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Posted by: superstitious Apr 3 2008, 01:47 PM

Make this thread helpful for the mods.

Mods are members, also. So member bashing is not allowed, as always. Don't make it a personal vendetta, please. Keep the bashing at 0%, please.

Any moderator has the right to close and unpin this thread at the signs of bashing, pointlessness, and/or any other guideline breaker.

I do hope this works out. I want to stress that this is not the place for personal attacks. If you really have to, keep it in the PM system between you and the mod. This thread is here to help mods work better with members.

Please do not make this thread into a full scale discussion. Its main purpose is for members to evaluate moderator performance. If your question/concern has been answer, cease to post here until you have another concern. Thank you.

So...your thoughts?

(Threads will closed at the 45 page mark)

Posted by: pandora Apr 3 2008, 01:50 PM

Just to reiterate, and make it a bit clearer - We will automatically delete spam and blatant bashing from this thread from now on; this isn't the venue for your personal vendettas against any of our mods.

Posted by: MichelleYue Apr 3 2008, 01:53 PM

Alright, I will take my responses to PM then :]

Posted by: pandora Apr 3 2008, 02:20 PM

Yeah we all have lives outside of cb so sometimes we lag on returning PMs. Rebecca sent me one a few days ago and it took me a few days to get back to her.

Posted by: MichelleYue Apr 3 2008, 06:25 PM

Diana
JC
Rebecca

Posted by: Steven Apr 3 2008, 06:43 PM

I, too, will go to PMs :]

Posted by: misoshiru Apr 3 2008, 11:53 PM

Not completely mod perf, but why are topics being deleted instead of just closed?

Posted by: Tungster Apr 3 2008, 11:53 PM

To either hide the evidence that it ever happened. But it could just be to clean up the forums so it won't look dirty.

Posted by: Elba Apr 3 2008, 11:54 PM

Nazi

Posted by: pandora Apr 3 2008, 11:58 PM

we're deleting any spam topics that comes in mass dosage and also any blatantly obvious spam topics simply because we obviously don't tolerate it and you guys already know the rules. I could go ahead and ask you why you're making spam topics to begin with. You could just not.

Posted by: misoshiru Apr 4 2008, 12:01 AM

so...what happened to the whole idea of a lounge as unmoderated as possible?

Posted by: pandora Apr 4 2008, 12:02 AM

lol i dont know why people insist in arguing that 5 different topics saying "hi ______" or w/e is acceptable, even in the lounge.

also i'd like to point out that the reason we close most topics instead of deleting them is because we're obliged to make sure you understand the reason for it. in the case of blatant spam and mass spam, we feel that you obviously already know the reason for it and therefore we don't need to have it clutter the forum.

Posted by: kryogenix Apr 4 2008, 01:24 AM

Why was my member evaluation thread deleted, but the other evaluation threads allowed to stay?

Posted by: Elba Apr 4 2008, 01:26 AM

Because "yours was blatant spam and you know the rules".

Posted by: pandora Apr 4 2008, 01:26 AM

Because all it said was "You all suck and will never be as awesome as me."

Posted by: kryogenix Apr 4 2008, 04:16 AM

You speak as if there's something wrong with that statement.

Posted by: superstitious Apr 4 2008, 09:38 AM

It's definitely not to "hide" anything. To be perfectly candid, if anyone questions the validity of something specific being deleted, you can always contact either Trish or myself as we can both not only see who has moderated topics, but we can also see the Trash can (where all the deleted stuff lives).

I think that the eval threads are fine and in some cases, it's brought some good discussion. I know I've been enjoying the different perspectives people have on one another. I thinks it's very Lounge-y. I think what separated Kryo's thread from the rest is the way he presented the topic. True, we may all very well suck and never be nearly as awesome as he is, but that's more or less a statement. That's why I can understand why it was interpreted as spam.

Yanlin - the idea behind having the Lounge be a more lenient forum is still there, but I am afraid that with the VIP Lounge being in existance, it sort of changes things just a tad. In VIP Lounge, you can pretty much do what you please (to an extent). You can spam, chill, etc. So essentially while the Lounge is more lenient than other forums still, the blatant spamming can certainly go in the VIP Lounge and since it isn't necessary to have a slew of the same topics (ie: how many "Hi" topics do we really need?) those are more likely to be trashed. However, like I mentioned above, these topics, when deleted don't just get lost in cyberspace somewhere. They are definitely retrievable so if it's something you really feel should stay, feel free to ask. It never hurts to ask.

Sorry for once again, a terribly long winded post.

PS - Thomas, I took care of that. Thanks for the alert.

Posted by: kryogenix Apr 4 2008, 09:53 AM

I was sure everyone would know the thread worked the same way as the other "my opinion of you threads" and that they would just post and wait for my evaluation of them...

Posted by: superstitious Apr 4 2008, 10:29 AM

Fair enough. I moved your thread back to the Lounge and have reopened it.

Posted by: pandora Apr 4 2008, 03:55 PM

you couldve just posted in the huge one and then tried again.

Posted by: Tungster Apr 4 2008, 04:04 PM

Lol, right. Of course there's some little chance that it is to hide something from the public. You can't possibly say it's DEFINITELY NOT.

Posted by: superstitious Apr 4 2008, 04:15 PM

How about I put it this way, anything is retrievable unless the contents of the post(s) are removed.

Posted by: Tungster Apr 4 2008, 04:16 PM

I know it's retrievable, but there's things that gets deleted and put in the trashcan, so the general public (non-mods) can't see it.

As for Trish, I'm going to be honest here, I actually think she has done a good job being an admin so far, the cB side of it of course. She done alot of stuff, like the OM search flood crap, and actually reorganizing the forums, and she's working on the wiki? But her personality and her attitude and just how she approaches thing just kills it for her you know what I mean. All that baggage just overrides all the good she has done so far on cB, so people's image of her as an Admin derives not from what she has and hasn't do for cB, but because it's from her rep.

Posted by: superstitious Apr 4 2008, 04:28 PM

Ok. I'm either not explaining myself well or I'm not saying what you want to hear. ;)

If someone deletes something, thus removing it from non trash can viewing access, there are people who can retrieve and move that something back to the public view. That I think you understand. What I am saying is that this idea that "evidence" is being hidden, isn't something that I personally condone or do. So, if you think that something is being deleted for the sole purpose of hiding, you can PM myself or another administrator to look into it.

I hope that clears it up a bit.

Posted by: pandora Apr 4 2008, 04:36 PM

You know if people didnt feel the need to provoke me 24/7 my reactions would be really different. If you had someone riding your ass all day it would be different than my situation too. You can respond however you like because you aren't on the staff and people don't automatically think "that's not how a mod should act." If I choose not to say anything and feed into the drama I get called out for "punking out." If I say anything, then I get called out for being a bitch. Sorry, but mods are people too. That's all I'm going to say on this matter.

Posted by: Steven Apr 4 2008, 04:57 PM

People don't necessarily want their critique answered by a defensive/pissed mod. Tung's critique wasn't bad by any means.

Posted by: pandora Apr 4 2008, 05:00 PM

I didn't say it was. I'm just explaining my stance on the subject.

Posted by: Steven Apr 4 2008, 06:34 PM

Then why get defensive?

Posted by: superstitious Apr 4 2008, 06:37 PM

Guys, this isn't for full blown discussion. I hate to cut anyone off, but please, just say your feedback and move on, ok? One or two back and forths I understand but can you please try to keep it at that?

Posted by: Tungster Apr 7 2008, 08:47 PM

Can someone remove my warnings now lol. Been almost a week.


Offtopic here, but I didn't know where to post this question. But you know how you guys say admins can't delete accounts or else it would mess up the cb4 structure or database or whatever? I saw Brandon requested to be deleted, but yall denied him. Steven's account got deleted and that didn't seem to mess anything up. Just curious. I never understand what the deal with that was. Ranting here.

Posted by: misoshiru Apr 7 2008, 10:03 PM

it feels as if 80% of the mods have disappeared.

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Apr 7 2008, 10:05 PM

it's because i left.


actually i agree. where is everyone?

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Apr 7 2008, 10:15 PM

i think it's because staff lost some of their forum presence mods, IMO.

Posted by: misoshiru Apr 7 2008, 10:27 PM

IA. but it means for the rest of the mods to step up and take over.


James def. has forum presence, but too bad he's in a different time zone.

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Apr 7 2008, 10:28 PM

Posted by: misoshiru Apr 7 2008, 10:32 PM

yeah. The ones I really notice are James (when he posts), Rebecca and Dani. Come on, where's everyone else?

Posted by: Tungster Apr 7 2008, 10:36 PM

maybe some new mods should get hired?

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Apr 7 2008, 10:36 PM

someone black imo. they lost all the black folk, that's the problem

Posted by: misoshiru Apr 7 2008, 10:37 PM

I had thought about that, but it's not as if cb is really lacking in mods.

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Apr 7 2008, 10:39 PM

i don't think jessica is a strong forum presence, but she isn't here enough to lately. i think ruth and cristy do a good job.

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Apr 7 2008, 10:41 PM

Miyashu

Posted by: misoshiru Apr 7 2008, 10:41 PM

Who's Jessica?

I think they have a strong forum presence, but it's different. I don't see Miyashu around. Maybe she's only in the design forums. Jane appears here and there, but I forget that she's a mod. Sarah, I don't remember seeing in awhile.

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Apr 7 2008, 10:42 PM

sarah just got back from vacation, so we should be seeing more of her. she's typically a mod who's all over all the forums.

Posted by: Tungster Apr 7 2008, 10:42 PM

sarah was gone for like two weeks, she came back couple days ago.

and yeah miyashu is awesome.

Posted by: misoshiru Apr 7 2008, 10:43 PM

OH okay. no wonder. I was wondering where she went.

Posted by: Elba Apr 7 2008, 10:46 PM

Spencer for people staff.

NOT.

Posted by: Spencer Apr 7 2008, 10:47 PM

Elba is black.

NOT.

Posted by: misoshiru Apr 7 2008, 10:56 PM

Oh, and I forgot to mention that Diana definitely has forum presence.

Posted by: Tungster Apr 7 2008, 10:58 PM

LOl so in the end, you basically have 75% of staff having forum presence i think.

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Apr 7 2008, 10:58 PM

lol well still, it doesn't feel like any are around.

Posted by: misoshiru Apr 7 2008, 10:59 PM

Okay, I should've made it clearer, I wish that more of people staff had forum presence. In People Staff, I personally feel that only James has forum presence.

Posted by: misoshiru Apr 7 2008, 11:02 PM

IMO, ruth only does mod stuff.

Posted by: paperplane Apr 7 2008, 11:02 PM

And James has only had forum presence for all of three days.

Posted by: Tungster Apr 7 2008, 11:03 PM

are you kidding. ruth is all over the relationship forums helping people out. i notice her presence.

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Apr 7 2008, 11:04 PM

x2

Posted by: misoshiru Apr 7 2008, 11:04 PM

relationship isn't the only thing that needs mods.

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Apr 7 2008, 11:06 PM

ok staff, take notes.

people want mods who are members of the community. not mods who are mods. mods who are mods are disconnected from the community.

Posted by: misoshiru Apr 7 2008, 11:08 PM

well said.





now where have the mods been all this time we've been having this discussion?

Posted by: paperplane Apr 7 2008, 11:10 PM

Backstage, from the looks of it. All three online are "reading board index."

Posted by: misoshiru Apr 7 2008, 11:11 PM

yeah. backstage should not be the only place that mods go either.

Posted by: Tungster Apr 7 2008, 11:13 PM

yanlin for people staff.

Posted by: sparrowdust Apr 7 2008, 11:15 PM

Er, I've been in Relationships for a bit now... Or at least, predominantly, but note taken.

Posted by: paperplane Apr 7 2008, 11:16 PM

Out of curiosity, are mods still not allowed to be invisible? Or was that a blogring rule?

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Apr 7 2008, 11:16 PM

they are allowed to

Posted by: paperplane Apr 7 2008, 11:20 PM

Yeah, I remember that being BR now. Got confused for a second.

Posted by: misoshiru Apr 7 2008, 11:34 PM

and to add a bit more, after what happened this last week, I feel that the current mods should step up their game even more and in a way, solidify the sense of community on cb. It seems that it's completely fallen apart now.

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Apr 7 2008, 11:38 PM

i agree with yan lin.

Posted by: freeflow Apr 7 2008, 11:47 PM

Aw Look at Mr. Ex-Mod JC being all supportive and teaching them how to do things.

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Apr 7 2008, 11:51 PM

W.W.Jc.D

Posted by: MissHygienic Apr 7 2008, 11:57 PM

Assuming there was ever a sense of community in the first place. You can't really fix what you haven't broken. I don't feel as if moderators had a significant forum presence before, anyway, but people have other things to do, especially at this time. The criticism would be more constructive at another time.

Posted by: Just_Dream Apr 8 2008, 12:08 AM

Yea, yea you tell 'em. He's was on the mod team, a former ex-Head Staff. Listen to him.

lol.

But seriously, yea you should be all around the forums if you're a moderator, especially as people staff. I mean, just because maybe the anime, food, Relationships, etc. forums might not have been touched or something by other moderators, you're still supposed to go around to each forum, do something here, do something there, etc.

But moving topics and stuff is important as well as a strong presence. People want to see that you're actively participating in a community that you've been selected to lead, whether it be participation or moderation. That balance is what keeps you on, ESPECIALLY if you are part of People Staff. I'm not going to deal with Design Staff or anything because I'm not really over there... Haha.

And it's not even about "having" a sense of community at this time. There is always a sense of community, but it depends on how you handle it. I mean, without a sense of community, don't you think everything would be in chaos? Just because we have the drama and crap doesn't mean that everything is falling apart. I think it's that kind of pessimistic attitude that boggles me, that's all.

EDIT - MissHygienic, I am not attacking you or anything. This is just a general statement, but it incorporates what you've said. I know you've been around also, as I've seen you.

Posted by: pandora Apr 8 2008, 12:23 AM

p.s. jusun deleted stevens account, not any of the admins.

edit://

here's my opinion on design staff. i don't really think that they should be held accountable for not having a strong enough forum presence. How many of the people posting in this topic actually visit the Resource Center? Should we expect the design staffers to have to answer questions in the RC while moderating topics there as well, go through 50+ layouts and 50+ graphics in the queue, submit layouts, and then turn around and post whore in the community center? Sounds like we're asking too much of them, in my opinion. People staff are only required to moderate the community center and keep their post count up. (Not saying that they do less than the design staff, just saying that it's like apples and oranges. You can't expect the same things out of DS as you would from PS.)

so why do we go to such great lengths to find design staffers with a 5.0 ppd when the second they get hired they're going to have to start focusing more in the RC than the CC? Most of the people even interested in design only come here to share their expertise by posting in the RC or submitting a ton of layouts. Why would they care about the community center?

just sayin.

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Apr 8 2008, 07:40 AM

trish is right. i don't really care about DS's forum presence compared to people staff. although it would be nice, sarah was able to do it.

Posted by: S-Majere Apr 8 2008, 07:43 AM

Sarah has no life.

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Apr 8 2008, 07:44 AM

Posted by: The-March-Hare Apr 8 2008, 11:02 AM

Hey, guys, sorry I didn't check in here when I was online last night... for once I actually genuinely forgot to check into Feedback, hence missing the reorg thread as well. Sad times...

I'm going to make a point of trying to actually start some topics as well as just joining in over the next little while.

The only thing is I have essay deadline sup until next thursday, so I'll be a little stretched. I'll work on it though.

Although yanners does have a point, I am time zoneally challenged, despite being somewhat nocturnal.

Posted by: Tamacracker Apr 8 2008, 12:03 PM

Apparently there's another 20% of mods that needs to be abolished as well.

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Apr 8 2008, 12:25 PM

^for what?

i know you don't like the mods, but the site needs them. i don't know who you would want to mod. you seem to dislike just about everyone here.

Posted by: Tamacracker Apr 8 2008, 12:42 PM

Some are cut out to be mods, most really aren't and I have no clue why they're even in that superiority level.

Posted by: superstitious Apr 8 2008, 12:45 PM

I am curious as to who you think isn't cut out and why.

Posted by: Tamacracker Apr 8 2008, 01:08 PM

It's best not to mention names.

Posted by: Spencer Apr 8 2008, 01:09 PM

Tbh, that's really not helping in speaking out then.

Tbh, that's really not helping in speaking out then.

Posted by: The-March-Hare Apr 8 2008, 01:20 PM

Actually, no. That just ends up being incredibly unhelpful and unproductive.

Posted by: pandora Apr 8 2008, 02:47 PM

I don't think mods are put in place to be "superior" to anyone else here.

Posted by: Tamacracker Apr 8 2008, 03:40 PM

Exaaactly.... nor are they meant to abuse any rules at any given time when they feel is ok to do so.

Posted by: S-Majere Apr 8 2008, 03:45 PM

Well, yeah.

Tamacracker - if you have a problem with a specific staff member/s or aspect of CB either go ahead and spit it out already or suck it up. If you don't feel like you can announce your reservations publically; PM a staff member who you feel you can communicate your problems to.

Posted by: misoshiru Apr 8 2008, 03:52 PM

I completely disagree with that. Previous to the current mods, many of the mods (and in all of this, I'm referring to only People Staff, DS doesn't matter) had a strong presence around these forums. People Staff are modded not only to just mod the general forums, but to keep the forums moving. Sure, everyone's busy at this time of the year, whether we're regular/official members or mods. But if all PS does right now, is to comment on just one or two subforums and talk backstage, I don't feel as if they're really doing their jobs.

And are you saying that just because people are busy, that my criticism of not having mods around is invalid? Obviously, none of you are paid to work here, which makes 'modding' just whatever spare time you may have. But if mods can't devote time to cb, even if it's just 15-20 minutes a day or so, to pop in, visit a couple of subforums and comment on certain things, then I think that they should step down.

So many previous mods have been demoted or have stepped down due to this. Not because they don't come on every day, but they don't make their presence seen enough that it was seen as inactivity.

Posted by: MissHygienic Apr 8 2008, 03:59 PM

Nah, I basically misspoke. I was talking about the new People Staff moderators, not in all of history of moderators on CreateBlog. There was already a discussion about how moderators should work together and act like a team rather than having our (in general) own personal brand of dysfunction. I wasn't invalidating your statement of having all of the moderators step up their game; I was saying that the moderators weren't really working well together in the first place. Hence, you know, persuading a few to step down from staff. I can't speak for them, though.

Posted by: misoshiru Apr 8 2008, 04:00 PM

Ah okay, I get it.

Posted by: Tamacracker Apr 8 2008, 04:20 PM

You're right, I'm gonna suck it up and watch.

Posted by: Tungster Apr 8 2008, 05:38 PM

were you trying to make a reference like W.E.B Du Bois?

Posted by: Synesthesia Apr 8 2008, 05:41 PM

WWJD, or "What would Jesus do?"

Posted by: SkyliteX Apr 13 2008, 04:19 PM

well I accidently made a new topic, so mods can close that one, but I would like to say thank you to the mods for taking time to care for the community, I respect that, and I also respect your tolerance alot for the bashing people pf this community :]]

Posted by: Elba Apr 14 2008, 01:29 AM

Instead of replying in MP with "take out the image tags", why not PM the person instead or use your energy to take out the image tags? It's annoying reading a reply that has nothing to do with the topic.

That goes to Cristy. That's all I ever see her doing.

Posted by: pandora Apr 14 2008, 01:50 AM

Posted by: Elba Apr 14 2008, 09:20 AM

So?

Posted by: libertie Apr 14 2008, 09:56 AM

To answer your question, "verbal warnings" have been issued in the past for this, but we've recently discussed already that this is slightly inefficient. Instead, when it happens, an automatic raised warning level will happen (since a 10% warning increase is nothing, especially since OMs only get demoted at 20% now) - the member will be contacted and hopefully this will stop happening.

Posted by: paperplane Apr 14 2008, 10:08 AM

I don't really see why you wouldn't still edit them if leaving tags in is a problem.

Posted by: illmortal Apr 14 2008, 11:17 AM

S-Majere deserves a promotion if possible. Finally she has listened to me and has taken action to get rid of bnox after gettin caught having multiple usernames. I applaud you S-Majere, you rock.

For all of you who had doubt... I dislike you. JK... but I have to say this though, I TOLD YOU SO!

Here's a hint, she doesn't deserve to hold the position she has, and many people know and can agree to this, someone such as yourself does. Get rid of her and you'd get rid of a lot of problems.

Posted by: Tungster Apr 14 2008, 12:24 PM

^ Well at least now we all know it's a she he's talking about.
So can't be any of the guys on staff.

Posted by: S-Majere Apr 14 2008, 12:29 PM

Actually, I think that was thanks to Cristy



Still...not helping.

Posted by: superstitious Apr 14 2008, 01:22 PM

Part of it, in my opinion is "proof", although having said that, a poster can certainly remove the tags after the fact. I still think the whole image tags thing is silly. It's not difficult to remove them and I don't know why people are so intent on leaving them. I understand an accident (if you're just posting quickly and don't think about it) or new folks who don't know any better (although people really should read the guidelines before posting. We all know that happens. lol). If I see them, I go ahead and remove them, but I'm sort of OCD-ish like that.

Seriously. Other people have no problems saying exactly who it is they have an issue with. I have no idea why you are so reluctant. If it was causing problems that you were concerned about, you wouldn't say anything at all. As such, it's hard for me to take you 100% seriously when you are so intent on being cryptic. If you're sincerely concerned about the well being of cB, you'd be direct. You do understand the concept of being direct, right? :P

Posted by: agiri Apr 14 2008, 02:25 PM

Agreed. If any staff member isn't living up to expectations, identifying them and the problem nicely will only make them improve their performance. So spit it out already.

Posted by: Synesthesia Apr 14 2008, 02:43 PM

I'm sorry for annoying you with that, and I understand where you're coming from because I anticipate people's reactions when that's all I reply with. It's just that I'd rather give the person a chance to remove the tags himself instead of raising his warning level, especially since he should know better and just remove one tag. But I'll take your suggestion and PM the person instead.

Posted by: Dominatrix Apr 14 2008, 02:48 PM

Hes talking about me.

But whatever hes absolutely right many of the problems on cB are my fault and my fault alone And i may consider giving him his wet dream and step down.


But that wont be soon really so hang on there tamacracker

Posted by: illmortal Apr 14 2008, 04:11 PM

From my understandin, it wouldn't matter as this person is semi-special to Jusun...



lol it's definitely not you.

Posted by: Spencer Apr 14 2008, 04:14 PM

It's Trish.

Everyone already knows, Tama. Stop being a pussy and just say it.

Posted by: S-Majere Apr 14 2008, 04:15 PM

We are all special in the eyes of the Lord.

Seriously now, and I'm putting on my pout face as I bash this out on my keyboard here, if you're not going to take advice and either PM a moderator privately about your concerns or publicise it here in Mod Perf, then I don't want to see one more letter coming out of your keyboard about it.

Posted by: Dominatrix Apr 14 2008, 04:16 PM

REALLY?

what the hell.I always thought you were talking about me.

Posted by: superstitious Apr 14 2008, 04:21 PM

I actually laughed out loud at that.

This is just silly. I feel like I'm in that scene in Breakfast Club when they're all like, "just answer the question Claire."

Say who and why. Honestly, that's the only way to help. *shrug

Posted by: pandora Apr 14 2008, 04:21 PM

Rofl seriously, no one else has a problem saying my name, Tama. I don't know why you're being so hush-hush about it.

Posted by: Tungster Apr 14 2008, 04:23 PM

Sorry but People Staff as a whole just sucks. I like everyone on People Staff, but they just aren't cut out as mods to be honest.

Cristy - She's way too nice and lenient, and needs to be more outspoken on issues. She's a good friend of mines, but being a mod probably isn't her thing.

Jane - I've never seen her mod a thing. Maybe 2-3 times a month at most. I like Jane. She's cute, but looks can only go so far.

Ruth - Too inconsistent. When she was hired, she was good for about a week, then she disappeared with her weird issues for a while, then came back and was the best people staff out there for another good 2-3 days, and disappear again. What we need is consistency.

James - sucks up way too damn much, and tries too damn hard. I like the dude, but his modding just flat out sucks

Either People Staff need to suck it up, and get it together, or hire some people who actually interact with the community and actually mod the forums, instead of just posting like an Official Member.

Maybe because he's afraid of you. Everyone's intimidated by you. You might get so defensive, and get mad at him, and call Jusun while he's in the showers, then get him to sign on cB immediately and tell him to permabanned Tama.

Posted by: illmortal Apr 14 2008, 04:25 PM

nah i like you.

Posted by: pandora Apr 14 2008, 04:26 PM

Yeah I didn't tell Jusun to permaban anyone, he did that of his own accord. I didn't call him either, he just signed on to do cb stuff.

Posted by: illmortal Apr 14 2008, 04:26 PM

^ agreed...
I can't even try to be cool with Pandora cuz some how it'll be twisted and I get a verbal warning =\

Posted by: Dominatrix Apr 14 2008, 04:27 PM

Ah a victory for me.

Oh enough spam from me.

Posted by: pandora Apr 14 2008, 04:37 PM

ok so i just looked back at your other posts in here tama, and i can't really... do anything because you haven't even given any constructive criticism. you're just saying that some are "cut out" and some "arent cut out" and that "getting rid of me" would solve our problems. or w/e.


there's a difference between criticism and bitching.

Posted by: Tungster Apr 14 2008, 04:56 PM

good to know you actually know the difference.

Posted by: illmortal Apr 14 2008, 04:57 PM

Posted by: libertie Apr 14 2008, 04:59 PM

Let me suggest to some of the people posting in this topic that you take a moment to re-read Rebecca's first post.

If you have any specific concerns you don't want to address in this thread, feel free to PM Rebecca or myself about it. However, as this topic is concerned, be constructive and helpful or don't post (please).

Posted by: The-March-Hare Apr 15 2008, 07:52 AM

What?

Posted by: Synesthesia Apr 15 2008, 03:35 PM

Really? I thought I was being a bit meaner/more strict lately. Like that post where I told everyone to get back on topic, and then you edited your following post saying how I was being a Nazi. xD I don't want to be a Nazi. I'm trying to find a balance, though.

Posted by: illmortal Apr 15 2008, 03:37 PM

he's a complete suck up, brown nose, shitty mod... that's what tung said. who ever the heck that is.

Posted by: Dominatrix Apr 15 2008, 03:38 PM

The-March-Hare is James =/

Posted by: illmortal Apr 15 2008, 04:23 PM

HA! Sorry, that was actually funny in my head.

Posted by: Tungster Apr 21 2008, 10:16 PM

lmao not one mod is doing shit with what's happening now. this speaks volumes. I guess cristy should be admin huh, since she's actually doing something.

Posted by: superstitious Apr 22 2008, 09:07 AM

You know, the admins can't be on 24/7. ;) (I'm not sure who was on at the time, to be honest).

I agree though that Cristy is terrific.

Posted by: Written4You Apr 24 2008, 12:35 AM

Here is a question for the staff:

Why the hell do you reject images for reasons such as "the grass is too sharp" or "the clouds stick out too much". This is not criticism, this is a personal opinion that is nowhere near a design status. Number one. It's BLADES of grass for a reason. Sharp kinda comes with the equation. and how can I take "the clouds stick out too much" as a "helpful" criticism? How is this helpful? I understand rejecting an image if the quality is bad or if the image is stolen, however "the grass is too sharp" or "i don't like the dress on the girl" is an absolutely retarded reason to reject an image. Keep personal opinions out of the "criticism" you seem to be giving and leave it at design quality HELPFUL feedback.

Posted by: pandora Apr 24 2008, 01:18 AM

Those are comments that have to do with the composition and overall aesthetic of the design, which is something that we check for as much as low quality graphics and pixelation. You can't expect us not to have standards for aesthetic.

And just to clarify, we aren't actually required to provide any "helpful" feedback or any tips on how you can make your submissions better. We're only required to tell you the reason why it was rejected.


This is a resource site, not show and tell, and we aren't your art teachers.

Posted by: libertie Apr 24 2008, 01:20 AM

Hmm.. feel free to PM me about this, but that sounds like it is helpful criticism.

However, to give you the benefit of the doubt if you are ever unhappy with a rejection notice you receive you are always welcome to PM another design staffer, a head staffer, or an administrator to get a second opinion.

I would recommend letting us know either in PM or in this thread which image was rejected and perhaps quote the notes you received on it. I can do my best to give you some insight and perhaps let you know why it was rejected if I do in fact feel like it should have been.

edit; Let me add that the things you mentioned were personal opinions by the staff member were actually legitimate reasons as to why (now, having seen the graphic in question) the piece was rejected. Staff members, when going through the queue, are expected to act as sort of representatives for the rest of the community. We accept things that we feel are up to standards and that the community will like. In contrast, we reject things that we feel will not be as well-received by the community. When you receive reasons as to why those things were rejected, they will seem like personal opinions. But trust me - our staff members are staff members BECAUSE we trust their opinions.

Posted by: Insurmountable Apr 24 2008, 01:46 AM

Thank you Trish & Dani

Written4you, I wrote you back just to let you know.

I'm sorry if you didn't feel like I was helpful enough, but next time if you want advice about your graphics post them in the showcase to get opinions and perhaps a helpful hand in fixing anything if there is a problem with the overall image.

Trish and Dani, I actually PMed you a link to one of the images she submitted so if you would like to tell me your opinions of it, I told her I would PM them to her. Unless you want to PM them to her yourself, feel free.

Posted by: pandora Apr 24 2008, 01:47 AM

lol i read the PM before i read your post... if i had known you were sending my evaluation to her, i wouldve worded it a bit more pleasantly.

Posted by: Insurmountable Apr 24 2008, 01:49 AM

oh lol, oops.

to late >_>

Posted by: pandora Apr 24 2008, 01:51 AM

nevermind, i just read what you wrote to her. yours was worse XD, but im going to assume that she was giving you an attitude since you were like "please dont get an attitude with me."

Posted by: Insurmountable Apr 24 2008, 01:55 AM

Yea I believe she was. I mean the way she used exclamation points a few times gives me the vibe that if I was in front of her she would have raised her voice.


[/spam] alright i'll shut up, everyone get on topic XD

Posted by: misoshiru Apr 29 2008, 10:23 PM

HEY MODS. WHERE'S YOUR CONSISTENCY?
I think that Ruth's been on staff long enough to know the rules.

Posted by: Elba Apr 29 2008, 10:23 PM

What are you referring to, Yan Lin? Please explain.

Posted by: misoshiru Apr 29 2008, 10:36 PM

Posted by: Insurmountable Apr 30 2008, 12:08 AM

Well I have to say that she was a bit questionable about it, but personally I would have let it slide Having img tags on the same page is annoying but if the picture isn't on the other page then I could see that as being fine. My opinion of course, so ignore me xD

Posted by: misoshiru Apr 30 2008, 12:28 AM

but that means that staff isn't being consistent enough about it. first telling people to take all img tags out no matter from whatever pages the pictures are from. and now, it's like "oh it doesn't matter THAT much." there needs to be more consistency here. if staff is going to follow the rules, then they NEED to follow the rules.

Posted by: Insurmountable Apr 30 2008, 12:29 AM

Of course, I agree with you Yanlin. And I can see why you think this, if staff did say that ALL img tags need to removed than all tags need to removed.

Posted by: Elba Apr 30 2008, 12:49 AM

It is on the same page for me.

Posted by: Spencer Apr 30 2008, 12:51 AM

Can we have rules about deleting topics? Trish is ridiculously abusing that power. Topics used to never disappear unless they were blatant spam and weren't needed.

Posted by: Just_Dream Apr 30 2008, 08:57 PM

Oh yea and it would be great if moderators (especially those higher up) were not signed in as invisible. That way we can see which moderators are active and which are not. It would be nice if certain moderators who are called out would at least reply in the topic in which they are being called out upon. Being anonymous doesn't mean one should avoid a topic.

Although, maybe topics should be considered RESOLVED when BOTH SIDES agree that it's resolved. It would be detrimental to some members, if not to many members, if a topic was considered resolved, but clearly it was half-assed in regards to being resolved.

Posted by: sparrowdust May 1 2008, 12:34 AM

Sorry, I completely overlooked the first thread - it's fixed now.

Posted by: misoshiru May 1 2008, 12:41 AM

hey. so you ever going to tell tung to take out those img tags?

Posted by: sparrowdust May 1 2008, 12:45 AM

I'm going to talk about img tags (again) with the rest of the mods backstage. For now, I'm leaving it.

Posted by: heartquasm May 1 2008, 12:48 AM

Posted by: Tungster May 1 2008, 12:50 AM

nobody removvee imggg tag frum moi NUB..!

Posted by: superstitious May 1 2008, 10:58 AM

Thomas – I think it was me that you chatted with, although I think we were chatting about threads that were lingering around when either the questioned had been resolved or the member hadn’t returned to their thread in a long time and the concern was that these threads were just sitting in the Resource Center subforums. I know that has been brought up before and that things should be cleaned out in the Resource subforums. We’re a bit short on design staff right now and while that isn’t a great excuse, the queue and answering questions are their priority. I want to let you know that I haven’t forgotten that conversation though. Regarding pinned/time sensitive topics. Yes, we should be doing a better job with maintaining those. Thank you for the feedback.

Invisibility – I’m visible now! hahaha I don’t find it to be a big deal, but if seeing who is and isn’t online (when it comes to moderators) is important to the community, I think that it’s a small request to make and an easy enough request to honor.

To image tag or not to image tag! For some reason it is sticking in my mind that if the picture was on a page previous, that it was reasonable to have the image reposted. I’ll need to check around the forum to see why that is in my brain. Having said that, if not everyone is moderating consistently, I can see why that would be confusing and frustrating. Ruth did bring this up Backstage and we’ll get on the same train of thought so that things can be handled more evenly.

(PS, I actually typed this post in Outlook at work and am copying my response into this thread (since my internet time is limited at work). If I have missed anything brought up, I apologize and will read over the past few pages of Mod Feedback to ensure that people at least get their concerns acknowledged).

Also, as an aside, I have a great number of things going on in my personal life. As such, I simply cannot be here as often as I might have been formerly. As things get resolved personally, I’ll do my best to be here more, contribute more and see things/issues through more.

Posted by: brooklyneast05 May 1 2008, 12:23 PM

i was almost always on invisible when i was on staff, and before it, and now. i almost never sign out though so i just keep the same setting automatically and never really think about it. anyway i've never really had a problem though with anyone wanting to sign on that way


i think resolved threads should work like they do in the resource center.

Posted by: superstitious May 1 2008, 05:37 PM

Meaning, wait until the OP has said something about the resolution?

Posted by: The-March-Hare May 1 2008, 05:56 PM

Hi, guys.

Due to something which happened very recently, I will have to be on very low/no activity for the next few days, at least. This is a personal issue, so I can't give a definitive time frame.

I'm posting this here because the absent thread has disappeared from the pinned section of the lounge, and this was quicker than searching.

Posted by: brooklyneast05 May 1 2008, 08:19 PM

yes ma'am

Posted by: Tungster May 1 2008, 10:35 PM

Wow, way to blatantly put down EVERYONE on this site. That was a really uncall for comment, and dumb thing to say imo. Give me a penny, and I'll made a layout and good design. If she was SOOO good at designing, why would she need to jock and copy images? What does that say of her as a designer. I rather be an average designer, than a designer who supposedly a so called 'expert' who jocks and reuse layout concepts.

Sorry, but I really got offended by this comment you said, because you really act like Trish is above as all, and that she is on some kind of "level" that is higher than ours. She is not above me, nor is she under me. We're all equal here. It's like saying since we aren't on someone's level we shouldn't criticize them? So should we not criticize our president. He's above our level is he not?

Posted by: Elba May 1 2008, 10:42 PM

Also, to add to this, perhaps you're right, Jusun. Maybe we have done something similar in the past. The difference between us and trash Trish is that if someone pointed out that we were jocking or should have given credit on something, we'd say something along the lines of "Oh, you know what you're right, I should have given credit on that. Sorry, I didn't mean to" or whatever. HOWEVER, Trish never owns up to shit. She can't admit to being wrong. She said it herself that IT "DESERVED NO CREDIT", WHEN CLEARLY IT DOES DESERVE CREDIT.

I think the thing isn't really about Trish using the image without crediting; it's more about her not being able to say she was wrong and should have given credit.

Bitch, own up to your shit.

Posted by: heartquasm May 1 2008, 10:44 PM

^ I agree with Elba.

Posted by: micron May 1 2008, 10:53 PM

hi,

i apologize, it was a stupid thing to say. i didn't mean to put Trish above everyone else, i dont believe that. i was expressing my frustration over the whole situation, considering that most people learn how to web design first by imitating other designs, and more often than not, not crediting them. most designers would readily agree with me on that fact, so i found it annoying when people who aren't designers were so ready to attack her (without knowing the real situation behind "jocking" - everyone did it at one point in their designing 'careers'). but this doesnt excuse Trish from brushing everything away, considering her reaction to Mike's previous mistakes.

i could have expressed myself better, so i apologize.

Posted by: Teesa May 1 2008, 10:55 PM

^thanks for saying that jusun. and i can totally admit to not crediting images, etc. when i FIRST started making layouts and stuff.

we just want her to admit that she did something wrong. why is that so damn difficult?

Posted by: Tungster May 1 2008, 11:07 PM

Thanks Jusun. I agree that as a beginner designer, I too did jock and didn't credit images I used. But we are talking about an expert here, who jocked so that's sort of different. She's no beginner, and fully well know what she did. But yeah again, thanks for the clear up Jusun.

Posted by: Spencer May 1 2008, 11:24 PM

Yeah, when they FIRST start...not after they've gone through schooling and done plenty of client work.

It was nice that you at least owned up to your mistake, though.

Posted by: Just_Dream May 2 2008, 03:37 AM

Because she's already digged a hold she can't get out of
Obviously she doesn't have the time to deal with this, what with all the interviews and "clients" she has.

Might I add onto what Elba, Tung, and Spencer said:

Since trash Trish is such an expert, she shouldn't have done this in the first place -- she should know the rules. In addition, she even made that thread that we must have "written permission" or some other kind of consent when using someone else's work. I find it very hypocritical of her to make that thread, only to break such a rule.

As for "I found it annoying when people who aren't designers were so ready to attack her", does that mean that someone who doesn't necessarily design should not voice their opinions? That's like saying just because some people cannot play any instrument, that they don't have the right to critique any musical piece. And I know I'm being redundant here, but I feel like this is not stressed enough: this wouldn't have blown up if she had apologized and given credit in the first place, instead of being so stubborn about it.

Although I forgot to add, thanks for clearing up what you said in the other thread.

Posted by: heartquasm May 2 2008, 12:39 PM

Did she post in the absent thread or something?

As head staff, she really hasn't been doing much modding lately. If all the staff members were as MIA as she is right now, we could be having a rally out there and nobody would notice.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Elba May 2 2008, 07:51 PM

I wouldn't count on Trisj addressing this situation anytime soon (if at all).

Anyway, I think Cristy stands out the most. If anyone is going to be the next admin, it should definitely be her. She's been doing a great job and I see her post everywhere.

Posted by: karmakiller May 2 2008, 08:22 PM

Ever since I was on staff we've always come to the agreement that if it's a few pages back (or one, too, I suppose) that it's okay to leave the image tags, so that the person who's reading the post wouldn't have to search through previous pages to find it. I understand why people say that the image tags should go, because when someone quotes the image the URL is still there and is still able to be clicked (if the person quoted it right). With that being said, a lot of people have high speed internet... so it shouldn't take THAT long for an image to load.

Posted by: Synesthesia May 2 2008, 11:04 PM

Wow. Thanks, Elba. I don't think I'd want to be an admin, though, because there's so much pressure to do things correctly. Being Head Staff is enough. But really I appreciate your comment.

As for the whole image tag thing, it was discussed some Backstage, and I just posted this in the current Members' Photos topic:


People don't need to click back through the pages to find the photo that's being discussed. Instead, they can click the red arrow in the quoted post, which will take them back to the original post with the photo in it. Simple. That's what the red arrow is there for.

Posted by: nazimodssuck May 6 2008, 11:25 PM

Alright Nazis, if you won't play by the rules, I won't.

You have until noon tomorrow to apologize. After that, your fate is sealed.

Delete this, and retribution will be immediate.

Posted by: fuckwithmeandfindout May 6 2008, 11:37 PM

Thomas, I don't do PMs. I'd rather speak to the mod staff as a whole.

Now inform me. Which rule does posting pictures of turds break? Far worse has been posted by both myself and others.

Posted by: ersatz May 6 2008, 11:44 PM

But he declared war because he was suspended over something he shouldn't have been suspended for (like you just said). So...it wouldn't have happened if he wasn't suspended. So...his posts now being used as punishment is pretty much invalid and stupid.

Posted by: fuckwithmeandfindout May 6 2008, 11:46 PM

It's kryogenix, not kyro, you illiterate asscommander.

My posts have been completely relevant. I posted f**king bulls in a rape thread. I posted vomiting in response to a post about vomiting.

And besides, that's completely irrelevant seeing as the f**king warning in my warn log has nothing to do with spammy or pointless posts. My posting ability was suspended because of the offensive nature of my posts, when worse has been posted in the past. What in the f**k.

What a useless mod you are.

Posted by: fuckwithmeandfindout May 6 2008, 11:54 PM

Let's go, I know you've read this. It shouldn't take you this long to give me an answer if the reason for my punishment was so obvious.

Posted by: fuckwithmeandfindout May 7 2008, 12:09 AM

You papaya groping simpleton. I read your PM, and I've already stated that my problem is that my posting ability shouldn't have been suspended in the first place. THE ONLY REASON I MADE ANOTHER ACCOUNT WAS SO THAT I COULD COMMUNICATE HERE, BUT YOU ANUS MCGILLACUDDYS JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT DO YOU?

Why is it so hard to get a decent explanation from you guys?

Unsuitable IMGs is bullshit. I've posted shit before, other people have posted shit before, but all of a sudden, it's not allowed? EVEN CARTOON POOP? What in the f**k.

THE IMAGES WEREN'T EVEN REMOVED UNTIL A WHILE AFTER. WHAT IN THE ASS STEALING SHIT SALAD WAS THAT ABOUT? Are they unsuitable or not? If they are unsuitable, why the f**k would you leave them up for a while longer?

ANSWER: THE MODS HAVE SOME BULLSHIT AGENDA AGAINST ME. I mean, f**k, there's a SPECIAL RULE BACKSTAGE FOR ME? What in the cactus penis camel f**k is that?

Posted by: Elba May 7 2008, 12:21 AM

You're right, I don't think it should have been suspended. Who suspended you? Sorry I just skimmed over the posts, so I don't know if you already mentioned it.

Posted by: ersatz May 7 2008, 12:23 AM

James suspended him.

Posted by: fuckwithmeandfindout May 7 2008, 12:24 AM

March Hare something or other.

Posted by: Tungster May 7 2008, 12:24 AM

James suspended James. Oh the irony.

ohh and it dat memba staff marchh hairry balls o sumthin..

Posted by: Elba May 7 2008, 12:25 AM

Can you post the picture again? I don't understand how posting pictures of bulls, vomit and poop warrant a suspension.

Posted by: DoubleJ May 7 2008, 12:25 AM

Can he not lol! I am partaking in food right now lol.

Posted by: fuckwithmeandfindout May 7 2008, 12:32 AM

Yeah but the dick piece definitely was earlier, and someone definitely did delete the first post I made complaining about it.



Yes, but the dick piece saw the pictures and thought enough of them to suspend me, yet didn't bother to remove them right then and there?

Something not look right about that to you?

Posted by: Insurmountable May 7 2008, 12:38 AM

I think the biggest deal is, that the items that James posts are pretty border line and it sometimes kind of shines through that he tries to put out things that are "border line". I think at the time James (people staff) did the best he could have, he disabled your posting until the staff could come together on a decision on what to do about it all. At the time you were spamming around and posting videos and such.

I think at the time it was the best he could do.

After that, I wasn't online because I got called in to work and being sick and all makes me sick looking at the computer screen.

Posted by: Tungster May 7 2008, 12:39 AM

he wasn't spamming. the pictures and videos he posted were relevant of the topic at hand.

Posted by: fuckwithmeandfindout May 7 2008, 12:42 AM

HOW IS POSTING BULL SEX IN A RAPE THREAD THAT CONTAINED A VIDEO ON TURTLE SEX SPAM? HOW IS POSTING A DESKTOP WALLPAPER IN THE DESKTOP THREAD SPAM? HOW IS POSTING A PICTURE OF CARTOON CHARACTERS VOMITING SPAM WHEN THE POST I QUOTED TALKED ABOUT BULIMIA?

Posted by: Spencer May 7 2008, 12:45 AM

THOMAS! DO YOU KNOW HOW TO SPELL BECAUSE?!

Posted by: Insurmountable May 7 2008, 12:45 AM

Sorry, I saw a topic that you made on your own posting videos.

Take this up with James (people staff). Argh, why do you two have to have the same name >_>

Posted by: DoubleJ May 7 2008, 12:51 AM

Hopefully, he can respond to it, so that this can be over. I will admit, that I would be upset as well if I was left w/o an explanation. I am sure that James will give an explanation as soon as he is able to.

Posted by: libertie May 7 2008, 01:40 AM

Kryo, I am going to unsuspend you. I apologize for the misunderstanding, and I hope that if something like this arises in the future, everything will be perfectly clear and fair. We're going to do our best to stick to the rules both in our own posting and with how we deal with discipline. Your feedback is always appreciated, as is everyone else's, and I am more than willing to accept it if we've done something wrong. I hope that you're able to show us and everyone else that we were wrong in suspending you. I'm willing to see where this goes - again, sorry for the hassle.

Posted by: kryogenix May 7 2008, 01:56 AM

I'd like the apology from March Hare, actually.

Posted by: Tungster May 7 2008, 02:04 AM

lmao

Posted by: The-March-Hare May 7 2008, 05:13 AM

If you want an apology, tough. You aren't getting one, and that's the end of the matter from my point of view. I acted completely within my authority.

'I consider the images you have been posting to be unsuitable. As you have been warned for similar instances in the past, I am disabling your posts indefinitely as a preventative measure, pending discussion as to a suitable punishment. Someone will contact you as soon as a decision has been reached.

Thank you.'

That was the PM which I sent to you, and Dani has now replied; a decision having been reached. The matter has been resolved.

Oh, btw, though, for future reference, you might have stood a chance at an apology had you replied other than 'suck my dick, f****t,' and then not proceeded to make a spectacle of yourself, but that is your call.

Posted by: ersatz May 7 2008, 07:18 AM

But you can't just do that all the time, haha. If someone does something that really isn't wrong but you just think they shouldn't be doing it, you can't just throw them in jail and say, "Well, whenever the judge gets around to it, he'll determine whether you should be here or not, but until then, this is your punishment." Get a second opinion while you are handing out the punishment if it's the grey area, not after he's been punished for quite some time.

Posted by: kryogenix May 7 2008, 08:09 AM

YA KNOW THE NAZIS USED TO THROW PEOPLE IN JAIL FOR BEING JEWS, WARNED PEOPLE AGAINST BEING JEWS IN THE PAST AND THEY ACTED COMPLETELY WITHIN THEIR AUTHORITY.

See, this is what I'm talking about. Yeah, it's within your authority to suspend and people and close topics. But that doesn't make it right, officer penis hands.

Acting on precedent? Maybe I've been warned for this stuff before... but guess what. I argued successfully with the mod staff, and they admitted they were wrong to do so. If someone didn't delete the boards, you'd be able to see that in my warn logs. I've posted poop before, other people have posted poop before, and it was completely fine. Suck on that.

YOU WERE WRONG. YOU COULDN'T NAME WHAT RULE THOSE IMAGES BROKE. WAY TO BE A POWERTRIPPING NAZI, NAZI.

Posted by: misoshiru May 7 2008, 09:09 AM

seriously? i didn't find the images offensive. a bit shocking perhaps when they loaded. but i don't feel that they violate any part of the rules on cb. so instead, if you really do find it offensive, then just take out the image tags and leave them as links.

Posted by: Elba May 7 2008, 10:52 AM

Wow, I just got a whiff of Trish from Jame's post.

Posted by: misoshiru May 7 2008, 10:59 AM

u2me2

Posted by: paperplane May 7 2008, 01:12 PM

lol

Honestly, James, that post did sound an awful lot like Trish.
PS, when are you going to be home??!?

Posted by: SirNinja May 9 2008, 07:20 PM

Tung for admin.

Posted by: Tungster May 9 2008, 09:27 PM

O_o Wai me?

Posted by: kryogenix May 10 2008, 07:17 PM

You guys aren't off the hook yet. You've got until 2:30 EST on Monday.

Posted by: SkyliteX May 10 2008, 08:12 PM

I want to say kudos to highway4355

Posted by: SkyliteX May 10 2008, 08:27 PM

lol:]

Posted by: SkyliteX May 10 2008, 08:52 PM

for being like the only one on design staff whose actually accepting and rejecting layouts, the other design staff seem to be almost non existent in other words kudos for doing your job:] lol its okay people always cry over their first rejections like I did, lol :]

Posted by: SkyliteX May 10 2008, 10:22 PM

lol,:] anyway I think your doing an awesome job:]

Posted by: kryogenix May 11 2008, 01:02 PM

Synthesia, you're going to f**king get it. f**k you for deleting my post. It took me forever to type out that story, and you delete the entire f**king thing because there were one or two things THAT ARE DISCUSSED IN THE f**kING LOCKER ROOMS ANYWAY? You couldn't delete just the parts that were no good? What a shitty mod, f**k you and die in a f**king fire.

Posted by: Spencer May 11 2008, 08:38 PM

Attitude should be addressed, especially in the case of Ruth.

Posted by: Elba May 11 2008, 08:40 PM

Where is Diana? Even Trish, who "quit" cB has signed on more recently than her.

Posted by: Synesthesia May 11 2008, 09:08 PM

Her brother got jumped, so she's been taking care of him. She would have posted it in the absent thread, but it got pushed back after Jusun unpinned it. She did post Backstage though, so I'll quote her post:

Posted by: karmakiller May 11 2008, 09:12 PM

Diana made a topic in the Lounge also. She didn't specify how long she would be gone, though.

Posted by: kryogenix May 11 2008, 11:32 PM

Synthesia you f**king dumb c**t put my f**king post back or I'm gonna iron your tires.

Posted by: TiffanyFactorial May 11 2008, 11:41 PM

in the past 4 days i've been active in the forums on cb, i've only seen so much anger from this person. and they also got ignored like maybe 3 or 4 times in another forum that they were posting in but i'm pretty sure it was strategic. although i think you (as moderators) should answer people's questions, regardless of how absurd they may be.

but i have to say, she does make a point. if there was something in her post that was inappropriate, you should have just edited that part out and not delete the entire thread unless you're about to ban her or something.

Posted by: heartquasm May 11 2008, 11:48 PM

lol. kryo's a "he."

Posted by: kryogenix May 11 2008, 11:51 PM

Yep, most of the time, kryo is a he.

Posted by: TiffanyFactorial May 11 2008, 11:56 PM

haha my bad, his profile picture threw me off.

Posted by: Elba May 13 2008, 12:45 AM

DoubleJ has been doing a wonderful job. He's chill, very active and he was taking care of getting rid of the nudes last night. Although, we couldn't figure out if that was really Alicia Keys, the lead singer of The Pussy Cat Dolls or someone else.

Posted by: heartquasm May 13 2008, 12:49 AM

^ I agree. I think he's a really nice, personable guy who's pretty chill on the forums as an active member and he does his job modding without coming off as an a-hole.

Posted by: GunsNRachel May 13 2008, 05:07 AM

I'll be blunt.

I submitted a layout, and it got rejected. Fair enough. I go back to read the message it says " ". Nothing. I respond to the moderator about there not being a reason, and I never get a response. Wow, maybe I'm crazy but I thought we were supposed to get reasons for layouts being rejected, or at least something in the pm? And I also thought moderators were supposed to be helpful, and respond to our pms?

Posted by: Teesa May 13 2008, 11:37 AM

^do you remember which moderator exactly? they usually give a reason as to why something was rejected.

Posted by: GunsNRachel May 13 2008, 01:49 PM

Yes, it was KarmaKiller

Posted by: heartquasm May 13 2008, 02:05 PM

Hm, when did you PM her? Maybe she just hasn't been online since then. PM another mod and ask him or her to look into it for you.

Posted by: GunsNRachel May 13 2008, 02:14 PM

It was 2 days ago. I think I should give him/her a little bit longer to respond before talking to another moderator.

And I'm sorry that my original post sounded a bit bitchy. I'm sure you guys know how it is to be pissed about something at 6:00 in the morning

Posted by: IVIike May 14 2008, 02:49 PM

Awesome job with the new layout pages... they are so much more organized I'm assuming it was Ju-Sun but I figured this was the best place to post it

Posted by: DoubleJ May 14 2008, 02:52 PM

I still think it was Nicole lol!


Thanks guys! Much Appreciated.

Posted by: kryogenix May 14 2008, 08:15 PM

Hey Hey Hey, DoubleJ is the f**king man, unlike the f**king powertripping sex dolphins that populate the mod staff.

Posted by: karmakiller May 17 2008, 08:15 PM

Are you sure you PMed me, I looked through my inbox and didn't see one from you. Do you remember the title of your layout? Because I can go through and find it and I will PM you about it. I'm sorry that you haven't been given a reason.

Posted by: karmakiller May 17 2008, 08:23 PM

I think I found the one you were talking about. PM sent

Posted by: brooklyneast05 May 17 2008, 10:38 PM

have i been a good boy long enough that my warning level can be reduced? i'm tired of looking at it.

Posted by: Insurmountable May 17 2008, 10:40 PM

Uhm yea, of course.

Posted by: brooklyneast05 May 17 2008, 10:42 PM

holly is performing very well i must say.

Posted by: Dominatrix May 20 2008, 12:53 PM

Sorry been busy moving that jackass out of what he calls the "hood" but its not.Its a f**king mexican ridden suburb.

Im here though.

Posted by: superstitious May 20 2008, 06:42 PM

I think that Thomas is doing a standout job in the Resource Forums and with the queue. Actually, the queue has been looking fantastic, all the DS are really pitching in, so thanks to you all. =)

Posted by: ersatz May 21 2008, 10:38 PM

Glad to see you back Diana!

P.S. Been wondering, and debating, because I obviously don't have the opportunity to watch as much as I should, is that the Doc right there?

Posted by: gigiopolis May 22 2008, 12:23 AM

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=202486&hl=

^ Tell me, is this not unacceptable?

Ten and a half hours now, and no one else has seen it. Usually I'd let it go but manny-the-dino, Design Staffer, clearly has seen it and has passively let it go. The topic's location/repost is not a huge deal, but the way the situation has been dealt with is unacceptable.

Posted by: doiink May 22 2008, 12:38 AM

no one has pmed me about it...?! well anyhow I'm going to try and go find the other version and merge 'em

Posted by: gigiopolis May 22 2008, 12:41 AM

I understand that. The problem here is not with the merging of the topics or the resolving of one specific, trivial problem. It is representative of how things are handled around here.

You can't hold her responsible for lack of people staff activity, of course, but that wasn't even the point I was getting at. The point is that she saw the topic, read the posts, realized there was a mistake, and said "hopefully someone on PS will see this ". To me, that is not acceptable. It's not that she never saw the problem and wasn't able to address it, it was that she saw the problem and didn't do a single thing about it. I could care less if a topic on ANTM was fixed. It's how it was handled (or rather, how it was not).

Posted by: doiink May 22 2008, 12:47 AM

yeah which is why I was surprised that I STILL hadn't gotten a single PM about the subject. I'd think that after you brought it up, I'd at least get a PM from manny if not thomas, but I agree that the passive stance the staff is taking needs to change

Posted by: doiink May 22 2008, 12:58 AM

LOL WTF? how does our lack of acquaintanceship have anything to do with anything? what's the point of even having a staff if something as trivial as "oh I dont know you" will get in the way of having a conducive environment?


and if you were going to PM someone, you might as well have pmed the entire PS staff, not just one person in hopes of them seeing it.

the math: the chances of 4 people checking their emails/PMs is much larger than the chance of 1 person doing the same. of course this is without the activity factor, but if so unsure, just PM the entire staff.

Posted by: doiink May 22 2008, 01:08 AM

wait which question are you answering?

Posted by: Insurmountable May 22 2008, 01:10 AM

Gigi, I'm really sorry that this hasn't been fixed and considering that its 6 hours later.

I moved it to movies/tv. Again, I'm sorry that no one saw it sooner, sometimes we just overlook things.

Personally I come on every while and now, but I've been on the mango-butter name because I've been doing the queue trainings today and will be tomorrow.

Posted by: Tungster May 22 2008, 02:28 AM

It's obvious 2/3 of the staff suddenly disappeared like Ray Allen in the 2008 Nba Playoffs.

Betty is cool people.

Posted by: superstitious May 22 2008, 03:42 AM

I didn't see it either and I was all over the place last night, trying to post in different areas. :[ I agree that if a staff member sees something, it should be communicated instead of left alone.

People Staff - There have been a few that have posted in the Backstage absent thread regarding the lack of availability last week through this week (and next, I believe). Things like prom, exams, ect. The Absent thread that was in the Lounge was unpinned (it was considered unnecessary, I guess).

I have asked that people indicate if/when they are out in their signatures from now on.

I have been lenient about activity lately since school is wrapping up and I know that it typically gets hectic around this time.

Posted by: paperplane May 22 2008, 07:18 AM

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=202757&st=0&#entry2942822

This topic was initially in debate. Eventually moved to music (which is a good thing), but not before being moved to relationships, where regardless of what Thomas thinks, it does not belong.

Posted by: TiffanyFactorial May 23 2008, 07:12 PM

Design staff needs to get on it. there are over 115 graphics that need to be accepted/rejected.

Posted by: Tungster May 23 2008, 07:15 PM

over 120*

Posted by: TiffanyFactorial May 23 2008, 07:16 PM

wahaha too sad. they just keep piling up. last time i checked which was abouttt an hour ago it was 115. wow SOMEONE GET ON IT!

Posted by: Insurmountable May 23 2008, 08:51 PM

People can go through the queue now, since the new staff hasn't gone through proper training, I've made a guide and anyone thats new has to read it and then they have to talk to me so they can go through their accepted items and reject anything that shouldn't have been accepted.

We kept the queue to pile up so we could use some of the stuff during the training, things will start to get better.


And also as Thomas said, we need the design team all on the same page with standards.

Posted by: TiffanyFactorial May 23 2008, 09:05 PM

alright you guys better not be on two separate pages. cb standards being raised way too high may offer the best graphics or whatever on this website but it will also discourage many from submitting.

i've had stuff rejected before and it kind of discouraged me to submit about 90% of my icons and graphics but that's alright, cb kind of ruins the quality of my icons so i just keep it on my website.

but it would be really nice if you guys could work on better rejection letters like, "i'm sorry to inform you that your graphic has been rejected. your graphic may not exactly uphold to cb's standards. your graphic in general.......(then explain what's wrong with it)"

you know? instead of just saying one line replies such as, "it's just cropped."

Posted by: TiffanyFactorial May 23 2008, 09:44 PM

well i dont take this personally or anything. i always just PM some one else for their opinion.

well no kidding they mean the same thing. but it's kind of like the difference between being an a-hole and being helpful.

example:
your graphic is a POS because it's too blurry.

vs

i'm not a huge fan of your graphic, it's really blurry. you might want to change the type of file you're using.

or simply

Your dress is really effin' ugly.

vs

I don't think your dress is really flattering, it's taking away from your beauty.


new members or old, short blunt messages discourage many who submit creations. even some get discouraged from the discussion board from rude/mean/unwelcoming moderators.

Posted by: Mango-Butter May 23 2008, 09:51 PM

Christy (highway), Thomas and I have just cleaned out the queue. Were still working on some things, but it should be cleaned out for the most part.

I'm sorry for any problems this could have caused.

Anyway to inform you guys, so you understand. The new people to the queue are going through a training. This will show them what standards we are going by and I've been showing them examples as well. Also I made a guide backstage, and also part of the training I'm helping them rejection letters too. I know its really dissapointing to wait for a notice on a graphic or layout on to see a one liner thrown in the rejection letter. Please do keep in mind sometimes we just don't have the time to write a essay for a rejection letter (exaggeration) and we just write the main concern to the graphic or layout. If you do ever get one of these and you really want a better answer, just simply PM us back. I've never taken it offensively for someone to ask me for a bigger comment as to why their work was rejected, I'll even apologize for only giving you a sentence in the first place.



EDIT : haha, people are being that blunt in the rejection letters? I've never seen that, I mean in the past. I don't mean to mention names, but I know Trish could be rude sometimes in rejection letters. But the new staff? I'd be surprised to see anything like that xD

Posted by: TiffanyFactorial May 23 2008, 10:02 PM

i'm not asking for you guys to write an exaggerated essay, it'd be nice to send people maybe a general letter. you know? copy & paste, change their user name and all that.

Posted by: Mango-Butter May 23 2008, 10:04 PM

Oh yea, thats what people should do.

Lol I meant that I was exaggerating by saying it was a essay. Just a short paragraph is probably nice. I do know some people do keep rejection letters for different reasons and just save them so all they have to do is copy and paste, its a great idea.

Posted by: danceeNAKED May 23 2008, 10:04 PM

wow, i just looked at the "new" moderating team and damn.
alot of people left....






alot of people.

Posted by: Mango-Butter May 23 2008, 10:16 PM

I'm happy


XD

god, I'm switching to my normal account now.

Posted by: karmakiller May 23 2008, 11:07 PM

Happy that people are sad?

Posted by: Insurmountable May 23 2008, 11:08 PM

lmao no, I'm in general happy and I'm happy with everyone thats on staff now.

Posted by: karmakiller May 23 2008, 11:14 PM

I think everyone's doing great, too. My normal CB times have been changing. But it seems like there's almost always another staff member online.

Posted by: RockItStudios May 24 2008, 11:14 AM

mods are slacking, IMO, with the closing and moving of threads. =/

Posted by: The-March-Hare May 25 2008, 01:22 PM

Have you noticed this in any forums in particular? Because some (especially subforums) get overlooked on occasion, and if you let us know of any particularly troublesome places, we can spare them some extra attention = )

Posted by: RockItStudios May 25 2008, 04:09 PM

i'm not trying to make a big deal or anything, but there's just been some things that make me go "wtf", you know? like, that definitely shouldn't have been looked over.
but anyways, trying not to ramble. i'll edit when i remember/stumble upon things, but most of the stuff that's bothered me have been taken care of.
oh, also, i guess i shouldn't say slacking a bit on the moving, 'cause that seems okish, i guess the time i posted there were a lot of misplaced things. but it's really the closing of topics that bother me, although i know that's not really a big deal...

[edit]
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=202956&hl=
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=202933&hl=

Posted by: doiink May 25 2008, 04:49 PM

first we close too much and then we don't close enough

what happened with the second topic you posted tung? OMG I THOUGHT IT WAS TUNG WITH ALL THE PEDOBEARS LOLOL

Posted by: libertie May 25 2008, 06:47 PM

^I did too. XD

All I can really say about that is that it's inevitable for us to miss things simply because we can't see every single topic. For that I apologize and can only suggest that you PM someone or use the report feature. :3

Posted by: The-March-Hare May 26 2008, 12:28 AM

^Absolutely. The report feature will send a notifiaction to everyone with moderating abilities in that forum, so if you notice an individual thread, that is really the best way of dealing with it, because it maximises the chance of said topic being noticed.

Posted by: fazzyfaye May 26 2008, 10:07 AM

The standards are being raised way too high in my opinion. I think that its a bit competitive now.
Thing is, lots of people, especially those who dont understand graphic making, and dont give an damn about quality, dont care about standards. They just want something cute. And to be quite honest, if standards are being raised, then how come an icon like mine, can be rejected, when an icon that says "Hello, my name is.. SCREW YOU" which is so blatently a jocked template edited in paint and is out of focus.. is kept and not removed like half my stuff was in the clearout (and now!)

I faze in and out of CB. Because I get put off submitting, and then when I think im better, I come back and get put off again. Its hard to keep up! Like Tiffany, I just stick to my site to display them.

Posted by: brooklyneast05 May 26 2008, 10:40 AM

shitty quality isn't cute. if standards aren't important then why not go to the tons of other sites that have no standards and accept anything?

i duno, it's a design site so i don't think it really matters if people who don't give a damn about graphic making don't care about quality. those people aren't really important in my opinion, because they aren't the kind of people cb should care about targeting. we want people with standards to come here.

Posted by: Synesthesia May 26 2008, 10:44 AM

Do you want those topics to be moved or closed? If it's the latter, I don't see why. The posters asked legitimate questions. Just because the topics haven't been replied to within the first day of being posted doesn't mean they should be closed.

Posted by: fazzyfaye May 26 2008, 11:14 AM

Im not saying having high standards are bad.. just that rejecting things because of an unobvious problem is a bit too strict? I mean.. one of my icons was accepted the other day.. and today I got a message saying it was rejected because it was really blurry. Yes, its not the best icon ive ever made.. but if it was that bad.. then why accept it in the first place. It obviously wasnt noticable if she didnt see it in the first place right? I dont know if I was missing something either, or if my eyesight is worse, but it isnt noticably blurry either.. http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk91/vintaged-/icons/115.png

Im not saying that the people who dont have high enough standards or know nothing are not important, because thats what we are all here for.. we provide graphics for peoples use right? And its true that people who use others graphics and layouts, generally use them because they dont know enough to make a myspace layout or whatever themselves right? So if they know nothing.. and all they want is a good quality layout site.. peoples graphics dont need to be rejected for some ridiculous, unobvious problem, that the user of the graphic/layout whatever, probably wont even notice, because they dont know much... Get my drift?



I dont get why they need to be moved or closed either. :|

Posted by: RockItStudios May 26 2008, 11:20 AM

oh, no, not closed! i just don't think the first one belongs in showcase, but i think the second one does, since the second one is basically asking an opinion, not how to do something. like i said, i'm not going to make a big deal. :]

Posted by: Synesthesia May 26 2008, 11:58 AM

Oh, okay then. Sorry, you just didn't make it clear in your original reply. I see what you mean about the second one, so I'll move it to the Showcase Booth.

Posted by: Tungster May 27 2008, 12:08 AM

Someone like to fill me in on what's going on. I'm confused. What do I have to do anything with this?

Posted by: manny-the-dino May 27 2008, 12:19 AM

^well since she saw RockItStudio's sig had bears in it, she automatically assumed it was you. which i though as well.

Posted by: Dominatrix May 27 2008, 12:02 PM

Oh yes it is.

Posted by: RockItStudios May 27 2008, 12:30 PM

<spam>
but my bears are different! and i don't have as many...AND they're not creepy. plus, when the heck would Tung EVER put anything Twilight-related in his siggy? :]
</spam>

Posted by: manny-the-dino May 27 2008, 01:01 PM

^LOL yeah i know.
ask doiink

Posted by: Tungster May 27 2008, 11:57 PM

^ Her name is Betty kthxdie.


Shouldn't a mod know better not to post spam? I guess I expected too much from staff to not follow rules they make us follow.
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=203073&st=0&gopid=2946080&#entry2946080

Posted by: Elba May 28 2008, 12:03 AM

I think mods should be above a certain intelligence level and a certain attractiveness level. Just saying.

Posted by: XTC May 28 2008, 12:06 AM

^ I agree.

They should also not use useless acronyms, such as "Lol" and "ROFL." That automatically decreases your intelligence.

Posted by: Elba May 28 2008, 12:10 AM

I think mods should stick to modding their own forums instead of trying to tell people what to do in places where they have no business to do so.

Posted by: doiink May 28 2008, 12:20 AM

STFU, AND GTFO.



BTW, speaking of "intelligence" I think you may want to stick to using the same pronouns. First "they" then "you" ???

I R 2 STUPIDZ 2 FAULOW :(

Posted by: Elba May 28 2008, 12:22 AM

OMGWTFBBQ

Posted by: Tungster May 28 2008, 12:23 AM

xtc got owned...

Posted by: karmakiller May 28 2008, 12:26 AM

Posted by: Spencer May 28 2008, 02:27 PM

OH SHIT!

*waits for a pathetic XTC excuse*

Posted by: heartquasm May 28 2008, 04:31 PM

^ you and rhino = tricky.

Posted by: fatty-the-rhino May 28 2008, 04:32 PM

Sorry to rain on your parade, Melissa, but this topic is to post moderator's performance only.

Posted by: Elba May 28 2008, 04:32 PM

I did it so no one can take the username, and then she can have it back when 6 months is up.

No, maybe it WAS for the confusion.

Posted by: heartquasm May 28 2008, 04:34 PM

oh, sorry.

mods suck.

YOU AND SPENCER AND ELBA AND RHINO AND WHAT WHAT WHAT?

Posted by: Elba May 28 2008, 04:34 PM

Que?

Posted by: Spencer May 28 2008, 04:35 PM

Huh?

Posted by: fatty-the-rhino May 28 2008, 04:38 PM

lulz

Posted by: heartquasm May 28 2008, 04:47 PM

stopspammingbitches

Posted by: Tungster May 28 2008, 09:27 PM

o..uh huh...trying to modd a place wurr she dun'tt control...leave dat too people stafff...

o...so it ok 2 spam the lounge ey...? k..moi got it...

Posted by: PrIncEoFSeXaPpeAL May 28 2008, 09:33 PM

leaveee hurr aloneee yo..

Posted by: Tungster May 28 2008, 09:34 PM

Posted by: PrIncEoFSeXaPpeAL May 28 2008, 09:35 PM

nahh.. foo reeell.. shee kool.. mee justt playinn withh hurr..

Posted by: The-March-Hare May 28 2008, 09:39 PM

Tung, Prince, cut the spamming, now.

Posted by: PrIncEoFSeXaPpeAL May 28 2008, 09:40 PM

alll da moddd alll duu duu goodd jobbb.. so itt alll goodd..

OOHH SNAPP... da champp hurr.. DAA CHAMPP HUR...

Posted by: Tungster May 28 2008, 09:41 PM

o..white britainn boy winaaa stepp his foott in dis .... 2 bad moi can't hear wut he has 2 say wit his emoo blonddee hairr covering his face...

Posted by: PrIncEoFSeXaPpeAL May 28 2008, 09:46 PM

EY jamee.. jamee rite...

wat u thinkk boutt da moddzz huh.. dizz aintt spamm kidd.. mee winnaa no watt u say boutt da modzz hurr..

uhh.. jamee... wurr u goo...

Posted by: fatty-the-rhino May 28 2008, 09:56 PM

Natalia is telling people we can spam in the Lounge? Someone needs to tell her to shut up. Obviously, we're not allowed to spam in there

Posted by: PrIncEoFSeXaPpeAL May 28 2008, 09:57 PM

jamee loggg inn n outt..

butt yee.. moddz alll duu duu goodd jobb..

Posted by: manny-the-dino May 28 2008, 10:08 PM

tung, honestly, you are acting immature. you are older than me yet i don't act like that. and you applied for a position on staff, correct? you should be setting a good example to everyone else, imo. just please stop.

Posted by: Tungster May 28 2008, 10:10 PM

^ Yeah, and I didn't get on staff lol. So no..I don't need to set an example. If anything, you should since YOU are on staff.

Besides my complaints are legit.