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Posted by: pandora Feb 20 2008, 06:28 PM
I'm just going to say this once. Just because you cite credit to an artist for using their photos or graphic art does not give you permission to use it. You must submit written approval from the original artists before you use any of their work from now on. Quote them in your comments or send a PM to a design staff or something.
Posted by: miyashu Feb 20 2008, 07:23 PM
Otherwise, the graphic/layout will be rejected?
I'm tired of seeing layouts that use deviantart images when the designer probably didn't even ask for permission to use it. It's really a simple process.
(Guys, if the artist never replies to your email, take the hint and don't use the artwork/photo/whatever.)
Posted by: Tamacracker Feb 20 2008, 07:26 PM
What exactly happens if they don't? o.O
Posted by: superstitious Feb 20 2008, 07:27 PM
^ They will get rejected.
Posted by: digitalfragrance Feb 20 2008, 07:42 PM
If the artist specifies that we can use their work with no conditions attached, or only as long as we credit them, do we still have to ask for permission?
Posted by: ArjunaCapulong Feb 20 2008, 07:46 PM
Like, an actual picture or scan of written approval, or the kind of written approval you can type up yourself and forge?
Rach, she said regardless of if you give credit. I dunno 'bout the no strings attached thing though.
Posted by: vogueXdirge Feb 20 2008, 07:50 PM
What if it's a random image from Photobucket, and we do not know of it's original location?
and also, what if it's an editorial spread from a magazine?
I think it's going to be hard to get a popular Fashion Photographer's permission for a couple icons.
Posted by: S-Majere Feb 20 2008, 07:56 PM
It may be fairer to limit this more to Deviantart, seeing as CB has more complaints from that networking site than any other.
Any images from Photobucket can be searched for via keywords on DA, voguexdirge.
Posted by: pandora Feb 20 2008, 08:05 PM
you shouldnt be taking images from photobucket. photobucket and google are not stock photo houses.
if the original creator is giving full creative license for anyone to use their shit, then just copy and paste a statement that says so.
Posted by: vogueXdirge Feb 20 2008, 08:11 PM
So what about fashion editorials?
I get a bunch of my pics for icons from Fotodecadent on LJ. Do I have to get credit from the poster, or do I simply post a credit to the Photographer.
Sorry for all the questions, I'm really not trying to be a bother.
:3
Posted by: pandora Feb 20 2008, 08:28 PM
just credit the source. i think we're all okay with people using scans, because the magazine doesnt really give a shit. we're not making money from these layouts.
but a different story would be if you go on someones photography site where they have clearly said not to use their work, and you use it anyway and think just giving them credit is going to make it okay.
photobucket and google images are forbidden. we dont know where these images are coming from.
Posted by: falsetigerlimbs Feb 20 2008, 08:35 PM
I just want to mention that http://sxc.hu is a good place to get stock photography. The people who submit photographs there tend to really like people to use their photos for things, and will happily give you permission (I've discovered this from experience). So maybe it would be good to look there before photobucket-ing/googling. 
Posted by: novemberly Feb 20 2008, 08:56 PM
Stock.xchng is a good source but you must read the license carefully. Some images still require you ask the photographer for permission to use it (And manipulate it in photoshop or whatever as well).
Posted by: vogueXdirge Feb 20 2008, 10:38 PM
Thank you all so much for the tips and clarification!
Posted by: Gryffindor-Girl Feb 21 2008, 12:16 AM
What about Common Celebrity pictures that are all over the web like this.-->>http://www.danradcliffe.us/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=85
I have seen that picture everywhere. Or what about screen caps from t.v. shows and Movies
Posted by: pandora Feb 21 2008, 12:44 AM
Ok none of us give a shit about celebrity photos because half of them are out there for publicity anyway. I'm talking about taking photos and graphics from someone's deviantart or personal portfolio.
really, it's a very simple concept, people.
Posted by: freeflow Feb 21 2008, 12:46 AM
Celebrities are a different story. You just linked a website right? Just credit that. Guys it's a simple concept. :)
Posted by: Gryffindor-Girl Feb 21 2008, 01:04 AM
really, it's a very simple concept, people.
Oh Ok THANK YOU!
Posted by: freeridefight Feb 21 2008, 10:50 AM
that is what I do
Posted by: asphyxiated Feb 21 2008, 07:23 PM
Heck yes! Thank you :)!! I was wondering when people would get around to reinforcing the rules about using other people's artwork/stock without proper credit.
Posted by: MissHygienic Feb 21 2008, 08:02 PM
I'm tired of seeing layouts that use deviantart images when the designer probably didn't even ask for permission to use it. It's really a simple process.
(Guys, if the artist never replies to your email, take the hint and don't use the artwork/photo/whatever.)
Well, that would ideally be the case--to reject it if they have proof that the designer gave them permission, but I think we'll end up rejecting more good ones than not. I can't say for sure, but how would we know indefinitely that it's actual proof instead of them just making it up, provided that they give credit, as well? Are we, as reviewers, now have to check DeviantART for validity?
Posted by: Strive Feb 21 2008, 09:33 PM
Makes perfect sense to me :P
Posted by: SkeleBoy Feb 22 2008, 10:06 AM
Good Idea. =]
Posted by: pandora Feb 22 2008, 01:07 PM
no, at this point we will have made enough precaution to say we did everything possible to ensure that the work being submitted is their own, and if it isn't we're not liable.
Posted by: bangxdisco Feb 22 2008, 06:21 PM
..are you guys dumb?
just do what they're asking.
it's really not that hard to ask someone if you can use their pictures
i dont see why this is such a hard concept to grasp.
Posted by: Venia Feb 23 2008, 09:45 PM
Good idea. It's not like there aren't plenty of stock places around.
Posted by: CODiENE Mar 1 2008, 10:59 AM
^true. but the good ones you have to pay for 
Posted by: maivue Mar 1 2008, 10:44 PM
Do you really think ALL the work you administrators used were ALL authorize by the original artist? If you think we should all get authorization then probably 95% of your users will be threatened and never use your site again? Wait, including me, it would be 96%.
Posted by: pandora Mar 2 2008, 07:03 AM
ok. never use the site again. we don't really care either way. 
Posted by: CODiENE Mar 2 2008, 01:50 PM
^ agreed
or (god forbid) you use your own images. 
Posted by: Spencer Mar 2 2008, 03:55 PM
Posted by: pandora Mar 2 2008, 03:56 PM
Posted by: Dominatrix Mar 2 2008, 03:57 PM
OMG TOO MANY PERCENTS.
Posted by: CODiENE Mar 2 2008, 04:15 PM
^ wtf?
they're right. one member leaving doesn't make a difference. Soon, there will be someone to fill the gap.
Posted by: girlpower65 Mar 5 2008, 12:57 PM
What if I'm linking to someone's tutorial in a tutorial of my own and the person doesn't get back to me to give me premission?
Posted by: superstitious Mar 5 2008, 01:03 PM
I had that as my avatar on another forum a few years back.
I'm curious as to why you'd be linking a different tutorial on one that you are submitting. I'm sure it would be legit, but if I were reviewing the tutorial, it would be an auto red flag.
It's not a graphic, but you should still have permission from the tutorial's original author if you are using material from their tutorial.
Posted by: o0osinghio0o Mar 8 2008, 12:09 AM
how about if you did your own art/photo/etc? how do we show proof of that?
Posted by: MissHygienic Mar 8 2008, 12:23 AM
I think we can usually tell and make an educated guess whether or not you made it. I've seen some tremendous things submitted by overall average designers; therefore, it was obviously not made by them and I reject it for failing to provide credit. If you've used any stock photography from DeviantART or anything else that wasn't made by you, we expect you to respect copyrights and to inform us. It's basically a designer's rule of thumb.
Posted by: libertie Mar 8 2008, 01:15 AM
To add to what Whitney just said, if you did take or make the picture used in the layout, it wouldn't hurt to say so. You did it, why not brag? It helps us both out.
Posted by: ataraxykfx Mar 8 2008, 03:35 AM
It's basic copyrighting law people...look it up on wikipedia, or whatever gets you by. If you can go through the effort to put so much time into these layouts, you owe it to yourselves to look into it. Anyone who's even thinking about getting into design (whether it be professionally or on a site like this, or dA) needs to have a basic understanding of creative commons and fair use rules.
Images that have been around for a certain number of years fall under the fair use umbrella. The celebrity issue is a little different. That depends on a lot of things, because the copyright technically belongs to the photographer in many cases.
You simply CAN NOT use other people's work for your own without their explicit permission. Use some common sense. I just don't think it's that much to ask to have a little integrity. Either get the permission you need, make your own images (now there's an idea), or leave. People are going to quit putting their stuff up (or put big ugly watermarks all over them) because it gets stolen.
Obviously there's no way to guarantee that stolen art doesn't get through, but I think the point is to make everyone stop and think about what their putting into their designs.
There are a few sites to look at for free stock too. It's worth doing the research. It might not always be the highest quality but there are good ones and with some skills you can turn them into amazing designs.
Glance at the terms of service pages with royalty-free photo sites, most say you can use them for your own designs as long as you're not selling the actual file as your own work.
www.morguefile.com
http://www.pachd.com/free-images/index.html
Sorry this was so long...I just felt like I had to throw my 2..er..10..cents in.
Posted by: Kloe Mar 9 2008, 09:34 AM
Hi, I'm French. Where mark a permission? ( Sorry for English, I am not very strong )
Posted by: MissHygienic Mar 9 2008, 11:57 AM
When you submit a layout or any graphic, you can add comments. In there, you can simply say, "Picture taken from [source]." It will show up in a text box beneath your graphic.
Posted by: nothing_plus_this Mar 10 2008, 11:43 AM
about time.
Posted by: hybrid-ize Mar 12 2008, 10:20 PM
This has been up for quite a long time and though it mentions fanart, I think it SHOULD apply to all works of online artists.
http://www3.to/ofp/
Posted by: Freeborn-Kiwi Mar 21 2008, 03:08 PM
Er, I have a quick question. What if the picture comes from a movie or video game? Should I just put their web address in a credit box or something?
Posted by: pandora Mar 21 2008, 05:12 PM
really, it's a very simple concept, people.
Posted by: Freeborn-Kiwi Mar 21 2008, 05:25 PM
eh, right...
wrong topic
thx!
Posted by: rejakalu Mar 23 2008, 09:02 PM
What about stock photography off of createBlog?
Posted by: pandora Mar 24 2008, 04:32 AM
really, it's a very simple concept, people.
Posted by: pandora Mar 24 2008, 07:37 AM
Just to be clear, you cannot copy a website's layout (such as hollisterco.com) and then put your own content on top of it. That is copyright infringement to the fullest. Please do not do this for any layouts you submit as a resource to the site, and/or for your own cb profile layout.
Posted by: parttimelyts Mar 24 2008, 08:04 PM
no offense but anyone could simply make up a permission statement. anyway most of the people on createblog use photobucket, i can gurantee with putting this in effect will limit your layouts coming in. you should just ask everyone to provide a link for the images they use if it comes from deviantart, require them to ask permission.
Posted by: freeflow Mar 24 2008, 10:04 PM
If it limits how many we get , what's wrong with that? It's better than us having to go back and delete tons of layout because people stole graphics/images . It's not a hard concept and if people stop submitting layouts over it , honestly that's not our problem. Not to mention, most layout designers should not have a problem with it. If you do that's you.
Posted by: pandora Mar 24 2008, 10:42 PM
honestly most of the people that jock suck anyway, and we dont really need their submissions.
Posted by: clarity Mar 25 2008, 12:22 AM
Haha damnnn CB is getting all "blah". ;x
I do find this new 'rule/requirement' highly reasonable. It`s annoying when people just take work. I've seen MANY layouts on here with just MANY images i`ve seem from DA. :\
Posted by: res8zenith Mar 29 2008, 11:17 AM
well.. lets see, i normally give all the credits i can think of, i don't use photobucket images except from my own account, and as for deviantart! i save their images to my favorites, and ask them later on. that way they are like, hey! my image is famous in a layout too now! awesome :D 
stress off my back...some people are complaining to me saying that my layouts have too long credits, i'm thinking if they use my layout and delete the credits, do i get in trouble or do they?
-autumnsunsets,res8zenith
Posted by: superstitious Mar 29 2008, 11:23 AM
We can always email the person who supposedly gave permission. If there's doubt, we can ask for links as well.
I'd rather have less layouts than have a bunch of jocked ones.
res8zenith - Technically they would get in trouble, but since your the 'code' owner, it's up to you to keep the integrity of the original artist's wishes. Many designers ask that their coding doesn't get altered.
Posted by: musesinspiration Apr 7 2008, 01:39 PM
So what do you do in the case of this layout:
http://www.createblog.com/layouts/code.php?id=16068
The brushes used in this aren't even mentioned, let alone anything indicating that the artist has permission to use them. The brushes belong to: http://www.inobscuro.com
Posted by: pandora Apr 7 2008, 01:42 PM
When someone offers resources like brushes for public use, i am fairly sure that it's okay for people to use them as they see fit. Offering brushes openly to the public constitutes as permission.
Again, stock resources do not have to be cited unless the owner states specifically that they want credit.
Posted by: Assemblage Oct 24 2008, 10:56 AM
Good call on this post, as a contributer to both the payed and free world of stock photography and design... I know how it feels when I am asked permission for use and when I find poeple redistributing or even selling my work as their own! 
If it hasen't been mentioned a few good resources are:
Stock Exchange
www.sxc.hu
This is a free stock community with good caliber work- the usage restrictions are under the photo and range from free for website and non for profits to notifying the artist to getting their permission.
**Its always good to practice good manners and treat the work like it was your own- a thank you and I am using this comment goes a long way. People are generally understanding and will give their images away if you show them the beautiful art you have created with them to grace blog sites all over the internet!- I know I am!
Another great free resource is Morge file
http://www.morguefile.com/
Same edicate when using their work- We want our work to be used- just remember to practice common courtesy:)
See a good list of free and shared work here:
http://www.photoshoptalent.com/photoshop-links/
Happy designing everyone
Hope this helps
Posted by: AuFait00 Oct 24 2008, 09:11 PM
I'm tired of seeing layouts that use deviantart images when the designer probably didn't even ask for permission to use it. It's really a simple process.
(Guys, if the artist never replies to your email, take the hint and don't use the artwork/photo/whatever.)
I totally agree! Not only that I DO not like seeing people use backgrounds from photobucket. I mean come'on guys!
Posted by: AutumnSunsets May 12 2009, 06:54 PM
all i know is that every time i use something that ISN'T MINE but i'm still going to use it, i ask, comment, or message that person who DID create that graphic that i want to use. afterwards when i have used it, i credit it not only on the layout, but on my site credits under THANKS.