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Posted by: steve330 Jun 27 2007, 02:28 PM

With the recent Kennedy-Bush alliance (polar opposites at that) for the naturalization of illegal immigrants, a lot of people have come out strongly opposed to the idea and are quite unhappy that bush just brought it back up after the idea was killed.

Is there anyone out there that thinks it should be something that happens? If yes, please explain as I'm curious to see if there is another side (other than the politicians) to this issue and I want to know what makes you see it that way or where your opinions are derived from.

Keeping in mind taxes, social security (haha as if that's going to last), unemployment, and them taking advantage of what's free in the nation (i.e. medicine/education) without putting back into the system.

Posted by: kimmytree Jun 27 2007, 04:38 PM

Well, I consider myself more of a liberal, but it seems like I'm siding more with the conservatives on this. I'm totally against giving them amnesty. We'd just be rewarding them for breaking the law. It's not like the only way a person can enter this country is illegally - the ones that are here had the opportunity to come here the right way. It'd be like a slap in the face just handing them citizenship to the people who entered this country legally. What about back taxes? They shouldnt be able to escape from that.

So if we actually do end up giving all these illegals amnesty, they'll all end up getting social security - something they havent even been paying into. And we all know that it probably wont even be there for our generation already. And then what about welfare and other services? Most of the Mexican adults here in Florida dont even speak enough English to get a decent job - so my guess most of them would easily qualify for welfare and food stamps.

And they're taking American's jobs, seriously. The illegals dont just pick produce anymore. Most of them have moved up to roofing and construction. According to my parents, when they were kids - you saw AMERICANS building homes, and doing roofs. But when companies can pay illegals such low pay, and dont have to give them insurance - why would they hire an American? Everytime I drive past a new subdivision being built or see someone getting a new roof, all of the workers are illegal Mexicans. Oh, and they're doing landscaping too. I have an uncle who's a general contractor, and a cousin who is a head guy for a lawn service - they admit to having nothing but illegals working under them because they can do the work so cheaply. [/rambling]

Please dont get me wrong or anything, I'm definitely not racist. I just cant stand the idea of seeing them being rewarded for breaking the law, and then having to take care of them.

We need to build a huge 20 foot concrete wall across the ENTIRE border, and arm guards with machine guns. That'll stop them from sneaking in.

Posted by: Mercy Jun 29 2007, 03:14 PM

I dont belive we owe someone who came here ILLEGALLY anything.

Be f**king gratefull that you get 3.25 an hour and have somesort of place to live in.

Im mexican puerto rican and i get called out for "hating" my own because i feel this way,But when my grandmother came over to texas with nothing and from that she worked her way up and then became LEGALIZED.These other people and im not jsut talking about the mexicans, they come here ILLIEGALLY take all the jobs or my personal favorite are the ones (i have reletives like this) who has like 50 f**king kids and they acnt f**king support them so they go on welfare and live off that and rely on that instead of getting on the welfare and getting a job.

And then they have the nerve to flock up and wave around their countries flags in america and have the nerve to st there and demand more from americans?Thats bullshit.We owe you diddly SHIT.

Posted by: kimmytree Jun 29 2007, 04:41 PM

^ Kudos to you for standing up against some of your own people. I bet the criticism gets old. I've had alot of people call me racist for my opinions, but I too cant stand the idea of rewarding people like that.

Yeah, it annoys the crap out of me to see them protesting on tv, demanding for their "rights". Only CITIZENS deserve rights. I'm not against giving them medical care if they're dying or something, but that's about it. Sorry for mostly just referring to Mexicans, but where I live, they are the only ones that are really illegal. And its not because they're Mexicans... I could care less what color their skin is.

I think we need to work on sending them back home, and then letting them come back in legally if they choose to do so.

The only issue is though, without them here... picking our produce, we're going to have to get it elsewhere, which would end up costing us waaay more. But I surely wouldnt mind paying more... but alot of people are afraid of that.

Posted by: medic Jun 29 2007, 04:44 PM

As long as congress keeps kissing ass on the subject, it will never happen. They do a good job about it too, it has died twice to give them amnesty.

They came here illegally, they do not deserve to be paid minimum wage, and they sure as hell don't deserve the right to ignore INS like that damn DVD tells them too. They are not American Citizens, so they do not have those rights. I also hate how I am paying taxes and I see "illegal" immigrants at school and in the town over, and it PISSES me off to know that I have to pay to go to school, and they get in free, I have to pay for food at lunch, they get it for free, and I have to pay for living in this country, and they get a free GOD DAMN ride.

Posted by: kimmytree Jun 29 2007, 04:47 PM

^ Nevermind, you edited.

But just as a side note, I'm so disappointed in Ted Kennedy siding with Bush on the issue.

Posted by: medic Jun 29 2007, 04:48 PM

That I did, LOL. I do it at least once to all my posts.

Posted by: kimmytree Jun 29 2007, 04:51 PM

I originally got the impression that you were disappointed that it didnt pass, but I realized that wasnt the case as soon as you edited lol.

Posted by: 1angel3 Jun 29 2007, 06:31 PM

I really do not care for them. I agree with all of you. One thing I really do not like is you have to learn their language to have more job opportunity because jobs want someone that is by lingo and that is ok. I feel they need to learn english. I hate that this country caters to them. Seems like everything you buy rather it's a car, cell phone, or hair products, etc. You can look at the back of the product or readers manual and they all it translated in Spanish. That's what I mean when I say this country caters to them and it's not fair.

They need to pay taxes. It seems like health care costs went up since they came.

Posted by: kimmytree Jun 29 2007, 07:26 PM

^ Yeah, they're killing us when it comes to healthcare. It makes it more expensive for us to go to the hospital, because every time they break a finger or have some kind of minor illness, they go for free. Hospitals cant deny them care. So when they and even alot of actual Americans do that, it raises prices.

And I dont know how much it costs in other areas, but I've heard that it costs around eight thousand dollars to educate each child per year in the public school system. So what about all these illegals sending their kids to our schools, when they dont even help pay into the system? Could you imagine how much better our schools would be if instead of them taking the money, we put it towards higher teacher salaries? Or even on other things? We'd be able to give kids a better education.

Posted by: 1angel3 Jun 29 2007, 08:17 PM

^^ I agree. You know their strategy? They come here and have all these babies and we cannot kick them out because the babies are American citizens. That is why you see almost every Mexican couple with ten kids with them.

Posted by: kimmytree Jun 29 2007, 09:20 PM

^ Yep, that's exactly what they're doing. They just keep on coming because they know we'll give them all these handouts. To me they're just Mexico's trash. Mexico isnt that bad, and you dont see their average citizens trying to leave.

Posted by: 1angel3 Jun 29 2007, 09:49 PM

^^ Thank you. I agree 100%

Posted by: elbaliava Jun 29 2007, 10:07 PM

To be completely honest, I don't care if immigration is legal or illegal. Either way, people are still going to immigrate, and that's a good thing. If it were not for all the illegal citizens and immigrants, then who would do all the dirty jobs that no one wants to do?

I mean there are a lot of stereotypes about different cultures doing different work. I'm not racist at all, and don't take this as racism, but stereotypically, there are the Arabs who work at the 7-11s. There are the Mexicans who cut the lawns and do all the landscaping. There are Punjabis who drive taxicabs. Society has placed these races to fit with these jobs, or at least that is the mindset of people who live in my area. Granted, not all Mexicans, Punjabis, Arabs, etc. are immigrants, many aren’t. I know this post will make at least someone mad, but it is a debate, and I’m entitled to my own opinion, and my opinion is that if these immigrants were not here then who would do these jobs? How many so-called average looking Americans (based on society’s views) do you see driving taxicabs? How many people are going to be truly dedicated to landscaping? I have family that has other family who are not legal citizens, and they are Slovaks who come from Czech. They do landscaping and work really hard because they need the money to send it back home to support the rest of their family.

I think that if immigrants are willing to work hard just to help out their families back home, then they should be allowed to. After all, no one else really wants to do their jobs, because the pay is low and it is hard work.

As for healthcare, education, social security, etc... I believe that as long as they are in America they should be able to abide by Human Rights. According to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 2,

[Article cut short due to lengthiness. They are in America... They have the right to their freedoms simply by being a human being, as stated above, their race, colour, etc. doesn't change anything -- they still have their freedoms.

Article 13; So if it is stated clearly in the Declaration of Human Rights that anyone is able to leave their country, then I don’t really see the problem, as long as they do not harm the country they enter.

For Education… Etc., again cut short due to lengthiness. They are allowed to be educated. If they can support that education, then there is no harm in putting them in our schools as long as they can follow.

This post is way too long. Blah. My apologies.

Err, edit; After re-reading the posts before me... I would have to agree with 1angel3 that they should pay taxes. I guess if I believe they should be able to obtain Human Rights, they should be equal to the American citizen in paying taxes as well.

Posted by: Elba Jun 30 2007, 12:10 AM

They're already here and there's no way we're going to kick all of them out. Last year, when I was getting Medi-Cal, I realized you don't have to be an American Citizen to receive that aid from California. I thought it was a bit ridiculous.

I'm kind of for it. If they're already here, then they should pay their taxes and all that like we do.

Posted by: medic Jun 30 2007, 01:52 AM

The Joy about what you stated above is that the long list of United States Immigration Acts have actually put those which you quoted out of effect.

Also, that is a UN paper. If we all did what the UN said, all the conflicts in the world that are going on now would not be.

Posted by: Mercy Jun 30 2007, 04:18 AM

False,They used to be able to do that.But as of 1995 even if you marry a american citizen or have kids that are born american,you still can be deported.

The real reason why mexican familys have many kids lies in making sons to pass on the family name and because mexico is pro-large family if thats how you want to put it.


The issue with that is alot of them will find a way to evade it.So we will still have people falling through the cracks.

Posted by: steve330 Jun 30 2007, 08:48 AM

Oh they're all over the place in Texas too. If they get put into the system and have to pay taxes, some will find ways around it as Mercy said. Then they'll start to want social security, which is already f**ked up enough as it is. And although I speak a little bit of spanish, I don't want to relearn it and become fluent again lol.

Posted by: elbaliava Jun 30 2007, 09:51 AM

I said it was what I would like to see happen, not what I actually thought would happen. Haha. Obviously my opinion and viewpoints are far different compared to the government. Easily if it was up to U.N. we probably wouldn't have as many problems. Easier said than done though.

Posted by: kimmytree Jun 30 2007, 11:45 AM

Most of the "Arabs" you're referring to dont work in the 7-11's - alot of them OWN them, and other gas stations. Not just Arabs, but Middle Easterners in General. They get all kinds of tax breaks. Either way though, they're usually LEGAL.

That's what's killing us though - they're getting all kinds of hand outs and benefits... and just sending it all back home. They dont even have to pay income taxes, which is alot of money. The pay is low because businesses know they can pay them low wages. They dont have to give them medical insurance, or have to worry about workers comp. Everything's under the table - they dont even get actual "pay checks"... at least around here. They're usually just paid in cash. Besides picking produce, there are still some Americans left who do the same jobs they do. Roofing, landscaping, construction. They just alot of times end up getting fired or cant get the job to begin with, because they can pay a illegal Mexican half of what they would have to pay them. Dont even start to think that equals lower prices for the customer, because it doesnt. That's just more profits for the actual employer.

The Declaration of Human rights is referring to CITIZENS, right? How would they apply to someone who ILLEGALY entered our country?

Posted by: kimmytree Jun 30 2007, 11:52 AM

Yeah, and they're practically invading Florida. Farming is still a fairly big industry, so they flock here to pick the strawberries and oranges. And then they eventually get tired of those jobs, and move on to other things.

My God, if they got social security, that would INSURE that it wont be there for us when we're older.

I agree - there's already tons of billboards and other things in Spanish in alot of places... I cant even imagine what it would be like if they got amnesty. Watch the Spanish language take over. I have no problem with having to learn it in school, but it just bugs me that its needed for alot of jobs these days. ENGLISH is our official language, not Spanish. We need to stop catering to people.

Posted by: elbaliava Jun 30 2007, 12:42 PM

Yeah... The whole 7-11 example wasn't the best, I admit. I was tired, and still tried to get my point across, sadly I merged the ideas of stereotypical jobs and society's illegal races jobs. No excuse, but sorry for that mix-up. There's still the idea of taxi drivers and landscapers, though, that's a given. Especially landscapers; my town is full of them.

Yes, they are getting hand outs and benefits; I later said I believe they should pay some sort of taxes. And as for low pay, cash pay checks, etc, I'm completely aware of that because in my last job the entire kitchen was Illegal Mexicans from Costa Rica. Our pay checks were in cash. However, they still had money taken out for taxes. I'm not sure how that worked out, I tried to stay out of their business and do my job, but hearing about them being paid in cash is nothing new to me. Also, I don't see anything wrong with these people sending their money back home. What people do with their own money that they earned is their own business. As for them being able to just obtain money without having to deal with taxes and such, yeah that's bull. None of what you said in your second paragraph is new to hear. No offense, I'm not trying to be a bitch at all.

As for the DoHR, yes, it applies to citizens, however, if immigrants would just get a red card, then they should be allowed to their Human Rights. Or at least I think so. I also thing that Human Rights applying to only citizens is kind of ridiculous, considering that they are human rights, not citizen rights. However, human rights vs. citizen rights and the idea of immigrants "just getting a red card" [which is idealistic] is slightly off topic. I tend to drift a lot.

Posted by: Elba Jun 30 2007, 01:25 PM

So how do they go around it?

Posted by: Mercy Jun 30 2007, 01:35 PM

Get around taxes? Easy.
You cant filetaxes if you dont have a green card or proof to show you are a citizen.

Geting healthcare?super easy
Anyone and everyone who makes less money is eligleble for their state issued healthcare.

Housing? Section 8 is eligle for everyone under a certain income braquet.Some will find ways to try and fake a green card.


How do i know all of this?My uncle got the f**k thrown out of the US for pulling all this shit.And i really dont think he was the only one.

Posted by: karmakiller Jun 30 2007, 01:35 PM

Whether they're here legally or illegally, they're still going to be here. I honestly think that we need to revise what someone needs to do to become a citizen. A lot of what's happening with the immigrants from Mexico is like history repeating it's self, because the same kind of things happened to people coming through Ellis Island.

Posted by: Elba Jun 30 2007, 01:37 PM

If they are legalized, how do they get around not paying taxes?

Posted by: Mercy Jun 30 2007, 01:41 PM

Well it be what other people do..
"Tax-evasion"
You just dont send ANYTHING.

But there are ways of tracking them down seeing as they are legalized.Its a whole other ball park.

Posted by: Elba Jun 30 2007, 01:47 PM

Yeah, so if they can get tracked down, what's the problem? I'm sure they're not the only ones who can or will evade taxes.

Plus, if I'm going to be getting a tax return, I sure as hell have an incentive to file, just as many others will.

Posted by: Mercy Jun 30 2007, 01:49 PM

Hmmm i never thought about it that way.
Who the hell would want to avoid that??

And at least americans get tax returns

Posted by: Elba Jun 30 2007, 02:00 PM

As for the Social Security benefits, from what I understand, you have to have worked to receive them.

Posted by: kimmytree Jun 30 2007, 03:15 PM

I dont understand how they could get out of paying taxes if they become citizens... unless their employer pays them under the table. But that would just be for income taxes.

Well, I know alot of people are wanting them to have to pay back taxes to get citizenship. I wish that would work, but there's no way for us to prove how long they've been here. A person might have been here 10 years, and only claim that they've been here for 2.

Posted by: 1angel3 Jun 30 2007, 06:57 PM

Oh I didn't know that. But that was their strategy for awhile. I didn't think that was the only reason they was having so many kids when they got here. I know they into the family thing and passing their name down. Because Philippine women was marrying American soldier so they can live here in America. That's why I didn't think they could deport them out the country.

Posted by: 31miracles Jul 5 2007, 08:00 PM

People who illegally immigrate lived a shitty life, and they illegally immigrate in pursuit of a better life. Seriously, can you blame them? Many people I talk to about this issue ignorantly say "I don't care about illegal immigrates problems in their native land". Imagine if you were the one in their position, in a country of war, poverty, or governmental abuse. EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT LIVE LIFE. I mean, if I was living hard life, and America offered a better life, heck yes I would illegally immigrate, and I bet all of you would if in that position. Example: Comeon who here would not illegally escape and stay in their country working in fields 16 hours a day, living in dirty/cramped tenent housing just to make enough for a minimal diet being constantly on a hungry stomache with no future.

Plus, most illegal immigrates are still living a terrible, harworking life in American standards, holding jobs that most Americans don't want. Hopefully I don't offend anyone here, but if you are out of highschool and competing for jobs taken by illegal immigrates (like crop picking, sewage cleaning), then you don't deserve it, because you are "stupid", you had a key at a better life aka schooling which many illegal immigrates are deprived of.


bottomline, illegal immigration is a problem, but I believe it's wrong to deport, block, or prevent naturalization to illegal immigrants.

Posted by: kimmytree Jul 5 2007, 08:14 PM

^ But we're talking Mexico here, not freaking AFRICA. Mexico is way better off than most, if not all of the countries in Central and South America. Poverty isnt THAT bad in Mexico, and when have they had to deal with war and significant govermental abuse? I've never heard of any of that.

Not every American is mentally capable of obtaining a college degree, or having a better job. Of course no American wants to pick fruit, but come on. They've INVADED the construction, roofing, and landscaping industry.

Why should any of what you said be an excuse to come here illegally? People immigrate from places that are by far worse... and do it LEGALLY. So why cant they?

Posted by: steve330 Jul 5 2007, 08:19 PM

Then explain to me why they come here, find loopholes around paying taxes, get jobs where they spend half the time sitting around a f**king tree, abuse the medical system, burn the American flag, and have babies when they can't f**king afford to have them.

Also why the hell don't they work on bettering their own damn country? I know it's hard, but if the entire country set it's mind to it, they could pull it off. They're not motivated enough, too lazy, too stupid, or content with their current life. I'm not saying everyone is this way, but as a generality, I would say that.

I live in Texas, there are shitloads of Mexicans here. They're lazy. LAZY.

Posted by: kimmytree Jul 5 2007, 08:44 PM

^ AMEN. I know Florida's bad, but I cant imagine what Texas is like. I hate how most of them refuse to learn freaking English. And then we end up having billboards, signs, commercials, and a bunch of other crap in not English, but Spanish. Why are we cateoring to them?!

I refuse to speak a language other than English in my own country. I dont mind it when a a forigner is here on vacation and cant speak English... but there's no excuse for someone who wants to be an American to NOT speak the language.

Posted by: 31miracles Jul 6 2007, 09:40 PM

It's called their cultural background... If they are Mexican, they speak Spanish. Most illegal immigrants are around themselves in their ghettos, so there is not really a use to learn English since everyone speaks the language they speak, so they way the see it... Why bother to learn English?
But yes I agree that they should attempt to learn English to fit into society.



wow dude, you're ignorant

you make it sound like only illegal immigrants "have babies when they can't f**king afford to have them"... my ass, every race faces that problem. I bet your mother sleeps around too, ah yes Steve that is why her belly got big and she needed an abortion. I can say that about almost everything you mentioned, haha my teacher even got fired for dogding taxes. I agree that illegal immigrants abuse medical systems, dodge taxes more, but they are still in poverty, doing anything to gain money. It's human nature; lying/cheating/stealing. EVERYONE DOES IT. But I somewhat agree, this is a problem, not just for illegal immigrants, but everyone.

I would sure like to know where they "get jobs where they spend half the time sitting around a f**king tree." I want that job. You make it sound like illegal immigrants are lazy... well let me tell you this you ignorant faggot, most Chinese illegal immigrants work 7 days a week, the whole day, in Chinese resturants. Many of them have to work their asses for 20-25 years to repay debts to snakeheads (who smugle them into the US) who threaten to kill their family. Down in California, most crop picking jobs are beening taken by illegal immigrants will to work illegal for under minimum wage for long hours in the blazing sun. Compared to these people we are are "LAZY".

"Also why the hell don't they work on bettering their own damn country?" haha, you really can't see clearly, easier said than done... China for example has a terrible government. Yea, work on improving... IMPOSSIBLE. Seriously, think things out before you type.

Burning the American flag... haha I don't know why, Maybe it's because they hate America and Americans, because people like you are so f**king racist towards them.

Serious Steve? why do you have to swear so much and attack people with your language. This is the third time you did this to me. Atleast this time you didn't call me a "f**king retard". This is an online forum... chill out please. Go dye the rest of your head red, you "f**king retard".

Sorry everyone else for my offensive post, but I hate this kid.

Posted by: Mercy Jul 6 2007, 09:50 PM

Now chew on this everyone.

In mexico.You would be jailed no quesions asked if you snuck over to their contry.
If you do manage to naturalize into their country,You wont get a job,you wont get any rights or benifits beause you werent born there.

Now tell me
WHY THE f**k SHOULD WE GIVE THEM SHIT,IF ITS THE DOUBLE STANDARD OVER THERE.

Posted by: Elba Jul 6 2007, 11:27 PM

Who the hell would want to sneak into Mexico?

Posted by: kimmytree Jul 6 2007, 11:35 PM

Someone who's just commited a crime (like murder), owes someone money, etc.

Posted by: Elba Jul 7 2007, 12:23 AM

So how do murderers compare to people who are trying to better the lives of themselves and their families?

Posted by: ersatz Jul 7 2007, 12:47 AM

Bigger point: Anyone take into account how hard it is and how long it takes to become a citizen? Especially when you're not from a preferred place?

Posted by: Tamacracker Jul 7 2007, 12:59 AM

Screw it, close the borders stop allowing immigrants to come in. And fix the problems within our borders. Once things are fixed, then re-open the borders with more security and make sure everyone comes in legally.

Posted by: Tamacracker Jul 7 2007, 01:02 AM

Is that just word of mouth? Or do you have an actual legit source? Don't mind if it's in Spanish either, preferably from Mexican government.

Please source your claim :)

Posted by: Elba Jul 7 2007, 03:12 AM

There's no way we're going to close our borders.

Also, I would like to see where it says that:

In mexico.You would be jailed no quesions asked if you snuck over to their contry.
If you do manage to naturalize into their country,You wont get a job,you wont get any rights or benifits beause you werent born there.

Posted by: Mercy Jul 7 2007, 09:11 AM

Does my father who works in law enforcement down there count enough to you or no?


And Please dont double post Tamacracker.God made the Edit button.


Here let me explain that a little bit better.
In mexico they have strict imigration policys about people commming in.US Murderers can enter the contry and be protected because bounty hunting in illegal."Dog the bounty hunter" is in deep shit with the country right now because of it.

Now if you were ever to become an "Ex-Patriot" down there.You would have very little benefits,Because most of them like the health care and welfare system are really only available to natural born citizens.Not to mention the federallies love to f**k with Ex-patriots down there,Especialy in heavy tourist areas like Cancun.

Posted by: Mercy Jul 7 2007, 09:33 AM

And then its people like arnold (iamnotspellinghislastname) who get called out as being an a-hole for saying the truth "Turn off the spanish TV".I should have to be forced to speak spanish just because of a bunch of people decided to come up here.Again I still have yet to owe you nothing.

Posted by: steve330 Jul 7 2007, 09:40 AM

Oh I'm very chill my friend.

Also I'm not talking about the Chinese. I have respect for the Asians. They're very hard workers.

As to the being lazy, if you lived down in Texas you might see them sitting around trees all the time. I know I do.

For instance. I saw this group of Hispanics working on a site across from a site I was working at, and they were to go bury a phone line that had came out of the ground. They got out there, dug up a little ditch for it which took about 30 minutes, then they found a shady spot by a fence and took a 2 hour break. After that they buried the phone line, then sat around for another 30 minutes. Sounds kinda lazy to me.

Also I said there was always the exception, which you might have overlooked. I know not every illegal Mexican immigrant is this way, but I feel it's pretty safe to generalize this, well, in Texas at least.

As to the comment about my mother needing an abortion, way to make yourself look ignorant. You see, my mother worked her way through college and got a job before she even considered having kids. Now there's me and I have two younger brothers and we live just fine because both my parents did the smart thing and found a steady income before they had us. GG.

If they hate Americans so much why do they come over here? After all, this is America.

I know all the cussing was probably unnecessary, so I apologize for that as in hindsight I do agree that it made my post a little bit trashy, I was just in the heat of the moment, you should understand that :)

I didn't call you a f**king retard this time because I am interested to hear your point of view. I do apologize for typing irrationally on an online forum. Continue please :)

Posted by: Tamacracker Jul 7 2007, 05:15 PM

Naaah... not good enough. I need actual documentation. Ask your dad where online can you look up the info he's providing you with.

And sorry about the double post... I don't have the privilege to delete my own posts.

Posted by: Flair Jul 7 2007, 05:26 PM

You might want to calm down, don't you think?


No, he didn't.

Posted by: kimmytree Jul 7 2007, 05:51 PM

^ How was I overreacting? I was just trying to get my point across. It's not like I was member bashing or cussing.

Posted by: kimmytree Jul 7 2007, 06:29 PM

^ Well, then excuse me for not being specific.
I meant that a large majority of African countries are worse off than Mexico. There are obviously exceptions, such as Morocco and South Africa... I just didnt feel like listing them all. I'm not talking about Aids - I'm talking about poverty, education, living conditions, government, etc.

Why are you bringing this up again? What, did I offend you or something?

Posted by: Mercy Jul 7 2007, 10:15 PM

Hmm I belive members can edit posts though no?It dosnt matter anyway lol.

I havent spoken to my father since i told him i was engaged.So it will be a while before i can ask him for online info that he can provide you with.

Or better yet,Move to the county.Youll have a blast

Posted by: Elba Jul 7 2007, 10:29 PM

If you can't really back up your statements, then why say it at all? Try google.

Posted by: Tamacracker Jul 7 2007, 10:29 PM

Well I've been to Mexico with my family numerous of times. Everyone seemed friendly there, socially speaking at least.

But then again, we speak Spanish. I don't plan on moving to Mexico though :)

I'll do a little research of my own when I have some free time. I know that in Australia if you're American, you have to pee many fees before even purchasing land there. and you have to pay what they tell you to pay. On top of that, they charge a lot more money for land when foreigners are interested. On top of that you cannot stay in their country for more than 6 months. If you do, you'll be imprisoned.

But I'll check it out myself about Mexico's laws.

Posted by: Flair Jul 8 2007, 03:09 AM

Are you kidding me? Mexico is way better than Morocco and South Africa when it comes to government, living conditions ... Besides, that's not the point, the fact that you're comparing ONE country to a continent is a little overboard.

We aren't offended, we're just letting you know and she isn't bringing it up again rather she's replying to your post.

Forget about it, shall we? I don't want to argue with you, I like you =)

Posted by: kimmytree Jul 8 2007, 11:31 AM

You're probably right, they are just the ones that stick out in my mind as probably being the most well off in Africa. Once again I apologize for the confusement - I was in a hurry and didnt read what I said before posting it like I usually do.

But that was the second time she's brought it up in the same thread.

I hope so, It's not something I want to argue over either. I already stated in my last post that I made a mistake, and I corrected myself.


I didnt have an attitude - I was amused that you were pointing all that out for the second time in the same thread. I saw what you first posted, so I didnt really see a need for you pointing the same thing out again.

Oh, please do point them out. I still dont see what the big deal is - I corrected my mistake on comparing Africa to a country.

[sorry for the double post]

Posted by: Flair Jul 8 2007, 12:19 PM

Posted by: kimmytree Jul 8 2007, 06:58 PM

Yaaay!

I've been extra cranky and irritable for the past few days for some reason. So maybe that's my problem.

But to keep this from being just spam, I wonder what all our country would lose if we didnt give them amnesty, and made most of them leave? Besides the costs of produce and labor (like in the housing industry)?

Posted by: mysticalazxn Jul 24 2007, 02:36 AM

They all want to go to US. IF we open to everyone then US then who will live in other country? US then will be over populated. I'm 100% aganist illegal immigrant. Live in your own country and make it a better place. On the other hand I also symphatize for hte illegal immigrant because of poverty. There a lot of US born citizen get schooling and only get a diploma and work minimum wage. But the illegal immigrant they try very hard and raise their kid to become doctor etc. THAT IS WHY American complain about unemployment. I'm not saiding the state i just make above is 100% true but it is pretty dam is because through hardship human will push it over their limit. But i still don't support illegal immigrant no matter what. their should be a UN Universal punishment for them.

DON't you grant citizenship if your kid is born in US? I believe this is true. That is what illegal immigrant is aiming for.... SEX!

Posted by: Steven Jul 24 2007, 08:34 AM

Illegal immigrants are aiming for sex?

Also, whose complaining about unemployment? The U.S. unemployment is at a very good spot at the moment. Our inflation is doing decent as well. That's not to say that this won't change when the min wage (stupid law) is raised and all the employers are forced to pay their workers more and jack up their prices -.-

Posted by: N3RDYY Jul 24 2007, 08:46 AM

Well, i really agree with some of you.

The immigrant issue is really becoming a problem for the united states.

Hey, im all for you coming to this country to give your children and family members a better life, but only when you work hard for that life.

If your coming here to america to critisize the way we do things, go back to your country. Theres a reason you left and if you immigrated here then that must mean we (the united states) have got something your country lacks.

DO NOT come here to sit on your ass all day, get drunk and live off the government (i do know people who have done that) because thats what makes us LEGAL people hate you.

My family came here with very little and 6 people lived in a one bedroom apartment for 4 years. They all now own homes and have good jobs becase they worked like ANIMALS to get what they have.

Dont be a statistic.

Posted by: SayBloodyMary Jul 24 2007, 10:17 AM

That is ridiculous. Why on Earth should someone not be able to criticise a country simply because they are an immigrant?

Oh, and there are plenty of statistics about legal immigrants, or for that matter about 'natural' citizens. So that's a completely empty platitude.

Posted by: Peanups Jul 24 2007, 12:40 PM

we had this debate a couple years ago.

I'd have to say, that i don't think that the people who are here illegally should be deported, but we should stop those who are trying to get in now, and have not succeeded (sp?) yet.

why?
1)
well what about those who to physical labor? Many illegals have these jobs and if we were to just kick them out, we would have over a million jobs vacant and growing as the years go by. that would be a serious problem
2)
couples that have established families in the United States to where their children were legally born here but the parents aren't. that would rip the family apart, because if they went back to their country, their children would then be illegal.

Posted by: N3RDYY Jul 24 2007, 12:46 PM

im simply saying, if your coming here to critisize, or "hate" then just go back to your country we dont really need the negativity.

Posted by: radhikaeatsraman Aug 24 2007, 09:58 PM

I've been searching & searching, but I cannot find a topic in Debate pertaining to illegal immigration.

What do you think of illegal immigration/immigrants? How do you think we should solve the issue? Do you believe in deportation, amnesty, or an alternative? Why?

I personally believe that illegal immigrants should not come here, and we need to crack down on employers who hire them. Not just because it is against the law, but to protect illegal immigrants. Many of them are exploited & paid well below the minimum wage. Single illegals (meaning those without family in the US) should be deported. However, those with families should be handled more carefully. I support the passage of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DREAM_Act for students who came here without the consent of their parents.

Also, illegal immigrants are a huge strain on our country financially. Although the vast majority are employed, the number of them earning money exceeds the number actually paying taxes. [http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html]

I think we should deport illegal immigrants, but it should be a carefully planned, gradual process. We should also make the immigration process speedier & more efficient for those wanting to come here legally. Waiting periods for families should be reduced, and skilled workers with families should be given priority in the immigration process. The quota system should also be reworked. By cracking down on employers who use illegal aliens & restructuring the legal immigration system, we can reduce the number of illegal immigrants overall.

Posted by: ArjunaCapulong Aug 24 2007, 10:43 PM

Though if a ton of them were deported, wouldn't they just turn right back around and try again (if they're homeland really is that bad)?

Posted by: radhikaeatsraman Aug 24 2007, 10:45 PM

Not if we crack down on employers giving them jobs. If there aren't any jobs available to them, then they won't come.

Posted by: ArjunaCapulong Aug 24 2007, 11:01 PM

Sounds like that'd take an amazing amount of effort; effort which could possibly be better put elsewhere at the time being, but hey.

I mean, it's not just professional employers (if that's what you meant) that can give these people something to do. Even just regular people passing by, say, Lowes or Home Depot pick these guys up and pay them (sometimes). Pretty much everyone could use/would like somebody to do something for them.

Posted by: Steven Aug 24 2007, 11:19 PM

Actually it wouldn't be a very big job if you slapped an enormous punishment on it, so enormous that the deterrence would be enough to discourage it big time.

Posted by: ArjunaCapulong Aug 24 2007, 11:37 PM

Oh, so take the Singapore-type approach to it. =P

Posted by: HeroesAndVillians Aug 24 2007, 11:39 PM

I believe in deportation. If they wanna come here so badly and make an "honest" pay, they'd do it legally like everyone else. People say they support amnesty or whatever but then they go and complain about the high amounts of unemployed Americans.

Posted by: Dreamers Aug 25 2007, 09:27 AM

I think they need to learn some English and come over here legally. We'd do the same for them if we went to their homeland, right?
We'd learn their native language or at least a little and go over there legally....

The illegals come over here and try and change the America that they want to be in. They try and change it to their standards. WTF?
Why want to come here in the first place if it isn't good enough for them as it is? They need to just leave America alone or conform to the law and come legally with an English vocabulary.

Posted by: kimmytree Aug 25 2007, 09:59 AM

There's already a topic on this...

Posted by: radhikaeatsraman Aug 25 2007, 11:03 AM

Ah, okay. I couldn't find it for some reason though. Can you merge the two topics, Steve?
------------------
Back on topic.
The reason we secretly love illegal immigrants is because they keep prices & the cost of living down. If we deported them or gave them a path to amnesty, employers would be forced to raise their wages, meaning that Americans would generally have to pay more. I still think illegal immigrants should be deported, but that we should not fault illegal or American-born children for their parents' actions.

Again, I'm going to emphasize the need to improve our f'ed-up immigration system. We should go back to an Ellis Island-style system, where people are inspected & recieve their documents right on the spot. They don't receive any government services for 5 years, so it's sink or swim. After that, they receive a path to legal residency/citizenship, and there's no issue of whether or not they are legal.

And I disagree with just allowing skilled workers to come in. We obviously have an unskilled workforce willing to perform our jobs, but for now, we need to deport the illegals & rework our system. We need to allow more legal unskilled workers to come & we should give them the resources to help them learn English, American culture, etc. Because if we want cheap but legal labor, this is the way to do it.

Posted by: Steven Aug 25 2007, 11:17 AM

Lol yeah I can merge them, I didn't realize this wasn't mine rofl.

Posted by: radhikaeatsraman Aug 25 2007, 11:18 AM

Wow, you guys are crappy debaters, no offense.

Have any of you ever even BEEN through the U.S. immigration system? It's extremely fucked up. Getting a visa to come to the U.S. is like winning the lottery. That's partly the reason why people come illegally. Another reason people come here is because they're given jobs. If we crack down on employers who are giving illegals jobs, the problem will (almost) be solved. If there are no jobs, people won't come. However, we should not attack the children of illegals, because they came under their parents' jurisdiction. This is why I support the DREAM Act [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DREAM_Act] for illegal alien students.

And yes, I believe English should be the official language. But that doesn't give us a right to ignore other languages altogether. We should require foreign languages starting in elementary school so that we can compete in the global market and repair relations with the world. We also need to repair the ESL education system. Many times, kids are stuck in a classroom with other kids that don't speak their language, and the only person who actually speaks English is the teacher. We need to employ teachers that speak multiple languages so they can help students from all over the world. We also need to help adults learn English so that they can communicate with their children, their children's teachers, etc etc. Being skilled & legal =/= knowing fluent English.

We need to crack down on illegal immigration, I agree, but we cannot break families apart.

Posted by: Steven Aug 25 2007, 11:30 AM

K since people are such crappy debaters, I'll give it a shot.

I agree with what you've said about most of the things you've said, but the learning Spanish thing I find ridiculous. English is the business language, of the world. Why should we go out of our way to learn Spanish when the primary necessity to know Spanish goes to people who are employing laborers that work in kitchens and construction. I hate to be stereotypical, but that's where the majority of the illegals work. Also, if they're going to come to our country to learn, we shouldn't have to learn Spanish so we can suit the needs of people who snuck over here illegally. Yes getting a Visa can be hard, so instead of everyone coming over here for a better life, they can start working on their own country. I know they live in oppression, poverty, yadda yadda, w/e. They can still start to make their country better. Their government's bad? Organize a resistance.

You know I think I've already voiced everything and I'm repeating myself right now, but on I go.

Anyways, moving on. Even if they don't notice a change right away, if they keep working at it, and get everyone working at it, their country can become better. It may take several generations, but if they don't do it because of that, it's their selfish fault. People can't just expect their lives to be better all of a sudden.

But anyways, I don't feel it should be the United States' responsibility to police the rest of the world or have to take care of the rest of the world. I mean, for Christ's sake, they hate us. Why should we go out of our way to be nice to people. I've got an isolationists ideas in mind right now, but don't think we should totally isolate ourselves like we've done with exception of war time before WWII. We need to maintain trading relations, and keep trading and push for a profit instead of continually pushing ourselves into debt, but that's a different debate and runs deep in the government and bureaucracy.

Anyways, I feel I'm ranting now, so I'll wait for a response to what I've said to continue

Posted by: radhikaeatsraman Aug 25 2007, 02:05 PM

I think you need to keep a more open mind about language learning. I agree that we shouldn't be policing the world, but we need to maintain good relations with other countries. And Spanish isn't just for the illegal immigrants that come here - it is also a powerful business language. As are Chinese & Hindi. In addition, we have second-generation Americans who want to learn their heritage languages. If they already know English, shouldn't we give them the opportunity to learn other languages? I also don't see what is wrong with learning about a new culture & a new language. We need to open our minds & hearts to other places in the world; understanding other cultures is the only way we can achieve peace.

Like it or not, Steven, Spanish is a useful language to know if you're running a construction business or a restaurant. Also, by 2050, the Hispanic population is expected to triple. [http://latinostories.com/Latino_Facts_and_Statistics/Census_Stats_Latinos/Latino_Population_Projections.htm] That's serious money to be made right there. Just because illegals generally work in construction or other low-skilled jobs, doesn't mean they don't have purchasing power or we shouldn't try to be on good terms with them.

Posted by: Steven Aug 25 2007, 07:51 PM

I'm not saying that it's useless by any means, nor should learning a second language be ignored. I know enough spanish to get around in nearly any spanish speaking country, and enough to know what the soccer players are saying on the field or what the workers are saying in the back. I know that it's a useful language like Chinese but world-wide, english is the dominant business language. People should focus on becoming better speakers of their own language before they try to master another one.

Posted by: radhikaeatsraman Aug 26 2007, 12:16 PM

You've put yourself in a tight spot, bud.
Most illegal immigrants that come to the United States do not have a high school diploma, and their Spanish is usually not proper; so according to your argument here, they should focus on learning better Spanish before learning English!

Posted by: Steven Aug 26 2007, 01:16 PM

Nah, didn't put myself in a tight spot. You misinterpreted what I said. That last statement was aimed at native english speakers.

Posted by: radhikaeatsraman Aug 26 2007, 03:01 PM

Well, it sure didn't say that.
Anyway, there's nothing wrong with learning two languages at the same time while you're young. In fact, young children have an easier time learning languages, and multilingual children have better language skills overall. Why not promote multilingualism in such a multicultural land?

Posted by: anydaynow Aug 26 2007, 03:11 PM

I don't care as long as they speak English.
But I don't think they should be able to just climb a fence and expect all the rights that other people who worked really hard to get here legally got. That's like slapping the ones who came here legally in the face.

Posted by: Steven Aug 26 2007, 04:14 PM

Again, I'm not discouraging it so stop assuming I am. People would be better off being able to speak their language and convey what they're trying to say in an intelligent matter than being able to speak your language okay and be able to half-ass speak another. If you can communicate with your employer during an interview and come off as highly intelligent sounding, it gives you a better chance of being hired. Most jobs you don't have a necessity to speak spanish in.

You've got your views, and I've got mine. You're considerably more liberal in your views (from what I've seen), and I'm highly conservative. It's gonna be hard for us to come to an agreement.

Edit: Anydaynow, please refrain from posting to the original topic when there's a clear discussion going on. Read the last page and join in on the discussion. Thanks :)
(Oh yeah, it says that in the sticky btw, the one titled "READ BEFORE POSTING")

Posted by: radhikaeatsraman Aug 26 2007, 07:31 PM

Agreed, we should stop.

BACK TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, PEOPLE.

Posted by: Uronacid Aug 27 2007, 09:05 AM

I think we should shoot illegal immigrants. I just think that if we shot them and they noticed that people who came to American where being shot if they didn't own a green card, we would have less problems in this area. We would also have more jobs :D.

Posted by: faydedprimadonna Aug 28 2007, 09:01 PM

^i'm with you on that one! i hear that what a bunch of native americans are doing on their reservation borders... i'm all about immigration, don't get me wrong! my ancestors were immirants, but they did it the right way! they followed all the legal channels and became CITIZENS... i'm so f**king tired of everyone else in the world thinking that america is the f**king mommy country... "oh well our country went to shit, let's go to america! they'll fix everything..." if we didn't have issues with unemployment, homelessness, education, social security, and poverty, then by all means, let 'em all in... until then, CLOSE THE f**kING BORDERS! TAKE CARE OF YOUR OWN BEFORE YOU TRY TO TAKE CARE OF EVERYBODY ELSE! besides, bush and kennedy are only pro-amnesty because if they let all the illegals become citizens, who do you think they're gonna vote for? SELFISH BASTARDS ARE TEARING THIS COUNTRY APART!

Posted by: LoveDanceSoul Sep 6 2007, 05:04 PM

Its just wrong, and is becoming probably the largest issue in America today. There's a problem when its expected that Mexicans [not hispanics in general] will make up 50% of the Californian population by 2012. You also have a large group of Illegals who refuse to learn english, which I find to be extremely disrespectful. If I were even going to visit another country that didnt speak my language, I would learn enough to get by. Its also a problem when you're demanding rights, but you werent even supposed to be here in the first place. The effects of this overflow of people are horrible. A slow economy, predatory loans, overcrowding, etc. If you want to immigrate, you should go through the proper protocols and it would be much easier for you to gain rights.

Posted by: flaymzofice Sep 6 2007, 09:30 PM

Sorry, haven't been keeping up with my world affairs, but it's an issue that gets pushed to the backburner here in the UK and like a couple of the people who have posted here, I could justifiably be accused of racism against my own kind, for saying illegal Chinese immigrants should be deported.

That's not to show lack of empathy with their plight, or that of any other illegal immigrant, but why should I show sympathy if they can't show a little understanding of what their presence in our country (UK or US) means to us?

It would seem education is the basis for reaching any sort of understanding, since we clearly realise the full consequence of their being in our country, positive (taking the jobs nobody else wants) and negative (healthcare, taxes etc etc) but obviously all they see is the light at the end of the tunnel with no consideration for the source of that light (just to go with the analogy).

I'm Conservative so I'm pretty much bound to have these views, but I just don't see why a desperate situation back home, gives anyone the right to run away from it and invade someone elses. And I'm also glad that all (US & UK) laws have been amended to cater for the deportation of illegal immigrants despite having given birth to a child on foreign soil. And yet in the UK at least, there is still a catastrophic failure to properly implement these laws - the number of illegal Chinese immigrants ripping off our welfare system makes me pretty angry and only reiterates my belief that laissez faire is the way forward - if you want something, work for it. Just like everyone else.

Posted by: faydedprimadonna Sep 6 2007, 10:23 PM

i agree wholeheartedly... i spent a semester in spain my junior year and i was constantly berated by the spanish that i didn't speak enough of their language... i knew enough to make it by, but they were still a little put off that i had to use alot of english...

if you're going to invade someone's country, at least have the common decency to try to blend in... of course you don't have civil rights... maybe if you spoke some english you might understand the constitution...

QUOTE

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

that means we take care of america and americans... not every f**king minority sick of their own country... i'm so f**king tired of illegals raping this country and making a mockery of it's laws... they're ALREADY criminals for crossing the border in the first place... i'm supposing that people don't know what the word illegal means...

QUOTE

illegal

adjective
prohibited by law or by official or accepted rules

you don't speak english... here you go!

QUOTE

Arabic: غَيْر قانوني، غَيْر شَرْعي
Chinese (Simplified): 非法的，违法的，不合规定的
Chinese (Traditional): 非法的，違法的
Czech: zakázaný
Danish: ulovlig; strafbar; illegal
Dutch: onwettig
Estonian: seadusevastane
Finnish: laiton
French: illégal
German: ungesetzlich
Greek: παράνομος
Hungarian: törvénytelen, illegális
Icelandic: ólöglegur
Indonesian: hukum
Italian: illegale
Japanese: 不法の
Korean: 불법의
Latvian: nelikumīgs; pretlikumīgs; nelegāls
Lithuanian: neteisėtas, nelegalus
Norwegian: ulovlig, illegal, lovstridig
Polish: nielegalny
Portuguese (Brazil): ilegal
Portuguese (Portugal): ilegal
Romanian: ile­gal
Russian: противозаконный
Slovak: zakázaný, nezákonný
Slovenian: nezakonit
Spanish: ilegal
Swedish: illegal, olaglig
Turkish: kanuna aykırı

you don't want to assimilate? you don't want to speak english? you want a green card so bad? you want to carry your mexican flag while protesting for american rights... you f**king love mexico so much, GO BACK YOU f**kING SPICKS! WE DON'T WANT YOU! WE DON'T NEED YOU! GET THE f**k OUT OF MY COUNTRY OR STOP BITCHING!

p.s. that goes for ALL the illegal immigrants... i realize that the mexican invasion is the forefront of the illegals debate, but there are also a mass amount of jamaicans, brazilians, bulgarians, and hatians invading as well... so don't feel bad mexicans, i'm picking on the others too

Posted by: The-Abominable-CPillar Sep 16 2007, 01:12 PM

I think we should patrol the boarder with apache helicopters armed with 0.50 caliber machine guns. If we see one of those fuckers crossing the line we should gun them down. Evenually we'll paint the boarder red with the blood of civilians. Then we can tell people not to cross the red line. Maybe someday we'll see it from space.

Posted by: lilsnoopy Sep 16 2007, 02:40 PM

I CAME TO AMERICA LEGALLY!!!!
^_______________^

AND YOU SHOULD TOO you stupid ppl who wont even try to intergrate into american society by learning the language....

Posted by: lonnie2009 Nov 30 2009, 12:53 PM

11-30-2009 Las Vegas, NV These Illegal Mexicans are stealing anything they can get there hands on. They have invaded the U.S. Border for the last 30 years and expect freebies or any kind from the United States. They have stolen any thing they can, Including Social Security Numbers, Education, Medical treatments from Hospitals They are also cowards. Why don't they go back to Mexico and fight the Drug Wars? They have perfected the art of fogery, fraud, Identy Theft. They are to stupid or lazy to learn English, So the Government has catered to them in many forms. Including sending out sample voting ballets printed in Spainish. If they don't speak English they shouldn't be in the United States. They cost the local County Hospital, 24 MILLION a year in free cancer treatments. These Mexicans at estamated total of about 80, get free Medical in Clark County without a thought that Nevada taxpayers are footing the bill.
They sell tomalies door to door, without a Clark County Health Card or Bussiness License, so they don't pay a State Sales Tax, they sell bottled water on the Strip with no Health Card, or Bussines License. They hang out in front of Home Depot, Star Nursery, U-Haul truck rental looking for day labor, No Social Security or Medicare is paid by these ILLEGAL MEXICANS, they are illegal just by being in the United States, and break any law they want, if they get caught they get deported and will be back in about a week. It's time the United States got really serious about DEPORTING ALL THE MEXICANS. The average American Citizen should not have to support these people, and hand out freebies, such as Food Stamps, TANF, Education, Welfare, Medical Treatments, to a group of people who Clearlily ILLEGAL, for every One Dollar the Mexicans are paying into the System, they take out THREE DOLLARS. Enough is Enough Mexicans go Home.

Posted by: NoSex Nov 30 2009, 08:17 PM

^ racist much?

Posted by: serotonin Nov 30 2009, 08:42 PM

Deservedly so those wet ones are only good for mowing lawns and cooking in chinese kitchens.

Posted by: vehvih Jul 21 2010, 11:39 PM

I don't care where the hell they come from, whatever motive they have, I just want them to pay their taxes like how I pay mine as a immigrant who has citizenship.

People think they get benefits when they start becoming documented. No, THE GOVERNMENT TAKE TAXES FROM THEIR INCOME.

Don't you get it???? And if they get citizenship, they get taxed, maybe, just maybe it will help a little fraction of our deficit. A little is better than nothing.

Just imagine how many people will start getting taxed once they're documented.

And when they're legal, I want to make sure they are getting taxed. Everyone of them.

Posted by: Uronacid Jul 30 2010, 09:12 AM

I'm discusted with our federal gov't and the way they're handling Arizona at the moment. I can't blame Arizona for enforcing federal law with their police force. We have similar problems in upstate New York because Illegals come in to work for the horse track in Saratoga durring the summer months. Illegals often commit rediculous crimes. These are crimes that would not have been commited had they been deported in the first place. Companies that hire illegals should be advertised as such if proper procedures aren't taken durring the hiring process.

Posted by: serotonin Jul 30 2010, 09:13 AM

they took our jobs

Posted by: vehvih Aug 3 2010, 01:22 PM

They didn't take your jobs honey, the companies hired them over you because they're cheap.

Posted by: serotonin Aug 3 2010, 02:18 PM

THEY
TOOK
OUR
JEBSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Posted by: ArjunaCapulong Aug 3 2010, 03:05 PM

man i love mexican food

Posted by: Tomates Aug 3 2010, 03:43 PM

Too spicy for me.

Posted by: serotonin Aug 3 2010, 05:45 PM

texas has the best mexican food in the world

Posted by: ArjunaCapulong Aug 3 2010, 06:04 PM

and also more mexicans

Posted by: aflyingcumshot Aug 3 2010, 07:42 PM

mexicans supply my herbal remedies

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Aug 7 2010, 01:59 PM

Posted by: smash Aug 11 2010, 09:52 PM

lies. i'm sure mexico does and arizona has the best mexican food in the U.S.

Posted by: Uronacid Aug 18 2010, 01:16 PM

jobs...

Posted by: serotonin Aug 18 2010, 01:34 PM

ignorance.

Posted by: dosomethin888 Aug 21 2010, 01:25 AM

Go Arizona! Woot woot!