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Gays in the Military
Blyat
post Mar 2 2010, 11:16 PM
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it's the fact that they're gay, that makes themn "different" which is encouraged to pick them out

but what you said about the sexual attractions that could go around in places (gay or not) that can go back to the dont ask dont tell...right?
 
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post Mar 3 2010, 01:38 AM
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QUOTE(karmakiller @ Mar 2 2010, 09:05 PM) *
Highly, highly unlikely that a woman disguised as a man would pass a physical and not be caught, whereas a gay man can easily say and pretend he's straight so that he can serve. So I guess I fail to see the comparison. Sure, there's still prejudice against women who do serve, but I don't necessarily think that's comparable with openly gay and lesbian people who serve.

There's a big risk with being openly gay and serving. And, if "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" gets changed I don't men in the military are going to automatically accept and not target gays. Congress could pass laws to protect openly gay and lesbian people in the service, but that's not going to help much when you're on a submarine and being targeted by your fellow servicemen.

Congress has already passed laws for the GLBT community. Whether they're in the military or not, they're still protected from hate crimes and discrimination.
 
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post Mar 3 2010, 05:16 PM
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QUOTE(synapse @ Mar 3 2010, 01:38 AM) *
Congress has already passed laws for the GLBT community. Whether they're in the military or not, they're still protected from hate crimes and discrimination.

So not allowing gays to be in the military, Doesn't that technically count as discriminating them (if they are supposedly protected by that)
 
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post Mar 3 2010, 05:45 PM
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QUOTE(Uso @ Mar 3 2010, 05:16 PM) *
So not allowing gays to be in the military, Doesn't that technically count as discriminating them (if they are supposedly protected by that)


Yes, but the Supreme Court ruled in Rostker v. Goldberg that "Congress was entitled, in the exercise of its constitutional powers, to focus on the question of military need, rather than 'equity.'" In other words, the rights of individuals take a backseat to what is considered to be best for the military, so the military has certain legal protections to discriminate based on criteria that are illegal in the civilian sector.
 
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post Mar 3 2010, 07:39 PM
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QUOTE(mipadi @ Mar 3 2010, 05:45 PM) *
Yes, but the Supreme Court ruled in Rostker v. Goldberg that "Congress was entitled, in the exercise of its constitutional powers, to focus on the question of military need, rather than 'equity.'" In other words, the rights of individuals take a backseat to what is considered to be best for the military, so the military has certain legal protections to discriminate based on criteria that are illegal in the civilian sector.

Oh I see, gotcha
that's quite a loophole there imo
 
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post Jun 3 2010, 07:01 AM
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QUOTE(fameONE @ Feb 28 2010, 04:23 PM) *
Yes, there are gays in the military already. I don't care about what someone's sexual orientation is, but the moment this is an issue that's brought to the forefront, then the mission, whatever it is (combat or peacetime), will not get accomplished. You'll have troops that are paranoid that every gay guy is plotting a violent rape scheme, or, even worse, their brother in arms, might end up being a target.

Yea I'm sorry but those arguments are just validating homophobia. Servicemen should have something more to fear than homosexuals.

QUOTE(karmakiller @ Mar 3 2010, 03:59 AM) *
I know this might make me look bad, but you also have to take into consideration that people in the service aren't just working together, they are living together, eating together, showering together. I agree that the "what if an openly gay man finds me sexually attractive" thought shouldn't apply, because I have been around and worked with plenty of men who I haven't found sexually attractive. There's also the issue that if you are a straight man in the military and are being harassed by a gay man, or are a gay man in the military and are being harassed by a straight man that you cannot just leave. I know it sounds weird, but if you're civilian and are being harassed because your sexual preference you still have to option to quit your job.

I completely agree that men and women should be allowed be open about their sexual preference and still serve, but so many people are saying "what does it matter if they are gay or not?", which can really be applied to both sides.

I fail to see how it's acceptable to discriminate against gay people, just because a few straights are homophobic. Know what, I think they should repeal this then start discharging anybody that makes homophobic statements, because I think that flies in the face of US values that servicemen are supposedly fighting to uphold.

A lot of the military is made up of younger people who have no problem with gays in the military. If it isn't overturned now I reckon it will be in the future because the people who oppose it are getting older and will soon be on their way out.
 
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post Jun 3 2010, 05:55 PM
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^ I think that there will still be homosexuals who serve in the military and won't be open about their sexual preference, because they will be concerned about hate crimes against them.

In all honesty, the only area of the military that I can see being concerned is infantry, because of the question of what if two men who are serving in combat are involved in a relationship with each other, will that affect how they perform their job? I think a lot would be quick to say that it would, just like if women were allowed to serve in infantry and one of them was involved with another member of that platoon, it might influence the decisions that one of them makes. And that could cost lives. But if the military puts restraints on relationships between men in certain job fields of the military that's still discrimination.
 
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post Jun 3 2010, 06:50 PM
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It is basically just a big rule of homophobia dicks that are trying to get it their way
 
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post Sep 10 2010, 07:26 AM
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A federal judge on Thursday declared the U.S. military's ban on openly gay service members unconstitutional and said she will issue an order to stop the government from enforcing the "don't ask, don't tell" policy nationwide.

U.S. District Judge Virginia Phillips said the ban violates the First and Fifth Amendment rights of gays and lesbians. "Don't ask, don't tell" prohibits the military from asking about the sexual orientation of service members but requires discharge of those who acknowledge being gay or are discovered engaging in homosexual activity, even in the privacy of their own homes off base.

In her ruling, Phillips said the policy doesn't help military readiness and instead has a "direct and deleterious effect" on the armed services.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/09/d...e_n_711508.html
 
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post Oct 1 2010, 12:46 AM
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A gay man/woman can fire a gun just as easily and a straight man/woman can.
 
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post Oct 1 2010, 01:04 AM
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QUOTE(lovebuddha @ Oct 1 2010, 12:46 AM) *
A gay man/woman can fire a gun just as easily and a straight man/woman can.

not true
 
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post Oct 1 2010, 01:07 AM
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QUOTE(serotonin @ Oct 1 2010, 02:04 AM) *
not true


how do you figure?
 

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