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AbbeyMarie
post Nov 16 2011, 08:37 PM
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http://americancensorship.org/

"Today, Congress holds hearings on the first American Internet censorship system.
This bill can pass. If it does the Internet and free speech will never be the same.
Join all of us to stop this bill."

Thoughts.
 
Tomates
post Nov 16 2011, 09:17 PM
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I think it's dumb. Why censor the internet? I feel like it's taking away freedom as speech. Besides people are just going to find a way to get around it. Just like drugs, people know it's illegal but they still do it anyways.
 
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post Nov 16 2011, 11:07 PM
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QUOTE(Tomates @ Nov 16 2011, 08:17 PM) *
I think it's dumb. Why censor the internet? I feel like it's taking away freedom as speech. Besides people are just going to find a way to get around it. Just like drugs, people know it's illegal but they still do it anyways.


lol
 
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post Nov 16 2011, 11:16 PM
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QUOTE(sixfive @ Nov 16 2011, 11:07 PM) *
lol

Has anyone ever told you how ridiculously handsome you are?
 
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post Nov 16 2011, 11:52 PM
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I get it all the time
 
AbbeyMarie
post Nov 17 2011, 12:01 AM
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this is srs bisness guys
 
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post Nov 17 2011, 12:48 AM
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vair srs
 
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post Nov 17 2011, 11:17 AM
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well, if they wont listen to aol, ebay, facebook, google, linkedin, mozilla, twitter, yahoo and zynga, then i dont know who they'll listen to.

 
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post Nov 17 2011, 11:49 AM
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I mean I can't imagine that they will censor the internet.
I mean at least some of those politicians gotta love their porn.
 
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post Nov 18 2011, 07:21 AM
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they're obviously not targeting porn..
 
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post Nov 18 2011, 09:19 AM
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QUOTE(sixfive @ Nov 16 2011, 08:07 PM) *
lol

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post Nov 18 2011, 10:53 AM
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QUOTE(datass @ Nov 18 2011, 07:21 AM) *
they're obviously not targeting porn..

I was making a joke
 
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post Nov 18 2011, 11:16 AM
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QUOTE(Tomates @ Nov 18 2011, 09:53 AM) *
I was making a joke

so have you and your sister fought about posts on a forum again yet
 
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post Nov 18 2011, 05:01 PM
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Yes I know this is late, It's like drugs, one knows its illegal but they will still find a way to get.
 
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post Nov 18 2011, 09:45 PM
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all forms of censorship are bad and anyone who says otherwise is either a prude or a bad parent
 
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post Nov 18 2011, 09:47 PM
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QUOTE(wwwww @ Nov 18 2011, 08:45 PM) *
all forms of censorship are bad and anyone who says otherwise is either a prude or a bad parent

nerp. i understand people want to know what the government is doing but there should be a certain degree of media censorship when it comes to matters of national security.
 
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post Nov 19 2011, 06:49 AM
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QUOTE(sixfive @ Nov 18 2011, 08:47 PM) *
nerp. i understand people want to know what the government is doing but there should be a certain degree of media censorship when it comes to matters of national security.

Secrets aren't censorship, but if someone finds out those secrets he should be able to tell whoever he wants. just guard the secrets better if they don't want them out.
 
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post Nov 19 2011, 05:37 PM
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Granted this is most likely to try and stop pirating of music/movies/ect. I assume it would make it easier to shutdown sites (permanently and with greater penalty) like pirate bay and other torrent sites. As well as streaming sites. So in that sense they have every right to pass the bill.

I have a legit fear of people trying to heavily censor and control the internet. As well as running it similar to the way they run TV (you pay this much for these channels, but have to pay this much extra for those channels). Maybe I am just paranoid.
 
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Or I am wayy to protective of the internet.
 
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post Nov 19 2011, 07:43 PM
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QUOTE(Tomates @ Nov 16 2011, 08:17 PM) *
I think it's dumb. Why censor the internet? I feel like it's taking away freedom as speech. Besides people are just going to find a way to get around it. Just like drugs, people know it's illegal but they still do it anyways.


the main purpose of the bill is merely to shutdown piracy sites. what people are angry about is how the bill proposes a technology to accomplish that, which also puts a lot of other power in their hands which could potentially limit free speech and access to information on the internet. they could also erase/prevent records of events, people, etc.

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QUOTE(spambot @ Nov 19 2011, 04:37 PM) *
Granted this is most likely to try and stop pirating of music/movies/ect. I assume it would make it easier to shutdown sites (permanently and with greater penalty) like pirate bay and other torrent sites. As well as streaming sites. So in that sense they have every right to pass the bill.

I have a legit fear of people trying to heavily censor and control the internet. As well as running it similar to the way they run TV (you pay this much for these channels, but have to pay this much extra for those channels). Maybe I am just paranoid.


the gov would but they have no control over foreign websites. this bill proposes that government can control what american citizens see through the isp (internet service provider). then they wouldn't have to shut down sites, they could just stop us from seeing it. this is the same technology the north korean government currently uses to censor what their citizens see.
 
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post Nov 19 2011, 09:41 PM
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I am not going to lie, I have not read far into the very specifics of the bill itself (yet), which is irresponsible of me seeing how I am preaching against it, but I do feel like people aren't caring as much as they should be caring. From what I have witnessed at least.

It gives them too much power, and they need to find a better way to deal with torrent sites specifically instead of bringing a tank to a gun fight.
 
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post Nov 20 2011, 02:19 AM
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QUOTE(Maccabee @ Nov 19 2011, 07:43 PM) *
the gov would but they have no control over foreign websites. this bill proposes that government can control what american citizens see through the isp (internet service provider). then they wouldn't have to shut down sites, they could just stop us from seeing it. this is the same technology the north korean government currently uses to censor what their citizens see.

Probably in China as well. Tumblr "censored" its content on my dashboard to get me to sign a petition against this bill, which I did because I wanted to check the posts. If the American government wants to curb illegal downloading, they should just go after the people who are downloading media for free more aggressively instead of using what seems like a blanket method of censoring the Internet in general.
 
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post Nov 20 2011, 02:47 AM
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Going after people who torrent would be damn near impossible. There are way too many. And you get that little issue of suing a 13 year old child for thousands of dollars for downloading a single song.
 
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post Nov 20 2011, 10:28 AM
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you'll get companies suing x number of defendants and offering to settle for say $1,000 per movie. these people get sued in federal court and because there are so many defendants in one suit they cant transfer the venue and wherever the suit is filed becomes the most convenient location. people either have to incur the expenses of hiring a lawyer to fight it and flying out there or just saying "it's not worth it" and paying the settlement offer. this to hundreds and hundreds of people nets the companies lots of monies. it also gets class actions filed so there's a lawyer to defend them all claiming they found the information illegally from isps
 
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it's not profitable to actually sue individuals so most companies will only do it every once in a while as a scare tactic. 99.999% of legal action involving illegal file sharing is between either the RIAA or MPAA and a small torrent site like re1ease.net (that was actually [wrongfully, the servers are in spain where this stuff is legal] seized by ICE but it's just an example)
 

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