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Global Warming, the real deal, or propaganda?
kimmytree
post Mar 29 2007, 03:43 PM
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With our nation's politics so split, it seems like just as many people that believe in Global Warming think its a lie. What are your views on it? Are we really damaging our Environment with our huge production of carbon dioxide? Or are scientists and enviromentalists simply exaggerating?

I was flipping through my Chemistry book today in class, and found a very interesting section on Global Warming. It's an A Beka Book, published by a Christian college... last updated in 2000. I completely disagree with what the book says, but I thought it'd be interesting to share and debate on. _smile.gif

Global Warming
Recently, some scientists have speculated that mankind's production of CO2 (from fossil fuel combustion, agriculture, and cement manufacturing) may significantly enhance the greenhouse effect, causing average global temperatures to rise. Although man's annual contribution of CO2ot the environment is far smaller than nature's (roughly 7 billion tons vs. 200 billion tons), these scientists worry that this small increase may cause unpredictable changes in the global climate. Environmental activists have gone much further, predicting global flooding, disease epidemics, mass famine, and even the extinction of the human race if drastic action is not taken to slash CO2 emissions.

Earth's climate history
Actually, mankind's effects on the global climate are probably far smaller than some would like to think. Although the earth's climate is not well understood, the science of climatology has shown that the earth's climate tends to fluctuate over long term cycles. For example, between AD 900 and AD 1100, a period climatologists call the Medieval Climate Optimum or Medieval Warm Period, global temperatures are thought to have been significantly warmer than at present. The weather was so mild that grapes and citrus fruits were grown in England; the Vikings established successful farms and colonies in Greenland; and the Anasazi Indians built a large agriculture-based civilization on the Colorado Plateau (which was then characterized by a warm, moist climate). By the 1300's, however, global temperatures dropped sharply, plunging the world into a period called the Little Ice Age. The Vikings' crops and livestock in Greenland began to fail, the colonists died, and the island became covered with ice. Widespread exhaustion and malnutrition due to poor weather and crop failures left Europe vulnerable to huge plague epidemics that killed millions of people. Cooler, drier weather on the Colorado Plateau spelled the end of the Anasazi civilization in America, while at the same time the Thames River near London froze over in the winter with ice thick enough to support annual "ice fairs." In the years to come, the unusually cold winters would cause great hardship for early American colonists. About 1850, the climate began to warm once again, gradually ending the Little Ice Age; by the early 20th century, citrus fruits were being grown in the United States as far north as the Carolinas. This warming continued until 1938 or so, when temperatures leveled off and began to drop once again (probably related to ta decline in solar output). As late as the 1970's, unusually cold winters prompted environmental activists to call for drastic government action to save the planet from "global cooling" and an imminent Ice Age. In the late 1980'sand 1990's, temperatures once again began to climb (corresponding to an increase in solar output), prompting renewed calls to save the planet - this time for global warming.

The Kyoto Protocol
The United Nations responded to fears of global warming by convening a 1992 "Earth Summit" in Rio de Janiero, Brazil. Under the direction of radical environmentalist Maurice Strong, leaders of 150 nations drafted the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change, which called for nations to "voluntarily" clash CO2 emissions, at great cost, to 1990 levels. In 1995, at a second UN conference in Berlin, developing nations voted to exempt themselves from any restrictions while approving mandatory CO2 cutbacks for developed nations such as the United States. These mandatory cutbacks were later incorporated into an amendment to the Freamework Convention called the Kyoto Protocol, drafted in Kyoto, Japan, in December 1998.

The Kyoto Protocol demands that the United States reduce its CO2 emissions to 7% below 1990 levels by the year 2010 (a 30-40% reduction below estimated 2010 levels). It also calls for restrictions on hydrofluorocarbons and perfluorocarbons, methane, nitrous oxide, and sulfur hexafluoride.

Interestingly, most other nations fare far better under the treaty than the United States. China, Singapore, Mexico, and many other rapidly industrializing nations are specifically exempted from the Protocol, while the nations of Western Europe are allowed to count the shutdown of pullution-emitting Communist factories in Eastern Europe in the early 1990's as if they were cutbacks in their own CO2 production.

Costs of Kyoto
Proponents of the Kyoto Protocol have argued that slashing CO2 emissions by as much as 40% below estimated 2010 levels will have little if any economic cost. The Clinton Administration estimated that the only noticeable effect would be an increase in gasoline prices of 6-8 cents per gallon, while some environmentalists have even argued that the treaty will save money and jobs. However, since the treaty lays heavy burdens on U.S. industries while copletely exempting most overseas industries, it is likely that it will only accelerate the flight of energy-intensive U.S. industries to other nations, with the inevitable loss of American jobs. Some critics predict that by 2010, the Kyoto Protocol could result in the loss of 2.4 million U.S. jobs and cost the average family as much as $2700 per year in price increases and losti ncome. Energy shortages like those of the 1970s may once again become commonplace, particularly if environmentalists continue to obstruct the construction of new nuclear plants.

Possible benefits of rising CO2
These huge costs are particularly ironic in the light of the fact that increased CO2 levels (and even global warming, should it occur) would likely be a net benefit to mankind. It is a known fact that plants grow much more efficiently at higher CO2 concentrations; if the CO2 content of the air is experimentally doubled, crop yields increase up to 50% while requiring much less water and fertilizer. In addition, history reveals that periods of warmer average global temperatures tend to be associated with better living conditions for humanity as a whole. During the medieval Climate Optimum (when average global temperatures were 6-9 degrees warmer than at present), average life expectancies increased significantly due to reduced disease, higher crop yields, and better nutrition. The global cooling that ended this period (the Little Ice Age), by contrast, was associated with a 10-year drop in average life expectancies.

Looking ahead
Unfortunately, the Kyoto Protocol seems to reflect a "ready-fire-aim" approach that characterizes many environmental issues. Although the fate of the treaty is not yet certain, it is likely that the global warming debated will continue for some time to come. As Christians, however, we can be certain that "while the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and sumer and winter, and day and night shall not cease" (Genesis 8:22). Although we should do all within our power to protect the world God has given us, we must always remember that the fate of the earth rests in the hands of its Creator.

That last paragraph scares me the most... the idea that the earth will only cease to exist when God's ready for it to. The first few paragraphs just lead up to global warming... most of the bizzare content is in the last two paragraphs.

Agree, or disagree on the book's claims? Discuss. thumbsup.gif
 

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kimmytree   Global Warming   Mar 29 2007, 03:43 PM
jackie13xo   haha nahhhhhhhhh YOU SUCK YANKEES SUCK end of st...   Jul 29 2007, 12:36 PM
kimmytree   Crap, the debate forum really needs to be modded b...   Jul 29 2007, 11:32 PM
xKatt   ^ Yup. There's very qualified and supported sc...   Jul 31 2007, 03:53 PM
RAWRstephishere   Global warming is true, but people dont have that ...   Aug 5 2007, 10:11 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(RAWRstephishere @ Aug 5 2007, 10:11...   Aug 5 2007, 10:16 PM
Steven   QUOTE(RAWRstephishere @ Aug 5 2007, 10:11...   Aug 5 2007, 10:47 PM
RAWRstephishere   QUOTE(Steven @ Aug 5 2007, 10:47 PM) Have...   Aug 5 2007, 11:14 PM
Steven   Monotony doesn't help arguments.   Aug 5 2007, 11:19 PM
SoEffinMajor   the way i see it, even if global warming is a big ...   Aug 5 2007, 11:31 PM
VaeVictis   I am yet to hear a convincing argument as to why G...   Aug 6 2007, 12:55 AM
Steven   QUOTE(VaeVictis @ Aug 6 2007, 12:55 AM) I...   Aug 6 2007, 09:30 AM
MorbidAngel   i do beleive it exists, but I really really really...   Aug 12 2007, 09:31 PM
Steven   Morbidangel, have you taken notice to the topic th...   Aug 12 2007, 09:45 PM
Claudel   I believe Global Warming is REAL, cuz i for one fe...   Aug 13 2007, 04:35 AM
kimmytree   QUOTE(Claudel @ Aug 13 2007, 05:35 AM) I ...   Aug 14 2007, 08:41 AM
Claudel   QUOTE(kimmytree @ Aug 14 2007, 04:41 PM) ...   Aug 14 2007, 11:55 AM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(Claudel @ Aug 14 2007, 11:55 AM) Yo...   Aug 14 2007, 12:28 PM
Steven   Well if we're going to bring personal experien...   Aug 13 2007, 07:31 AM
MorbidAngel   ^^ LOL we say that ALLLL the time here. "must...   Aug 14 2007, 07:40 AM
Steven   Actually billions, but yeah, you can't base gl...   Aug 14 2007, 09:06 AM
Uronacid   blnGlobalWarming = true; if(blnGlobalWarming = tru...   Aug 15 2007, 02:18 PM
sourire   I've gotta say, I watched The Inconvienient Tr...   Aug 15 2007, 03:08 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(sourire @ Aug 15 2007, 04:08 PM) I...   Aug 15 2007, 03:43 PM
xoxo_proud   QUOTE(sourire @ Aug 15 2007, 04:08 PM) I...   Aug 15 2007, 04:44 PM
kimmytree   QUOTE(sourire @ Aug 15 2007, 04:08 PM) I...   Aug 15 2007, 04:54 PM
Claudel   Yeah some people don't believe it untill its t...   Aug 16 2007, 04:48 PM
Steven   When has it become too late?   Aug 19 2007, 07:01 PM
kimmytree   ^ Well obviously... the longer we wait, the more d...   Aug 19 2007, 08:25 PM
Steven   But that's not answering my question. He said...   Aug 19 2007, 09:14 PM
kimmytree   ^ Oh, I know you're not attacking me. You...   Aug 19 2007, 09:52 PM
NoSex   QUOTE(kimmytree @ Aug 19 2007, 09:52 PM) ...   Sep 18 2007, 11:45 PM
JakeKKing   QUOTE(NoSex @ Sep 19 2007, 12:45 AM) Actu...   Sep 20 2007, 02:51 AM
Uronacid   QUOTE(JakeKKing @ Sep 20 2007, 03:51 AM) ...   Sep 20 2007, 10:51 AM
Steven   But the earth is full of living organisms, and isn...   Aug 19 2007, 09:55 PM
kimmytree   ^ Dont bother posting if you're not going to c...   Sep 14 2007, 10:27 PM
JakeKKing   QUOTE(kimmytree @ Mar 29 2007, 04:43 PM) ...   Sep 18 2007, 04:59 AM
Steven   Lol @ Kyoto. Why cripple the United States econom...   Sep 19 2007, 09:16 PM
lilsnoopy   Global warming is evident, whether you choose to b...   Sep 19 2007, 10:09 PM
Steven   QUOTE(lilsnoopy @ Sep 19 2007, 10:09 PM) ...   Sep 20 2007, 12:24 AM
jammylise   I think it will eventually happen. But not to the ...   Sep 19 2007, 10:11 PM
Steven   Clearly global warming.   Nov 14 2007, 06:13 PM
sheridan_whiteside   Yeah, because the number of fatalities is definite...   Nov 14 2007, 07:23 PM
Steven   I never said Global Warming was a myth numbnuts.   Nov 14 2007, 07:45 PM
aesthetic   There was global warning before we even existed, w...   Nov 20 2007, 12:32 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(aesthetic @ Nov 20 2007, 01:32 PM) ...   Nov 21 2007, 06:18 PM
Amechi   pfft what are you talking about!? global warm...   Nov 20 2007, 11:29 PM
Alk3   ^ Read this: http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/h...   Nov 21 2007, 07:50 PM
brooklyneast05   way to ruin it! i wanted to know if SHE would ...   Nov 21 2007, 07:52 PM
Steven   To start off, Global Warming is happening, and it...   Nov 21 2007, 08:03 PM
Steven   BUMP BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE ARGUING IS THERE ANYONE W...   Jan 14 2008, 11:52 AM
jaeman   Theoretically, global warming is man-made because ...   Jan 15 2008, 05:51 AM
Steven   QUOTE(jaeman @ Jan 15 2008, 04:51 AM) The...   Jan 15 2008, 08:20 AM
yrrnotelekktric   QUOTE(Steven @ Jan 15 2008, 05:20 AM) Wro...   Jan 18 2008, 05:18 AM
Steven   QUOTE(yrrnotelekktric @ Jan 18 2008, 04:1...   Jan 18 2008, 10:14 AM
jaeman   Sorry Jedi Master, teach me your ways.   Jan 18 2008, 04:02 AM
Steven   QUOTE(jaeman @ Jan 18 2008, 03:02 AM) Sor...   Jan 18 2008, 10:14 AM
Bishinobi   Nigggas we all gon die. Da earf is gettin warma. ...   Jan 18 2008, 11:31 AM
Steven   QUOTE(Bishinobi @ Jan 18 2008, 10:31 AM) ...   Jan 18 2008, 01:06 PM
ArjunaCapulong   QUOTE(Bishinobi @ Jan 18 2008, 12:31 PM) ...   Jun 11 2009, 02:59 PM
LoveToMySilas   Oh, I definately know that theres Global warming g...   Jan 18 2008, 08:45 PM
Steven   Who's to say it's dying?   Jan 19 2008, 01:32 AM
kryogenix   Dang I got testy in this thread.   Feb 21 2009, 02:45 PM
Tung   It's definitely a man made theory.   Feb 21 2009, 03:39 PM
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Uronacid   I really don't think that global warming has m...   Jun 22 2009, 12:42 PM
nxcxlx   Global warming is real. However, I strongly disagr...   Aug 14 2009, 01:24 AM
abzz   to me, global warming is not existing. its just a...   Oct 10 2009, 01:18 AM
Buttsex   QUOTE(abzz @ Oct 10 2009, 01:18 AM) globa...   Oct 10 2009, 01:32 AM
Buttsex   2 User(s) are reading this topic (0 Guests and 0 A...   Oct 19 2009, 06:48 PM
Buttsex   itt professional debate   Oct 19 2009, 08:57 PM
HeartOfPandora   f*ck this global warming shit, I'm getting glo...   Oct 19 2009, 09:15 PM
NoSex   QUOTE(HeartOfPandora @ Oct 19 2009, 09:15...   Oct 20 2009, 12:00 PM
serotonin   QUOTE(NoSex @ Oct 20 2009, 12:00 PM) this...   Oct 20 2009, 12:59 PM
HeartOfPandora   QUOTE(NoSex @ Oct 20 2009, 12:00 PM) this...   Oct 20 2009, 04:57 PM
Mikeplyts   ^ f*ck, I'm not getting any snow yet it's ...   Oct 21 2009, 06:15 AM
HeartOfPandora   ^ If it makes you feel any better, it's now po...   Oct 21 2009, 08:57 AM
serotonin   i wear shorts and a t shirt when i go outside. if...   Oct 21 2009, 11:14 AM
karmakiller   It's 49 degrees here and people are still wear...   Oct 21 2009, 07:37 PM
HeartOfPandora   QUOTE(karmakiller @ Oct 21 2009, 07:37 PM...   Oct 21 2009, 09:54 PM
Mikeplyts   I LOVE GLOBAL WARMING, IT MAKES MY MARSHMALLOWZ TA...   Oct 21 2009, 10:12 PM
doughnut   hottest year in the last 15 years is 1998, so ther...   Oct 21 2009, 10:12 PM
Mikeplyts   What was the coldest year? O_o I hope I get to s...   Oct 21 2009, 10:23 PM
HeartOfPandora   QUOTE(Mikeplyts @ Oct 21 2009, 10:23 PM) ...   Oct 21 2009, 10:40 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(Mikeplyts @ Oct 21 2009, 11:23 PM) ...   Oct 22 2009, 07:10 AM
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HeartOfPandora   QUOTE(doughnut @ Oct 21 2009, 10:41 PM) w...   Oct 21 2009, 10:44 PM
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Buttsex   Pet peeve of mine, don't say we can get as col...   Oct 22 2009, 03:33 PM
Mikeplyts   Pet peeve of mine, when people snap at you real qu...   Oct 22 2009, 08:55 PM
colddesert   ^ Agreed.   Oct 23 2009, 12:23 AM
dosomethin888   RE: Global Warming   Nov 25 2009, 03:54 AM
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