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Posted by: BamBamBoogie Nov 12 2008, 01:49 PM

I think that everyone should THINK before posting. Thanks.

Posted by: kryogenix Nov 12 2008, 01:59 PM

n*gga please.

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Nov 12 2008, 02:07 PM

So its okay to just allow it to be recognized as an actual word? It was once legal to keep slaves. Its now banned, but in some areas of the world it still exists. Should we have just kept slavery since people are going to do it anyway or find new ways to do it?

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Nov 12 2008, 02:15 PM

Actually it is equal if you think about it. Slavery was powered partly by words. Many slaves were enslaved simply because they didn't undestand english. Many were manipulated into thinking that slavery was justified by the Bible, which was written in English. They also could not escape because they could not read English signs and directions. Language can be used as a tool to manipulate people. It can be twisted into all forms of propaganda. Knowledge is Power as Thomas Jefferson said, a man who owned slaves as well. Being able to understand English is a form of Knowledge which is power and therefore allows u to manipulate or enslave others mentally, as well as physically with words.

Posted by: RCKstarh Nov 12 2008, 03:32 PM

i think it's just a word...
even african americans use it with eachother as a sign of friendship or used as a pronoun to represent a guy (sometimes grl)
even tho it should no longer be thought of as a racist word towards blacks it still does. But if the english language does rid of it, they have to rid of "cracker" "s**c" and any other racial slur

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Nov 12 2008, 04:07 PM

no it should not be banned. we don't ban other words, why ban it. besides it's not going to stop anyone from saying it.....

Posted by: paperplane Nov 12 2008, 04:10 PM

what the hell does that even mean? It's already regarded as profanity.

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Nov 12 2008, 04:11 PM

I agree that the other words should be banned. I dont think blacks should call each other the "n" word either. Many say its a word for friendship. Yea? Well let's see Caucasion or any other race call an african-american the "n" word. I guarantee they will feel offended and react very unfriendly. The same thing goes for "cracker" and any other offensive racial words. If you want a word to call each other as friends, make a new one, don't just try to change a previously offensive word to a friendly word. If that was the case we might as well call each other assholes to be friendly.



Murder is banned. People still do it. Should we make that okay just because people keep doing it?



Actually, its still regarded as a word. Research may come in handy for this topic.

Posted by: only-tuesdays Nov 12 2008, 04:15 PM

Your argument is reaching a bit far. There is a huge difference between banning a word, and keeping murder illegal. While it isn't a word I like, there is no reason to "ban" it. Since when did we start censoring the language? It has a completely different meaning today, than it did years ago when it was used as a racial slur. People still use it in that context, but it's just a word.

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Nov 12 2008, 04:15 PM

murder physically hurts someone. people walking around saying the nword doesn't physically hurt someone. that was the dumbest thing i have heard on here in a long time. why the hell do you think murder is anything like saying a word? wtf? do you want to arrest people for saying a word? how are you going to "ban" it?

Posted by: Tung Nov 12 2008, 04:18 PM

Ever heard of freedom of speech?

Posted by: paperplane Nov 12 2008, 04:19 PM

No kidding. It is a word, and it will not ever cease to be a word, whether it is "banned" or not.

Posted by: Saikou Nov 12 2008, 04:28 PM

"I disagree with what you say, but i defend to the death your right to say it".
It would be pointless to ban a word,you cant stop people from saying it in private.
Freedom of speech imo.

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Nov 12 2008, 04:34 PM

Everyone continues to say "its just a word." If it is just a word, then why can't anyone use it at anytime without anyone feeling umcomfortable. Maybe I shouldn't have said banned because you're right a word can't be banned. However, it should be removed from the English language. Freedom of speech is indeed important and people should be allowed to say what they want. However, if we continue to regard it as an actual word, we are saying that it is okay for us to use such an offensive term. People say it doesn't mean the same thing. That's bull. It may not in certain contexts, but as I said earlier everyone can't use it, therefore proving that is offensive and should not be regarded as an actual word.

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Nov 12 2008, 04:36 PM

Of course saying a word isnt like murder. However, it was an example to prove my point. Im not saying make a law to not say the word, Im saying not to regard it as an actual word.

Posted by: Tung Nov 12 2008, 04:36 PM

Nobody is saying it's okay to use an offensive term. The fact is, you can't ban a word. People are going to still stay it regardless.

I feel like this Debate topic is going in circles.

Edit : Please stop double posting. if you like to add something to say, please edit your post.

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Nov 12 2008, 04:37 PM

you can't take a word and make it not a word anymore, that makes no sense. it's a word, it's been a word, and it will always be a word. words don't have to be good to be words. words can be offensive and still be words. the intent or meaning of a word doesn't change the fact that...it's a word.

we regard all words as words...because they are.

Posted by: paperplane Nov 12 2008, 04:41 PM

You cannot remove a word from the English language. That makes no f*cking sense. You certainly can't punish people for saying something that's not "regarded as a word." Making a big deal out of this will only prolong the inherent offensive meaning of the term.

Posted by: heartquasm Nov 12 2008, 04:44 PM

And here I was, thinking that the Bible was originally written in Hebrew. -_-

Words are just words, whether they're derogatory or not. People choose not to say words because of the history behind them and that's perfectly fine. You can't just erase a word like it never existed. You can't effectively ban a word and expect people to comply. What you CAN do is try to impress upon others that using words in a way to hurt others is a bitchass thing to do.

While we're at this whole banning of words issue, you might as well fight to ban all the other words in the English language that might be marked as offensive.

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Nov 12 2008, 04:51 PM

I don't think everyone is paying attention. Of course you can't punish someone for saying a word. My POINT IS (please read clearly) that the word should not be regarded as a ACTUAL word. When I say actual I mean FORMAL. By formal I mean allowing it to be printed in the dictionary. AINT is not a formaal word and therefore is not listed in the dictionary. However, it is still a word because it is made of letters. Of course the nword will always be a word, but it shouldn't be part of the FORMAL ENGLISH LANGUAGE. I also believe that any other offensive racial terms should not be regarded as english either. Maybe slang, but not english. I really hope that everyone reads this correctly because it seems as though a lot of people here are close-minded and are not understanding my point clearly.

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Nov 12 2008, 04:54 PM

Tell me, does the average american use a Hebrew bible? I don't think so. Nor do I think slaveowners had Hebrew bibles. Either way it doesnt matter because slaves couldn't read either one

Posted by: Saikou Nov 12 2008, 04:59 PM

oh,now i understand a little better what you were trying to say.
The N word has pretty much left a stain on the english language,that cant just be erased.Trying to just make it disappear,would be like erasing History;...sort of like covering up what things happened because of it...be it tragedy or change.<--- Im not really good at explaining things,but maybe somebody will get what im getting at,lol.(Random:I did read about the whole Bible thing ,today actually >_>)

Posted by: heartquasm Nov 12 2008, 05:04 PM

Just because people don't get your point, doesn't make them close-minded. It makes you really bad at communicating and/or getting your point across.

And now that I get your point, I still disagree. If by "N-word" you mean n****er, then fyi, it is already considered slang. If by "N-word" you mean negro, I feel like the word has been a part of our history for so long and, though it is considered an archaic ethnic slur now, still belongs in our dictionary. Not every word in the dictionary sheds a positive light on everything and just because you happen to disagree with the usage of this word doesn't mean it should be taken out.

Posted by: paperplane Nov 12 2008, 05:05 PM

It's not about closed-mindedness, it's a matter of you conveying your point horribly. You'd rather accuse everyone of not thinking or doing sufficient research, rather than make an effort to make yourself clear.

Ain't is not in the dictionary because it's a contraction, and not even a proper one at that. I don't think there are any contractions in the dictionary (I don't have a real dictionary so I can't check, but I assume). Regardless, I don't know what make you think disregarding n****er as a word would change its meaning or usage at all. Pretending [potentially] offensive words don't exist does not make them less [potentially] offensive.

Posted by: only-tuesdays Nov 12 2008, 05:08 PM

Just because it has a negative connotation doesn't mean it shouldn't be regarded as english. This whole "debate" is silly.

Pitt Bulls have a negative stigma. Therefore, they shouldn't be considered a breed or even type of dog. They are an animal, and they are canine, but that is where it ends.

See my point?

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Nov 12 2008, 05:19 PM

Hmm...

well it seems as though Im not proving my point effectively so Im just gonna say agree to disagree. I just feel as though we shouldnt continue to justify racial terms as words because they've been around for a while. The berlin wall was around for a while but it got torn down. The history is still there, of course you cant erase it, but efforts were made to ease the pain of the harm caused by it. It would be more comforting for an individual to open a dictionary without seeing words such as "cracker" and "n****er" or "Negro" or whatever.

I do want to say that you all made very good points and I appreciate the participation in this debate. I just wish that more of you could understand my points better.

Posted by: paperplane Nov 12 2008, 05:26 PM

But taking down a physical object is completely different from getting rid of a word.

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Nov 12 2008, 05:35 PM

Not neccessarily. They both have some type of symbolic meaning. Keeping these words are like keeping a dog that bit your left butt cheek off lol. They both hurt whether its physical, emotional, or mental, it hurts. Removing the reminder is one step towards soothing some of that pain.

Posted by: dosomethin888 Nov 12 2008, 05:47 PM

nope. its a word and we have freedom to say it.

Posted by: Joss-eh-lime Nov 12 2008, 05:56 PM

first, i dont think its possible to BAN a word.
second, i dont like the word nor do i use it, but it is what some people use to express a thought or feeling so who am i to tell them they can't say it.

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Nov 12 2008, 05:57 PM

Did you even read the forum?

Posted by: paperplane Nov 12 2008, 06:05 PM

But the difference is that you cannot remove a word. Removing a word from the dictionary won't remove it from the vernacular. The Berlin Wall did have a symbolic meaning, but it wasn't just a symbolic meaning. It had a physical presence, that had a very direct effect on people's lives.

Posted by: mipadi Nov 12 2008, 06:22 PM

This sounds a lot like the "Newspeak" described in 1984. For those not familiar, the fictional government in 1984 removed words from the English language in an attempt to shape and forbid thoughts. In essence, you can't think and express something if you have no words to do so. And this is very true: studies of language have shown that people have different ideas based on their native language. For example, there's a tribe in the Amazon that doesn't have any words for numbers; in the 1800s, Christian missionaries tried to teach these people how to count, but they found it was impossible to teach the tribespeople how to count beyond 2 or 3, because they had no words for doing so in their native tongue.

But I think racial slurs are so entrenched in our language that there's no way to remove them, even if they aren't recognized as an actual word. So I'm against banning the word "n****er" from English because (a) I don't agree with censorship to begin with, and (b) it wouldn't work anyway.

Posted by: Aberisk Nov 12 2008, 07:54 PM

the people who use the nword just look like idiots and the ones who dont use it are normal. If the nword gets "banned" then so should the f, s, etc words. I dont think it has the same impact as a derogatory term anymore because people who once fell victim to that word are using it like nothing? :]

Posted by: coconutter Nov 12 2008, 08:02 PM

there is no word that can be "banned" words are ideas.

you can't take ideas from people, at the moment..

Posted by: Joss-eh-lime Nov 12 2008, 08:03 PM

aberisk: its not true that the people currently using the n word were once victim of it.. if everyone today knew how awful it felt to be called that on the daily, this word would not be as common a slang term.

Posted by: coconutter Nov 12 2008, 08:19 PM

woahhh...huh?

i was just saying it's impossible to ban ideas (words are ideas), or rid of ideas unless the entire society has become extinct or we get some crazy technology

i truly doubt you're maliciously called n****er every day

if you are, I'd suggest moving

Posted by: YukkaPukka Nov 12 2008, 09:02 PM

No matter what, you really can't stop someone from saying n****er. It shouldn't be removed from the English language, and the word doesn't always mean 'a black person'. I know someone, who is 100% NOT racist, and uses the word 'n****er' to describe a stupid person, no someone of any set race.

That's like wanting to ban CHink. CHink wasn't originally used to describe a person of chinese decent. It was used as another word for money, or a narrow opening.

Also, you've been asked not to double/triple post several times. I think it might be best not to do that again :D

Posted by: AyeVickaye Nov 12 2008, 09:04 PM

True dat and what RCKstarh said.

Posted by: Tomates Nov 12 2008, 09:06 PM

First of all how do you ban a word, i mean if you say it whats going to happen, so what if it gets banned people will probably just say it anyways and besides are we going to hire vocab police to make sure we dont say it or get punished if we do? Thats just ridiculous.

Face it, people are going to say it either offensivly or jokinly.

Posted by: paperplane Nov 12 2008, 09:07 PM

Do try reading the thread, people. It's only on the second page.

Posted by: Tomates Nov 12 2008, 09:08 PM

people are reading it, but there really isnt much to read of it except for everyones input. Afterall she posted by saying how people should think before saying it which really doesnt say much to me.

Posted by: Joss-eh-lime Nov 12 2008, 09:14 PM

oops sorry i meant that for the post above you...

Posted by: MolecularStudios Nov 12 2008, 09:14 PM

You can't ban a word.

Posted by: YukkaPukka Nov 12 2008, 09:29 PM

That's about as simple as it can be put.

Posted by: kryogenix Nov 12 2008, 09:48 PM

Sure you can. Go shout bomb in an airport.

Posted by: dosomethin888 Nov 12 2008, 11:46 PM

Ya I did.

Posted by: fameONE Nov 12 2008, 11:57 PM

@ this topic.

Please stop victimizing Black people. It's not a good look.

Posted by: BanDaSnowman Nov 13 2008, 12:41 AM

Thought I was the only one who was snickering while reading this, now I don't feel so bad.

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Nov 13 2008, 01:46 PM

If one of your quotes is here, it is because your comments are pointless simply because they have already been brought up before. If you didn't read, please read. And if you have read it then that shows a lack of reading comprehension skills on your behalf if you did claim to have read previous remarks but still made points that have already been addressed.







Your first paragraph to me seemed a bit ignorant, and I do not mean to be at all offensive. If you know the definition of ignorant you'll understand how I don't mean to offend you. But anyway, I say that because anyone can change the connotation of a word. However, that does not change the denotation of the word which may be offensive or mean something completely different from what you may have intended. For example, people say cool all the time. The denotation is slightly colder than warm (my guess), while the connotation in a statement 'she's cool' is different. This doesn't change the fact that cool still means slightly colder thant warm, and this may cause someone who doesn't know what your connotation of the word cool is to think that you are crazy for calling someone slightly colder than warm. The same thing for the "N" word or any other offensive racial term. I can call a ball a n****er or any other offensive term. This doesn't mean that the definition is ball now. That is just a personal connotation of the word, and therefore cannot be considered valid definition.

Also, I was unaware of what double posting was because I'm new to the forums. But, i talked to an staff member and everything's worked out. I know how to use multiple quotes.

And for the record, I am NOT victimizing African-Americans. I am myself an black male who is completely non-racist. I believe that all offensive racial terms should be done away with to ensure comfortability of all people. I am also proud to say that I am a proud member of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) which was actually started after the holocaust to prevent anti-semitism, racism, discrimination, etc. That is a reason why I am passionate about this topic.



http://www.adl.org

Posted by: Tomates Nov 13 2008, 01:51 PM

They have probably been brought up before then for a reason stating that this whole topic is just ridiculous. What is there to f*cking read? All the title says is "should the N word be banned" and you just added "people should think before they talk" We have simply just stated our opinion on this. Theres not much to your post to agree about at all. I mean what do you expect? did you expect that you would have people saying "yeah i agree! lets riot about it and get our word out!!!" Atleast post a reason or something, your topic and replies are so incredibly petty that it makes me want to hurt a small child.

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Nov 13 2008, 01:56 PM

thing is, it's just pointless is what everyone is getting at. it doesn't change anything and it isn't going to make people stop saying it. you can't stop people from saying what they want to say, and i don't think anyone should try in the first place.

i wasn't raised in a household that embraced that word. i wasn't ever allowed to say any variation of it. i don't say it hardly ever, if ever. i don't call my friends that, ect. i personally think it is ridiculous...but i don't care if other people want to say it. that's their choice and i don't think they need to be censored. at the end of the day it can't be erased, or taken back, or stopped so i don't see any need in leading a crusade against a word that's not going to matter. there are way better things to fight for than the removal of a word from the dictionary.

i know people see is as some kind of symbolic gesture or something to remove it but it's not practical at all and doesn't make sense. i've been called a n****er numerous times and it would have the same effect on me whether or not it's considered a word or not...it'll still mean the same thing and people will still call me that regardless of if it's in the dictionary.

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Nov 13 2008, 02:05 PM

I believe you are referring to my first post, and that is not what I am talking about. I meant read the other comments that have been made because they have already been addressed.







I think you have made a great point. However, it is that exact mentality that its not important enough to fight for, that leads fuels inequal rights. For example, did you know that for years after Dr. King's "I have a dream" speech, there was no memorial or plaque to indicate where he stood while giving that speech? Many thought "so what? no big deal." It took a group of school kids to fight for some type of acknowledgement. Either way the speech happened, plaque or not. But it still means something to have a recognition of it. Another example is at George Washington's house. For years there was not even a leaf to honor the burial site of many slaves who weren't even all african-american. Some thought "so what? big deal." Well someone who was passionate about it worked hard to have a memorial for the burial site of a number of people who died, and fyi, there is still not an exact amount of bodies found there, although 100 is the number normally used.

My point is, despite how big or small something is, if you believe something needs to be changed, you should work 5x as hard to make that change. Or at least support efforts for change, despite what differing opinions may say.

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Nov 13 2008, 03:08 PM

ummm, i didn't say it's not important, i said it doesn't change anything. i've been to where King made his dream speech and i don't recall nor do i care if there was a plaque there or not. i don't think that really adds anything personally, it's not like it wasn't acknowledged until there was a plaque there...we've always acknowledged it. i don't think putting a plaque there changed anything. i'd like to see some sources on this big fight that it took to put a plaque up though.





i've been to Mt.Vernon, Monticello, ect. ummm i guess it's good they have something to honor the burial site now. it's not like they haven't honored it anyway. i don't get how this relates to a word really. i've never been on a tour to one of these places where the guide hasn't talked exclusively about slaves, slave quarters, slave burial, ect. i guess i don't really see the point here. it wasn't acknowledged at one point, but ya know, lots old graves aren't acknowledged...



thanks for the fyi, but i've already said i've actually been to these places and seen it so you don't have to worry about informing me that much!



look it's not going to be changed by taking it out of the dictionary or not calling it a word. that's what everyone is getting at. we're talking about a word, not a plaque that you can just make and stick somewhere and that's that. the only way to change this is for people to stop saying it, which they will have to do on their own, because you can't force away a word. so you can say it's not a word and then guess what...nothing will have changed and you won't see or hear it any less than you did before you all the sudden claimed it wasn't a word anymore. i just don't see how you're going to feel any better about it not being a word when it's still be said all the time.

you're examples don't mean that much in my opinion because you're talking about putting a physical object somewhere which isn't anything like a word which is an idea.

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Nov 13 2008, 04:00 PM

i disagree. I only gave physical examples because there has never been a "word thing." But, I still believe that it will change something. By us continuing to print the word in dictionaries and accepting it as proper, we are basically saying that it is okay for it to be used. People will still use it if they want to of course, but we can at least show a form of disapproval of the word. Otherwise we're just agreeing with the usage of it.

Posted by: coconutter Nov 13 2008, 04:24 PM

You can't automatically agree with the usage of the word if it's printed, and printing does not provoke people to use it. Not only that, it's a historical word, it belongs in dictionaries. Printing words does not provoke people you use them maliciously, that's up to the people themselves. Leave it alone, words are just words, there are none that are good or bad, it's the context they're used in that can be deemed good or bad

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Nov 13 2008, 04:44 PM

I think you've made the best argument so far. However, the last part is incorrect because there is no good way to use the "N" word.


I would like for everyone who says keep the word give a good reason for it to be kept. Like how would it be beneficial if it is kept?

Posted by: FreshYetDead Nov 13 2008, 05:25 PM

n****er means shiftless and lazy.
Its actually not a racist word, people just happen to use it in racist ways, and if we ban it, people won't care, they'll say it anyway.
Its just a word. Plus, if we ban n****er we'll have to ban a bunch of other racist words, like porch monkey, and stuff. Then gays will want f****t banned, and "small people" will want midget banned, and Spanish/Mexicans etc, will want Spick[sp?] banned.

Posted by: Joss-eh-lime Nov 13 2008, 05:28 PM

you're cool for doing that. thanks.

most of us answered what the topic asked, and even more, most went into a discussion about it, so do not try and tell us we have a lack of reading comprehension or whatever else you are saying.

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Nov 13 2008, 05:36 PM

Umm... that's not tru for majority of them ad even if you did discuss it, it was already discussed previously and the points were settled. So again, if you read where it was settled, then you didn't comprehend effectively. Otherwise, you wouldn't restate resolved arguments.



Thanks for defining it for us. I think that'll help a lot now. However, that is a new definition. But, Im pretty sure that isn't what it meant in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

However, Please read comments before posting. Many of us have addressed the whole "its just a word and if you ban it you gotta ban other words as well" thing . Just read a little so you don't sound ignorant okay?

Posted by: FreshYetDead Nov 13 2008, 05:41 PM

Alright smartass, but that is the definition, so people can and more than likely do use it racially, but that does not make it a racist word, therefore it shouldn't be banned. And if we banned it, how would African Americans refer to there friends?

Oh and thanks maybe later you can teach me how to be ignorant.
You can't tell people what to do, so stfu.


The majority DID answer the question though, and she said most of us answered it OR (thats the main word) went into discussion about it. I know everyone answered it, even if they didn't say "Yes" or "No" they still said enough to let you know if they think it should or not.

Posted by: Tomates Nov 13 2008, 06:45 PM

Im aware thats not what your initially talking about. Though if you wanted to make a point of something you should have said more, it really just seems like your looking for people to just agree with you and call the others useless because they dont.

Posted by: Hedonism Nov 13 2008, 09:02 PM

Who the f*ck uses n****er in formal literature/context?
Aside from the dictionary, of course.

Posted by: Joss-eh-lime Nov 13 2008, 11:56 PM

hey news flash ain't is in the dictionary. f*ck is in the dictionary. and n****er is in the dictionary.

words are words. its the feeling/idea behind those certain words that can not be banned.
sure, it might be beneficial to an english lover to ban every word that is considered slang or informal, and just leave "formal" words, but that would not be a complete representation of the words we use in today's english language.

[MY BAD if someone already said that.]

Posted by: Tomates Nov 14 2008, 01:49 PM

So you want a good reason? Freedom of Speech

Posted by: MissUchiha Nov 14 2008, 01:54 PM

definetly freedom of speech
and some may say this also take the "infringe on someone's happiness"
so yeah i DONT think it should be banned if you say it and someone happens to be offended all you can say is sorry

besides if it's banned someone will make up a new word

Posted by: fameONE Nov 14 2008, 04:21 PM

Trump card.

Posted by: coconutter Nov 14 2008, 05:09 PM

It could be used when trying to sympathize with slaves. Such as "these people were ridiculed and called niggers, which was sad". That's not bad, it's a historical word, people used it commonly and it used to not be an insult, and it still isn't an "insult", it's a unique word actually. Calling someone a n****er, what are you really calling them? A black person? Or a certain type of black person? If it's a certain type of black person, i could see why people wouldn't want to be put in that category, but if it's just a black person, why does it matter? I'd hope people are content with the race they are.

Posted by: karmakiller Nov 14 2008, 05:32 PM

If you were to ban the "n" word, you would have to ban all the other words that have negative connotation. A word doesn't create racism anymore than a plaque causes someone to have an emotional attachment to a location that is important to history. Sure, the tone and delivery of the word implies if the person saying it is saying it to harmful and hurtful. (I, personally, don't think there is any positive way to use the word.)

Why should we not be censored? In Nazi Germany Hitler burned books and dictated what civilians could and could not say. They were locked off from progressing as a nation. If the government starts to ban words, they are no better. I think that we need to learn how to progress and move forward. You should spend more of your time working to stop hate crimes than ban a word. If the word is taken away, the hate is still there. It gets us nowhere.

Posted by: applejaxkz Nov 14 2008, 06:53 PM

I hate when people use the word "n****er." It makes them sound ignorant.

Posted by: coconutter Nov 14 2008, 09:18 PM

huh? ^

Posted by: BanDaSnowman Nov 14 2008, 09:54 PM

I don't see why they should ban it anyway. It makes my day to see two whites calling each other nigger.

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Nov 14 2008, 10:32 PM

Freedom of speech won't be affected by removing the word from the language. They can still say it if the want. It just wont be seen as an actual word.

Bottom line is, taking the word out would be more beneficial than keeping it. No one still has not gave a good reason for it to stay and it should therefore be given the boot.

Posted by: karmakiller Nov 14 2008, 10:44 PM

lol, what? You want to go through all the trouble of banning a word so that people can still use it. That defeats the purpose of a ban.

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Nov 14 2008, 10:50 PM

It's obvious that you can't stop people from saying a word, as many others have said before. But by declaring the "N" word as not a word, in my opinion there is a sort of symbolic meaning about the process. It kinda shows that America is putting thise kinds of things behind us and unity is closer.

Also I think someone said that if the "N" word is banned black people will have nothing to call their friends-WTF?

Posted by: RCKstarh Nov 14 2008, 11:18 PM

sad that this is the way they define the word "n****er"

1. Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive. a. a black person.
b. a member of any dark-skinned people.

2. Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive. a person of any race or origin regarded as contemptible, inferior, ignorant, etc.
3. a victim of prejudice similar to that suffered by blacks; a person who is economically, politically, or socially disenfranchised


^actually looked this up. this word was once a word that defined lazy and ignorant people..... upsetting that this word now denies a "black" person. if anything, this definition should be changed back to its original meaning instead of a way to deifine a "black person"

Posted by: kryogenix Nov 15 2008, 01:44 AM

nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger

No offense.

Posted by: only-tuesdays Nov 15 2008, 02:10 AM

You haven't given a good reason for it to go. Your arguments are silly and far fetched.

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Nov 15 2008, 02:40 PM

Actually I have. The word should go simply because it is offensive and there is no good reason to keep it. By that I mean it will not be beneficial if kept. However, if it is gone, it will have a symbolic meaning to many, including races other than black.

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Nov 15 2008, 02:41 PM

This just shows ignorance. Anyone agree?

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Nov 15 2008, 02:46 PM

no

Posted by: kryogenix Nov 15 2008, 09:45 PM

Nah. This cracker gets soggy when he swims and thinks black people are some of the most enjoyable people to hang out with.

Speaking of which, JC, we should meet up when I'm in NYC this winter break.

Posted by: Tomates Nov 15 2008, 10:02 PM

That didnt make much sense at all. To me what your saying is that they can still use it even though you want to ban it...So then whats the point of banning the word if people can still use it? And people will still see it as a actual word since they have said it for years now. Theres nothing beneficial about taking the word out if people are still going to use it.

This whole thing is ignorant, your statements are ridiculous

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Nov 15 2008, 10:08 PM

Are you clear on what ignorant means? Doesn't sound like it because if you did you would see that this isn't ignorant.

Did you even read my quote?

Posted by: Tomates Nov 15 2008, 10:13 PM

Yes im clear on what it means or else i wouldnt have said it.

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Nov 15 2008, 10:18 PM

I see...

Well maybe you aren't seeing my point clearly and I've tried many times to make it clearer. It doesn't get any clearer than: (1) It will have a symbolic meaning, (2)It does no good to keep it.

Posted by: Tomates Nov 15 2008, 10:19 PM

I am seeing your point and im saying that its petty.
How clear do I have to make it now?

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Nov 15 2008, 10:27 PM

Well petty means to not be important. So are you saying that this isn't important?

Now maybe your whole reason for not seeing it as important is because you have no idea where I am coming from with this topic, or maybe the word doesn't affect you. I have many family members who have been verbally abused with many words such as this one. We consider it to be offensive because we are on the recieving end of it. However, many people see it as not so offensive because it is a word that blacks have been called by for years, so nothing should change now. I disagree and therefore believe that we should get rid of the word to show that change can and should happen and we should not accept things as they currently are. As I said before, there is absolutely no good reason for keeping this word.

Posted by: Tung Nov 15 2008, 10:36 PM

Wow, just read the last two pages. This is stupid.

Posted by: Hedonism Nov 15 2008, 10:45 PM

WTF You make no f*cking sense, no matter how you word your opinion,
Also , you're quite redundant.

"Yeah, because n****er is ignorance and, um, yeah it's symbolic of unity and n****er is ignorant, which means petty, which is what ignorant is, which if you haven't noticed is symbolic of unity."

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Nov 15 2008, 10:47 PM

You're entitled to your opinion.


Hmm... I don't recall saying that. Can you read?

Posted by: Tomates Nov 15 2008, 11:02 PM

I know where your coming from and i know its a very insulting word. Your responses dont make sense at all what so ever.
Like this post

Please explain how that makes any sense. It doesnt at all and all of your responses have almost been like that which means you dont know how to fight your own argument or your not really understanding/reading what others are trying to say.

Like i said above before, im aware its insulting but your going to have to face it, people are still going to say the word and abuse it even if its banned and if "it wont be seen as an actual word" People will still know what it means which wont make anything different.





again what the hell? Are you even reading the responses? or understanding them? Your answer makes no sense at all to him

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Nov 15 2008, 11:05 PM

I quit.

Posted by: Tomates Nov 15 2008, 11:06 PM

Thank god

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Nov 15 2008, 11:06 PM

Agree to disagree?

Posted by: Tomates Nov 15 2008, 11:08 PM

Agree to disagree with what? Your lack of knowledge for supporting your own opinion?

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Nov 15 2008, 11:11 PM

1. Spell check
2. How do I lack knowledge to support my opinion?
3. Its obvious Im not agreeing with anybody here and no one agrees with me, so I am saying agree to disagree to respect differing opinions.

Posted by: Tomates Nov 15 2008, 11:13 PM

1. Its spelled fine Ktnx
2. For all your answers/responses it looks like you went to wikipedia to grab a sentance to make yourself look like you knew what you were talking about
3. No one agree's with you because what you have said is ridiculous.

Posted by: Mikeplyts Nov 15 2008, 11:15 PM

lol@the arugument between Natilie and BamBamBoogie.

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Nov 15 2008, 11:16 PM

lol. You're quite stubborn. I really don't care if anyone agrees with me. I still sleep quite well at night. Im not going to continue to argue with you either. I tried to end this debate in a respectful way, but you obviously don't want to do that. So... later.

and btw I said spell check before you did an edit.

Posted by: Tomates Nov 15 2008, 11:16 PM

lol at the fact he/she cant support his/her own topics too well


Im aware im stubborn, but its better to let my opinion go out then for it to not be heard. Im glad you sleep well at night though i have no f*cking idea what that has to do with this. I wouldnt call this an argue because i dont have anything agaisnt you, its more like a heavy discussion because thats what debates tend to be, heavy discussions. The risk you take of making a debate is for seeing others posts that you may not agree with. Respectful or not respectul, this post had it coming. Sooner or later someone would roll by sitting in my position now.

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Nov 15 2008, 11:17 PM

um... Im a guy.

Posted by: Tomates Nov 15 2008, 11:21 PM

my bad, thats why i changed it right after to he/she because i had a feeling you might be a guy but wasnt positive.

Posted by: Hedonism Nov 15 2008, 11:25 PM

It's a f*cking generalization, can you infer?

Posted by: manic Nov 15 2008, 11:28 PM

How easy is it to make a word go? It is a word and it has a definition, what can you do about it when referring to resources or reading a book without seeming silly?

I don't see how banning the word would have a positive impact. Its true that any body can make a memorial, or work to get a bill passed, and etc. if they are passionate enough. If someone wants to waste time and energy trying to ban the word and finding people to support them . . . that is on them. It shouldn't be too hard, right? I mean look at the feedback in this thread!

Posted by: heartquasm Nov 16 2008, 11:12 AM

yeah, bitch!

Posted by: karmakiller Nov 16 2008, 02:35 PM

lol, I don't think anyone took this thread seriously, yet the replies were enough to make him want to quit debating the topic.

Posted by: misoshiru Nov 18 2008, 06:01 PM

me too. but i just waste my time reading the last five.

Posted by: ScArFaCeLaDii Dec 31 2008, 01:46 AM

You do know black people can be racist too, right?
So if the N word is banned, then so should Cracker and all of the other white racist terms.
And plus, cops aren't gonna come rolling up the second you say it for christ sake. You can't freaking ban a word. People can say whatever they want.
Oh and there are TONS of other racist words for black people, so uh, why are you just focusing on the N word? jeeeze. Stupid question.

Posted by: 9001 Dec 31 2008, 02:09 AM

HEY OP! NIGGER!

Not only should n****er not be banned, but it should not be censored, and it should not regarded as profanity.

Banning n****er isn't going to end racism at all. People will just start saying rope-fillers.

Posted by: dosomethin888 Dec 31 2008, 06:19 AM

My mom told me today that "sin" was taken out of the dictionary. I dont know if thats true but if it is, I have no idea why they would do that.

Since the dictionary is just a holder of all words, why should any words be taken out of it? No matter how mean or offensive that word is, it is still a word. And, people interpret and think of words differently, so why should it be up to these dictionary-people to take out words people will say anyway?

Posted by: MolecularStudios Dec 31 2008, 11:21 AM

Why ban something that can just be looked at differently, some people think the N word is racist, some don't.

^its stick btw^

feminests will want "slut" banned

Posted by: superstitious Dec 31 2008, 11:47 AM

Words shouldn't be banned. People who take words too seriously should be banned.

Posted by: IamLegend Dec 31 2008, 10:58 PM

No they aren't, what are you talking about?

Posted by: dosomethin888 Jan 1 2009, 02:06 AM

Well said, well said.

Posted by: Willzors Jan 1 2009, 06:34 PM

This topic reminds me of

Posted by: kryogenix Jan 2 2009, 12:28 PM

Hell no it shouldn't censorship is bullshit. That's not to say everyone and their dad should be freely using every word they think of, but with discretion censorship is bullshit.

Posted by: MolecularStudios Jan 2 2009, 12:51 PM

To any person you ask the N word either is racist or a term of collective brotherhood.

Posted by: ninjaBeenly Jan 2 2009, 02:30 PM

i think it shouldn't be banned, but don't you think its rude to say that type of word in public?

ppl just say the "N" word at a friendly child place? srsly

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Jan 2 2009, 04:58 PM

Wow, after all this time, even after I 'quit' debating this topic, people still havn't read the previous posts and are saying the same dumb shit like 'its just a word' lol. This is quite amusing.

1. If Snoop is unable to find other words in his vocabulary to use other than the n-word than maybe he shouldn't be worried about rapping. It would be in his best interest to go hit the books and learn a few more appropriate words.

2. Although Katt Williams is one funny dude, he is unfortunately in a 'mental institution.' Not sure if that's what it's called, but you get my point. Anyway, he won't be saying that on standup anytime soon.



Blacks are capable of being racist, as well as other races. If you look at the definition of racist, you will see this.



And to close, it seems as though a lot of you think that I am trying to display Blacks as being innocent, non-racist, victimized people. I am NOT doing this at all. I wish there was a way to rid our world of all of the offensive slurs that are used everyday, but as many of you have said, this is not possible. Of course there is no way of 'banning' a word, and I have already addressed that before. My whole point for making this thread was to raise awareness of how each of us have certain characteristics that may prevent the country and/or world from progressing foward such as racism, prejudices, biases, etc. We all are different, but we are also the same in many ways. Rather than looking at someone with unique qualities as being weird, look at those differences as blessings that could be used to help someone else who may not have that quality. I hope you all understand my point now.

Posted by: ninjaBeenly Jan 2 2009, 05:54 PM

You should always respect on how people say their debate. No matter how "dull, dumb, funny, and lame" it is.


Oh really? I'm going to start looking at lots of online dictionaries to see if your statement is true.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racist
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racist
http://www.google.com/dictionary?aq=f&langpair=en|en&q=racist&hl=en
http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/racism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racist

Obviously, it is your choice to be "racist" or not. Just know, your words can hurt other people. Like if a white guy calls a black guy "N*GG**"? Then, there would be violence. Or if the person who was offended was smart, they would ignore it or walk off. Similar to how we have a choice or not to click on this link and read this topic.

Posted by: cakedout Jan 2 2009, 06:00 PM

cause you know, the first amendment is one shitty ass reason

Posted by: Tung Jan 2 2009, 06:07 PM

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Jan 2 2009, 06:11 PM

umm... I've already addressed that.



Exactly, which proves my point that all races can be racist.

Posted by: paperplane Jan 2 2009, 10:07 PM

Posted by: IamLegend Jan 2 2009, 10:15 PM

I'm aware of this, I was being sarcastic in my post. I honestly think every single person is racist to some exent, otherwise we wouldn't segregate ourselves by race. We would instead see each other as one individual human race.

Posted by: Hedonism Jan 2 2009, 10:23 PM

Why did you provide links?

Btw I really like your sig.

Posted by: karmakiller Jan 2 2009, 10:38 PM

Why is this topic still going?

Posted by: WarMachine Jan 3 2009, 12:43 AM

This topic is a bowl of epic failure.

Posted by: alison-apples Jan 25 2009, 03:56 AM

It's just a word.

Posted by: 9001 Jan 25 2009, 03:57 AM

It's just a bump.

Posted by: illmortal Feb 12 2009, 02:51 AM

The "N" word is simply repulsive. And I'm sick and tired of black people using it and especially claiming they're the only ones who are allowed to use that word. It's not just a word... there's a nasty history behind it, there's actual emotions behind it, AND physical & mental torment.

Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. fought for equality and human rights... and this is how their people repay them? Disgusting.

Posted by: WarMachine Feb 12 2009, 03:25 AM

Words are repulsive when you empower them.

Posted by: illmortal Feb 12 2009, 04:02 AM

You don't have to empower it. It is already empowered. Go to a 80 year old black woman or man and call her the "N" word even if you wanna "slang" it so it doesn't sound as bad. And I bet either she'll/he'll cry or she'll/he'll be pissed to hell. Why do people need to use such a word? The KKK said that word as they hung black men and women and children, the KKK used that word when they used to chase after blacks and hunt them down like animals, the KKK used that word instead of their names, the KKK used that word to refer to them as a specific people, the KKK used that word as they burned black churches and tormented black people.

By using the "N" word all you're doing is giving power to the White Supremacy, they are achieving their goal when blacks use that term towards another black.

Posted by: WarMachine Feb 12 2009, 06:12 AM

As a Black man, simply saying the word doesn't offend me. I think it's more offensive to be told by a white person, "you speak so well!"

If you ban n****er, you'd have to ban s**c, kike, ginny, wop, mick, etc, etc, etc.

Posted by: illmortal Feb 12 2009, 01:04 PM

Because you've been won over.

Posted by: Tsukuyomi-No-Mokoto Feb 12 2009, 01:22 PM

Damn this is one hell of a topic.
question...
so why do they make a big deal about what black people say.
if white people or other different races of people can use certain words to call each other like honkey cracker s**c and what not but find it offensive if someone else uses it
then why make a big deal over the word n*gga?
and there's a difference
n*gga and n****er
you should break that down to.

Posted by: karmakiller Feb 12 2009, 02:21 PM

No offense, but I think the whole "n*gga" and "n****er" thing is stupid. It doesn't bother me if people chose to use a racial slur. What bothers me is how they are using the word. People will still use a word regardless of if you've banned it.

Posted by: illmortal Feb 12 2009, 03:03 PM

I've never met a person other than a black person who referred to their own race as a racial slur.

Just sayin.

Posted by: WarMachine Feb 14 2009, 03:41 AM

Won over? How, exactly? Feel free to fill me in on what you know about my life and what is/isn't important to me.

Posted by: Tsukuyomi-No-Mokoto Feb 14 2009, 04:09 AM

you view it as a racial slur the people if you ask them
don't refer to it as a racial slur.
they make a visual difference in the word n*gga and n****er
and they define the word that they use.
not as a racial slur but as a "term of endearment"

Posted by: illmortal Feb 14 2009, 11:18 AM

The fact that KKK members and white supremacists til this day use that word gives me every right to dislike the word. Just because you make it "ga" and not "ger" doesn't mean crap. The only difference between the two is "dialect". Nothing more.

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Feb 16 2009, 10:55 PM

Amen. Finally someone sees my way of thinking.

Posted by: kryogenix Feb 16 2009, 10:58 PM

n*gga please i otta pop a cap in yo bitch ass

Posted by: Tramatize Feb 17 2009, 12:18 AM

Posted by: BOSS Feb 17 2009, 01:12 AM

yeah it does mean crap. The usage of the word are looked at differently from all people. If you saw two people black calling eachother n*gga, would you step into their conversation and tell they how offensive you find it? f*ck no, they obviously know that neither of them are trying to offend eachother. you just seem to choose to view n*gga and n****er as the same.

Posted by: illmortal Feb 17 2009, 11:11 AM

No. Instead, I'd laugh at their pathetic ignorance, and then feel sorry that their parents didn't teach them better.

BOSS I advise you to do a thorough study on the History of African men and women. Otherwise you'll be another person thinking there's nothing wrong with the word. God America IS shit.

Posted by: kryogenix Feb 17 2009, 11:44 AM

Then why are you here?

Posted by: illmortal Feb 17 2009, 11:45 AM

Make money. Almost reached my goal then moving the eff out as this country as it rots further.

Posted by: kryogenix Feb 17 2009, 11:46 AM

Why not make money elsewhere? Surely there are opportunities in say, Europe, Asia, or maybe your ugly wife's anus?

Posted by: illmortal Feb 17 2009, 11:47 AM

Speakin of anus... I have evidence of you fingering your anus. Homo.

Posted by: kryogenix Feb 17 2009, 11:49 AM

Care to share it? I would like to be enlightened so I can cure myself of this alleged "ailment."

Posted by: doughnut Feb 17 2009, 11:54 AM

that's more like personal attacks..

Posted by: illmortal Feb 17 2009, 11:55 AM

I'd get banned if they saw what you did on camera. You got sauced up, son.




What are your rules about trolling?

Posted by: kryogenix Feb 17 2009, 11:56 AM

you care about this website? how cute

Posted by: AngryBaby Feb 17 2009, 04:26 PM

who cares, life's too short to care about this bullshit. go sky diving or something.

Posted by: BOSS Feb 17 2009, 05:05 PM

illmortal id advise you grow up and realize there is never a story thats one sided, so before your ignorant ass claims to know everything, please be wary one day you will get slapped by reality and i do pray one day you realize right and wrong don't exists, only difference

Posted by: PrIncEoFSeXaPpeAL Feb 20 2009, 08:20 PM

the N word dont needa be ban.. just FINE ppl. but that mean you gotta bring your recorder and catch ppl in the act. HAHAHAHAHAH

this got me ROLF... LMAO

@Boss&Illmortal.. HAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: 9001 Feb 20 2009, 08:21 PM

PM it to me.

Posted by: PrIncEoFSeXaPpeAL Feb 20 2009, 08:22 PM

LMAO

i dont know wtf he talking bout but sure.. HAHAHA

Posted by: writetheeulogy Feb 20 2009, 08:26 PM

Can we get this back on topic please?

I do think the N word is the worst word in the English vocabulary. I think it's really ignorant when people use it as a nickname for their friends or to address each other. If they only knew/cared/care to know where that word originated, maybe they would be reluctant to use it more than any other word in their vocabulary.

In all honesty, I think people make themselves look ignorant, unintelligent, and condescending when they use the word.

Posted by: 9001 Feb 20 2009, 08:28 PM

STFU nigger.

Posted by: 9001 Feb 20 2009, 08:34 PM

Seems to be anal fingering.

Posted by: writetheeulogy Feb 20 2009, 08:36 PM

That was incredibly rude and offensive. I just reported you.

Posted by: illmortal Feb 20 2009, 09:12 PM

There's no point in reporting official members.

Posted by: writetheeulogy Feb 20 2009, 09:13 PM

So I've gathered. Nor is there a point to arguing with ignoramuses who can't see the light of day.

Posted by: 9001 Feb 20 2009, 09:15 PM

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=218792

Visit the f*cking thread.

Posted by: illmortal Feb 20 2009, 09:17 PM

Tell me about it, majority of them are the decaying youth.

Posted by: 9001 Feb 20 2009, 09:18 PM

Strangely, I never got warned until I was OM.

Also: Decaying youth. What.

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Feb 20 2009, 09:21 PM

fixed for you

Posted by: illmortal Feb 20 2009, 09:22 PM

Nope.

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Feb 20 2009, 09:45 PM

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=218792&hl=

still wondering what word is much more offensive to call a black person than n****er

Posted by: The-Abominable-Cpillar Feb 20 2009, 09:47 PM

mooncricket, jiggaboo, and charcoal baby to name a few. Not being racist, just answering a question.

Also Jemima baby

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Feb 20 2009, 09:48 PM

sorry son, none of those are doing it i don't think. jiggaboo has too nice of a ring to it.

Posted by: The-Abominable-Cpillar Feb 20 2009, 09:49 PM

haha. I'll keep thinking and come up with something.

idk, I always thought calling a black man Boy was a little offensive. Also referring to them as "the coloreds"

Posted by: hi-C Feb 20 2009, 09:51 PM

I think Sambo and coon are pretty offensive.

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Feb 20 2009, 09:54 PM

the real question is which would you rather not see on your journey's receipt apparently

that shit blew my mind today

Posted by: illmortal Feb 20 2009, 09:56 PM

no. The N word is not just a f*ckin word with a definition.

Posted by: The-Abominable-Cpillar Feb 20 2009, 09:58 PM

umm...not sure what you mean by that but thats fine.

Who said Coon? That ones pretty good, yeah I think that works. Brooklyn? What about Coon?

Posted by: hi-C Feb 20 2009, 09:59 PM

^ I said "coon."

I know! Damn, I should make a topic on it in News or something.

Anyways, to make this post relevant, I agree with those who've said that you can't ban "n****er" because you can't technically control the things people say.

Posted by: illmortal Feb 20 2009, 10:02 PM

Let me beat you every single day with rocks, sticks, fists, and a whip 5-10 times a day for the rest of your life. And I'll only call you by one word and one word only each and every single time I beat you. One day when you're old and useless to me, I'll wrap a rope around your throat, hang you as I call you by that term, and laugh at your death. Then feed you to my dogs or just throw you away. And that a lone is NOTHING compared to the origins of the "N" word.

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Feb 20 2009, 10:03 PM

@ carrie yeah you should. i was amazed.

hmmm, i mean it doesn't personally for me. i guess it varies from person to person though. i wouldn't like being called coon either, but in my mind n****er is still worse.

Posted by: hi-C Feb 20 2009, 10:13 PM

Eh, the only reason why n****er is more offensive is because it's used more. Coon is just as offensive.

Posted by: The-Abominable-Cpillar Feb 20 2009, 10:20 PM

But nothing happens to my penis right? Then okay, could be worse.

Posted by: Uronacid Feb 21 2009, 12:08 AM

Are you trying to make us "feel" for the other side in this debate? What's with all the feelings these days. You know, it's feelings that have plaid a major role in what has gotten us into this "economic crisis" in the first place. When congress forced our lenders to make bad loans to poor families that couldn't pay mortgages, because everyone "deserved" a piece of "American Dream" pie. It will be feelings that reward and bail out these poor irresponsible people who took these loans. It will be feelings that have elected a failure for a president if this stimulus bull-shit doesn't work.

You need a dose of cold hard truth. Fuck your feelings. This is America; not f*cking France. The government doesn't mandate an official language in our country. We aren't pussies yet, but with all these ideas floating around regarding our right to free speach it really makes me wonder (Look up the "Fairness Doctrine/Equal-time Rule"). Feel good fuck-faces like yourself are going to ruin this country. Some of the worst things have been done with the best intentions.

I'll paraphrase what the poster above me said,"It's not that bad if I still have my balls, pussy."

Posted by: illmortal Feb 21 2009, 02:54 AM

f*ck my feelings? f*ck your existence. I hope one day you let a racist remark or term slip out of that mouth and you catch a bad ass beating half to death. That'll teach you a lesson for being an ignorant f*ck.

Posted by: Tung Feb 21 2009, 03:06 AM

Can everyone debate in a more respectable manner without having to bash each other?

Posted by: BOSS Feb 21 2009, 03:26 AM

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Feb 21 2009, 10:10 PM

This topic has gotten quite of topic... [if that makes sense lol]

Here's another question for you all to think about:

If you are walking one day and decide to stop in a restaurant and have a bite to eat and that place blatantly says no and calls you a n****er or a cracker or any other offensive racial slur, how would you react? It seems as though everyone is still stuck on "it's just a word." If this is so, than Im sure your answers to this new question will be quite interesting

Posted by: 9001 Feb 21 2009, 10:16 PM

I'd laugh. There shouldn't be anything to get butthurt over.

Posted by: Tung Feb 21 2009, 10:17 PM

To be honest, I would beat the shit out of them. But does that mean that the word should get banned? No. Because you can't control what millions of people say.

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Feb 21 2009, 10:26 PM

Im sorry but I find that so hard to believe. You're basically saying that if a stranger called you out of your name, you'd be perfectly fine with it. I just cant understand your way of thinking



I understand what you're saying about it cant be banned and I must admit that the wording of this topic was somewhat illogical, if that is a word lol. But would you say that its okay for people to use racial slurs?

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Feb 21 2009, 10:28 PM

9001 is white. that's basically all you need to know to understand his thinking.

Posted by: smash Feb 21 2009, 10:29 PM

i don't think it would be a good idea to even try and ban the word. it would just give stupid people a reason to use it even more just to rebel. i agree with Carrie. there's no way to stop everyone from using that word or any other word. i've heard of some cities fining people for using racial slurs but, i don't see how that has changed anything. i don't like racial slurs. even when they aren't directed at me or other people of my race i still get offended.

Posted by: 9001 Feb 21 2009, 10:33 PM

It doesn't physically hurt anyone. It's mean, but it's name calling. It's not like I'm in first grade.


Don't be so mean/truthful.

Edit:

Banning it would give it more power. Part of why I don't find racial slurs offensive is that they're used all over the place, and therefore hold no power.
I believe if it was banned, more people would get butthurt if it was said.

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Feb 21 2009, 10:39 PM

Wow

To be honest, I think that is bullshit. [no offense] No self-respecting individual can go around with someone calling them by racial slurs and not be offended. However, if you really are serious, I feel bad for the way you must get treated.

Posted by: 9001 Feb 21 2009, 10:41 PM

Ok, just assume I called you a n****er, spick, chink, whatever.

Any lacerations? Cuts, bruises, bumps? Broken bones? Dislocations? Death?

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Feb 21 2009, 10:45 PM

Hmm... most likely yea. Just not on me. Think about it

Posted by: 9001 Feb 21 2009, 10:48 PM

WHAT THE f*ck ARE YOU ACCUSING ME OF? I'M NOT THE f*ckING KKK.

Set you up.

Posted by: smash Feb 21 2009, 10:49 PM

lol. no but really, those are fighting words. it may not hurt someone physically but it's disrepectful. it could hurt someone emotionally and possibly mentally.

Posted by: illmortal Feb 21 2009, 10:50 PM

Oh yes. You call me a s**c to my face and you'll end up with all sorts of skin splits/cuts, bruises, bumps all over your face and skull + broken limbs. I wouldn't kill you... instead I'd like to see you suffer for the next few weeks as you heal up. Maybe just maybe I won't come back and do it all over again.

Posted by: 9001 Feb 21 2009, 10:50 PM

Fixed.

Posted by: 9001 Feb 21 2009, 10:52 PM

http://images.google.com/images?q=lynching

Like all of that?

Just a little bit of hypocrisy.

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Feb 21 2009, 10:52 PM

Amen

Posted by: 9001 Feb 21 2009, 10:54 PM

That's what it is. You're agreeing with Tama. Nobody here does that.

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Feb 21 2009, 10:56 PM

read it again you guys, gosh


it's no coincidence that tung, myself, illmortal, ashley, BamBamBoogie all say we'd be pissed if someone called us a racial slur. none of us are white, so you know, we would actually know what it's like to be called something like this or disrespected in this way.

Posted by: illmortal Feb 21 2009, 10:56 PM

Like I said, I wouldn't kill you, definitely wouldn't lynch you. I'd beat you down for the sake of knowledge... sometimes pain is the best form of knowledge for those who deserve it. Philosophical shit, son.



ooooooh now I see. Ok now I know better. Thanks for clarifying, bro!

Posted by: 9001 Feb 21 2009, 10:57 PM

Not philosophical, barbaric.

Posted by: 9001 Feb 21 2009, 10:58 PM

So you don't think people are racist against whites?

Posted by: illmortal Feb 21 2009, 10:59 PM

Pfffft you'll never understand. You can read your whole history and it'll never amount to the pain and suffering of those who are non-white.

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Feb 21 2009, 11:00 PM

stop double posting. someone come warn him for it already because he keeps doing it and it's f*cking annoying.

and no, i never said no one was racist to whites. but, white people are usually the ones who go around claiming they wouldn't care if someone called them a racial slur. no shit, it's becuase no one really does in any serious form.

Posted by: Tung Feb 21 2009, 11:01 PM

White Male Privilege. Look it up. Most white people don't even realize they have this social privilege.

Posted by: 9001 Feb 21 2009, 11:03 PM

Posted by: illmortal Feb 21 2009, 11:07 PM

And? You think that's more brutality than the others? Get real.

Posted by: 9001 Feb 21 2009, 11:09 PM

It's more brutality than anyone here has experienced.

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Feb 21 2009, 11:09 PM

okay everyone calm down. Im not trying to start a race war...

Posted by: Tung Feb 21 2009, 11:09 PM

The enslavement of African Americans > Holocaust.

Also check out the Khmer Rougue, bombings in japan, agent orange in Vietnam, and even currently what the US is doing in IRAQ. there's tons more of history people aren't taught, or US history doesn't cover.

Posted by: illmortal Feb 21 2009, 11:10 PM

I'm talking about the history of races/ethnicities other than white. Stay on topic or accept defeat.

Posted by: 9001 Feb 21 2009, 11:21 PM

According to Wikipedia:

Over 6 years.

According to http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstatv.htm:

Over 400 years.



Holocaust: 2739 deaths per day.
African Slavery: 308 deaths per day (assuming midpoint between 30 and 60 million is correct.)

Posted by: smash Feb 21 2009, 11:22 PM

a lot of white people are racist by default. i think it's the ones who choose to be aware of the fact that they have such privilege because of their race that tend to be less prejudice, if prejudice at all towards other races.

Posted by: Tung Feb 21 2009, 11:25 PM

lol that wikipedia shit didn't talk about the 1.5+ million people that died in the Khmer Rouge.

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Feb 21 2009, 11:27 PM

Wikipedia??? Are you serious??? I can go on there right now and change those numbers myself

Posted by: 9001 Feb 21 2009, 11:28 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge

Third paragraph.

Posted by: Tung Feb 21 2009, 11:31 PM

So what. Wikipedia is pretty useful for these kinda stuff. And those numbers seem to be right.

Posted by: 9001 Feb 21 2009, 11:33 PM

Ok then.
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005143 First paragraph
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/holo.html First paragraph

Yeah, two reliable sources.

Posted by: Insurmountable Feb 21 2009, 11:34 PM

I'm sorry but why should this word be banned? Around here black people call each other n****er like they are saying brother to them.

Its just a word, people need to suck it up if they find it offensive.

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Feb 21 2009, 11:36 PM

i think the topic starter is the only one in all 10 pages to think it should be banned lol

Posted by: Insurmountable Feb 21 2009, 11:38 PM

Oh okay, haha. I don't ever read the full topic, who wants to read 10 pages of people arguing with each other >_>

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Feb 21 2009, 11:39 PM

I really wish people would read the posts. I clearly said that I understand the word cant be banned and the wording of this topic is off. Now, please continue debating. This is gettin' pretty interesting.

Posted by: 9001 Feb 21 2009, 11:44 PM

Facepalm'd extremely hard.

Posted by: Uronacid Feb 21 2009, 11:44 PM

Why don't you just have an admin change the topic title for you.

Posted by: Tung Feb 21 2009, 11:45 PM

there's nothing to debate if the topic title is going to be changed

Posted by: karmakiller Feb 21 2009, 11:52 PM

Yeah, he's an annoying debater. Hopefully he doesn't double post anymore... EDIT BUTTON!

I agree with you. I mean, I'm white and I get offended when someone calls me a Nazi. I couldn't see how being call the n word would not offend someone.

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Feb 24 2009, 01:16 AM

FINALLY someone is seeing the light [No pun intended]

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Feb 24 2009, 07:24 AM

.................

Posted by: The-Abominable-Cpillar Feb 24 2009, 03:03 PM

I think the word "EGREGIOUS should be taken out of the english language as well. It annoys me, Laymens rarely ever even use it in a sentence and if I hear it, I dont understand it and I take it as disrespect. In fact, I think every word that offends someone in even the smallest way should be banned because do we really need people to feel slightly uncomfortable in this modern world. I think if we as a people take the initiative to ban every disrespectful term we can revert to our original grunts and noises where so no one can be offended. Fucking moron. Turn into a caveman you bastard and leave intelligent people alone.

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Feb 24 2009, 09:13 PM

umm...

How is the N word and intelligence at all related?

Posted by: The-Abominable-Cpillar Feb 25 2009, 12:49 PM

Im not saying the "n-word" and intelligence are related, Im saying that the idea of banning a word that offends people is retarded and it leads down a road of stupidity. Political correctness is the dumbest idea in the history of civilization, fuck correctness, I'll offend if I fucking want to. BTW, I fucking HATE the "n-word." Not "nigger," I dont give a shit about that. I mean the "n-word." Its just white people getting away with saying nigger and all you're doing is avoiding actually saying the word but then putting the word in the listeners head. You say "n-word" and I hear "Nigger" but I dont want to fucking say it, you fucking say it and take some responsibilty you doofus.

Posted by: Uronacid Mar 2 2009, 11:57 PM

Damn right, this country is getting worse and worse because people are going "ban crazy" every time someone gets offended. Look at how watered down our entertainment is now-a-days. It's crap. In real life people use racial slurs, crack minority jokes, and cuss up the storm all the time. You have all these corny movies and tv shows that aim to be politically correct just to avoid offending everyone or gaining a bad rep in the media... I miss Clint Eastwood back in the day.... *sigh*

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Mar 3 2009, 12:06 AM

So you're saying that it is okay if majority of a race is offended by a term used in an entertainment piece as long as it is entertaining to you and/or a select few who agrees with you? I say hell no, but then again, thats just imo.

And also, entertainment is filled with very offensive material that is filled with the bullshit that everyone loves. Perfect examples: Family Guy, South Park, etc.

Posted by: 9001 Mar 3 2009, 06:12 PM

Neither Family Guy nor South Park are offensive to anyone sane.

The characters of Family guy talk about sex every once in a while, but other than that, it's just jokes about Garry Coleman.

The characters of South Park cuss a good bit, but it's all about current events. Back in the days when South Park was a decent show, it still wasn't very offensive. I remember the best episode they ever had involved Cartman farting a satellite dish.

Oh yeah, nigger.

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Mar 3 2009, 06:17 PM

what is the point of adding that

Posted by: hypnotique Mar 3 2009, 07:21 PM

HOLY SHIT HI JOSH.

Posted by: 9001 Mar 3 2009, 07:25 PM

What's the point of addressing it?

I'm surprised that you don't have me blocked.

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Mar 3 2009, 07:27 PM

i don't block people.

Posted by: Uronacid Mar 4 2009, 08:24 PM

That's not at all what I'm saying. I'm simply saying I like my entertainment to be just as realist as life around me. Not some half-hearted watered down bull shit. What would have happened if Ozzy Osbourne said "Nigger" on MTVs reality TV show. They would have cut it out of the program. What if contestants cracked queer jokes on Charlie Herschel in survivor. They'd cut it off the air or crucify whoever said it.

Entertainment is not filled with "offensive" material. The only place you can get decent undiluted TV these days is from private television stations (HBO, Showtime, Cinemax, etc...) and BET. Yes, that's right BET. The station where they can say nigger all day long. While they don't characterize all African Americans on BET they certainly characterize the majority of African American citizens living around me. While I hate the programs, at least African Americans have more "freedom" than every other race out there.

People are just easily offended. For a program targeting general audience. It takes a show that maintains the soul purpose of being politically incorrect to say words like "nigger", "queer", or other words deemed offensive by the "media".



Wasn't that the first episode...



Hi, Jeremy asked me to post in here so don't get used to my ugly mug. Haha, if you want to talk though. I'll respond to PM's.

Posted by: Kontroll Apr 1 2009, 02:44 AM

omg. You're stupid. You can't ban a word from a language. You might be able to keep it out of the dictionary, but as it's socially unacceptable and also slang, it probably wouldn't be in there anyway.

Let's see you try and get every one to stop saying n****er. Bet you can't.

Posted by: RoyalSwagger Jun 11 2009, 02:44 PM

No they shouldn't and it would be dumb if they did they cant only ban one races word... they would have to ban cracker... and noodles... etc...

Posted by: BamBamBoogie Jun 17 2009, 06:54 PM

Wow, people are still saying the same things over and over. Quite redundant...

Posted by: Tung Jun 17 2009, 08:19 PM

Wow, you're still bumping this thread. Quite redundant..

Posted by: smash Jun 17 2009, 08:22 PM

indeed.

Posted by: Mikeplyts Jun 18 2009, 02:58 AM

Words with venom
words that bind
words used like weapons to cloud my mind.
Im a person, i'm a man
But no matter how hard i try
People just say hey, there goes that n****er guy!

Everywhere i go it's always the same
I can't get away from that terrible name
Hey n****er guy, n****er guy, n****er guy.
STOP!

Now go, call me n****er guy
fill me with your hate
try to bring me down
Oo ah, you're to late.
Someone just beat you to it.

But my dream will not die.
To be thought of as more, than just,
n****er guy.

Respect.

Posted by: Uronacid Jun 18 2009, 10:32 AM

This thread is retarded.

Posted by: KaraYankit Aug 19 2009, 07:24 PM

words shouldn't be banned.
then people will want to ban more and more words and soon we'll go to jail for saying "shit"

Posted by: Buttsex Aug 19 2009, 07:32 PM

Why would we ban nigger, when we can ban niggers?

Posted by: Uronacid Aug 21 2009, 09:27 AM

You just said nigger so many times and ended it with respect. Mike, you have some very intelligent humor.

I don't think I've seen nigger said so many times in a thread...

Posted by: -DressYourEyelids- Aug 22 2009, 07:49 AM