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PurpleDaze112
post Apr 30 2009, 02:38 PM
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i just wanted to know why you all think it started.

being that I was only eleven or twelve when the thing began, I don't really know about alot of the politics at the time, but I think that one of the reasons the american people got into it so quickly was simple bloodlust. basically, they bombed our towers, so we want to retaliate. looking back on it, i think it's totally ridiculous that we went into a war that would lead to thousands of deaths, the destruction of multiple arab cities, not to mention tons more debt. besides that, we didn't even know the right person to attack when this thing began. 9/11 was horrible, but the decision to rush into battle was just brash and ill-planned.
 
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post Apr 30 2009, 02:39 PM
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post Apr 30 2009, 02:47 PM
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QUOTE(PurpleDaze112 @ Apr 30 2009, 03:38 PM) *
i just wanted to know why you all think it started.

being that I was only eleven or twelve when the thing began, I don't really know about alot of the politics at the time, but I think that one of the reasons the american people got into it so quickly was simple bloodlust. basically, they bombed our towers, so we want to retaliate. looking back on it, i think it's totally ridiculous that we went into a war that would lead to thousands of deaths, the destruction of multiple arab cities, not to mention tons more debt. besides that, we didn't even know the right person to attack when this thing began. 9/11 was horrible, but the decision to rush into battle was just brash and ill-planned.

You have no idea what you're talking about. While your rounds may graze the target, you haven't hit anything.

FACTS.
 
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post Apr 30 2009, 03:01 PM
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Easy... it wasn't terrorism. It was over politics. Saddam didn't want to bend over any more and hand over his government and land to our imperialistic organization, the U.S. government.


Look at Iraq today, you called that democracy? We didn't go there to bring them democracy, we went there for resources including the spread of power. Democracy is a facade, it's only used when the people are starving and begging for help, but they must give up their sovereignty for this democracy.


This country isn't a democracy, this is a REPUBLIC! Destroy democracy, because it's really mafiocracy that has spread across the world!
 
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post Apr 30 2009, 03:26 PM
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QUOTE(illriginal @ Apr 30 2009, 04:01 PM) *
Easy... it wasn't terrorism. It was over politics. Saddam didn't want to bend over any more and hand over his government and land to our imperialistic organization, the U.S. government.


Close; really close. We couldn't openly do business with a dictatorship such as Saddam's. He bluffed about his weapons to appear as a threat to neighboring Iran. All the US wanted him to do was change (conceal) his ways. He didn't do that. The U.S. got involved, and since Iraq was a former safe haven for extremist students (Baghdad University, holla), they posed as a threat. The fire was fueled when Saddam began to spread propoganda around Iraq about defeating America. It snowballed and became what it did.

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Look at Iraq today, you called that democracy? We didn't go there to bring them democracy, we went there for resources including the spread of power. Democracy is a facade, it's only used when the people are starving and begging for help, but they must give up their sovereignty for this democracy.


Iraqis are in power. Their government is corrupt enough without US intervention.

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post Apr 30 2009, 03:31 PM
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QUOTE(WarMachine @ Apr 30 2009, 04:26 PM) *
Close; really close. We couldn't openly do business with a dictatorship such as Saddam's. He bluffed about his weapons to appear as a threat to neighboring Iran. All the US wanted him to do was change (conceal) his ways. He didn't do that. The U.S. got involved, and since Iraq was a former safe haven for extremist students (Baghdad University, holla), they posed as a threat. The fire was fueled when Saddam began to spread propoganda around Iraq about defeating America. It snowballed and became what it did.



Iraqis are in power. Their government is corrupt enough without US intervention.


SAUCE PLX!


Iraqis aren't in control my good man... have you not watched, listened, nor read about what's going on in Iraq? TERRORISM STILL EXISTS. f*ck democracy.


You need a source to prove that this country is a republic and not a democracy? You serious or you just tryin to make me do more unessential work?
 
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post Apr 30 2009, 08:07 PM
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QUOTE(illriginal @ Apr 30 2009, 03:31 PM) *
Iraqis aren't in control my good man... have you not watched, listened, nor read about what's going on in Iraq? TERRORISM STILL EXISTS. f*ck democracy.
You need a source to prove that this country is a republic and not a democracy? You serious or you just tryin to make me do more unessential work?
He's been in Iraq. So he's experienced it first hand. f*ck what you've read or heard. Just sayin'.
 
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post Apr 30 2009, 09:25 PM
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^ It really irritates me when people say stuff like that. "Since you were not in Iraq and saw the stuff first hand, that makes what you say 10% less reliable than what the he says."
Its like, ya, he was in Iraq and he saw the stuff that went on, but just because you didnt actually fight in the war does not mean you dont know what is going on.

Just sayin'.



And I dont really want to add to this debate. I dont know why it started. Im pretty sure the twin towers incident made us go into Afganistan and going into Iraq was something different altogether. But feel free to tell me I am wrong, because I probably am and I dont have FACTS. So ya.
 
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post Apr 30 2009, 09:52 PM
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QUOTE(karmakiller @ Apr 30 2009, 09:07 PM) *
He's been in Iraq. So he's experienced it first hand. f*ck what you've read or heard. Just sayin'.


Right... I'm talking about the terrorist attacks that just happened within... what? The last two-three weeks?...

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post Apr 30 2009, 09:53 PM
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post Apr 30 2009, 10:44 PM
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post Apr 30 2009, 10:47 PM
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QUOTE(dosomethin888 @ Apr 30 2009, 09:25 PM) *
^ It really irritates me when people say stuff like that. "Since you were not in Iraq and saw the stuff first hand, that makes what you say 10% less reliable than what the he says."
Its like, ya, he was in Iraq and he saw the stuff that went on, but just because you didnt actually fight in the war does not mean you dont know what is going on.

I said that because a lot of stuff happens in Iraq that can't/won't be reported by the media. I didn't intend for that to imply that the rest of the world was clueless. The information isn't less reliable, it's less complete.
 
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post May 1 2009, 06:42 AM
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QUOTE(dosomethin888 @ Apr 30 2009, 10:25 PM) *
^ It really irritates me when people say stuff like that. "Since you were not in Iraq and saw the stuff first hand, that makes what you say 10% less reliable than what the he says."
Its like, ya, he was in Iraq and he saw the stuff that went on, but just because you didnt actually fight in the war does not mean you dont know what is going on.

Just sayin'.
And I dont really want to add to this debate. I dont know why it started. Im pretty sure the twin towers incident made us go into Afganistan and going into Iraq was something different altogether. But feel free to tell me I am wrong, because I probably am and I dont have FACTS. So ya.


Until you actually work intelligence and you have to interact with Iraqis on a daily basis, getting to know them personally, learning about their government reform and how the majority of them feel about Saddam and the US presence, you don't really have much space to say anything. Hell, I can argue this all I want because of the information that was presented to me first hand.

Fail.

Tama is a Muslim. This much is clear. Tama does his best to remain in tune with what's going on in the Arab world. This, too, is also clear. Despite his random rant about conspiracy theories, he's actually worth debating because his perspective is not an uncommon one.
 
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post May 1 2009, 07:22 AM
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I personally think that the whole iraqi democracy thing the US tried to use as a reason for staying there is a load of bull. America doesn't give a rat's ass about the middle east, save for their oil. I'm by no means muslim, but I can't really complain about jihad either. We deseerve a bit of violence and a fall of our "empire". The US has been screwing people for too long.
 
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QUOTE(PurpleDaze112 @ May 1 2009, 07:22 AM) *
We deseerve a bit of violence and a fall of our "empire".


who does though? who's we? are you and me "we"? cause i sure as hell don't think i deserve violence. the people in the world trade centers didn't. i don't really think the soldiers do. as far as i can see the people in general who have gotten killed by these wars one way or another aren't the ones who "deserve" a bit of violence. they aren't the one's calling the shots for any "empire".
 
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QUOTE(PurpleDaze112 @ May 1 2009, 08:22 AM) *
I personally think that the whole iraqi democracy thing the US tried to use as a reason for staying there is a load of bull. America doesn't give a rat's ass about the middle east, save for their oil. I'm by no means muslim, but I can't really complain about jihad either. We deseerve a bit of violence and a fall of our "empire". The US has been screwing people for too long.

SAUCE PLX!

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post May 1 2009, 12:56 PM
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QUOTE(PurpleDaze112 @ May 1 2009, 08:22 AM) *
I personally think that the whole iraqi democracy thing the US tried to use as a reason for staying there is a load of bull. America doesn't give a rat's ass about the middle east, save for their oil. I'm by no means muslim, but I can't really complain about jihad either. We deseerve a bit of violence and a fall of our "empire". The US has been screwing people for too long.


You need to read what you write before you post it. You're making yourself sound like an idiot.
 
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post May 1 2009, 04:20 PM
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QUOTE(PurpleDaze112 @ May 1 2009, 07:22 AM) *
We deseerve a bit of violence and a fall of our "empire". The US has been screwing people for too long.

I'm not even American and this is a fantastically evil suggestion.

Also, Saddam and the Ba'ath Party's extent of power in Iraq was a product of America propping them up against Iran. It would have been more imperialistic to allow Saddam to stay in power and not rectify the original sin of leaving him be after the Gulf War.
 
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By the way, as for "rushing" into it, Clinton had already passed the Iraq Liberation Act in 1998 stating that it was the policy of the United States to support regime change in Iraq. Bombing had been going on throughout the '90s, as well (see Operation Desert Fox).
 
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