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Gays in the Military
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post Feb 13 2010, 12:20 PM
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I think legally and publicly accepting gays into our armed forces is a step forward in a modern military. Though I can imagine some of the potential drawbacks, the benefits outweigh them in my mind.

What do you think?
 
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post Feb 13 2010, 02:34 PM
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absolutely not we don't need f****ts in the armed forces it'll just become a sissy unit and a bunch of gays f*cking shit up
 
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post Feb 13 2010, 02:37 PM
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sure but put them on the front lines. Make sure they die first.
 
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post Feb 13 2010, 02:51 PM
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Seriously, if they allowed it, they would just be asking to be mocked.

And besides that, rape might be an issue.
 
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post Feb 13 2010, 03:02 PM
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QUOTE(Maccabee @ Feb 13 2010, 01:51 PM) *
Seriously, if they allowed it, they would just be asking to be mocked.

And besides that, rape might be an issue.


how? there are gays in the military right now already. all the sudden they will start raping people when they haven't been doing that thus far?
 
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post Feb 13 2010, 04:05 PM
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QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Feb 13 2010, 02:02 PM) *
how? there are gays in the military right now already. all the sudden they will start raping people when they haven't been doing that thus far?


Because gay guys want to f*ck everyone. EVERYONE. It's not their fault. They are natural rape machines. It's why god hates them.
 
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post Feb 13 2010, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE(Maccabee @ Feb 13 2010, 01:51 PM) *
Seriously, if they allowed it, they would just be asking to be mocked.

And besides that, rape might be an issue.

the policy is don't ask don't tell, not zero tolerance.
 
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post Feb 14 2010, 04:22 AM
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They're already accepted.... I don't understand what you're saying.
 
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post Feb 14 2010, 04:43 AM
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Gay people are gay.
 
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post Feb 28 2010, 10:23 AM
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QUOTE(Paladin @ Feb 13 2010, 12:20 PM) *
I think legally and publicly accepting gays into our armed forces is a step forward in a modern military. Though I can imagine some of the potential drawbacks, the benefits outweigh them in my mind.

What do you think?

Yes, there are gays in the military already. I don't care about what someone's sexual orientation is, but the moment this is an issue that's brought to the forefront, then the mission, whatever it is (combat or peacetime), will not get accomplished. You'll have troops that are paranoid that every gay guy is plotting a violent rape scheme, or, even worse, their brother in arms, might end up being a target.
 
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post Mar 2 2010, 04:41 AM
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I'd be more than willing to serve if homosexual people were openly allowed to serve. Brandon is correct though. Whether in the current law, or the proposed the situation is the same. A lot of soldiers are uncomfortable having homosexual brethren that would come about as strangers. If the proposed new law is allowing gays into the military openly, the first wave will not be easy. I'm sure though, in time it'll be easier for soldiers to adapt.
 
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post Mar 2 2010, 06:11 PM
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I thing they should have the same equality overall but basically like itanium said, if they keep with the "don't ask don't tell" rule, they prolly will be fine

But looking one step back, they still do that sometimes with women in the military too.

correct me if I'm wrong
 
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post Mar 2 2010, 06:16 PM
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gonna look back at english bill of rights
 
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post Mar 2 2010, 07:55 PM
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QUOTE(Uso @ Mar 2 2010, 05:11 PM) *
I thing they should have the same equality overall but basically like itanium said, if they keep with the "don't ask don't tell" rule, they prolly will be fine

But looking one step back, they still do that sometimes with women in the military too.

correct me if I'm wrong

Can you explain what you're talking about here? I wasn't aware that women used to hide their sex, haha.
 
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post Mar 2 2010, 08:19 PM
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QUOTE(karmakiller @ Mar 2 2010, 06:55 PM) *
Can you explain what you're talking about here? I wasn't aware that women used to hide their sex, haha.

It happened all the time. Women would cut their hair and bind their chest, and could often pass as male that way. Of course, as far as I know it never happened in the US military, but other armies with no real rigorous entry programs is where it was common.
 
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post Mar 2 2010, 08:41 PM
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QUOTE(itanium @ Mar 2 2010, 05:19 PM) *
It happened all the time. Women would cut their hair and bind their chest, and could often pass as male that way. Of course, as far as I know it never happened in the US military, but other armies with no real rigorous entry programs is where it was common.

have you been watching too many mulan
 
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post Mar 2 2010, 08:59 PM
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QUOTE(karmakiller @ Mar 2 2010, 07:55 PM) *
Can you explain what you're talking about here? I wasn't aware that women used to hide their sex, haha.


There are limits to what women can do in the military, like they cant do some weaponry stuff. Like I dont think they let them be in the middle of a battle or hold heavy artilery. I wish i still had the paper cause I had to write an ACT essay about it

But this could be different from the whole gay people thing
 
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post Mar 2 2010, 09:05 PM
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QUOTE(itanium @ Mar 2 2010, 07:19 PM) *
It happened all the time. Women would cut their hair and bind their chest, and could often pass as male that way. Of course, as far as I know it never happened in the US military, but other armies with no real rigorous entry programs is where it was common.

Highly, highly unlikely that a woman disguised as a man would pass a physical and not be caught, whereas a gay man can easily say and pretend he's straight so that he can serve. So I guess I fail to see the comparison. Sure, there's still prejudice against women who do serve, but I don't necessarily think that's comparable with openly gay and lesbian people who serve.

There's a big risk with being openly gay and serving. And, if "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" gets changed I don't men in the military are going to automatically accept and not target gays. Congress could pass laws to protect openly gay and lesbian people in the service, but that's not going to help much when you're on a submarine and being targeted by your fellow servicemen.
 
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post Mar 2 2010, 09:17 PM
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i still just don't understand it. if the gay guys aren't raping everyone now and the straight guys are aware that some people in with them could be gay, then why would that change all the sudden and everyone would go nuts? i don't see what the big deal is or how it's gonna change. they trust in gay people now to have their back, so what's gonna be different?
 
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post Mar 2 2010, 09:23 PM
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how would yall react if someone found out that george washington was down low in the military?!?!??
 
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post Mar 2 2010, 09:25 PM
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QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Mar 2 2010, 08:17 PM) *
i still just don't understand it. if the gay guys aren't raping everyone now and the straight guys are aware that some people in with them could be gay, then why would that change all the sudden and everyone would go nuts? i don't see what the big deal is or how it's gonna change. they trust in gay people now to have their back, so what's gonna be different?


There are guys who do think there are absolutely no gay people in the military and that every gay guy wants to rape them.

A guy told me "I am going to serve my country is it too much to ask that I not be around any queers." Those are the guys who will flip shit.
 
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QUOTE(karmakiller @ Mar 2 2010, 08:05 PM) *
Highly, highly unlikely that a woman disguised as a man would pass a physical and not be caught, whereas a gay man can easily say and pretend he's straight so that he can serve. So I guess I fail to see the comparison. Sure, there's still prejudice against women who do serve, but I don't necessarily think that's comparable with openly gay and lesbian people who serve.

Remember, not all countries are as discriminating as the US when it comes to who they let in the service. And in the past, that was true even more often.
 
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post Mar 2 2010, 09:44 PM
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And why so worried about just the gays?
there are indeed straight guys that have raped girls in iraq (source from past articles)
 
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post Mar 2 2010, 09:47 PM
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I imagine it gets lonely on those boats too.
 
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post Mar 2 2010, 09:59 PM
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I know this might make me look bad, but you also have to take into consideration that people in the service aren't just working together, they are living together, eating together, showering together. I agree that the "what if an openly gay man finds me sexually attractive" thought shouldn't apply, because I have been around and worked with plenty of men who I haven't found sexually attractive. There's also the issue that if you are a straight man in the military and are being harassed by a gay man, or are a gay man in the military and are being harassed by a straight man that you cannot just leave. I know it sounds weird, but if you're civilian and are being harassed because your sexual preference you still have to option to quit your job.

I completely agree that men and women should be allowed be open about their sexual preference and still serve, but so many people are saying "what does it matter if they are gay or not?", which can really be applied to both sides.
 

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