you know how hard we BOTH worked to get there? How hard it's going to be in the future, with the rising popularity of personal pages and blogs, to STAY there? We're on the top of the food chain, we can both take pride in that. But if we waste our time battling each other, you can also bet there will be scavengers and bottom feeders waiting to rip us apart.

3) Again, what I'm asking is not unreasonable. I'm not pointing a gun at your head and demanding you do this and not expect the same from myself. If there are problems, they need to be worked out. Talked out, discussed. Instead of arguing for pages, which I don't have a problem doing but don't see a point end, let's discuss the problem before us, and word on a legitimate solution, thusly shaking the foundations of the internets. Because I'm fairly sure working together has never been done online.

I'm just asking for the spam to stop. Some people here want to do it, I'm sure, they want to come to BR just to stir the bad air.

- BrandonSaunders

This is pretty much indicative of the attitude that shouldn't exist. Brandon, you'd be better to act as an example to your peers rather than some engine of havok. People would like you more, I would like you more, cB and BR would like you more, and you wouldn't make people think you were 12. And I'm not a "so-called moderator". The so-called moderators work for me. Thanks. ;)

It's the attitudes like this that don't exist on my site. Why? Because we encourage an atmosphere of acceptance. If every member of cB, like I said, came to BR with good intentions, they'd be welcomed with open arms.

Quit turning this into a "save teh respectz of cB" thread and let's treat it for what it really is:

I have a grievance, I need your help to work it out. I. Need. YOUR. Help. I can't do it on my own, that's why I'm coming to you.

But for those of you who aren't wanting to do that, who have just jumped the shark with the defense:



Mirrored my thoughts.