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Jews, Muslims, and Christians?
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post Jul 8 2009, 10:52 PM
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QUOTE(Uronacid @ Jul 8 2009, 05:23 PM) *
In this sentence you imply that you believe in a religion. If you believe in a religion then there is a "right" answer. Your own. If you believe your religion is not superior, is "wrong", and is man made then why do you practice it at all? Just food for thought.


sorry, i didn't exactly word that right. i meant that all religions are imperfect.

i practice a religion even with the knowledge that it is most likely wrong because it it best suits my lifestyle, ethics and conscience.



 
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post Jul 9 2009, 02:46 AM
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QUOTE(-DressYourEyelids- @ Jul 8 2009, 11:52 PM) *
sorry, i didn't exactly word that right. i meant that all religions are imperfect.

i practice a religion even with the knowledge that it is most likely wrong because it it best suits my lifestyle, ethics and conscience.


That's incredibly stupid.

Why follow something that you claim to know is not the absolute truth? You're basically saying you're living a lie. You are an adherent out of convenience, not because you believe.
 
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post Jul 9 2009, 06:23 AM
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That's incredibly stupid.

Why follow something that you claim to know is not the absolute truth? You're basically saying you're living a lie. You are an adherent out of convenience, not because you believe.


because i'm not a pompous ***hole who is naive and closed minded enough to believe that every religion other than my own will give anyone practicing so a one way ticket to damnation.

and religion is all about convenience. faith is not. they're different things entirely.
 
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post Jul 9 2009, 09:18 AM
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QUOTE(-DressYourEyelids- @ Jul 9 2009, 07:23 AM) *
because i'm not a pompous ***hole who is naive and closed minded enough to believe that every religion other than my own will give anyone practicing so a one way ticket to damnation.

and religion is all about convenience. faith is not. they're different things entirely.


I don't believe that you're pompous, naive, or closed minded when you believe that one religion is better than another. I don't mind individuals who practice other religions. As Christians we're to love everyone regardless of their religion. If your religion states that worshiping another God is a "one way ticket to damnation" then so be it. That doesn't mean I'm going to shove Christianity down their throat. I'm going to love them during their time spent on earth.

Religion is not about convenience. It is about faith. In order to truly follow a religion you need to have faith and believe in its teachings. Practicing a religion is utterly pointless if you don't believe in it. Why do anything that you don't believe in?

I have to agree with kyro on this. You can only be so open-minded before you become a boring idiot who just aims to please in order to avoid conflict. Having beliefs does not make you close minded. It makes you an individual. Just don't be a dick about it.
 
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post Jul 9 2009, 10:03 AM
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QUOTE(-DressYourEyelids- @ Jul 9 2009, 07:23 AM) *
because i'm not a pompous ***hole who is naive and closed minded enough to believe that every religion other than my own will give anyone practicing so a one way ticket to damnation.


No, but you're foolish enough to believe that you're open minded when you hold religious beliefs that are mutually exclusive to other religious beliefs. By accepting one belief as absolute truth, you are rejecting any contradictory beliefs.

Or are you saying that you believe that no one is right? Then what's the point of religion at all?

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and religion is all about convenience. faith is not. they're different things entirely.


Tell that to these people. I'm sure being burned on crosses and being fed to lions was their idea of holding beliefs out of convenience.


 
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post Jul 9 2009, 10:22 AM
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QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jul 9 2009, 11:03 AM) *
Tell that to these people. I'm sure being burned on crosses and being fed to lions was their idea of holding beliefs out of convenience.

http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/4987/th...martyrslast.jpg

Historical context. In all fairness, that was from a completely different time, when people thought about religion in a completely different way. As Nietzsche said, "Gott ist tot. Und wir haben ihn getötet."
 
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post Jul 9 2009, 10:54 AM
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QUOTE(mipadi @ Jul 9 2009, 11:22 AM) *
Historical context. In all fairness, that was from a completely different time, when people thought about religion in a completely different way. As Nietzsche said, "Gott ist tot. Und wir haben ihn getötet."



Just because we don't have to worry about being burned at the stake anymore doesn't mean we don't take our religion seriously. I'm 100% sure that there are many individuals who would burn at the stake before renouncing their beliefs in this day and age as well. While religion has become a joke for most people. Nietzsche was clearly being over dramatic when he said that. To this day there are still many people who truly are religious.

I've been ridiculed for my faith plenty of times. I've learned a valuable lesson as a result:

"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him." - Prvb 26:4
 
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post Jul 9 2009, 10:59 AM
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QUOTE(Uronacid @ Jul 9 2009, 11:54 AM) *
Nietzsche was clearly being over dramatic when he said that.

Nietzsche may have spoken aphoristically, but I don't think he was being overly dramatic. He was making a careful observation that in the modern world, even people who are devout don't believe in God (or gods) the same way that people did once upon a time.
 
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post Jul 9 2009, 11:15 AM
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QUOTE(mipadi @ Jul 9 2009, 11:59 AM) *
Nietzsche may have spoken aphoristically, but I don't think he was being overly dramatic. He was making a careful observation that in the modern world, even people who are devout don't believe in God (or gods) the same way that people did once upon a time.


Shouting "God is Dead." and "We have killed him." are hardly a careful statements to make. We simply do not react to religion the same way because we have no fear of persecution. Choosing a religion just doesn't put your life at risk anymore therefore there is a greater percentage of less serious followers in each religion.
 
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post Jul 9 2009, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE(mipadi @ Jul 9 2009, 11:22 AM) *
Historical context. In all fairness, that was from a completely different time, when people thought about religion in a completely different way. As Nietzsche said, "Gott ist tot. Und wir haben ihn getötet."


Still, there are many practices I wouldn't call convenient. Praying to Mecca every afternoon, keeping kosher, hauling your ass early in the morning to wherever your place of worship is, etc. Anything with self denial isn't something I'd consider being done out of convenience. Maybe if you were a fatty and decided to convert to Hinduism to lose weight or something.
 
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post Jul 9 2009, 02:42 PM
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QUOTE(Uronacid @ Jul 9 2009, 12:15 PM) *
Shouting "God is Dead." and "We have killed him." are hardly a careful statements to make.

He didn't shout it, he wrote it -- as part of a much larger treatise.

QUOTE(Uronacid @ Jul 9 2009, 12:15 PM) *
We simply do not react to religion the same way because we have no fear of persecution. Choosing a religion just doesn't put your life at risk anymore therefore there is a greater percentage of less serious followers in each religion.

You seem to have just reiterated Nietzsche's point.
 
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post Jul 9 2009, 03:46 PM
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QUOTE(mipadi @ Jul 9 2009, 03:42 PM) *
He didn't shout it, he wrote it -- as part of a much larger treatise.
You seem to have just reiterated Nietzsche's point.


I haven't reiterated Nietzsche's point. I've been pretty mild in what I've said. Again, he was too extreme regarding the subject. Yes there are people that do not take religion seriously (dressyoureyelids is a clear example of this), however there are still many devote followers of religion.

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Anything with self denial isn't something I'd consider being done out of convenience.


Agreed
 
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post Jul 9 2009, 04:01 PM
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QUOTE(Uronacid @ Jul 9 2009, 04:46 PM) *
I haven't reiterated Nietzsche's point. I've been much more mild in my statement. Again, he was too extreme regarding the subject. Yes there are people that do not take religion seriously (dressyoureyelids is a clear example of this), however there are still many devote followers of religion.

It's not a matter of whether people still take religion seriously or not. The point is that even people who claim to take religion seriously don't take it seriously in the same sense as people hundreds of years ago.

In what way was he too extreme?
 
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post Jul 10 2009, 09:09 AM
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QUOTE(mipadi @ Jul 9 2009, 05:01 PM) *
It's not a matter of whether people still take religion seriously or not. The point is that even people who claim to take religion seriously don't take it seriously in the same sense as people hundreds of years ago.

In what way was he too extreme?


He's generalizing. There will always be black sheep. People who clain to be serious and fail when their tested. On the other hand, there are still people today who take it just as seriously as people hundreds of years ago.
 

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