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 Apr 8 2009, 03:26 PM
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Apr 8 2009, 03:30 PM
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Apr 8 2009, 03:43 PM
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Apr 8 2009, 03:45 PM
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Apr 8 2009, 03:49 PM
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Apr 8 2009, 03:51 PM
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Apr 8 2009, 03:53 PM
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Apr 8 2009, 03:55 PM
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lol.. i can type buncha GHANDI bs.. but why..OH wait..
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Apr 8 2009, 04:06 PM
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Apr 8 2009, 04:08 PM
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Apr 8 2009, 06:33 PM
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Apr 8 2009, 07:06 PM
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QUOTE(Uronacid @ Apr 6 2009, 02:38 PM)  Just like the poor individuals who's lives have just completely f*cked them over are an exception to my own. I'm not saying Capitalism is perfect Nate. People do fall through the holes, however socialism would need to be restructured before I was ever able to accept it. I see people in my shitty slum of a neighborhood living off the government all the time. These are people who could and should contribute to society by having a job of some sort, but they don't look for a job because the gov't gives them far more than what it nessesary to survive. Instead they stop taking care of themselves and rely on the goverment to bail them out of their incompitance. It's downright unfair to the working class. Because it's not controlled by anyone one thing, and it's monitored to keep it that way. The bottom line, there is no single point of failure. Socialism, while it paves the way for everyone, it rewards those who are lazy slobs with no ambition to succeed. There is plenty of opportunity for people to succeed in this country under capitalism. While there are exceptions to to anything and capitalism isn't without flaws. It's been successful for the past century. Why should we change it? While I'm sure you could point out several reasons this country was founded on capitalism and became the greatest country in the world because of it. The pros for capitalism far outweigh the cons. Take health care for example, while everyone seems to insist on pushing nationalized health care they don't see effect of doing so. Doctors who see patients in a nationalized health care system are paid the same regardless of quality of service. Incentive to become a better doctor is stifled. Patients receive service that is not as good, development of medical research is slowed down as a result of reduced private funding, etc... When you take "competition" out of an industry it becomes less productive, and in this case more people inevitably die as a result. Specifically, what exact part of Socializing would need restructuring? You do realize, that in America, we have or had what's called a mixed economy And to be quite honest, we haven't been as productive. The best thing we can come up with is cars and xboxes lol... |
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Apr 8 2009, 07:08 PM
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Apr 9 2009, 09:39 AM
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QUOTE(illmortal @ Apr 8 2009, 08:06 PM) Specifically, what exact part of Socializing would need restructuring? You do realize, that in America, we have or had what's called a mixed economy And to be quite honest, we haven't been as productive. The best thing we can come up with is cars and xboxes lol... The system needs to be restructured in such a way that people are encourage to better themselves and be rewarded for it. - Getting a Job - Getting an Education - Being a hard working individual Socialism, in it's current context encourages many able bodied citizens to sit back and allow the government to bail them out time and time again. That's the problem I have with socialism. I'm all for helping people who are trying to be the best they can while life keeps taking a shit on them. I'm all for helping people who cannot physically work due to a disability. I'm all for helping the single mother who's been left by a selfish father and has 2-3 extra mouths to feed. I'm not for helping people who drowned themselves in debt and expect to be bailed out or able bodied citizens who've given up on being productive members of society. |
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Apr 9 2009, 11:03 AM
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QUOTE(Uronacid @ Apr 9 2009, 10:39 AM) The system needs to be restructured in such a way that people are encourage to better themselves and be rewarded for it. - Getting a Job - Getting an Education - Being a hard working individual Socialism, in it's current context encourages many able bodied citizens to sit back and allow the government to bail them out time and time again. That's the problem I have with socialism. I'm all for helping people who are trying to be the best they can while life keeps taking a shit on them. I'm all for helping people who cannot physically work due to a disability. I'm all for helping the single mother who's been left by a selfish father and has 2-3 extra mouths to feed. I'm not for helping people who drowned themselves in debt and expect to be bailed out or able bodied citizens who've given up on being productive members of society. It's not so much a matter of debt, but credit. The credit system is flawed and in the end, the entire economy takes a hit. You can't possibly attribute someone's credit issues, or accrued debt, to inability to be a productive member of society? That's pretty outlandish. |
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Apr 9 2009, 11:48 AM
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QUOTE(Uronacid @ Apr 9 2009, 10:39 AM) The system needs to be restructured in such a way that people are encourage to better themselves and be rewarded for it. - Getting a Job - Getting an Education - Being a hard working individual Socialism, in it's current context encourages many able bodied citizens to sit back and allow the government to bail them out time and time again. That's the problem I have with socialism. I'm all for helping people who are trying to be the best they can while life keeps taking a shit on them. I'm all for helping people who cannot physically work due to a disability. I'm all for helping the single mother who's been left by a selfish father and has 2-3 extra mouths to feed. I'm not for helping people who drowned themselves in debt and expect to be bailed out or able bodied citizens who've given up on being productive members of society. GIve me an example where a socialist nation has a bunch of bums because competition has been removed. Show me which Socialist nation is currently encouraging citizens to sit back and mooch off the government. You do know that there's many ancient civilizations whose had a form of socialism... right? I've never heard of Socialism causing people to become lazy. I can imagine in a Communist scenario, sure... where they literally work for no money, Russia is a good example. Competition, imo, isn't needed to prosper. |
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Apr 9 2009, 11:57 AM
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QUOTE(illmortal @ Apr 9 2009, 12:48 PM) Competition, imo, isn't needed to prosper. Good point. I actually agree with you. Americans have come to accept this as normal and "right." Capitalism causes consumerism. |
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Apr 9 2009, 01:02 PM
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QUOTE(WarMachine @ Apr 9 2009, 12:03 PM) It's not so much a matter of debt, but credit. The credit system is flawed and in the end, the entire economy takes a hit. You can't possibly attribute someone's credit issues, or accrued debt, to inability to be a productive member of society? That's pretty outlandish. I didn't it was an OR statement. I'm not for: 1. Bailing out people who have accrued massive debt. They need to take responsibility for their actions. 2. Bailing out able bodied citizens who've given up on being productive members of society. These are separate things. I agree with you. QUOTE(illmortal @ Apr 9 2009, 12:48 PM) Show me which Socialist nation is currently encouraging citizens to sit back and mooch off the government. Competition, imo, isn't needed to prosper. Our mixed capitolist/socialist country is a prime example of a country were 10s of 1000s of Americans already take advantage of the system. Show me we're headed in a different direction. Competition shouldn't be required, but alas it is in our instinct to be selfish. That's where the problem lies. |
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Apr 9 2009, 01:55 PM
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QUOTE(Uronacid @ Apr 9 2009, 02:02 PM) I didn't it was an OR statement. I'm not for: 1. Bailing out people who have accrued massive debt. They need to take responsibility for their actions. 2. Bailing out able bodied citizens who've given up on being productive members of society. These are separate things. I agree with you. I see, I see. Thanks for the clarification. The way you view capitalism and the reasons you provide that support it, don't seem to be playing out that way in reality. You're for capitalism; that much is clear. However, I think it would be fair to explore other alternatives given our economy's current state of affairs. |
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Apr 9 2009, 03:27 PM
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QUOTE(WarMachine @ Apr 9 2009, 02:55 PM) I see, I see. Thanks for the clarification. The way you view capitalism and the reasons you provide that support it, don't seem to be playing out that way in reality. You're for capitalism; that much is clear. However, I think it would be fair to explore other alternatives given our economy's current state of affairs. I don't mind exploring alternatives, but I'm clearly against moving to socialism just for the sake of changing. Regarding our economy: I know we're in a recession,however this isn't a crisis. The condition of our economy is no where near the condition of our economy during the great depression. The media is full of propaganda right now. I believe that the 700 billion dollar bail out is simply a means to create a real crisis. A crisis that will make the American citizens so desperate for change that they'll willing adopt a system that takes away their freedom. |
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Apr 23 2009, 10:06 PM
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Capitalism > Socialism.
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Apr 24 2009, 07:32 AM
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QUOTE(mike0C @ Apr 23 2009, 11:06 PM) Capitalism > Socialism. That's your argument? failfag has failed. |
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Apr 24 2009, 11:39 AM
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QUOTE(mike0C @ Apr 23 2009, 11:06 PM) Capitalism > Socialism. Yeah, you have to say more than that. |
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Apr 24 2009, 12:50 PM
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QUOTE(mike0C @ Apr 23 2009, 11:06 PM) Capitalism > Socialism. Funny Socialism > Capitalism lol Can you say why? And how do you know what Capitalism is in its purest form? Capitalism or Reganomics only lasted until Regan left office, then Social economics or at least properties of socialism started to creep into the foundation of Capitalism. Why, you ask? Because of profits 
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Apr 25 2009, 12:38 AM
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