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Posted by: Vendetta_br Dec 1 2006, 12:22 AM

- Mona Lisa

That administrator is me, by the way. (OMG BR ADMINISTRATORZ IS POSTIN HERE SO IMMATUREZ). I figured it was time for us to have another chat, since I'm stuck taking out your trash, again. Per the usual. I fully expect this thread to be flamed, which is fine. I'm going to make my point very concisely and very elegantly, try to do the same. Don't be angry, I'm not. I'm as calm as a hindu cow. I'm just fed up.

Recently, I've had to deal with yet ANOTHER cB member deciding it would be fun to spam my boards, and once again, I've had to ban ANOTHER cB member for general jackassery of the 1st degree.

Now Mona Lisa, again, I would like to stress a simple point: I am fully able to control my members, and therefore, they do not come to cB to spam because they're bored or retarded or whatever cause is behind cB members spamming BR. It's rather absurd for you to say "I don't see any of it [hostility] from this side," when you know damned well there is.

I ban an average of 10-15 cB members a month from BR, not because they're on BR - don't get me wrong, I love the traffic, and most are good intentioned enough - but because they think it's funny as hell to come to BR and spam, advertise, and be general nuisances.

Hostility towards BR? http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=156798&st=250

Contrary to what some may think, I passed kindergarten, and learned to read. Now, I'll give one hundred dollars to ANYONE who can find ANY such feelings on BR. We don't like you, and we're intelligent enough to know we don't have to point it out.

.fire, http://blogring.net/forum/archives/97742-i-3-create-blog.html#post2002836 is why you got banned.

We don't ban people because we like to. We ban people who break the rules of the site. Don't think we tolerate your spam or advertising. Don't think you get banned because I run a crew of communists. If you get banned, you get banned because you think spamming or advertising is funny. Well guess what, you're not funny, and you're not clever. It makes you a boring loser and people hate you.

- Mona Lisa

Our warning system is actually quite complex. We can warn, give infractions, suspend points, lower reputation, ban, suspend, and do many other creative things which I designed in my little server shop of horrors. We can also do many more positive things.

We have a pretty clearly defined set of rules. If you have 1-10 posts on your account, and you spam, generally, it will be me that will ban you outright because you're not contributing to my site in any productive way, you're just being an idiot. cB would do the same.

If you advertise ANYTHING that's for personal gain, and not in the links forum, I will generally ban you outright as well.

As far as people coming to BR with genuine opinions and points of discussion, I never ban people. Instead of spamming "LOL CB ROX U SUX0RZ", if someone came to BR, posted a thought out thread about the superiority of cB, and stayed to chat, I wouldn't ban you. I'd refute, of course, but you wouldn't be banned. I encourage dissenting opinions.

- sofakinglazy

I'm sure there is more to it than that. If a moderator banned you, there is a reason. Don't act innocent.

- a painefull euphoria

Even if I discounted spelling and grammar, this definately should get an award for "Most ignorant and generally stupid post ever."

There was a never an abuse of power on BR, I would know, because I control all the powers that be on BR. In fact, please, illustrate where this has occured. I'm dying to know.

cB probably "fucks" with people way more than we do. Though I wouldn't know...I generally keep to myself and my own business. I'd be quicker to chide your "staff" as well. You have some good mods, and more bad mods. You elect through popularity contests and your mods fail, time and again, to prevent you from spamming up my boards. Mona Lisa, by not taking any responsibility for the actions of your members, and for ignoring obvious issues we have with each other, you only show your own irresponsibility. I don't know about you, but I'm trying to run a serious site and a serious business. Either get with the program, or "gtfo" as they say.

As for a "booming" site, true, BR had a rough spell. But we're already back to outranking everyone else on pretty much any popular xanga/myspace related search hit, and now that I'm finishing up cleaning up my 2nd generation BR design, our hits are increasing dramatically. I found where cB had linkbacks on BR, and I deleted them all. In fact, I cut BR from cB in every way, shape and form. I don't know why, but we were one of cB's biggest hit and link sources. Clever, but not clever enough. But it's okay.

Oh, and to prove my point, D e a t h . S t a r . R a v e n won't be banned on BR. Because again, I don't ban for arbitrary reasons.

.fire, I know you apologized, and I appreciate it. I really do, it shows a lot of maturity in your case...I know from experience, it's not always the easiest thing to own up to mistakes. Kudos to you.

But you're still banned. And you've done a pretty good job of further deteriorating my paitence towards cB. If you want to come to BR, and contribute, you're welcome. Hell, you're welcome to come, and not say a thing at all, if you wish. But don't come and decide you want to break my rules. I don't care if one of you does it, or all 250,000 of you do. I'll ban you all just the same, not because you're from cB, I honestly don't know where you come from 99% of the time, but because you're being dumb.

Now, either leave BR and myself alone, or let's be friends. But make up your mind, and quit wasting my damn time.

Imagine what we could do for each other if we actually worked together, or affiliated, or what not. I'd like that. But instead, you continue to perpetuate stuff like this.

Posted by: sofakinglazy Dec 1 2006, 12:26 AM

Calm down, I was being sarcastic. Although I was warned twice for "one word" responses. But, If I did somehow upset you in anyway, I am sorry.

Posted by: T0rmented_Soul Dec 1 2006, 12:47 AM

whoah this is some interesting stuff. I didn't know things like this happened.
But yeah people are people, and some tend to act out of disrespect. I can understand how you would want the admin of this site to take action. But maybe a matter like this should've been kept between admin to admin. Though you have your points. but you can't assume that your thread will be flamed. not everyone here in cB is that heartless.

Posted by: salcha4u Dec 1 2006, 12:50 AM

Lol cB is too laid back for us.

Posted by: Vendetta_br Dec 1 2006, 12:54 AM

I had considered this, T0rmented, but unfortunately, anything done in private, is just that - private. Posting things in public ensures that I am held accountable for anything I say, as well as other parties. This is the best guarantee I can think of that ensures EVERYONE gets a fair say in the matter, and then they are held to what they say. And I do entertain thoughts anyone may have in private as well, if they wish to go that route. If they do, all they need do is IM or PM me, and I'll keep it private. Again, it's a good thought though, and I wish it could be done that way, but as an individual and a proffesional journalist, I'm a strong believer in public record. :)

And just as an aside sofakinglazy, it's impossible to do one word responses anymore. You can't post if you don't make a minimum word count now.

Posted by: mona lisa Dec 1 2006, 01:20 AM

I find that offensive, as I am Hindu.

I won't question why you have BR set up the way you do and you are free to ban whoever and however you wish.

No, cB would not do the same. Members aren't banned if they only have a handful of posts and spam. If it's repeatedly done, however, they will be warned and suspensions and bans will be carried out if the situation is extreme. But that rarely occurs. So unless you're talking generally about punishment, no, cB would not do the same.

I didn't know you kept tabs on us. So tell me, what "popularity contests" have you seen during hiring sessions here? There's a reason why someone is hired and why another is not. A thread for member input is always made and sometimes, it seems as though members suggest their friends based on friendship rather than good candidacy, but it doesn't mean all current mods will agree to promote him/her. Someone is promoted if we see good in him/her but if they fail to keep to their duties, they are asked to step down. Still not understanding the comment about popularity contests.

I apologize if you're looking for those members who spam BR to be punished but I will not ban anyone who does so. It is my responsibility to watch over cB, not BR. I should have asked .fire to stop spamming on BR and so I apologize for not doing so. But I don't go asking members to spam BR for the hell of it so I don't think I should have to do anything more than that. It is the member's responsibility and freedom.

It was and is Ju-Sun's view that we not affiliate with anyone. Since this issue has been brought up in the past (about another forum, so I'm not sure if affiliation with BR has been brought up), I am certain of this. I don't have a problem with affiliation but I'm also fine with Ju-Sun's stance on this.

I don't know any of the technical details or anything about the linkbacks but if affiliation has crossed your mind, then why do this?

Posted by: Vendetta_br Dec 1 2006, 02:13 AM

Then you should grasp the concept behind the quote, and not be offended.




You pretty much said exactly what I said using different words. So cB would do no different than I, or my staff would.




Well, I'd be kind of foolish not to watch my biggest competition, wouldn't I? And I've actually been a cB member for more than a year, contrary to this particular account I'm using. One only has to quietly observe the process you use to select your mods to really see it for what it is.



It's become pretty clear you won't punish your members, your lack of control is evident every time I have to deal with the re-occuring situation. And if it's your responsibility to watch over cB, then it is your responsibility to watch over your members. It's not that you ask members to spam BR, that's not the problem -

The problem is you do nothing, absolutely nothing to stop them. And doing nothing is the same as condoning it. And saying you don't have to deal with it is no excuse, because, guess what, I do.



Because, asking me for linkbacks is one thing. Arbitrarily recieving them is another. I'm not really one for goodwill for all and handouts, as such, had you asked to be kicked back on links using BR, I would at least have had a choice in the matter. Getting them anyway is just sneaky and underhanded. At this point, I'm not interested in affiliation, because there will come a point where cB will be an irrelevancy to BR.

But until that time, control your messes, and your immature members. They make ALL of you look bad.

Posted by: Heathasm Dec 1 2006, 04:45 AM

this is so silly
cb does just fine for its self
it doesnt have control over any member that goes to br and posts "dumb" things that make them "losers" that "nobody likes".

the way mods reinforce their rules is fine, it keeps out major conflicts and the community continues to grow with good people which make up the general public you are aiming this at.

i dont see how the admins can know exactly how br acts towards cb members that pull pranks on yourf forums unless they lurk around as you do here, but to me they just seem to be forming their own opinions. i dont see how that bothers you so much to make it such a public issue along with a rant that most of the people here cant control.

also, your accusations are false about the modding system
i'm a former mod and i was hired for my abilities and dedication. i wasnt popular and im not social with very many people on cb yet i made it onto headstaff hmm..why? because i was good at it.

there are going to be problems and there are going to be people who try to go about expressing their opinions in the wrong matter but thats no reason to insult them like you did in this post and act like we all owe you something, especially being in a position of power on br. this just makes for a bad example on that whole forum

Posted by: iRock cB Dec 1 2006, 09:13 AM

Have you ever taken into consideration that it could very well be their opinion and not just spam? I honestly don't believe it's the fact that you have control over your members. That's obsurd to think that. We can't control what every single member does outside of cB, nor can you control what yours do outside of BlogRing. It's simply the fact that your members can't really say anything about this site. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not justifying of members doing what they've done but for us to give disiplinary actions because of what our members have done outside of our control is stupid. Sure, we can ask them not to, and I encourage them not to, however, it's a matter of if they will listen or not. You make it sound like our members are a bunch of savage immature children. That's not the case. Our members don't feel confined here. They feel like they can have fun and, generally, say whatever they want without having a rein of mods all over them. We don't ban everybody and their brother for breaking a few rules. We use banning as a last resort because we want to encourage our members to post here. Maybe that's the secret to success. We know when and when not to draw the line. Our members seem to be very satisfied with the way we do things around here. Sure, there are some that have problems, but we respect that and take it into serious consideration and I believe they know that and respect us more for it.

Mona Lisa may not have seen the hostility. The topic of BR rarely ever comes into discussion. I doubt Mona is observing BlogRings every move. There's really no reason to. Again, we have control over our members here, not what they do outside of here. It'd be a little power hungry for us to do so. Mona is in no way irresponsible. She is basically the heart of this site. I don't know where you got on that kick, but I take that personal. BR is far from perfect itself and if you think having absolute dominance over your members and controlling everything they do is a way to run a site, more power to you. That's probably why we have more members. We don't do that. We have rules here and we enforce them well, but the way we do it seems to be catching on just a tad bit more, wouldn't you say?

Well, not to be rude, but that was about as half assed of an answer you can get. Don't beat around the bush here. Mona asked what "popularity contests" have you seen during hiring sessions here. Either answer it or don't bother trying to avoid it. I really don't see where you got this anyway. Our hiring sessions are very thorough. I was hired fairly new. I had left cB for a year for personal reasons, only being a member a little before that year brake, and I got hired. I wasn't popular in the least bit, but I proved I could do the job. And bad mods? What bad mods? Go ahead, name some and actually give valid reasons. If your going to make accusations, back them up. It makes you look false for not doing so.

And yet you fail to illustrate any of your accusations. Oh, and "occured" is spelled occurred.

Anyway, I'm in school right now, so I can't really reply like I want to, but don't worry, I will definitely get back to you. Bottom line is that you stick to your site and we'll stick to ours.

Posted by: BrandonSaunders Dec 1 2006, 09:41 AM

Damn, BR, you have way too much time on your hands. But whatever makes you happy, kid.

Posted by: icy_wonderland Dec 1 2006, 10:37 AM

Why would you spend time to leave BR to tell us our cB members aren't behaving like you like them to at BR? Our mods don't have control over the members outside of cB. Use your common sense

Posted by: Rachel is love Dec 1 2006, 10:43 AM

THESE ARE JUST FORUMS PEOPLE.

Posted by: Duchess of Dork Dec 1 2006, 10:49 AM

I'm glad to see that things are better for you at BR than http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=127291&st=0.

I do not think that it is necessary nor prudent for me to rehash what has already been said. I will, however, stress one thing: We cannot control what people do at other sites. Surely you know that.

You needed to get something off your chest, and you did.

As an administrator of a Forum, you can exercise the power that you have and continue to ban those who you feel violate your Forum.

Best of luck.

Posted by: BrandonSaunders Dec 1 2006, 01:05 PM

I'm all for forming physical friendships from online communities, but really, this is just the internet, BR. It's not that serious. Don't lose sleep over such petty and trivial things. You're obviously not an idiot, but sometimes its best not to impose intelligence through stoic argument (or try to) and to just use some common sense and let things go.

Posted by: kryogenix Dec 1 2006, 01:40 PM

How's Michael doing anyway?

Posted by: Jeng Dec 1 2006, 03:02 PM

what rachel said. ITS ONLINE. dont take it so seriously. and wow.

Posted by: kryogenix Dec 1 2006, 03:22 PM

Posted by: minioligo Dec 1 2006, 03:36 PM

Hm. Putting my two cents in. Choose to read it or not.

I honestly respected you for putting your opinion out on the table, but this turned me off. Saying something like that is, in my opinion, is absolutely ignorant. You should've chosen another "quote" to try to prove your point in this topic. "As calm as a Hindu cow" was a poor quote to choose from and I think that you are smart enough to know that you should have known better.


Actually, as Mona Lisa said, no. Createblog has their own way of handling its members and also has their own set of rules. Also, I know (from being a former mod) that createblog would not "ban members outright" for just having 1-10 posts on an account with spam. I know for sure that cB has its own warning system and it is for mods to decide what they would do for a member if they ever broke a rule.


If you have a problem with the mods, take it to the Moderator Performance topic in feedback. As for the modding process, the entire community (meaning its members and staff) generally elects the mods they want, and that is what makes the forums happy. Sure, cB does not choose "good mods" every time, but why does every modding process have to be absolutely perfect? Experience with former mods and members is what a forum needs for guidelines and examples. And popularity contests? I think you should try going through the process of electing mods here at cB first before saying something like that. Otherwise, you can shut your mouth about that topic. You do not have the place (actually, nobody does) to choose an exact right or wrong way of how to elect mods and how they do their job.

Createblog has no control over its members and you can do whatever you'd like to them at blogring. If the members and staff team is so bad here at cB, as Brendon said, back it up. You act as if everybody at createblog wants to bash BR in every way. I can honestly say that probably more than half the members here don't even care. The old cB vs. BR feud was over a long time ago.

That's all I have to say.

Posted by: UHH Dec 1 2006, 04:12 PM

seriously. do you have to make such a big deal about it?

Posted by: Pl-dot-lS Dec 1 2006, 05:01 PM

It's all about pride.

Posted by: Spirited Away Dec 1 2006, 06:16 PM

Fed up with cB not being able to "control" its members? Might as well be fed up with the police not being able to prevent all crimes or catch all the criminals. Well, if you are, I don't blame you, but I would smile at how small the world is in your eyes. It seems the time you took to be "concise" and "elegant" should have been invested in reorganizing your common sense.

While I understand your upset at a few cB members for abusing their welcome at BR, the situation can hardly be anyone's fault except for those who chose to be spammers at your forum.

Since you presented a problem that cannot logically be said to be anyone's fault (you're welcome to argue this because you seem to think Mona or admins are to blame), maybe you could explain what you would do in Mona's shoes? And if you would have liked to see these spammers punished though, I think you could have tried a different tactic, that is, a less accusing one.

Posted by: showme Dec 1 2006, 07:30 PM

Okay, sofakinglazy is just dumb sometimes and a painefull euphoria is pregnant, single, and not receiving child support.


Seriously though...this is just going to lead to more problems, because I know for a fact theres other forum members who would love to join the forum hi jack team.

We're all fun and games here at createblog, You're way too serious, do you get paid for being Admin? Is that why this is soo SUPA DUPA IMPORTANT TO YOU?

Posted by: kryogenix Dec 1 2006, 07:57 PM

Fun and games at createblog?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

...


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

...

that's so funny.

Posted by: Spirited Away Dec 1 2006, 07:58 PM

... i must reluctantly agree with you.

Posted by: iRock cB Dec 1 2006, 07:59 PM

Well, I don't get paid, but I'm definitely dedicated to this site. I love cB. A forum should be made to be a place where members can have fun. Not be oppressed by mods. That's not our job. We're here to watch you and make sure you follow the rules, but there's a difference in being a leader and a tyrant.

Posted by: BrandonSaunders Dec 1 2006, 08:00 PM

This is somewhat entertaining.

Posted by: digital.fragrance Dec 1 2006, 08:01 PM

Yep, this is just a forum.
And we don't control our members. That would be infringing upon their Consitutional rights

Posted by: Smoogrish Dec 1 2006, 08:55 PM

I don't see how mods are selected by popularity, either. Sure, at cB we ask for member input as to which people are potential candidates, but it's not the only deciding factor. We won't select incompetent people just because their friends said they would be great for the job. It's important to select staff based on dedication and capabilities, but if you're a community-driven site, what's the use of having mods that the community doesn't support?





Okay, that is ridiculous beyond the point of comprehension. You complain that our members are rude? You come to cB, telling us our members are immature and offensive, and then insult people's religions? I don't see how one could possibly "grasp the concept behind the quote" and not be offended. What kind of puerile "concept" do you see in that? Sure, spamming for the sake of irritating people is pretty immature, but insulting people's religions is just inane.



Brenden is right. Judging from the link that Rebecca posted, and reading through that whole conversation (pretty pathetic, hmm?), BR sounds controlling. I don't have any influence on the way you run things, but really. Step back and look at your situation. You have members leaving BR to come to cB, and why is that? It's not because of our members going to spam your forums, it's because they don't like the way you run things. Taking your drama from BR and dragging it over to cB isn't mature. Especially taking the time just to come over here, and attempt to turn our minds against Mic and Jamie. You can't just judge people from rumors you hear. I'm not taking sides, I'm just disturbed by the fact that your "friendly" mods came over to cB just to insult former members who perhaps just wanted a break from BR. No, you're not them, but if you're taking the actions of a few to judge all of us here at cB, how does that reflect on you?

Posted by: showme Dec 1 2006, 09:03 PM

should we get hijack ready?

Posted by: T0rmented_Soul Dec 1 2006, 09:10 PM

Lol People are people. People can freely express them selves. If people feel that way about BR sure then why not express it. Here at cB people enjoy them selves. Make new friends. A happy community/Forum Mods here are great. and the People are wonderful. No one controls one another but every one respects the rules, and if they don't they well the pay the consequences.
I can aggree with the others here, your Rules over there may seem overwhelming and unfair. Don't be so limited and restricted. People don't like being around that kind of crowd. Loosen up. A forum is a forum. What point are you trying to prove.

Posted by: BrandonSaunders Dec 1 2006, 09:28 PM

Remember when I got an entire dorm to join the 'Free BrandonSaunders' campaign?

I can organize that sort of chaos for BlogRing if need be. Would it be immature and childish? Of course it would be! Would we all get a laugh out it? Yes. And I'd promptly end it with making this so-called moderator look like a jackass.

But its just a thought.

If this were combat, we wouldn't have an issue at all.

Posted by: iRock cB Dec 1 2006, 09:28 PM

No, that would be foolish and put flame to their fire. Just cool it. That's the best way. Please, don't give them any more reason to come over here and bother us.

Posted by: T0rmented_Soul Dec 1 2006, 09:32 PM

lol cB is a great forum. and we have many talented people here. Like designers that attracts people here. people like their designs so they want to join our community, which is awesome. and full of uhhhm the special zing to it. lol

Posted by: Quarantine. Dec 1 2006, 09:38 PM

technically if someone came to BR to do what they wanted as they were also from cB, wouldn't it be the own persons responsibility for being a retard, not cB's? Because cB never told anyone to go over there and spam, so in reality you can't blame cB.








Pwned.

Posted by: Statues/Shadows Dec 1 2006, 11:05 PM

I'm going to try stay out of this, but I cannot help point out that cB members have suggested that our modding methods were little more than popularity contests before.

Also a bit amusing how cB is "a great forum" when you have to defend it, but the rest of the time you complain about it being bored and whatnot.

Just saying. I've little pacience for hypocrites today.

Posted by: digital.fragrance Dec 1 2006, 11:14 PM

Createblog is like the United States.

We're always griping and complaining about our government and it's methods, but in reality, it's one of the best places in the world to live. When people insult us, or kill thousands of people, all of us ban together and defend our homeland.

Kinda of a drastic comparison, but true none the less.

Posted by: Heathasm Dec 1 2006, 11:20 PM

you have a good point digifrag

to you guys saying "its just the internet": the internet is a big part of my life. my bf hates it and thinks its stupid but he cant grasp the concept that places like cb helped me learn alot of things which will have a bigger effect on my life other than personality and having a good time in my spare time.

Posted by: Statues/Shadows Dec 1 2006, 11:21 PM

No, not that drastic. I was kind of thinking the same thing as I typed it. However, that sort of thing annoys the hell out of me anyway, so meh.

And Heather, I agree. It's really bothersome how overused "it's just the internet" is overused when convenient for people.

But don't mind me, I'm pretty ticked off right now from completely irrelevant things.

Posted by: Arjuna Capulong Dec 2 2006, 12:29 AM

I agree. The internet is a powerful medium. It's a place where you can express yourself, be heard out, acquire knowledge, kill some time, and all in all, it's a very effective business tool for people who do that kind of thing.

True, it's probably not too healthy to take the internet too seriously, except maybe if it really is that significant to you (I'm thinking mainly career-wise), though it's not "just the internet."

Posted by: Heathasm Dec 2 2006, 01:26 AM

^^pretty much, im glad people agree ;o;

when you start hurting yourself or getting physically sick over shit like this then maybe you can poke fun at the people getting all into the topic.

other than that it just irritates me that people will come into a thread just to say its just the internet so they feel they have properly flamed everyone


and nate(god i hope thats your name, i know ive talked to you before but im not sure its right) you're right its way too overused -_-;

Posted by: No Fear Dec 2 2006, 01:55 AM

Why don't we just make this easier for everyone. The strongest fighter of BR and CB come to NYC and duke it out. That way everyone's happy! I've perfected Raikiri.

I'm bored and sleepy.

Posted by: kryogenix Dec 2 2006, 02:03 AM

Unless micron comes back, I root for the destruction of both.

Posted by: x_angawhomps Dec 2 2006, 02:11 AM

WOW, lawlz man, just chill.

Posted by: Heathasm Dec 2 2006, 02:21 AM

yes we need some kind of extremeeeee sport here to solve the dilema

Posted by: rAwritsgWeg Dec 2 2006, 03:44 AM

Wow. So people really do these kinds of things. Hmm, I feel ashamed. The fact that we have people that go to another forum, and just say random/offensive things. Wow. Speechless

Posted by: Mistress Bags Dec 2 2006, 06:35 AM

I'm not going to really say anything for either side, since as a member of both sites, I can see both perspectives.

However, I would like to add that on Blogring, we do not ban for silly reasons. In the past year and a half that I've been a moderator there, few people have ever been banned, and they have all been banned for good reasons. Opinions, no matter how ignorant they sometimes are, are always encouraged. We do, however, have to draw the line somewhere. Rules are rules, and that, I'm sure everyone can understand.

I definitely hold no hostile attitude towards cB, especially since I have many friends here, and I hope none here are ignorant and foolish enough to hold grudges against me for being a proud member of Blogring.

Cheer up, everyone. :)

Posted by: chaneun Dec 2 2006, 10:15 AM

im just going to reply to this.


BR is making this even worse by complaining here about it. Admins, just ban them from BR. It's that simple. You don't have to come here to complain, as you might be provoking the members even more to go over to BR and spam.

And if you said "it's just the internet," then why do you spend hours on work to showcase here on the forums without pay?

I'm not defending any side or siding with anyone. :)
when's the hijack?

Posted by: Statues/Shadows Dec 2 2006, 11:11 AM

Unless someone else said something about overused, I'm Nicki :waves: I guess you just hadn't been here since I changed usernames?

And Christine, I think you missed part of the point.

Posted by: Libertie Dec 2 2006, 11:34 AM

My thoughts exactly. This is exhausting.

Also, Mic, I don't mind that you've come here to share your thoughts, but I don't feel that there's anything wrong with the systems we have in place for discipline and hiring. I don't think that's the issue here, but I don't see why we can't try to help out if that's what you want. Maybe we could punish people who are proven to have come there from here the same way we would if they were to spam on our forums?

Posted by: Vendetta_br Dec 2 2006, 12:18 PM

You guys are making a really big deal over hiring process, mods, etc.

That was maybe 5% of my original post, and I don't know why you guys feel the need to vehemently defend cB, unless it's a twange of guilt. Again, in case any of you missed:

My purpose here is NOT to bash cB.

You're calling me rude and childish, which is fine, I expected that. I'm listening to the people that are legitimately arguing my points, and some of you argue very well, and I thank you for the thought.

But before I say anything else, for the handful of you who are saying

"OMG WTF TEH INTRAWEBS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS! WTF WHY IS THIS SUCH A BIG DEAL TO YOU DO YOU GET PAID OR SOMETHING OMG?!"

First, it IS serious business. It's serious business because, like the creators of cB, I've poured thousands of hours into the site, and, on my end, I know we've spent close to twenty thousand dollars in the past six months in hardware, firmware, code, back end, and front end upgrades. It's still a mess because we're not done, but it will look real nice when it's fixed up.

So yes, it's serious business. It's serious business because I have a fat wad of change and time in my site, so you'll have to excuse me if I roll my eyes at these comments. Unless you've taken on the monumental task of running a site like myself, or your mods and admins at cB have, then you really have no idea.

Although I've read two pages of 75% slander, some of you have seen past any indignation and anger to cut to the heart of my matter here.

Libertie actually summed it up in the last part of her post:

That's all I'm asking, really. If I had BR members who blatantly came to cB to spam and cause havok, and if someone came to me and asked for help, you'd bet your ass I'd jump on it. Not because I like to punish people, but because it's the right thing to do. It's common courtesy. I don't see what's so unreasonable about doing this.

I think we've rather balkanised the situation, and it's something that's occured on both ends. Let's remember a coulpe things:

1) Other than my members typing in www.blogring.net, and you guys typing in www.createblog.com, we are exactly the same people. Both our sites members fit roughly the exact same age demagraphic, have the same interests, and generally are posessant the same personality traits. Had Mona Lisa came to BR, and posted exactly what i did here, the reaction, too, would have been the same.

2) Although feuding is all well and good, let's remember one thing. We sit at the top of a very large pyramid, and they're are a thousand other sites snapping at our ankles to try and topple us. Search anything myspace/xanga related, you're going to see two sites predominately:

Blogring, and Createblog. Do you know how hard we BOTH worked to get there? How hard it's going to be in the future, with the rising popularity of personal pages and blogs, to STAY there? We're on the top of the food chain, we can both take pride in that. But if we waste our time battling each other, you can also bet there will be scavengers and bottom feeders waiting to rip us apart.

3) Again, what I'm asking is not unreasonable. I'm not pointing a gun at your head and demanding you do this and not expect the same from myself. If there are problems, they need to be worked out. Talked out, discussed. Instead of arguing for pages, which I don't have a problem doing but don't see a point end, let's discuss the problem before us, and word on a legitimate solution, thusly shaking the foundations of the internets. Because I'm fairly sure working together has never been done online.

I'm just asking for the spam to stop. Some people here want to do it, I'm sure, they want to come to BR just to stir the bad air.

- BrandonSaunders

This is pretty much indicative of the attitude that shouldn't exist. Brandon, you'd be better to act as an example to your peers rather than some engine of havok. People would like you more, I would like you more, cB and BR would like you more, and you wouldn't make people think you were 12. And I'm not a "so-called moderator". The so-called moderators work for me. Thanks. ;)

It's the attitudes like this that don't exist on my site. Why? Because we encourage an atmosphere of acceptance. If every member of cB, like I said, came to BR with good intentions, they'd be welcomed with open arms.

Quit turning this into a "save teh respectz of cB" thread and let's treat it for what it really is:

I have a grievance, I need your help to work it out. I. Need. YOUR. Help. I can't do it on my own, that's why I'm coming to you.

But for those of you who aren't wanting to do that, who have just jumped the shark with the defense:



Mirrored my thoughts.

Posted by: a painefull euphoria Dec 2 2006, 12:58 PM

vendetta.
your a great Administrator i do admit.
along with mona lisa on cb
i left br beacuse i was there since 2004 i forget
and i still felt like an outsider.
ive only been at cb a month and ive made friends here
people here actualy know my name.
i actualy have a face here.

as death star i was just death star. i wanted to be diana.


bash me if youd like tear my post apart tell me i as a bad br member. i know i was.

however i wont be replying in this post again nor will i be reading it again. if theres something you want to say to me. PM me
i find this a fight that wont die down and i dont want to get fired up beacuse as you can tell from my remark about br i do get fired up about things.even if my remark was stupid or offencive so its best that i not enter this thread again


id like to apologize for the remark i was quoted for earlyer in this post.
im asking for my remark to be forgotton as stupid trash that came out of my mouth for i am truely sorry

like i said you can bash me but just know i take back what i said.
blogring isnt a big popularity contest.

and as for you not banning me.
even tho i see no reason for it being a option beacasue i have not come on your board to bash you and your members. nor have i asulted you directly to your face.or spamed about how "Cb rOcKs DuUuDe" i thank you
i still use some br layouts.and even thogh i was a moron and said certain things
but still im thankful. thats the most mercy ive been shown on a forum ever..


so thanks.for the years at br.

as now its time for my new journey here at cb


peace.
diana aka a painefull euphoria
or death star raven.

Posted by: BrandonSaunders Dec 2 2006, 01:25 PM

Something directed towards me? How lovely as I wait for my flight to Japan!

-Wreaking organized havoc for the sake of 'rebuilding a country' is what I do for a living. Not much is going to change on internet forum.

-I'm not trying to please anyone here or win them over. I could care less who likes me more or less for whatever reason.

-They work for you? Touche.

-From my perspective, being that I don't really care much at all about these childish bickering, you could have avoided a lot of this if you would have not posted this publicly. Most online forums are like high school and they thrive off of drama (even if it doesn't involve them). When there's an issue between sites, it would probably be better if you spoke to someone who mirrored position on cb side. Then again, analyzing our site and picking at problems that aren't really as serious as they seem did a lot for forum activity.

Posted by: Spiritual Winged Aura Dec 3 2006, 05:29 PM

Hello there. You will learn to get over it. Deal with it. Problem will continue. You can't stop it. You don't have access to everyone's computer to stop them for spamming. No matter what you do, there's always spam and hostile. bringing this topic up will not solve the problem about spamming in your website.






That's just a general post. You should let mircon know about the problems. Talk to him. He can do something about it. After all, he's the respectable creator of createblog.com.

Posted by: showme Dec 3 2006, 06:36 PM

So is there lots of money invovled with blogring? twenty grand kind of seems extreme(and kind of high for your site w/ all the little kiddie points and stuff)...I hope you were not being serious.

Posted by: No Fear Dec 4 2006, 02:53 AM

Shall this be the rebirth of the Republic?

I don't know Vendetta, I think you're making a big fuss of something so small. I mean your site still exists right? No one hacked into the mainframe and deleted all your hardwork. So you're complaining over little shit...

Posted by: Vendetta_br Dec 4 2006, 09:44 AM

First, Showme, it takes an incredible amount of money to pay for the amount of bandwidth we use, especially since I'm running blogring in an advertisement free space right now, until our upgrade is done. Secondly, it takes a lot of money to get a proffesional programmer to help me code... I'm a journalist, not an IT proffesional. Even if your audience is younger, doesn't mean they should be shorted on qaulity.

And No Fear, if it's just some little shit... it shouldn't be that hard to fix, should it.

Posted by: Libertie Dec 4 2006, 10:24 AM

Look, I understand why Mic has come here with a complaint and I admit that we (the general "we") have been unreceptive towards him in that regard - this topic should never have gotten to three pages of bickering. I didn't gather any hostility in the first post, so there is no reason for us to have been defensive and/or rude to him for it.

Normally I would say that we have no control over what happens outside of cB, but we do know for a fact that a large group of members from our forums has been trolling BR for quite some time now. While we may or may not be doing anything to encourage this behavior, we certainly aren't doing anything to discourage it.

When our members think it's funny to continuously harrass what might be considered a "competing" website, it creates an even bigger rift between the two communities. If we want to have a somewhat peaceful relationship with BR the way we say we do, why not agree to help them out?

Posted by: Duchess of Dork Dec 4 2006, 10:34 AM

What Dani is saying is valid and do-able. We can discourage members from trolling BR, we just can't ultimately prevent it.

Posted by: Vendetta_br Dec 4 2006, 12:12 PM

Dani (Libertie) has said a lot that mirrors what is on my heart and mind, and I agree with it. It goes both ways. I can't totally prevent people from trolling cB, but I discourage it strongly, and punish those I catch, and unless I'm missing something, I think cB remains relatively unharassed by BR.

I think her last two paragraphs sum an even ground that I think we both can meet on. :)

Posted by: Quarantine. Dec 4 2006, 12:58 PM

um yeah okay some of us have, maybe not as big a blogring but yes some of have.

and even if it wasn't a website, i know theres a lot of designers here at cB (well duh) and they spend the same amount of time dealing with stuff as much as someone would with making a website.

i'm not trying to be mean or anything, i'm just trying to point something out and prove a point.

Posted by: mzkandi Dec 4 2006, 01:04 PM

I'm moving this to feedback because it really doesn't belong in the Lounge.

Posted by: Frénésie Dec 4 2006, 02:21 PM

Here I was, telling James that he took the internet seriously but wow. Just wow. Wow. *Grabs popcorn*.

Posted by: Libertie Dec 4 2006, 02:41 PM

I will make this very clear now:

This topic has a specific purpose, and any post that is not meant to contribute to that purpose will be regarded as spam.

The issue here is what to do as far as CB members who are openly trolling at BR, and I'm suggesting that we treat them here the same way we would treat a spammer on our own forums. I will quote my post for those who apparently missed it:

What I would like is feedback on this suggestion, does anyone see anything wrong with taking this course of action from now on?

Posted by: a painefull euphoria Dec 4 2006, 03:04 PM

i agree 100 percent.
even though im no mod

the way you act on this forum.
you should act on other forums.
even if your more "loyal" to one over the other.
and if your busted by what i will all your " home forum"[ie: creating a account for spaming on BR and you are a member of CB]
then i think it becomes that home forum's jurisdiction as to the proper punishment

or am i reading Libertie's suggestion wrong? = /

Posted by: Quarantine. Dec 4 2006, 03:13 PM

if i'm analyzing your response right heres mine,
cB can't be responsible for other people's actions, or else cB would be controlling us which would be insane. it is the own persons responsibility for taking a stupid action.

example for when i said "cB can't be responsible for other people's actions."

lets say you have two schools, we'll call school no.1 united and we'll call school no.2 states
now lets say theres a student named Betty, and she currently goes to united. Betty is planning on viewing other school options for the next school year and she goes to states to view it. now lets say shes there for a tour and gets to fallow a student around with their schedule and everything, so she gets to view one class and acts up and says "oh my gosh united is so better, this school is crap!" well you can't blame united for Betty's behavior now can you?

people control their own actions, they have to think for themselves, they're the ones that are making them self type something stupid at br.

i hope you understand.

Posted by: Statues/Shadows Dec 4 2006, 03:55 PM

^I cannot remember your name, but I don't think your analogy's particularly relevant.

Look at it like this. There's two rival schools - I'm not going to name them - and they've both got really good football teams, so they get pretty into it and all. People from the one school go and vandalize the other, and it's totally not either school's fault, and people should be responsible for their own actions. However, they aren't. Thus, it is the school's responsibility to punish the vandals to prevent the rivalry from worsening. It would no good for the administrators to just sit around blame the other school for provocation, and suggest that the school that was vandalized is making things worse by objecting.

That's pretty much the situation here. No, no one objects cB to "control" it's members and be able to prevent all spamming to occur (especially when you consider it can't control its own members' spam ), but that doesn't mean that the admins can't do something to keep it from worsening. The effort's what counts.

And yes, Dani's exactly right.

Posted by: Infinite. Dec 4 2006, 04:28 PM

Well to be honest I agree with Steven, you aren't ever going to be able to stop it. Simple as that, if you want to bring it up with someone that will actually do something about it contact Micron about it, hes the owner and if he really sees some big concern in the problem then he'll do something about it.

Posted by: Duchess of Dork Dec 4 2006, 05:22 PM

We are going to keep going around and around about this until people start actually reading.

I will echo the following:

Please just provide feedback regarding whether or not punishment should be administered (for lack of a better word) here at cB for trolling/spamming at other boards, particularly BR.

Here's my opinion-
Yes, but not to the extent that staff here monitors what goes on at other boards. If someone on BR staff (or a member of BR for that matter) is seeing that type of behavior, alert a staff member at cB, then they should absolutely be treated in the same manner as if they were trolling/spamming here.


I'm with you, except for the contact micron part. Contact should be with Administrators and Moderators. I would say for moderators, go with Admin/Head/People, as I imagine the trolling/spamming is more than likely to occur in a forum likely to be moderated by People Staff, as opposed to Design-y staff. Although any moderator can warn, suspend, etc.

One more thing -

Just wanted to echo that too.

Posted by: Libertie Dec 4 2006, 05:25 PM

^But out of respect for the other community, I don't see why we shouldn't set an example by discouraging our members from that type of behavior.

Nobody said we were going to stop this from happening - As Nicki said, we can't prevent spam on our own forums, right? But we still punish it nonetheless. That's what I'm proposing here.

Posted by: Duchess of Dork Dec 4 2006, 05:27 PM

Oh absolutely Dani, I think I said something to that effect in an earlier response.

Ahhh yes.

Point being, we totally should discourage (that's more blatent, I suppose) spamming/trolling anywhere.

Posted by: Libertie Dec 4 2006, 05:29 PM

(sorry Rebecca, my post was directed at Holly's response, I just posted a bit too late)

Posted by: Vendetta_br Dec 4 2006, 06:14 PM

Again, for those of you with the concern, I am not advocating gestapo control here.

But in my mind, if you have spammers, and members you know to spam, with the sole purpose of coming from cB to spam BR, then that needs to be nipped in the bud, so to speak. By wiping your hands of the matter, and saying, "Well, you know, free will and all, it's not my problem," that's tantamount to condoning it.

As someone once said, "All good men have to do to allow evil to triumph is to do nothing." Buty instead of analogies, let me give a real life example.

When I took power over BR long ago, there WAS indeed an anti-cB movement, and I saw it as a growing problem. There were still a lot of ill feelings because of certain events that occured long in our pasts.

Now, knowing this was going on, I knew no good could come of it, it would be bad for the relationship we share as two different communities, and bad PR on my end. To allow it to happen would make me look innefectual and my staff unaware, and that was something I would not allow.

Fortunately, I had a fairly good idea of where the dissention was coming from, and popped in, simply saying, "Technically speaking, I can't prevent you from spamming cB. But if you do, they're going to punish you. And if I find out, I'm going to punish you. You're being nothing but a nuisance, and if you think you're doing this out of support of BR, you're wrong, because I don't support it, and I don't support you if you do it."

Once the dissaproval of the site as a whole, my staff, and my administration was made clear, it died away. They realised that I wouldn't treat them any differently as any other spammer.

Likewise, I treat any cB member who comes to BR with the explicit intent to spam or cause ill will with the same prejudice. And as BR members with good intent are welcomed on cB, so are they on BR.

I believe in working relationships, and I believe in proffesional relationships. Even if we can't be "friends" (Though I wish we could, and we'll see in the future, especially with the growing heat of competition...we might indeed need to turn to one another), then I believe we should at least be amiable. And if cB came to BR with a problem, I'd handle it appropriately.

Vice versa I would expect it here. You have my word, I will continue to diligently control anti-cB opinion and spam on my website. All I ask is the same courtesy in return. Relationships are not forged in one action, Rome was not built overnight. But working together on this matter, perhaps we can start laying the groundwork for greater cooperation in the future.

Posted by: Infinite. Dec 4 2006, 07:57 PM

Yea I'm not saying we can set an example, I'm all for that. I think its really disresptful for our members to go on blogring and bash it or spam it. But its really nothing we can stop in the end, people will do whatever they want to do. Its sad that people want to be that immature about it but -shrugs- its the truth.

Posted by: mona lisa Dec 4 2006, 08:11 PM

I just had to come on for a minute or two and say that I realize where I went wrong in saying it doesn't happen on cB so cB (I) doesn't (don't) have control over it.

I'm fine with punishing the member as if he/she were spamming on cB. I.e. starting off with a verbal or even a raised warning level and going up from there if it continues, though I don't think/hope it will. It probably has become a great nuisance to you to have some of cB's members ridiculously spamming on BR and so I apologize.

*back to studying*

Posted by: digital.fragrance Dec 4 2006, 09:38 PM

Okay.

So I've read this and here's my two cents, as a moderator.

1) I have contributed a bunch of Xanga layouts to BR in the past, and I know how much you guys hate spamming and value yourselves as a community. I strove to kept myself unbiased. I succeeded, but there are some things that I like about cB more than BR. That doesn't matter. Now that that is established:

2) I agree with punishing our members that spam on BR that our "home members" the same as we would in any normal spamming case. It mirrors US federal law when people commit crimes in foreign countries... therefore, I agree.

3) I think that there should be a constant communication flow between Admins/mods of both sites. You know, IP address sharing, updates on spam reports and so on.

4) I think, though there are pros and cons to both websites and differing opinions, that we need to start working together in harmony. It would foster positive outcomes.

Posted by: mzkandi Dec 5 2006, 12:16 AM

Maybe you mean the generally "we" or a specfic group of members on this forum but I wasn't aware of a group of people doing this. And I think it's safe to assume that there a bunch of other people who may not be aware. Could you please PM me more info about this group of people.

My thing is this, and it may have already been stated, but there so many posts in this thread that don't deal with the matter at hand that I don't know. They key here is communication. Please don't automatically expect us to know who is spamming on your forum at any particular time even if they are regular members of this forum. Maybe I'm out of the loop or don't go in chat much but I haven't heard anything about a group spammers going on at BR from any mod or member. With that said and with the lines of communication open, I can see about punishing members that go to BR with the sole purpose of doing the forum harm but don't expect us to know who these people are all the time. If you have an issue with a member of our forum on your site please to let us know so we can do something about it and vice versa. And if we happened to find out about this sort of activity through our board then it our staff's responsibility to handle the matter in a timely fashion. From there if that member is indeed found quilty of the offense then they would be issued the same punishment as any other spammer.

I agree that the hostility between the two sites has gone on far enough and I'm ready to do anything in my power to mediate the problem.

Posted by: Vendetta_br Dec 5 2006, 01:08 AM

I believe if we wish to alleviate problems occuring between us, the site administrators should remain in constant contact. I'm willing to work with cB in any matter that is deemed necessary. I think this matter is just the first step.

If you need my contact information, go ahead and PM me here and I'll respond. If we can alleviate the spamming problem, perhaps we can work towards other, positive ends. As mzkandi said...the hostility has gone on long enough.

Posted by: krnxswat Dec 5 2006, 02:14 AM

This is so childish.

Posted by: No Fear Dec 5 2006, 03:00 AM

^ Tell me about it, this isn't Sony vs. Microsoft....

Posted by: krnxswat Dec 5 2006, 04:27 AM

Tell you about what?

Posted by: jumpropeforheart Dec 5 2006, 04:34 PM

mmhmmi would now like my money and i'm being serious.

Posted by: Vendetta_br Dec 5 2006, 06:34 PM

The last three posts are useless, but:

jumpropeforheart: I think you misconstrued what she said, since she's been a fairly active member of cB for close to a year.

krnxswat...No Fear...

Do I need to link the posts where your mods and admins told you to stay on topic, or can you find them yourself? (BTW, comparing Microsoft to Sony is ridiculous, we all know Sony is going the way of Sega. <3 )

We're having good discussion here, I'd like it to continue, I am learning a lot and am valuing what constructive things and ideas people are sharing here. Something good will work out, I know it!

Posted by: Arjuna Capulong Dec 5 2006, 09:02 PM

So, the message I'm getting is that you want cB and BR to cooperate with each other to improve one another, but, at the same time, remain individuals.

There's been a lot of ideas of cooperation between the two sites, though, and I'm probably thinking way, way ahead of myself, I've always wondered what would have happened if cB and BR actually merged together, being that we have somewhat common interests, common services, etc, and if we'd be cooperating so much, why not break the barrier.

Though, I understand that it would be incredibly difficult to try doing that, if not impossible without considering the more significant aspects of the two websites (the owners, the money that's made, servers, etc.), having to deal with all the members, moving things, all that jazz.

It's an extreme idea, though it's been floating around in my head for a while.
I'll let it float around here too, even though I'm probably not the only one who's had similar ideas.

Posted by: jumpropeforheart Dec 5 2006, 10:21 PM

in no way is it misconstrued. perhaps you should try reading it yourself because it is from a topic in which criss has mentioned about how she liked the idea of our lounge being "unmoderated". that then led her to the conclusion of which was quoted.

anyway, i know of criss and how active she's been on cB. i've talked to her on br about many random things and found out it was her behind Mistress Bags back when she made the username.

in short, i dont want to be involved in this, but i thought that 100 dollars wouldn't hurt. maybe you shouldn't speak so big if you can't deliver. truthfully, i read the first post and left after that because i think this is stupid, but couldn't pass up free money.

Posted by: sadolakced acid Dec 6 2006, 01:17 AM

blogring.

i don't know who you are or where you come from, but i don't like you.

you're quite a stickler for rules. an authority figure.

WELL BULLY FOR YOU.

anyways, i never even knew about BR's existance till this 'anti-hostility mandate' was posted.

seriously. are CB admins going to BR posting 'anti-hostility mandates' there as well?

boo-hoo. you're an admin of an online forum, and someone's spamming you. So you tighten down the rules and shove that ---- further up. You know who else did that? the COMMIES.

you're lucky we don't go spread democracy to you.

sometimes you've got to be man enough to let someone take a crack at your balls.

Sure, come over here and beg for a truce. You're not going to get one, you commie. This is CB. We are totally free to support our administrators here.

So you know what, you can go down, just like the stupid part of xanga you're named for.

blogring.

and that's the word.

(this post is a side effect of watching the colbert report. another post can be found tommorrow after 12, 11 central.)

Posted by: Vendetta_br Dec 6 2006, 01:35 AM

^^ If you have nothing to say that makes any logical sense, then please, spare me. I have neither the time nor the inclination to deal with idiots. But good attempt at sounding like an internet badass, I bet you're feeling like a real man now. I even venture a guess that you went back and read your post after you wrote it, you know, because you're that clever.

Quit wasting my time. If you think you're little rant affects me in the slightest or "pwns" me in any way, get a clue. You mean nothing to me.

jumpropeofheart, again, learn to read and interpret damn posts, quote jockey.

Las I checked, this wasn't BR, was it.


Arjuna, it's a nice idea, but you're right, we're two different sites with two different owners, server resources, staff, and incomes and financial situations. It'd be endlessly complex. Not that I'd not be willing to discuss it at the least, but it'd be EXTREMELY complex to pull off.

Does anyone have anything else, or can I go and try and reach administrators privately after I consult my staff about our possible resolution?

Posted by: sadolakced acid Dec 6 2006, 01:37 AM

well, someone lacks a sense of humor, or an idea of who stephen colbert, the greatest man on earth is.

sheesh.

Posted by: Spirited Away Dec 6 2006, 01:58 AM

Justin, he/she doesn't have time to spare his/her sense of humor on you. Cease wasting time or you shall be destroyed/banned as is the trend that is being promoted. Anyone who wastes admins' time shall be banned... or punished so very completely.

Posted by: sadolakced acid Dec 6 2006, 01:59 AM

well who made that rule?

it seems totalitarian, almost hitleresque.

i'm not too sure, but i think democracy needs defending.

Posted by: Vendetta_br Dec 6 2006, 02:10 AM

//edit Nevermind, I'm not getting drug into a stupid argument.

Posted by: Spirited Away Dec 6 2006, 02:18 AM

Justin... And I agree, but since there is a perceived rise in "hostility" (a.k.a. increased workload for the BR admin), he/she wants CB to assist in mitigating the bad blood. That amounts to no time wasting because work at BR is difficult enough without CBers wrecking havoc and raping the delicate minds of BR members, my friend.

(I do believe he/she called you an idiot, albeit with some class).

If this partnership is establish and cross-forum spammers are banned, I do suggest that CB change its "community driven" logo to something less tasteful, or else it will run the risk of advertising falsely. After all, no community is complete without the aforementioned time-wasters and useless spammers.

Posted by: Arjuna Capulong Dec 6 2006, 05:08 PM

Well, how far do you want to go with the whole partnership thing?

I was thinking, maybe we could have some place (I had a forum in mind) where admins and moderators coming from both cB and BR could hold discussions. There, the opinions on issues, ideas, all that sort, could be gathered from both sides. And I'm sure that would help keep each other in the know about the two sites.

I suppose you could get the some of the same basic information from just admins, but I thought it'd be nice to have the thoughts of more people.

I'm actually interested right now in what BR has been saying about this whole thing.

Posted by: mzkandi Dec 6 2006, 05:13 PM

The only thing about that idea is it would have to through micron and have his approval. I'm not comfortable doing something like that without his knowledge and permission. So, as of right now that idea would be a no-go.

I don't think we should think too far ahead of ourselves and deal with the issue of spamming. If there are any other issues outside of this that a BR admin would like to discuss then they are free to PM me or Mona.

Posted by: iRock cB Dec 6 2006, 06:49 PM

First of all, I don't like seeing BR, cB, and "combining" in the same sentence. That would be chaos. I'm cool with cooperation, but I enjoy the two being totally separate.

We're already working on our own solution, so, no, thanks.

Also, stop calling our members names. You've been doing it thought this entire thread. It makes you look like a child. How old are you anyway? Even if they are acting childish, just because you don't agree with their opinion doesn't mean you have a right to name call. You, of all people, are suppose to be professional here.

Oh, and BTW: "Well, not to be rude, but that was about as half assed of an answer you can get. Don't beat around the bush here. Mona asked what "popularity contests" have you seen during hiring sessions here. Either answer it or don't bother trying to avoid it. I really don't see where you got this anyway. Our hiring sessions are very thorough. I was hired fairly new. I had left cB for a year for personal reasons, only being a member a little before that year brake, and I got hired. I wasn't popular in the least bit, but I proved I could do the job. And bad mods? What bad mods? Go ahead, name some and actually give valid reasons. If your going to make accusations, back them up. It makes you look false for not doing so.

And yet you fail to illustrate any of your accusations. Oh, and "occured" is spelled occurred."

I'm still waiting for a reply.

Posted by: krnxswat Dec 6 2006, 07:14 PM

Nah, Michael suggested to Jusun waaaayyyy before, and, of course, we declined. Just because cB is superior and blogring is inferior, as everyone knows it.

Posted by: Smoogrish Dec 6 2006, 07:25 PM

^ I don't like the idea of cB and BR even working together, and even if we did manage to come to some sort of truce and agree to "work together", I doubt everyone can overcome their differences and manage to truly be partners.

And what is there to discuss between the two forums, anyways?

Posted by: Vendetta_br Dec 6 2006, 08:22 PM

I can see that now.

I withdraw from the table at this time, and henceforth. I can see that working together on anything is an impossibility. And that's fine. I draw the line in the sand.

I had hoped, in the spirit of goodwill and cooperation, we could work together. But many of you, even among staff, have shown an objective refusal to even cooperate on the most basic of matters, those that might be beneficial to us both.

But never accuse me of being arrogant, when many of you illustrate your own pretty clearly. Many of you can't get over our petty differences to get anything done. But I'm done with cB. I'll handle it, forget it. I'll see you all from the other side of the fence.

Posted by: mona lisa Dec 6 2006, 09:12 PM

I don't understand why you're jumping to conclusions.

I agree with Kiera in that if cB and BR were truly to merge together, it would have to be at the approval of Ju-Sun. However, it doesn't mean that we shouldn't be civil to each other. Combining at this stage (where both sites have come so far) seems to be a near impossibility but that doesn't mean we cannot cooperate.

And I don't know where you're coming from when you say "many of you, even among staff, have shown an objective refusal to even cooperate on the most basic of matters, those that might be beneficial to us both." To try to stop those from spamming BR, something was proposed. You didn't respond to it. If you overlooked at the most important parts of this thread, I will not point it out, and it was proposed/repeated more than once.

Posted by: jumpropeforheart Dec 6 2006, 09:29 PM

last time i checked, the quote was from blogring, wasn't it.
http://blogring.net/forum/1641056-post10.html

pay up, sucka.

Posted by: Spirited Away Dec 6 2006, 09:38 PM

While a solution was being drafted, he/she was too busy lamenting the "idiocy" of CBers, and not take into consideration that such "pettiness" could have been avoided had this whole charade been discussed in private.

Since he/she runs a business, he/she should acquire some skills in negotiation (and exert them in private with people in power, of course).

Posted by: oX_Muh_Nirvana_Xo Dec 6 2006, 09:56 PM

Forget that.
Why don't we just respect each others space.
I didn't know it was like this and I have been coming to cB for over 2 years.. -shocked-

It's not like the mods here can control everyone that comes to cb 24/7
Free will babe. So, I think.

-sings- "Why can't we be friends.. Why can't we beeeeee friends... "

Posted by: Spiritual Winged Aura Dec 7 2006, 03:16 AM

well... maybe, you didnt try a little hard enough to fix it.

Posted by: a painefull euphoria Dec 7 2006, 09:42 AM

you dollface i must first start with corecting you as i am in a loving relationship so dont try to exploit my private life if you dont know it. i have yet to do you any wrong yet you love to harrass me as if we were on the playground. grow up kid.
secondly.



i agree with oX_Muh_Nirvana_Xo
why cant we just be friends..
and cut the drama out.
this has gone far enough.
what members do outside here
is something that may never be controlled
but who knows anymore.

Posted by: krnxswat Dec 7 2006, 10:19 AM

I have to poo

Posted by: Quarantine. Dec 7 2006, 03:27 PM

I don't think it's quite a good idea to merge the two forums or combine, personally i'm not very fond of blogring. It's nothing personal, it's just I find the forums very confusing.

But what I would like to see improving is stuff like this:
http://blogring.net/detail-scripts-2/asdsadsad.html
to stop happening.

I know all that has is a screen shot, and yet it's Holly's screen shot. And who knows, for all we know there could be a bunch of other layouts there like that from cB.

I happen to know, that this has been discussed before and yet stuff like this is still happening.

Oh and we don't have to "combine" just to cooperate, we just need peace.

Posted by: jumpropeforheart Dec 7 2006, 03:59 PM

my bad

Posted by: sadolakced acid Dec 7 2006, 06:21 PM

First, a wag of my finger to blogring.

blogring, this is simply unacceptable.

you can't blame cB for being a spawning place for spammers.

what you're doing right now is the equivalent of the United States blaming Saudi Arabia for 9/11 because most the hijackers were from there.

And we know it's not the Saudis fault, it's Saddam's.

So why are you complaining anyways? if it were for spammers, you wouldn't have a job, and you wouldn't get paid those blogpoints. without spammers to ban, people would soon see how useless your job is.

and another thing. blogpoints? what, you held a referundum and that's what they came up with? OH RIGHT. you're facist lefties. you just imposed this upon everyone without asking them.

You need to have a vote. And i thank in advance those who will vote for "sadolakced acid points" as the new name. Special thanks goes to those who write programs to vote for me.

next, a tip of the hat to ME.

i've been deflecting false accusations, and i look good doing it. nation, i salute you for admiring my beauty.

Posted by: Spirited Away Dec 7 2006, 06:24 PM

If you weren't so... you, I might have mistaken you for Minda.