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Posted by: Kathleen Jul 21 2004, 08:24 PM

What would you say would be the most overrated movie ever?

Posted by: xquizit Jul 21 2004, 08:29 PM

Titanic. <- blah. boring and long.
The Excorcist <- not scary or that entertaining
Blair Witch Project <- wtf, i could have made that movie in my back yard. it wasn't even entertaining.

Posted by: DavidxN Jul 21 2004, 08:30 PM

Im gonna be hated on in the next few posts but....pirates of the carribean

Posted by: Gribbie Jul 21 2004, 08:32 PM

Titanic.

Posted by: xsweetdreams12x Jul 21 2004, 08:43 PM

Blair Witch Project -- It was so boring. I agree with xquizit. ANYBODY could have made it.

Posted by: Kathleen Jul 21 2004, 08:50 PM

You can't mean that, can you? How could you say that about one of my future husband's movies?

Posted by: sadolakced acid Jul 21 2004, 09:03 PM

pirates is good. overhyped? never.

well, how bout... king arthur.

Posted by: maia_dc Jul 21 2004, 09:03 PM

THE GRINCH.
Man, that sucked. It wasn't even funny.
At all.
But it WAS stupid. =]

Posted by: MyVermilionPlague Jul 21 2004, 10:11 PM

Hmm.

LORD OF THE RINGS.

I hate those movies.

Posted by: CEP Jul 21 2004, 10:16 PM

The Ring. <-- Wasnt scary.
Ringu <-- I've seen scarrier episodes of Invader Zim.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

Posted by: DavidxN Jul 21 2004, 10:23 PM

Johnny Depp is cool and all but i didn't really like the movie, although everyone i know loves it

Posted by: ryfitaDF Jul 21 2004, 10:47 PM

hmmmm...

lord of the rings
harry potter
the excorsist (great movie but funnier than scary)
lord of the rings
the ring
finding nemo
spiderman
and this 9 hour piece of crap called lord of the rigns

Posted by: black_cloud10 Jul 21 2004, 10:51 PM

remember all the hype Serving Sara got?? that movie sucked!

Posted by: Spirited Away Jul 21 2004, 11:38 PM

I... don't like spider man the movie 2 and I... scoffed at titanic. People have called me insensitive for disliking Titanic, but eh, it was a boring movie to me.

Posted by: DrEaMgUy2K1 Jul 21 2004, 11:57 PM

the hulk

Posted by: bright eyes Jul 21 2004, 11:59 PM

im gonna have to go with the majority of the crowd and say titanic. i still don't understand what is so great about it.

Posted by: PENtheINSTRUMENT Jul 22 2004, 12:00 AM

Spiderman, Matrix (YES ALL OF 'EM), Titanic, Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Independence Day, and hundreds of other movies but I can't think of any right now

I think the Ring was hot whether or not it was scary though

Posted by: xBitterxSweetx Jul 22 2004, 12:04 AM

the ring- not scary
titanic-ZZzzzz

Posted by: lozerface87 Jul 22 2004, 12:07 AM

i love lotr and potc...heehee im such a loser



and i think rosemarys baby-sooo NOT scary

Posted by: IIO__oII Jul 22 2004, 12:12 AM

hummm..
POTC was kinda dorky. haha. x]
well, compared to all the other movies that he's done....



i think LOTR is WAYYYYYYY OVERRATEDD....

Posted by: SupraS15 Jul 22 2004, 12:26 AM

I'd say the Matrix... only the first one was good... they should have just stopped and left us hanging rather than make the last 2 sucky ones.

Posted by: DisneyPrincessKate Jul 22 2004, 02:03 AM

The Harry Potter movies and The Secret Window. Secret window was really lame. The Harry Potter movies are long and lame, I couldn't get into the books either.

Posted by: Jiggapin0 Jul 22 2004, 02:17 AM

The Lord of the Rings movies, nuff said.

Posted by: Kathleen Jul 23 2006, 03:35 AM

I can't believe Lord of the Rings was mentioned in this topic. If Star Wars was mentioned, I probably would've had to hurt someone.

Posted by: Spiritual Winged Aura Jul 23 2006, 03:36 AM

harry potter.

Posted by: Kathleen Jul 23 2006, 03:38 AM

Why? Do you find the books overrated, too?

Posted by: Acid Bath Slayer Jul 23 2006, 01:56 PM

[Please refer yourself http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=13839&view=findpost&p=2150040 as nearly all the films on that list are grossly overrated. So overrated that they will even be featured in this post.]

Hmmm. Overrated film, this is a commodity. However, most overrated? Hmmm, let's see.

1. Crash. (2006). This god awful mess of a film I feel earns a special recognition in the massive collection of overrated films. It is due this service for it has tricked nearly everyone into believing it is an exceptional and intelligent social commentary, even winning the Academy Award for best picture. Quite possibly the lowest point in Academy history, just below Titanic.
2. Titanic. f**k.
3. Lord of the Rings. Worthless attempt at an epic trilogy. A huge disapointment from the infamous director of Dead Alive and Bad Taste.
4. Star Wars. Overrated as an original trilogy, but never to a disgusting degree. With the presence of the new trilogy, which was a heaping pile of shit, it has moved its way into the ranks of the most overrated. Even thinking that the new trilogy is "ok" is a gross misrepresentation of how actually awful these new movies are.
5. Passion of the Christ. If faith can make you believe unbelievable things despite logical deliberation or rational exploration, then the same love for bullshit and comfortability could make you like a snuff film that's shot like a porn, right?
6. Saw. If this is the new wave of horror, I'm sorry I'm a horror fan. This is a disgrace to a history of successful cinema. A logical mess, an aesthetic masturbation of bullshit, and a technical failure at large, Saw sucks.
7. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Could we all just say that Tim Burton is overrated in general? Seeing as this is his worst film (just over Planet of the Apes), it is by far his most overrated. A hunk of shit. The worst movie I have ever seen in theaters, keeping in mind, of course, that I saw Mortal Kombat 2 in theaters.
8. Elephant. No one should ever even pretend to like this movie. No.
9. Kids. Larry Clark is a f**k ass.
10. Fight Club, Pulp Fiction, Godfather, Donnie Darko. We get it. You guys make nearly every f**king public poll of best films ever made. You made it for a reason, you guys aren't terrible movies. In fact, I really like some of you. But, f**king jesus the jew on a crucifix, there is way better stuff out there. Maybe it isn't that you are being overrated. Maybe you guys just aren't being compared to anything of honest value. Shit.

Someone mentioned The Blair Witch Project in this thread? Hmmm. Whoa, I couldn't disagree more. Everyone hates that movie. If you want to list overrated movies, a requirement should be, at least, that a lot of people express their love for that particular piece. In all honesty, I think that The Blair Witch Project is quite possibly the most underrated movie of all time.

Posted by: Freaky Krazer Jul 23 2006, 02:05 PM

Napoleon Dynamite...
Harry Potter (except the 1st)
Batman Begins... I did NOT like it

Posted by: Arjuna Capulong Jul 23 2006, 02:12 PM

The Ring, The Ring 2, and The Grudge just aren't scary at all.

Posted by: n_Oodles Jul 23 2006, 07:45 PM

Napoleon Dynamite

Posted by: `SWTWiNKLE3YES Jul 23 2006, 08:49 PM

napolean dynamite.

Posted by: smallsXalmighty Jul 23 2006, 09:07 PM

^agreed

Posted by: baby_in_blue Jul 24 2006, 11:25 PM

haha, foreal tho.

i`d have to say

harry potter.

the books are a trillion times better.

Posted by: tbabbyx3 Jul 25 2006, 01:12 AM

harry potter.
but i still love it :)

Posted by: baby_in_blue Jul 25 2006, 01:36 AM

^haha.

i must disagree.

Posted by: ichigofan Jul 25 2006, 11:05 AM

The MAtrix [all 3 of them] Clerks 2.. it doesnt seem that funny

Posted by: pink_is_love Jul 25 2006, 01:37 PM

napoleon dynamite. piece. of. crap.

Posted by: BrokenDream Jul 25 2006, 01:39 PM

Lord of the Rings movies .

Any movies that has Hilary Duff in it are lame and stupid.

napolean dynamite was stupid.

Star Wars is crap.

Posted by: Acid Bath Slayer Jul 25 2006, 03:27 PM

Sure, you can disagree all you want. But, why?
The old trilogy was an epic of technological advancements in film. For that reason, and near that reason alone, it became quite the phenomena. The plot was unoriginal, and covered little ground. Characters were enjoyable, but were hurt by a lack of development, bad direction, no real performances, and some terrible written dialouge. To say the least, it was cheesy. And, for being an Action/Adventure Sci-fi epic, it never really thrilled me. In fact, I always prefered the comedic side of the trilogy. Still Harrison Ford is the only thing I will revisit the original trilogy for. That's it. Han Solo is a bad ass.

I would say that the original trilogy is way overrated. But, that's because it has a certain charm to it. It isn't really that fantastic of a film, but even I would overrate it. I would give it higher marks just because of its enormous cult status and charm. However, I would never pay the same respects to the shit box of aborted fetuses that was the new trilogy.

These new films were a disgusting mess. Totally lacking in the charm that was present in the original trilogy. Worse characters, worse direction, over acting. I felt ill leaving the theater they were so bad. But, people still praised them. Left, right, up, and down. The problem is, we aren't playing the same game here. When the original trilogy was made it was a huge step forward in technological advancements. The effects were awe inspiting in 1977. It amazed audiences all around the world. It was also a lower budget, per-hollywood-god production. The new trilogy losses the charm, and does worse what the original could barely do in the realm of sophisticated story telling. The film is pedestrian and simple, because of this it can reach a wide audience. That's why it is such a successful franchise, and also why it is such an overrated series of films.

But, as I had said before, if it wasn't for the new trilogy, Star Wars would have never made this list. So, thank George Lucas for being a money grabbing little-talent douche bag.

Posted by: JULiANAMON. Jul 25 2006, 03:35 PM

napolean dynamite.

Posted by: baby_in_blue Jul 25 2006, 06:16 PM

haha; ok.

Posted by: Acid Bath Slayer Jul 26 2006, 04:55 PM

Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft.

Posted by: oX_Muh_Nirvana_Xo Jul 26 2006, 05:05 PM

The ring 2

I hated it.. Blah

Posted by: hardxcoreL0VER Jul 26 2006, 05:24 PM

napolean dynamite.

Posted by: xlilaznchickx Jul 26 2006, 05:51 PM

star wars
clerks II

Posted by: smallsXalmighty Jul 26 2006, 05:51 PM

all of the harry potters

Posted by: icy_wonderland Jul 26 2006, 09:26 PM

Napoleon Dynamite
I dont even find it funny at all, plus I fell asleep

Posted by: x___F0RG0TTEN Jul 26 2006, 09:37 PM

yah i would probably say Napoleon Dynamite. i mean there were a few really funny parts.. but overall, it wasn't all that great.

Posted by: My Cinderella. Jul 26 2006, 10:45 PM

Napolian Dynamite.
(sp?)

Posted by: baby_in_blue Jul 26 2006, 10:46 PM

yeah napoleon dynamite, even though it was stupidly funny.

Posted by: Weird addiction Jul 27 2006, 07:47 AM

Pirates of the Carribean.

Posted by: cvchango Jul 27 2006, 08:13 AM

star warsss
monty python

Posted by: Kathleen Jul 28 2006, 01:41 PM

I just remembered this: Wedding Crashers. I'm sorry, but I didn't laugh one SINGLE time that entire movie.

Posted by: dispn0ygonekrazy Jul 28 2006, 01:49 PM

Overrated Movie....hmmm maybe..... I dont know....Titanic...yeah...3-4 hours of uhhm one dude whose gonna die eventually lol...Star Wars 3 probably... I didnt even watch through the whole thing...lost its touch..lol

Posted by: ROARxD Jul 28 2006, 03:24 PM

If anyone were to say Star wars, they recieve a beat down from me.

Edit-- omgomgomg. dispn0ygonekrazy&cvchango . get ready for a beatdown!
nah im jp

Posted by: lalalaLANUH Jul 28 2006, 03:36 PM

Titanic, Napoleon Dynamite, Lord of the Rings (liked the books better), Harry Potter (liked the books better)

Posted by: iRock cB Jul 28 2006, 03:37 PM

I couldn't agree more haha. It's a classic. I guess it doesn't appeal to the short attention span of todays teens. And the fact that you actually have to THINK to understand and put it all together. It's a brilliant trilogy.

I know it's been mentioned, but Titanic was so ridiculous. Ok, I liked the movie but it isn't OMFG LIKE THebEsT mOvIe EVAR!!!!!1!3 People went insane over that movie when it was in theatres.

Posted by: mznikki Jul 28 2006, 03:42 PM

agreed. & same with serving sara.

Posted by: baby_in_blue Jul 28 2006, 03:43 PM

couldnt agree with you more

Posted by: Kristinaa Jul 28 2006, 03:51 PM

Somebody seriously posted Lord of the Rings?

Wow. Attention spans reeeaaalllyyyy are shrinking these days.

Posted by: Acid Bath Slayer Jul 30 2006, 07:12 AM

I just had to. I like to see the rant again.




Lord of the Rings...? A classic? Are you out of your f**king mind. It's hollywood bullshit. Far far far from a classic, my friend. It hasn't even been given the test of time yet. To call it a classic, either way, is still premature. Not to mention, I have a huge attention span. I watch, and enjoy, plently of true classic epics (We're talking David Lean circa 1960's). I have a deep love within me for many a slow-burning horror film. Attention is not an issue. But, in all honesty, there isn't anything really to pay attention to in this trilogy, let alone anything worth attention.

Also, I can't really recall any amount of serious brain work for this one. In fact, it's a pretty uniform dumb-downed-big-time-hollywood-super-pedestrian-work. It has very little depth. It works in very defined moral lines. Its characters are amazingly under developed (almost to an insulting degree) for such a long trilogy. The special effects are bombastic. In all honesty, the film has little to nothing to offer. It appeals to simpletons, and that is why so many people adore it. That is why it is highly reguarded, and for near the same reasons that Star Wars has become an overrated work, Lord of the Rings is very much overrated.

It doesn't take much thinking. It isn't very complex, smart, or progressive. And, in the end, it offers really nothing new to film, nor does it really do any kind of impressive job in its retro-rehasing. It's boring because it has nothing to offer, not because it is long.

Want to watcha movie where you have "THINK?" Try an Ingmar Bergman film, or if that isn't enough for you, try putting together the biographical masterpiece that is Naked Lunch.

[Note: Before your beloved Peter Jackson started smoking Hollywood cock, he made interesting, honest, and awesome movies. Try Heavenly Creatures, Bad Taste, and Dead Alive. Yeah, same Jackson. Whole other passion.]

Posted by: x_lilvietdreamer_x Jul 30 2006, 11:53 AM

Napolian Dynamite
people said that movie was funny ...












it wasn't.

Posted by: hiromi Jul 30 2006, 12:16 PM

Napoleon Dynamite and Spirited Away
Napoleon because it was just stupid
Spirited Away because it definitely was not one of Miyazaki's best works.

Posted by: Kathleen Jul 30 2006, 03:21 PM

I still wonder why of all directors.. they picked him to direct LOTR when he made movies like Dead Alive. Although don't get me wrong - that's one of my favorite zombie movies.

Posted by: dancingkait Jul 30 2006, 03:31 PM

i thought mr and mrs smith was way to overrated...it was like spy kids for adults. i was not impressed

Posted by: L!ckitySplit Jul 30 2006, 07:40 PM

you dissed all those movies, yet you like the RING? you just killed all your credibility lol.




could this guy be more right? its almost creepy.



well, it musta won 16 academy awards for a reason. its either i believe an academy. or a teenager that likes movies nobody ever heard of.

Posted by: Angelina Taylor Jul 30 2006, 07:56 PM

Lord of the rings, in a way, although I do like the movies. The BOOKS are classic.

Other most overrated movies - Titanic, Star Wars, and all those chick-flicks.

Posted by: tooeffingcrazy Jul 30 2006, 08:06 PM

Just want to say, THANK YOU.
This film was WAY over the top. It is so passed realism, and everyone is saying what a great movie it is. It's seriously everyone's #1 favorite movie.

Seven- I just don't get what all the commotion is about. I've seen it once, maybe I should give it another chance, but it was just so blah. I just don't understand WHY it's so good.

LOTR, Star Wars, Harry Potter, Matrix- Maybe i'm just not a fantasy/sci-fi kind of guy. I don't see how or where the entertainment is.

Nacho/Napoleon- What? Where's the comedy? You see stupid people everyday, why not just make your life a movie? It's absurd.
-----------------

Like or dislike, in the Exorcist, Ellen gives a hell of a performance.

Posted by: Acid Bath Slayer Jul 31 2006, 05:34 AM

It won 17 Oscars for several reasons; reasons including, but not limited to, the reality that the academy sucks, and the trilogy is grossly overrated. That it won a bunch of awards really doesn't prove anything other than the fact that it is highly reguarded within the academy on several technical aspects. That it is highly reguarded is kind of a prerequisite to the series being overrated. So, no problem here mentioning how many awards it has and how many people adore it so much.

However, to suggest that since it is popular, and has been rated highly, must mean that it is good film is absurd. That implication is only that much more absurd when you are in a thread which is discussing the issue of movies being overrated. We can't just talk about the ratings themselves, we have to put them into context. Do they make sense? Should this movie be so well reguarded? Why or why not? I believe I put forth a meaningful post in that sense. Your post, on the other hand, much like the Lord of the Ring trilogy itself, has hardly any value, if any, and is near meaningless.

Not to mention, this isn't about believing popular opinion, an academy, or some "teenager that likes movies nobody ever heard of." Let's not be a f**king automaton. Figure it out for yourself. Why or why don't you like a specific movie, and why or why not do you think it is overrated? Let's not take the critics word for it, let's use our own heads for once.

Posted by: femme_fatale4160 Jul 31 2006, 06:18 AM

Titanic. Not only was it dull, but the makers of it took a horrific accident which resulted in over 1300 deaths and made it all about sex.

Posted by: disco infiltrator Jul 31 2006, 09:30 AM

Eff you all that said Harry Potter...

Crash. Certainly overrated.

edit;;
Aw I didn't even go past the first page on this when I posted. Don't mean to seem to be going with my crowd on this one...

Posted by: iRock cB Jul 31 2006, 10:35 AM

Well damn man. You just have your panties all in a bunch, don't you?

Yes, it's quite a shame they had to dumb down the books a bit in order appeal to our dumb down society. Quite a shame.

All in all, good for you Acid Bath Slayer. You're one of those teens who can think. So, what's your point? Should I pat you on the back now?

And, also, you're quite ignorant to assume my "beloved Peter Jackson" because I agree with you. I never said I liked Peter Jackson, but that doesn't automatically steer me away from a great film. Please, don't make yourself look like such a dumb ass next time.

Posted by: Acid Bath Slayer Jul 31 2006, 04:23 PM

Why the hell are you so smug?
You just tried to say that Lord of the Rings is a classic, that it requires a lot of attention, and involves serious thinking. And, now, I'm the "ignorant dumb ass?"
I have my "panties all in a bunch." In? Huh? I think you give yourself too much credit, no panties were all in anything.
I was just making a point, a rather strong one I think.
I mean, look at your post. You were essentially implying that if someone didn't like Lord of the Rings or thought it was way overrated, they must be someone with a short attention span and also unable to "THINK". Note the emphasis on "think." This is a very strong kind of thinking, not the normal thinking everyone does each and every day. This is Lord of the Rings level thinking, not Titanic thinking.

Ahem, anyways. Your implications were wildly arrogant. Sure, you like Lord of the Rings, but to assume that people must have short attention spans and be incapable of simple thought processes if they don't like it...?!

I tried to add some meaningful commentary. The films really aren't that great. They don't have much to offer. You clearly thought they were big thinking films, "brilliant," and required some kind of attention span. I don't believe the trilogy merits any of those things. So, I made a refutation. Now, somehow this refutation makes me look like a "dumb ass?" Maybe even an ignorant one? Whoa, buddy! You caught me red handed! I sure am an ignorant dumb ass! Especially when it comes to film! I don't know shit!

Dude, the fact was... you were way out of line to say that the Lord of the Rings trilogy was a classic, In any sense of the word. The movies suck. They're trash.

Posted by: Kathleen Jul 31 2006, 04:24 PM

Nate, do you like anything anyone else likes? You intimidate me.

Posted by: Acid Bath Slayer Jul 31 2006, 04:31 PM

I like things that don't suck that other people like. Heh heh.
I intimidate you?

Uhmm, I like Pulp Fiction?
Everyone likes Pulp Fiction! See, I like something everyone likes!
But, I think it's overrated.
I like it a lot. f**k, I love it, but... I don't think it's QT's best work.

Posted by: Kathleen Jul 31 2006, 04:44 PM

Okay. Just checking. I don't know. You make me feel so inferior.. and dumb. Which is your favorite of his?

Posted by: i heart john Jul 31 2006, 04:47 PM

Scarface. Don't get me wrong, I like the movie, but it's most definately not the best movie of all time, as some put it.

Posted by: Acid Bath Slayer Jul 31 2006, 04:55 PM

Awwww, you're a knowledgable young lady. You shouldn't feel that way. I want to do film as a career. I want film to be a large part of my life. I have to go crazy on it.

My favorite Tarantino is Reservoir Dogs. Just below it, and I mean near neck to neck, is Jackie Brown. Follow it quite a ways down the line and you have Pulp Fiction. Then you have Vol. 2, and then Vol. 1. But, if I were to equate in other films that he didn't entirely direct, this list would look much different. Think, True Romance, and Natural Born Killers. Tarantino use to be my favorite director and his films tended to always make my top twenty list, nearly all of them. But, I really expanded my horizon, and I found a lot of other stuff that I find to be far more entertaining and far more clever. Right now, Pulp Fiction wouldn't even make a top 100 list for me.

Posted by: nyctophiliac Jul 31 2006, 06:23 PM

WEDDING CRASHERS
it wasn't funny at all

Posted by: Evil_One1 Jul 31 2006, 10:52 PM

"Brokeback Mountain". I'm sorry if some of you guys liked it, but I thought it was SOOOOO BOOORING. I really think it only got the hype because somebody was being daring by having them be gay. I'm sorry, but it bored me out of my mind. I have no idea why I watched the whole thing.

Posted by: Kristinaa Jul 31 2006, 11:22 PM

Syriana. WTF was up with that movie? Seriously.

Posted by: My Cinderella. Jul 31 2006, 11:33 PM

Scarface.

Posted by: L!ckitySplit Aug 1 2006, 12:27 AM

i actually made that statement to give you some insight of what you come off as to some people when you basically put your opinion above others on what a good movie is. part of the point was that, do you even realize, that you are calling a whole academy of movie critics "sucky" and you sir, are indeed correct, at all times? which is the reason why i made the "teenage kid" comment. so that statement i made wasnt exactly about how lord of rings was a better film because of its popularity, im not that stupid. it actually had alittle more behind it than that.
i definately think you would have more rebuttle on the films you try to recomend to people all the time....if only people knew what the hell they were. but for example, i'll name a movie off that you like that i actually have heard of, jackie brown, ive seen jackie brown. but in comparison to lord of the rings, i enjoyed the rings alot more =/. so in my personal opinion, your credibility was already shot.

now i think what Brenden meant towards the "thinking more" thing about lotr. most people, that dont like LOTR, would actually prefer movies like, for example "the Ring" or "Harry Potter"
so in comparison to those movies, which is a more in-depth, intelligent film? lord of the rings? or Harry Potter?

now in my personal opinion, lord of the rings were excellent films. it wasnt uber complex or anything. but that certainly isnt the basis of what makes a good film. but it certainly wasnt for "simpletons". ill give you some films for simpletons, if you want to know some. it was a great adventure film, tons of interesting things going on,and interesting situations. you can nit-pick at all the little technicalities of a film such as "the characters werent developed enough" (especially when that can be easily dismissed as your own opinion again) but as far as im concerned, i loved the characters, except for frodo, frodo was a bitch. but anyway, how many films are there where you actually remember all the characters names freshly almost 4 years later? Gollum was one of the most memorable characters i know. but i guess he wasnt developed enough either huh? personaly i think it was excellent how they executed his internal conflict between smeigal and gollum by having him talking to himself. but do it in a way to where you actually believe there is two seperate people conversing.
but blah now i digress. thats my two cents

Posted by: Acid Bath Slayer Aug 1 2006, 03:03 AM

I believe that I am quite a bit more knowledgeable when it comes to film and cinema than the average individual, especially in comparison to my peers. I spend time learning and studying the art. I am also active in serious critical analysis.

It was never my intention, nor do I believe that it appeared that I was implying, that I am always correct. That would be a terrible mistake. However, I do believe it is meaningful, to a degree, to believe in your evaluation of specific aesthetic points, and or practical arts. Belief in those evaluations should only be amplified by a relevant level of knowledge and understanding of the medium.

What use would it be to assume that my opinion is equal to each and every other opinion if I am to hold it? Not to mention, my opinion is not the same as many others', and as a result, could not possibly be equal to each and every other opinion. I hold it for very specific reasons which I have articulated and can elaborate upon. Of course these propositions can never be of objective truth value, as this is a subjective matter, but it simply is not meaningful to be submissive and weak in one's opinion, given that said opinion is enforced and held.

If we want to have a decent discussion, I should believe thaty my opinion is a good one, just as you believe yours is.

Oh, and to add... the Academy is actually majorly occupired by actors, not "critics."
Members are also not required to even see the films which are nominated before they vote. So, it's really not that serious of an Academy.



Whether or not it was about popularity, the statement is still a fallacious and meaningless argument. If you want to refute my proposition, focus on my argument. Don't focus on my status as a "teenage kid." Or else, you're just fighting an ad hominem.



I welcome a "rebuttle" on my films.
I would also be rather confident in having meaningful discussions on the matter.
It isn't as if I havn't changed my view on many a film over the years. People have helped to convince me, with meaningful argumentation, that certain films I once reguarded, were actually not as great as I had once imagined. It isn't an impossible conception.

I don't see how that you did not enjoy Jackie Brown hurts my "credibility." Now you seem to be a bit hypocritical. On one hand you are saying that I come off as if I believe that my opinions are always correct. But, on another hand, you are saying that my "credibility" is "shot" by the fact that I enjoyed a certain film more than you did yourself. So, are you saying that if I have divergent taste that my credibility is hurt? Doesn't that proposition assume that your opinion is of greater value (more correct) than my own?



You're making some rather odd sweeping generalizations. But, what I think is most curious is the comparisons you are making between films like Lord of the Rings, The Ring, and Harry Potter. As far as I can tell, these films take just about the same level of thought: Just about none whatsoever. None of those movies are that in-depth, or intelligent. They are all pretty standard, rather simple flicks.



You have definately highlighted some interesting aspects of the series. But, the issue I have is that an interesting concept sometimes fails when executed in a shallow manner. The series does not, to my observation, really do any kind of in-depth examination of the human experience or any of the themes or events found on screen. In fact, a large majority of the movie revolves around CGI action sequences (Not to say that these are inherently bad, but to spend three films on them...) punctuated by lame buddy style dialouge and cliche. Beyond its execution, the films sit on very simple cliched themes (I mean, look at the villains. They're bad, we get it). For this reason, mainly, it is a highly regarded film by many different people and, as a result has become rather overrated.

But, I'm interested now. What films are for simpletons, and what is, exactly, the difference between those movies and the Lord of the Rings trilogy?

Posted by: lolita kitty Aug 1 2006, 03:17 AM

Spiderman 1 & 2 are waaaay over rated. Both of them sucked.

Posted by: Born in a burial gown Aug 1 2006, 09:40 AM

POTC!

Posted by: iRock cB Aug 1 2006, 03:36 PM

Lol, I'm not being smug at all. Actually, you're coming off as quite smug and I think quite a few people would agree with me. I just disagree with you, is that ok? Just take a chill pill. You don't have to get all defensive. We have opposing opinions. Get over it.

Excuse me. I didn't think anyone would pay enough attention to my post for it to be scrutinized over and over again. And they weren't wildly arrogant. That's the facts. Most people who watch movies want instant entertainment, not something they have to think about and follow the plot so carefully.

And I never said they were "big thinking" films. I only said there's a little more thought involved. And that's the truth. You know that as well as I do. The reason a lot of teens don't like LOTR is because of that. Teens want fast cars, guns, romance, and explosions. They don't want to follow a delightful story about a little hobbit. Please, man, spare me. You need to just calm down and quit making these ignorant accusations.


Wow, I ask you nicely not to do it again, and there you go again. Acting like an ignorant dumb ass. I only said you we're being a dumb ass about the "beloved Peter Jackson" claim. That's clearly the only thing. I already replied to that, so I suggest you read over it again without your superior attitude and realize that's what I was talking about. All in all, it was a pretty ignorant statement for you to assume I love Peter Jackson just because I love LOTR. And now you take that statement and try to make it look like I said you're a dumb ass because of your entire reply? Wow. I'm quite baffled by your thought process.

Well there you have it. You think I'm out of line, so it MUST be out of line. That's pretty arrogant, wouldn't you say? Many professionals would agree with me on my statement. I think you saying they "suck" and are "trash" is way out of line. That's just my opinion vs. yours. Please, quit trying to act all "high and mighty" and take some of your energy and focus it somewhere else. You really would be a nice person to argue with if you didn't have that arrogant, superior mentality. It seems to blind you as you've make some pretty radical assumptions.

And with that, I am through. This is quite pointless. I like LOTR, you don't. That's that. Peace out!

Posted by: Acid Bath Slayer Aug 1 2006, 05:40 PM

So, I have an "arrogant and superier mentality" because I have a strong opinion, but your opinion is somehow not "arrogant?" I think you are confusing my tone. I'm not freaking out or anything. I'm just making a dialouge. You seem largely defensive, when I talk about the movie, you talk about me. I don't see how I'm the arrogant one because I have an opinion on a film, you guys are consistently attacking my character. Let's say we keep this to a discussion on the movie, huh?

Hmmm. Alright, I'll agree. People do want instant entertainment. They don't want to have to think and follow the plot carefully. And, that's why so many people love Lord of the Rings.

Look up the definition of ignorant. Most teens love Lord of the Rings, not the other way around. My "beloved Peter Jackson" statement was a bit more hyperbole than anything else, but whatever. If when you say "THINK" and mean "a little more thought involved," I can say "beloved" and mean "kinda liked."



You aren't out of line simply because I think so. I mentioned exactly why you were out of line. It's a largely premature statement. Even if Lod of the Rings was a masterpiece of filmmaking, to call it a classic now would be premature and short sighted.

So, wait... "professionals" agree with you on your statements? I don't get why you have to keep bringing popular opinion up. I mean, it's meaningless in the first place, but inside a thread about overrated movies...? Come on.

I'm not acting "high and mighty" anymore than you are. I don't get how my opinions are arrogant, but yours aren't. You practically implied that people don't like Lord of the Rings because they don't have attention spans, and can't think. Then, when I charged that as arrogant, you said they were facts. This confuses me?

We disagree, sure. But, I still have yet to see you even attempt to defend your position, instead you have optioned to insult me. I gave my position rather clearly, you have yet to honestly respond to my original criticism of the movie.

You may come off as the nice guy, but all you are really doing is making fun of me instead of facing my criticism of a movie you enjoyed. Evan insulted me too, but at least he defended the flicks at the same time.