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UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE., just because everyone else does it...
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NoSex
post Aug 23 2009, 07:14 PM
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so, why the f*ck don't we have universal healthcare?
 
 
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post Aug 24 2009, 12:21 PM
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1. we already pay for illegal immigrants, if we didn't we wouldn't have emergency clinics.
2. generally, a universal care service would only be available to citizens. so, no, illegal immigrants would not receive it. for example, the current bill being proposed has a provision which explicitly excludes illegal citizens from receiving coverage under the public program.
3. over a ten year plan, we would need to raise taxes only of those persons making $280,000 or more a year. & of joint incomes ranging between $350,000-500,000 only a 1% surtax will be applied. those making over one million dollars a year will be taxed the maxim surtax, 5%.
4. if we don't control the cost of healthcare now, we will be paying more for it later: over the last decade, healthcare premiums have doubled &, even further, the growth of healthcare costs have risen above the growth of GDP.
5. you sort of are being heartless; some of us think that decent healthcare is a human right.
6. doctors will be paid less, but as doctors are already handsomely compensated for their work, they will still maintain a position of tremendous comfort. best of all, they will finally be able to do their job, without having to wait for approval from an insurance industry. doctors go to school to help people, not to make money --- or at least, that's the way it should be.
7. in america, we wait longer for services than people in germany and in france (both of which have universal healthcare).
8. the world health organization has ranked the quality of america's healthcare as 37. this means that the WHO has identified that there are 36 systems currently operating @ a higher quality than our own system. a vast majority of those systems have a fully integrated single-payer system, including france, norway, germany, and italy.
 

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NoSex   UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE.   Aug 23 2009, 07:14 PM
kryogenix   Because you touch yourself at night. /thread   Aug 23 2009, 07:29 PM
KaraYankit   I don't think everyone should have it... it wo...   Aug 23 2009, 07:56 PM
NoSex   1. we already pay for illegal immigrants, if we di...   Aug 24 2009, 12:21 PM
KaraYankit   QUOTE(NoSex @ Aug 24 2009, 01:21 PM) 1. w...   Aug 25 2009, 12:00 AM
penpen15   QUOTE(KaraYankit @ Aug 25 2009, 01:00 AM)...   Aug 25 2009, 03:58 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(NoSex @ Aug 24 2009, 01:21 PM) 1. w...   Aug 25 2009, 08:26 AM
coconutter   less town hall meetings more healthcare reform plx   Aug 24 2009, 08:34 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(coconutter @ Aug 24 2009, 09:34 PM)...   Aug 25 2009, 02:14 AM
colddesert   ^ Regardless of the debate, there is nothing wrong...   Aug 24 2009, 10:05 PM
NoSex   QUOTE(colddesert @ Aug 24 2009, 10:05 PM)...   Aug 24 2009, 11:57 PM
doughnut   man, i forgot what the heath care system is like h...   Aug 25 2009, 08:36 AM
Uronacid   One of the biggest reasons I worry about Public He...   Aug 27 2009, 12:37 PM
hermes   so what is obama's proposition?, i see this cr...   Aug 27 2009, 07:16 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(hermes @ Aug 27 2009, 08:16 PM) so ...   Aug 28 2009, 08:53 AM
NoSex   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Aug 28 2009, 08:53 AM) H...   Aug 28 2009, 03:28 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(NoSex @ Aug 28 2009, 04:28 PM) in f...   Aug 29 2009, 03:54 AM
NoSex   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Aug 29 2009, 03:54 AM) ...   Aug 29 2009, 11:29 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(NoSex @ Aug 30 2009, 12:29 AM) 1. i...   Aug 30 2009, 03:25 PM
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doughnut   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Sep 11 2009, 05:07 AM) ...   Sep 15 2009, 09:45 AM
superstitious   QUOTE(doughnut @ Sep 15 2009, 09:45 AM) t...   Sep 15 2009, 10:21 AM
mipadi   QUOTE(superstitious @ Sep 15 2009, 11:21 ...   Sep 15 2009, 10:27 AM
superstitious   QUOTE(mipadi @ Sep 15 2009, 10:27 AM) Do ...   Sep 15 2009, 10:59 AM
NoSex   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Sep 10 2009, 04:07 PM) ...   Oct 3 2009, 10:21 AM
synkiro   i don't want to pay a 1% surtax ;| -whines-   Aug 29 2009, 10:51 AM
coffeeandacasio   At has nothing to do with immigrants, taxes, etc. ...   Aug 31 2009, 01:04 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(coffeeandacasio @ Aug 31 2009, 02:0...   Aug 31 2009, 05:17 AM
NoSex   p.s. the issue is finding a healthcare system that...   Sep 1 2009, 04:47 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(NoSex @ Sep 1 2009, 05:47 PM) p.s. ...   Sep 2 2009, 08:20 AM
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superstitious   QUOTE(mipadi @ Sep 3 2009, 02:02 PM) So h...   Sep 3 2009, 02:38 PM
drinksmokefuck   QUOTE(mipadi @ Sep 4 2009, 03:02 AM) I be...   Sep 3 2009, 05:08 PM
IamLegend   QUOTE(drinksmokef*ck @ Sep 3 2009, 05:08 ...   Sep 3 2009, 09:10 PM
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IamLegend   QUOTE(Insurmountable @ Sep 3 2009, 10:29 ...   Sep 4 2009, 10:45 PM
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IamLegend   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Sep 14 2009, 04:39 PM) I...   Sep 15 2009, 09:15 PM
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mipadi   QUOTE(NoSex @ Sep 18 2009, 03:07 AM) the ...   Sep 19 2009, 11:06 AM
mipadi   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Sep 16 2009, 09:44 AM) I...   Sep 17 2009, 08:10 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(drinksmokef*ck @ Sep 3 2009, 06:08 ...   Sep 9 2009, 11:57 AM
irishcarbombs   QUOTE(mipadi @ Sep 9 2009, 09:57 AM) This...   Sep 9 2009, 08:13 PM
superstitious   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Sep 3 2009, 07:29 AM) Mo...   Sep 3 2009, 09:39 AM
mipadi   QUOTE(superstitious @ Sep 3 2009, 10:39 A...   Sep 3 2009, 09:49 AM
superstitious   QUOTE(mipadi @ Sep 3 2009, 09:49 AM) This...   Sep 3 2009, 10:01 AM
mipadi   Well, I think you (Rebecca) bring up a couple of m...   Sep 3 2009, 03:06 PM
brooklyneast05   i thought of you this morning rebecca when i was r...   Sep 4 2009, 11:59 AM
brooklyneast05   another good article: http://www.theatlantic.com/...   Sep 5 2009, 01:23 PM
synkiro   i currently don't have health insurance, but i...   Sep 9 2009, 02:14 PM
brooklyneast05   ^ but what i don't get it is what good does hi...   Sep 17 2009, 11:32 AM
NoSex   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Sep 17 2009, 11:32...   Sep 18 2009, 02:07 AM
colddesert   Universal Healthcare = death, slow and steady, wit...   Sep 20 2009, 02:38 AM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(colddesert @ Sep 20 2009, 02:38 AM)...   Sep 20 2009, 10:31 AM
doughnut   QUOTE(colddesert @ Sep 20 2009, 03:38 PM)...   Sep 20 2009, 10:37 AM
colddesert   QUOTE(doughnut @ Sep 20 2009, 09:37 AM) h...   Sep 23 2009, 03:21 PM
buckwild-kingdom   no its called stupid   Sep 23 2009, 06:37 PM
colddesert   ^ Well, that also.   Sep 24 2009, 01:01 AM
NoSex   i love how the opposition here has more or less ig...   Sep 27 2009, 02:00 AM
kryogenix   says the guy who's been ignoring my posts in t...   Oct 1 2009, 06:36 AM
kryogenix   LOGICAL FALLACY LOGICAL FALLACY I'm not going...   Nov 28 2009, 06:06 AM
NoSex   i have no idea what you want from me. you say the ...   Nov 29 2009, 04:37 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(NoSex @ Nov 29 2009, 04:37 AM) i ha...   Nov 29 2009, 01:22 PM
NoSex   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Nov 29 2009, 12:22 PM) ...   Nov 29 2009, 08:49 PM
kryogenix   No you don't, you merely parrot off the same t...   Nov 30 2009, 04:45 AM
NoSex   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Nov 30 2009, 03:45 AM) ...   Nov 30 2009, 08:35 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(NoSex @ Nov 30 2009, 08:35 PM) IT S...   Dec 1 2009, 05:58 AM
Tomates   im going to put my own 2 cents in here. My mother...   Dec 2 2009, 05:45 PM
karmakiller   QUOTE(Tomates @ Dec 2 2009, 04:45 PM) Whi...   Dec 2 2009, 07:17 PM
serotonin   QUOTE(karmakiller @ Dec 2 2009, 06:17 PM)...   Dec 2 2009, 07:29 PM
Tomates   QUOTE(karmakiller @ Dec 2 2009, 07:17 PM)...   Dec 2 2009, 07:55 PM
paozuu   QUOTE(Tomates @ Dec 2 2009, 06:45 PM) im ...   Dec 11 2009, 02:10 AM
karmakiller   You must forgive me, Steven, I'm from the nort...   Dec 2 2009, 08:34 PM
Tomates   QUOTE(karmakiller @ Dec 2 2009, 08:34 PM)...   Dec 2 2009, 09:29 PM
Kontroll   QUOTE(NoSex @ Aug 23 2009, 08:14 PM) so, ...   Dec 10 2009, 09:21 AM
aflyingcumshot   QUOTE(Kontroll @ Dec 10 2009, 06:21 AM) T...   Mar 23 2010, 12:25 AM
Cum   so guyz... about that healthcare being passed.   Mar 22 2010, 09:14 PM
Tomates   QUOTE(Cum @ Mar 22 2010, 10:14 PM) so guy...   Mar 23 2010, 05:18 PM
doughnut   ^what has that got to do with anything? the delay...   Mar 24 2010, 05:06 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(doughnut @ Mar 24 2010, 06:06 AM) ^...   Mar 25 2010, 09:55 AM
doughnut   healthcare should be in the public sector because ...   Mar 25 2010, 10:22 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(doughnut @ Mar 25 2010, 11:22 AM) h...   Mar 25 2010, 03:35 PM
aflyingcumshot   cmon, she lives in China   Mar 25 2010, 06:44 PM
doughnut   QUOTE(aflyingcumshot @ Mar 26 2010, 07:44...   Mar 26 2010, 01:10 AM
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