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UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE., just because everyone else does it...
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NoSex
post Aug 23 2009, 07:14 PM
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so, why the f*ck don't we have universal healthcare?
 
 
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post Sep 1 2009, 04:47 PM
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p.s. the issue is finding a healthcare system that is best for everyone, and best for the country. that's the primary concern. not whether or not we have to raise taxes. personally, i have enough dedication to this country to want to see my taxes raised for a good cause. we are a society, a unit, a civilization that is designed to function together towards progress. it's good that we have a public school system, so that everyone has the opportunity to be educated. it's good that we have roads so that transportation can be made possible. it's good that we have a military so that our country can be defended. IF YOU PUT THE INDIVIDUAL BEFORE THE SOCIETY YOU LOSE ALL OF THIS. so the question is this: is the moral precedent so great that you would not collect taxes in order to give everyone a free public education? would you not collect taxes to build roads? would you not collect taxes to defend your homeland? would you not collect taxes to make your country healthier & happier?
 
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post Sep 2 2009, 08:20 AM
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QUOTE(NoSex @ Sep 1 2009, 05:47 PM) *
p.s. the issue is finding a healthcare system that is best for everyone, and best for the country. that's the primary concern. not whether or not we have to raise taxes. personally, i have enough dedication to this country to want to see my taxes raised for a good cause. we are a society, a unit, a civilization that is designed to function together towards progress. it's good that we have a public school system, so that everyone has the opportunity to be educated. it's good that we have roads so that transportation can be made possible. it's good that we have a military so that our country can be defended. IF YOU PUT THE INDIVIDUAL BEFORE THE SOCIETY YOU LOSE ALL OF THIS. so the question is this: is the moral precedent so great that you would not collect taxes in order to give everyone a free public education? would you not collect taxes to build roads? would you not collect taxes to defend your homeland? would you not collect taxes to make your country healthier & happier?


Our public school system is FUBAR. I think we spend a bit too much considering the children who attend public school in other countries have better grades than we do. We could lower taxes here and still have the same "quality education".
Roads are necessary. Don't mind paying for it.
Military is necessary. Don't mind paying for it.

Anyway, you can also argue that putting health care in the government's hands is bad for society. The addition of a public option will destroy competition in the health system via the public options unfair competitive advantages. Investors will not invest their money in things that don't lead to a profit. If competition is removed then the strive for better health practices and technology through research will be slowed down due to a lack of private investors. After all, it is through health insurance that these industries get paid.

Yes, we pay more for our health care than other countries, but our health practices is also far more advanced than in other countries. People travel from all over the world to receive medical treatment in America for that very reason. In the future, we will have a healthier America if we continue to support a private health care system.
 
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QUOTE(Uronacid @ Sep 2 2009, 09:20 PM) *
In the future, we will have a healthier America if we continue to support a private health care system.

You mean for the people that can afford it, but other than that, you're right, healthcare will go to shits, or we could both be wrong and every private health insurer decides to go all superman and trys to out perform one another.
 

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NoSex   UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE.   Aug 23 2009, 07:14 PM
kryogenix   Because you touch yourself at night. /thread   Aug 23 2009, 07:29 PM
KaraYankit   I don't think everyone should have it... it wo...   Aug 23 2009, 07:56 PM
NoSex   1. we already pay for illegal immigrants, if we di...   Aug 24 2009, 12:21 PM
KaraYankit   QUOTE(NoSex @ Aug 24 2009, 01:21 PM) 1. w...   Aug 25 2009, 12:00 AM
penpen15   QUOTE(KaraYankit @ Aug 25 2009, 01:00 AM)...   Aug 25 2009, 03:58 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(NoSex @ Aug 24 2009, 01:21 PM) 1. w...   Aug 25 2009, 08:26 AM
coconutter   less town hall meetings more healthcare reform plx   Aug 24 2009, 08:34 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(coconutter @ Aug 24 2009, 09:34 PM)...   Aug 25 2009, 02:14 AM
colddesert   ^ Regardless of the debate, there is nothing wrong...   Aug 24 2009, 10:05 PM
NoSex   QUOTE(colddesert @ Aug 24 2009, 10:05 PM)...   Aug 24 2009, 11:57 PM
doughnut   man, i forgot what the heath care system is like h...   Aug 25 2009, 08:36 AM
Uronacid   One of the biggest reasons I worry about Public He...   Aug 27 2009, 12:37 PM
hermes   so what is obama's proposition?, i see this cr...   Aug 27 2009, 07:16 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(hermes @ Aug 27 2009, 08:16 PM) so ...   Aug 28 2009, 08:53 AM
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kryogenix   QUOTE(NoSex @ Aug 28 2009, 04:28 PM) in f...   Aug 29 2009, 03:54 AM
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synkiro   i don't want to pay a 1% surtax ;| -whines-   Aug 29 2009, 10:51 AM
coffeeandacasio   At has nothing to do with immigrants, taxes, etc. ...   Aug 31 2009, 01:04 AM
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mipadi   Well, I think you (Rebecca) bring up a couple of m...   Sep 3 2009, 03:06 PM
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doughnut   QUOTE(colddesert @ Sep 20 2009, 03:38 PM)...   Sep 20 2009, 10:37 AM
colddesert   QUOTE(doughnut @ Sep 20 2009, 09:37 AM) h...   Sep 23 2009, 03:21 PM
buckwild-kingdom   no its called stupid   Sep 23 2009, 06:37 PM
colddesert   ^ Well, that also.   Sep 24 2009, 01:01 AM
NoSex   i love how the opposition here has more or less ig...   Sep 27 2009, 02:00 AM
kryogenix   says the guy who's been ignoring my posts in t...   Oct 1 2009, 06:36 AM
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