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Posted by: xfrodobagginsx Nov 18 2007, 02:59 PM
ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN?
THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT YOU SHOULD KNOW:
1. REALIZE THAT YOU ARE A SINNER AND IN NEED OF A SAVIOR:
Ro 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"
Ro 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"
This all began with the story of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. God created them perfect, there was no death or sorrow. God told them not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They disobeyed God and as a result, sin entered into the world. The pain which this world sees is the result of sin.
2. BECAUSE OF OUR SINS, WE DIE BOTH SPIRITUALLY AND PHYSICALLY, BUT GOD SENT HIS SON TO TAKE OUR PUNISHMENT AND GIVE US A CHANCE NOT TO HAVE TO GO TO HELL.
Ro 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
Ro 5:8 "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."
Every person who has ever lived is a sinner and is not righteous because we do bad things. A sin is a crime against God, just as if you steal something at the store, it is punishable by going to jail. It's the same thing with sin. Even if we lie one time, the punishment is hell, which is a prison for those who commit crimes against God. No matter how well you live your life from then on, you have already committed a sin which will be punished if you are not pardoned. If you commit a crime, and then live as a good citizen you still will go to jail for the crime you committed. Right? Just as the president can pardon a crime so you won't go to jail, Jesus can pardon your sins so that you do not go to hell, and can go to heaven when you die.
3. IF WE WILL ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS OUR LORD WITH OUR MOUTHS AND BELIEVE IN OUR HEARTS THAT HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD, BY DOING THIS WE ARE RECEIVING HIM:
Ro 10:9,10 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: {power: or, the right, or, privilege}
(KJV)
You cannot get to heaven by being a good person, going to church, baptism or any other way other than by turning to Jesus and asking Him to forgive you for your sins and save you. While these are good things to do, some people believe that they will get to heaven if they do these things, but the bible says that there is only one way to heaven and that is through receiving what Jesus Christ did on the cross for you.
Will you do that today? If you will, you can be 100% sure that you will go to heaven when you die.
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD FOR YOUR SINS? DO YOU ACCEPT WHAT HE DID FOR YOU TO PAY FOR YOUR SINS?
4. If you are willing to receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior please pray this right now, from your heart to God,
"Dear LORD JESUS, I believe that YOU died on the Cross and Rose from the dead for my sins. I ask you to come into my heart and forgive me for my sins, take me to heaven when I die. I now receive You as my Lord and Savior. Thank You for saving me. In Jesus holy name, Amen."
If you prayed that prayer from your heart to God, and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven when you die.
Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism.
Posted by: Elba Nov 18 2007, 03:01 PM
There is no heaven, so blah to you.
Posted by: brooklyneast05 Nov 18 2007, 03:03 PM
Posted by: 1angel3 Nov 18 2007, 03:07 PM
I probably go to hell for watching two girls one cup AND two girls one finger.
Posted by: brooklyneast05 Nov 18 2007, 03:10 PM
^lmao
Posted by: 1angel3 Nov 18 2007, 03:12 PM
Ha ha yeah. I'm scared for life. I'm sure hell can't be as bad as those videos.
Posted by: Bishinobi Nov 18 2007, 03:13 PM
Nastiest Video Ever.
Posted by: 1angel3 Nov 18 2007, 03:21 PM
^ I agree
To answer the question. I don't need direction. Just follow the light. If you get lost, that's your problem.
Posted by: Bishinobi Nov 18 2007, 03:24 PM
I've had so many theological convsersations with believers, atheists, agnostics that it's not even funny. So I figure I'm goin to Heaven anyways.
Posted by: xtwitchyx Nov 18 2007, 04:18 PM
Wouldn't it be a lot easier to get to heaven if you just followed that big bright light that looks like a train at the end of a tunnel?
Posted by: brooklyneast05 Nov 18 2007, 04:21 PM
because u had conversations?
Posted by: Gryffindore-Girl Nov 18 2007, 05:00 PM
This has got to be one of the most interesting topics I have ever seen.
Posted by: brooklyneast05 Nov 18 2007, 05:01 PM
^why?
Posted by: 1angel3 Nov 18 2007, 05:04 PM
You need to go to the debate forum
Posted by: RAWRstephishere Nov 18 2007, 05:08 PM
So when I die, I have to say that.
But during my life now, I can do whatever I want. Great.
Posted by: Gryffindore-Girl Nov 18 2007, 05:30 PM
I am not as religions as some people think so some of this is slightly new to me.
Ok I will
But during my life now, I can do whatever I want. Great.
LMAO
Posted by: Elba Nov 18 2007, 05:32 PM
This topic is stupid, imo.
Posted by: jeanna Nov 18 2007, 05:33 PM
lol lame first post for you.
go figure. he's banned on most of the sites.
seriously. gtfo, turn off your computer and stop posting on 12 pages worth of google searched sites. thank you.
lol why do you go on every site like this bodybuilding one posting the same religious things..
and this site
LOL
Sex: Male
Age: 36
i hope not.
Posted by: 1angel3 Nov 18 2007, 06:00 PM
^ Ha ha
Man this topic isn't that important.
Posted by: karmakiller Nov 18 2007, 08:05 PM
Well, if there's no heaven we'll all be wasting our time.
Posted by: jeanna Nov 18 2007, 08:11 PM
Man this topic isn't that important.
i googled him and 12 pages worth? god hates annoying people so he's going to hell.
Posted by: xfrodobagginsx Nov 18 2007, 08:44 PM
Did you pray that prayer at the bottom of it to God from your heart?
Posted by: Podomaht Nov 18 2007, 08:47 PM
A prayer won't get you into Heaven.
Posted by: xfrodobagginsx Nov 19 2007, 12:17 AM
It will if it's from your heart to God, like the one in this first post. It sums up everything that the bible says about how to be saved.
Posted by: Elba Nov 19 2007, 12:20 AM
Please don't come in here and try to shove the bible down our throats.
Posted by: Podomaht Nov 19 2007, 12:21 AM
You are not God. This does NOT guarantee getting into Heaven. The Bible says that false prophets have a special place reserved for them in Hell, and will be thrown away along with Lucifer and his demons.
Have fun.
Posted by: xfrodobagginsx Nov 19 2007, 12:23 PM
So, you believe what the bible says about false prophets, but not what it says about salvation? Who is the false prophet here?
Posted by: Podomaht Nov 19 2007, 12:25 PM
If everyone went to Heaven based on saying just a prayer, American Christianity wouldn't be at stake, here.
You're honestly bringing people away from God by spamming stupid, idiotic threads. Do you honestly think this will bring someone to God?
Posted by: jeanna Nov 19 2007, 12:57 PM
thank you jesus! i love u! peace and love
Posted by: S-Majere Nov 19 2007, 01:58 PM
Damn but we should write a Createblog Bible.
Thou shalt not Spam.
Thou shalt not post inanities.
Thou shalt not use Frodo's name in vain.
Thou shalt not post anything too taxing in The Lounge.
Posted by: Sulfur-in-K Nov 19 2007, 01:59 PM
When you get up there for judgement, you lie.
Posted by: alovesopure Nov 19 2007, 02:24 PM
*grabs bible* ELBA! OPEN YOUR MOUTH! EAT IT!
Im going to shove it down your throat!
Posted by: Elba Nov 19 2007, 10:34 PM
OMG, KARA, STOP IT! STOP IT!
Posted by: xfrodobagginsx Nov 20 2007, 11:36 PM
You're honestly bringing people away from God by spamming stupid, idiotic threads. Do you honestly think this will bring someone to God?
And you need to go read your bible and see what it actually says about salvation. It's only through Jesus Christ and what He did for you one the cross to pay for your sins. The bible says that if you confess with your mouth Jesus and believe it in your heart you will be saved. It says for Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Isn't that what the prayer does if done from the heart?
Please go read your bible. You don't know what you are talking about and are hindering the work of the Lord.
Posted by: alovesopure Nov 20 2007, 11:38 PM
NO, YOU MUST RECEIVE IT!!! AND YOU SHALL BE SAAAAAVED!
Posted by: NoSex Nov 20 2007, 11:42 PM
This topic sucks.
Jesus is a shit bag and I do not like very much.
I mean, woe is me.
Posted by: clarity Nov 21 2007, 12:34 AM
Hm, this kinda sounds like my friend. Always shoving the bible down my throat, etc. He claims its his duty to transfer people into Christians, meh. Frankly, I don't believe in god. 
Posted by: Spirited Away Nov 21 2007, 10:39 AM
Isn't that what the prayer does if done from the heart?
Please go read your bible. You don't know what you are talking about and are hindering the work of the Lord.
While having faith in Jesus Christ alone is good enough to be saved, but you're missing a huge chunk of the Bible, my friend. There are steps to follow after accepting Jesus. A person cannot say he/she accepts Jesus and continue to commit sins consciously because he/she would be turning away God's grace. SALVATION IS ABOUT CONTINUING YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH CHRIST (not just through a single prayer).
That's what Podo meant. It seems to me that Podo makes more sense than you in this.
Posted by: Sandraaa Nov 21 2007, 10:48 AM
This has got to be a joke.
Posted by: monster Nov 21 2007, 11:19 AM
Isn't that what the prayer does if done from the heart?
Please go read your bible. You don't know what you are talking about and are hindering the work of the Lord.
Not all who cry "Jesus, Jesus" will enter the gates of Heaven.
Posted by: jeanna Nov 21 2007, 11:33 AM
you know masturbating is a sin? i bet you were masturbating 10 seconds ago.
Posted by: Sandraaa Nov 21 2007, 11:34 AM
How is masturbating a sin? 
Posted by: jeanna Nov 21 2007, 11:36 AM
they tie you up in Mormonism
Posted by: xfrodobagginsx Nov 21 2007, 11:56 AM
That's what Podo meant. It seems to me that Podo makes more sense than you in this.
Salvation comes by faith alone in Jesus Christ. The NATURAL result of savation is a continued relationship with Jesus Christ. The relationship doesn't save. The relationship is a natural result of salvation. You're getting things backwards and borderline adding works to salvation, and YES if you pray that prayer to God from your heart, you most certainly WILL be saved. You just blirt things out of your mouth without bible to back up what you say. Stop hindering God's work.
Posted by: jeanna Nov 21 2007, 11:59 AM
ok, go into the debate forum or go to your 127466 other sites you spammed. maybe they will be more interested in your stuff on a football forum
Posted by: jeanna Nov 21 2007, 01:17 PM
how about me? will i get into heaven though?
Posted by: Villainess Nov 21 2007, 01:36 PM
Im going to shove it down your throat!
2girls1bible.com
GO GO GO GO
Please the lounge is supposed to be fun without fear of getting attacked for what people believe in.
Thats what the debate forum is for.
Anyway.
Im a bisexual catholic.
I could careless if people go around saying "GOD HATES f*gs" f**k you all.Ill wait for god to tell it to my f**king face or not,When my time comes to a end.Im not gonna listen to a bible thrower to tell me otherwise.
So for all i know i could possibly go to heaven for doing alot of good things and being bisexual or i could go to hell for just being a potty mouthed faggot.
Posted by: Spirited Away Nov 21 2007, 06:26 PM
Tee hee, this is almost cute, the pot calling the kettle black and all. You're the kind of Christian that shames others of the same faith. Your language alone is proof that God's grace isn't in you. Seems to me you're only good at asking God for forgiveness through prayer and not so good and keeping up your relationship with Him. He doesn't mind this onesided relationship because He loves you, but if you're going to try to "do His work", you gotta be more educated let God guide you in this rather than do your own thing and say that you're working for God. You give people the wrong impression.
You said I didn't use the Bible as evidence. Fine then =) give me a quote from the Bible where it says you can be saved by having faith ALONE. You see, you don't have evidence for your silliness either. Don't be so prideful and admit your lack of knowledge on the matter.
Of course faith is essential to salvation. We've established that by now, haven't we? In fact, the quotes you provided are just some of the ones that stress the necessity of faith. But that doesn't mean you end it with faith. Remember James 2:19:20 says "Even devils believe. Are they saved?".
Obviously, relationship with Christ isn't as "NATURAL" as you claim. It is something every man must work to achieve. We are tempted everyday and it takes WORK to let God help you through these temptations. There's nothing "NATURAL" about it because God gave us free will: the choice to accept Jesus and maintain a relationship with him, the choice to accept Jesus but not maintain the relationship, the choice to push him away completely... etc. These aren't "NATURAL" choices.
Anything else you want to say to me?
EDIT:
Oh, and one last thing. Revelation 22:18:19, "For I testify unto every man that hearth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And, if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
So, don't take the Bible OUT OF CONTEXT the way you just did, okay?
Posted by: icecreamisyummy Nov 21 2007, 06:28 PM
im going 10 feet underground... yea
Posted by: Insurmountable Nov 21 2007, 11:26 PM
Moved to debate.
Posted by: libertie Nov 21 2007, 11:30 PM
Sir, you may think that you are making your impact here, but you are not. You are some person nobody knows who just shows up at a random community and starts trying to push people into a religion they've already CHOSEN not to follow. Nobody reads extended paragraphs over the internet unless it's something meaningful to them, and being that this is your first post on CB, it's unlikely that anyone wants to listen to you.
If you want to make your church and/or your god (depending on whom you're trying to please) happy, stop hiding behind a computer screen and actually go out and "witness" to people. Even THAT, as annoying and awkward as it is, is a thousand times more credible and respectable than what you're doing right now.
Posted by: xfrodobagginsx Nov 21 2007, 11:41 PM
If you want to make your church and/or your god (depending on whom you're trying to please) happy, stop hiding behind a computer screen and actually go out and "witness" to people. Even THAT, as annoying and awkward as it is, is a thousand times more credible and respectable than what you're doing right now.
Please. If you don't like this thread, kindly don't click on it. It's that easy. It's not being forced on you or anyone else, so please leave. It does reach people. Sorry if you don't agree. If you don't like the thread, you are free to ignore it.
Posted by: Spirited Away Nov 21 2007, 11:45 PM
who's it reaching?
Posted by: libertie Nov 21 2007, 11:49 PM
Unfortunately, you don't get that luxury. Sorry. This being a public forum, if someone posts a topic, people will read it, and people tend to talk about it if they don't like a topic. You as the topic starter can take all feedback, good and bad, although it appears that you aren't getting much of the positive.
I'm sure you've gotten this response everywhere else you've gone as well, one would think you'd eventually get it, but I know better.
Feel free to continue trying to reach people here, but I'm fairly positive you won't be successful here or anywhere else. Who does it reach, exactly? Other Christians who think you're doing something good? Big surprise. I'd love to see an example where you doing this has converted a nonbeliever.
Posted by: Spirited Away Nov 21 2007, 11:52 PM
I'm sure you've gotten this response everywhere else you've gone as well, one would think you'd eventually get it, but I know better.
Feel free to continue trying to reach people here, but I'm fairly positive you won't be successful here or anywhere else. Who does it reach, exactly? Other Christians who think you're doing something good? Big surprise. I'd love to see an example where you doing this has converted a nonbeliever.
My take on it is if he's free to do what he wants with this thread(preach, whatnot) others should be free to do what they want in this thread (oppose his ideals or point out his mistakes).
I'm too lazy to read long posts, too. Though I got bored this evening a wrote a long response myself.
Posted by: libertie Nov 21 2007, 11:54 PM
Yeah but I actually read your post. xD I read about the first sentence of every other paragraph in his. It's all the same stuff I've heard a million times and I guess my heart is too hard to accept truth and make the right decision. 
Posted by: NoSex Nov 21 2007, 11:55 PM
This isn't really a debate at all.
It's just proselytizing.
Trash this shit.
Posted by: Spirited Away Nov 21 2007, 11:59 PM
You're right. I've heard it a million times, too, and it never "reached" me. People don't understand that there are things that others are meant to accept, find out, or form beliefs on their own. But whatever floats people's boats, I guess. It does get annoying though, right?
It's just proselytizing.
Trash this shit.
Nods.
Posted by: xfrodobagginsx Nov 22 2007, 11:26 AM
Obviously, you still have an interest in it because you clicked on it. The Lord hasn't given up on you. The problem is that you need to be willing to open your heart to God. That's why some people can't come to God, because they aren't willing to humble themselves and open their hearts to Him.
He lumps the fearful and unbelieving in with the murderers, liars and such.
Re 21:8 (NKJV) "But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
Posted by: Sandraaa Nov 22 2007, 02:13 PM
I truly do not see how this is a debate. It's just a somewhat bizarre Christian forcing his beliefs down others' throats and is getting kicked in the butt for it.
I'll leave it here for a while and monitor the outcome. If it remains the way it is (which I'm sure it will) it'll be moved back to the el loungeo.
Anyway, don't mind me. CONTINUE KICKING HIS BUTT GUYS!!
Posted by: Spirited Away Nov 22 2007, 03:31 PM
What's OBVIOUS is that people will click on anything and everything in this forum, even spam/advertisement. You're OBVIOUSLY new to this forum and haven't been able to figure that out, but soon enough it will be quite OBVIOUS to you.
Did you purposely ignore my rebuttal post on the second page? Well, to summarize, can you give me a quote from the Bible where it says you're saved by faith alone? The Bible isn't new to me, but what you're saying about faith being the only step in salvation is.
Anyway, happy Thanksgiving to you and yours and everyone!
Posted by: kryogenix Nov 22 2007, 03:46 PM
AHAHAHAHAHAHA I see the Catholic Church is starting to rub off on you.
Posted by: Spirited Away Nov 22 2007, 03:53 PM
Yea, yea. Haha, I started going to church with my brother and his wife, plus I do some volunteer work at church anyway. Let's not forget that my cousin's a nun.
Haha, *SHHHHH* you.
Posted by: SoEffinMajor Nov 22 2007, 09:14 PM
i don't think he meant any harm. he wasn't trying to offend anybody. take it easy, guys. besides, i don't understand why so many people who don't believe in God even posted in this thread in the first place. if u don't believe in God, then getting to heaven is of no concern to you. so you shouldn't bash him for sharing some information with those of us who might want to know what he has to say.
and....
what's the debate?
Posted by: Spirited Away Nov 22 2007, 10:22 PM
^ what you're saying is pretty much double standard--not an uncommon event in these forums but unfair. He can post whatever he wants but people can't post what they want about his posts?
Posted by: 1angel3 Nov 23 2007, 12:41 AM
^True
I don't see how this is a debate either. I think this is a joke. How do we know that the real way to heaven. Sounds like BS to me. It's cute to read but not taken seriously imo.
Posted by: jeanna Nov 23 2007, 12:47 AM
I don't see how this is a debate either. I think this is a joke.
lol exactly. it's completely one sided and the only question is "WHY R U POSTING IN HERE! UGH, GO 2 HELL!!" or.. something like that.
there are so many better religion debates
Posted by: JakeKKing Nov 23 2007, 01:54 AM
Have fun.
Haha. this person is not a false prophet. A prophet tells of the future. This person does not. He tells of God's word.
As for my opinion. Why should I put faith into a theological dictatorship with unfair rules and regulations, when I don't believe that socialism or communism is correct? He gives us a free will, but toys with the idea of a all knowing being. Or another example of free will is that God allows us to do as we choose, but in the end, it's either His way or go to Hell. Whose to say that Christianity is 'the' true religion? Not you. Not anyone. It's a belief that some one had about a man, who claimed to be the son of god. What, he did miracles? What miracles? What evidence is there that he actually performed miracles? It's just hear-say.
They say that you will find peace in Jesus, but in all honesty, I've never felt worse than I did while accepting the Christian faith.
If you want to make your church and/or your god (depending on whom you're trying to please) happy, stop hiding behind a computer screen and actually go out and "witness" to people. Even THAT, as annoying and awkward as it is, is a thousand times more credible and respectable than what you're doing right now.
In all fairness, Christians are suppost to tell others about their faith. It's on their souls if they don't tell anyone about Jesus Christ.
Posts merged - Sandra =)
Posted by: monster Nov 23 2007, 12:02 PM
False prophet doesn't mean just people who tell the future. It's also for common people who twist God's word into a different meaning, or changes things.
Posted by: libertie Nov 23 2007, 09:32 PM
I was RAISED to believe this. I've heard that exact statement at least a thousand times in my lifetime. It's all good and well if that's what they believe. I personally tend to walk away when they "try their hands" at me, but whatever. What I was saying was that he wasn't being some big, bold christian witness by spreading the word over the internet. Copying and pasting something on various forums to people you'll never come in contact with does NOT show courage. IMO, it's pretty lazy, and if he thinks THAT makes up for what other christians do out on the streets, he is mistaken.
Also, what Podomaht said about false prophets is absolutely correct. A preacher who stands in front of a congregation and misleads them in any way is considered a false prophet. The same goes for anyone who is spreading false information about christianity or, as he explained, twisting the meaning of scripture.
Posted by: SoEffinMajor Nov 23 2007, 09:34 PM
NO!!!! That is not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is don't bash him & don't be rude to him for trying to enlighten a specific group of people...Those being people interested in getting to heaven.
Posted by: monster Nov 23 2007, 09:56 PM
He's not enlightening anyone.
Posted by: xfrodobagginsx Nov 23 2007, 10:14 PM
Approx. 1 out of 10 people who read this first post pray that prayer to God, so it's reaching many people. Even so, you aren't forced to come here. Kindly move on to the next thread. Are you offended by other people who talk about religion, or just Christians?
Posted by: libertie Nov 23 2007, 10:31 PM
I'm sorry, and this is meant to be in no way offensive, but that statistic is absurd and there's nothing to back it up. How did you come up with this measurement?
Posted by: monster Nov 23 2007, 10:49 PM
And you're making 9/10 people pissed off at Christianity.
Posted by: jeanna Nov 23 2007, 10:52 PM
people who spams about every 387,574 boards saying the same thing is not "reaching" people. how about YOU stop spamming the internet boards with things that aren't relevant like a football forum or weight lifting site.
you're annoying people because you think shoving down "facts" down people's throats is teaching anyone anything and anyone who thinks differently is going to be condemned to hell.
this has no debate side. it's completely one sided and that's why it pisses ME off.
oh and of course you're a holy and great person while everyone else is horrible. ok.
Posted by: Spirited Away Nov 24 2007, 12:29 AM
... a simple no is understood, thank you, I am not blind. You said he doesn't think he meant any harm nor was he trying to offend anyone. The thing is, if he didn't meant to offend, he shouldn't even be talking about religion. We were all told to avoid discussing politics or religion for a good reason: they cause conflict.
Telling people not to bash him when he has offended them, whether indirectly or directly, or if he didn't even mean it, is unrealistic. Yes, people should be a bit nicer, but considering the way he began this topic and how he's been responding, you can't really expect people to hug him and welcome him with open arms.
I never once said you forced me to read your posts, so don't worry about my feeling coerced to do anything. Rather, I read your thread because I'm inclinced to hear what you have to say about Christianity and whether it makes sense. If it doesn't, I have a personal obligation to question it or rectify it. Moving on from these topics things will eventually dull my mind. I feel like I should apologize for being "unkind" but since I don't think I did anything wrong, I will not.
To answer your question, I am offended by people who don't know everything about religion but try to act like they do. Look, I have no problem with you preaching, but that what you preach seems incomplete. That, and I just don't like your attitude (it's okay if the feeling's mutual, I will not take it against you personally).
Don't play the "you guys are ganging up on me because I'm Christian" card, please. As you can see, Podo is a Christian and made a thread in this very forum and I applaud him for it. Though I don't agree with his answers, they are true to his beliefs and they don't come off as arrogant. You are the exact opposite.
You still haven't answer to my question. Stop beating around the bush and try to make me look like a bully when I'm asking you a legitimate question. If you can't answer it, then just say it. And, if you can, please enlighten me. I love to learn about religion.
Posted by: monster Nov 24 2007, 01:02 AM
Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism.
HERESY.
How do you even know that that person will go to Heaven? Do you know God's mind? Do you know the full extent of his plan for each and every human being who reads and prays this?
No. You are wrong. You are spreading a false teaching just like the other fake preachers. Stop what you're doing now.
Posted by: Steven Nov 24 2007, 03:07 AM
Just get a warlock to summon you
Posted by: NoSex Nov 24 2007, 07:34 AM
Black magic is so metal.
Posted by: SoEffinMajor Nov 24 2007, 05:19 PM
i said "trying" lol
Posted by: xfrodobagginsx Nov 28 2007, 12:18 PM
How do you even know that that person will go to Heaven? Do you know God's mind? Do you know the full extent of his plan for each and every human being who reads and prays this?
No. You are wrong. You are spreading a false teaching just like the other fake preachers. Stop what you're doing now.
Yes!! I DO know the mind of Christ. It's called the bible. That's how I know. Preaching what the bible says isn't heresy. You use NO scriptures to back up your false arguement and call ME a heretic? Dust off your bible and start reading the mind of Christ.
Posted by: jeanna Nov 28 2007, 12:41 PM
go back to a football forum and tell the word of whatever.
maybe they will be more interested
Posted by: Spirited Away Nov 28 2007, 01:30 PM
Hey you. Answer my questions, please.
Also, to claim that you know the mind of Christ. Haha, that's funny. So, what's God thinking... right now?
And, you, the authors of the Bible did not record God's mind, they recorded His Words. The Bible isn't called the Mind of God, but it is called the Word of God.
Get it right, will ya?
Posted by: Uronacid Nov 29 2007, 10:40 AM
You sound a bit over-zealous Baggins, but who am I to judge? I'm a Christian myself. I know you're trying to do what you think is best for the people on this forum, but I disagree.
I think that while you may be reaching some people, you're pushing many more away. You say that 1/10 of the people reading this post are being helped by it(This isn't factual, but I'm going with what you said), what about the other 9? What are they thinking? Is it possible they are being pushed away?
Opportunity cost Baggins, I think you have to accept that this isn't the best way to reach out to this online community. If you're helping 10% but ruining 90% in the process then you're being counterproductive. Everyone is different, different people need to be reached out to differently. I know you're trying to help, but I think that you're doing the opposite.
I think you should try a different approach. Get to know your audience before making a speech. You're methods of reaching out to this demographic aren't effective. What may have worked for one online forum won't work for all of them.
PS: I'm sure you already know this, but being a Christian is much more complicated than you say it is.
Posted by: Sandraaa Nov 29 2007, 12:50 PM
BLASPHEMY ALERT! How can you know the mind of Christ? Maybe you should dust off whatever you're doing and actually STUDY the Bible because I'm sorry but that's crap.
Posted by: Uronacid Nov 29 2007, 01:19 PM
Baggins, She's right. You don't know the mind of Christ. You can only interpret the Bible to the best of your ability. You don't know the "mind" of Christ. You know the Bible, and you love Jesus by trying to follow it the best you can. No man is perfect; no man knows the mind of a perfect being.
I disagree with what you said about one little prayer to saving you from hell. You make the Christian religion sound so much more simple than it actually is. There's much more to the Christian religion than just accepting Jesus into your heart. There are a host of things that are tacked onto accepting Jesus into your heart.
John 14:15(KJV) - "If ye love me, keep my commandments."
If you accept Jesus into your heart, you have to love Him, if you have to love him you'll have to have a solid understanding of love, if you know what love is you'll want to understand Him, and if you understand Him you'll follow His teachings. Now what? Well, what is there to understand? How do I love him? What is love? What are his teachings? I could litter you with questions. Christianity, it's not as simple as you make it sound. I know you're trying to do something good here, but you have to understand that you're being very very very very... very very vague.
Posted by: Steven Nov 29 2007, 07:00 PM
Forgot to mention, you can just combine a bible and a Jew's leg in a Horadric cube, right click and hit transmute.
Posted by: Uronacid Nov 30 2007, 02:17 PM
I wish he would come back and reply to what I posted.
Posted by: pureimaginationx23 Nov 30 2007, 02:55 PM
This is stupid.
Don't you see that you're just teaching people the motions?
You have people beleiving that by just doing or saying these things that they can get to heaven. I don't mean to be rude and I don't wana start any fights but you're kind of putting a bad name to christianity, like others have said. You have people beleiving they can live a tarnished life without God and still go to heaven. I kno that as Christians we are here to teach people about the bible and turn them over to God but, the bible does say that if they do not want to be saved then don't push it down their throat[Ok it doesn't say those words exactly but do you get what I'm saying?]
EDIT//
and baptism and goign to church can not save you.
Just thought I might let people kno.
Posted by: Uronacid Nov 30 2007, 04:12 PM
Don't you see that you're just teaching people the motions?
You have people beleiving that by just doing or saying these things that they can get to heaven. I don't mean to be rude and I don't wana start any fights but you're kind of putting a bad name to christianity, like others have said. You have people beleiving they can live a tarnished life without God and still go to heaven. I kno that as Christians we are here to teach people about the bible and turn them over to God but, the bible does say that if they do not want to be saved then don't push it down their throat[Ok it doesn't say those words exactly but do you get what I'm saying?]
EDIT//
and baptism and goign to church can not save you.
Just thought I might let people kno.
Agreed
Posted by: xfrodobagginsx Nov 30 2007, 08:16 PM
2Pe 1:19 We also have a more sure word of prophecy, to which you do well to take heed, as to a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the Daystar arises in your hearts,
Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus
Posted by: Spirited Away Nov 30 2007, 08:49 PM
Oh good lord, I can't believe we have a problem with defintions and context.
To finish let's cite a little more, Php 2:5-7:
"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men."
Interpretation: Let God guide (motivate) us as He is involved in everything we do. Strive to think like Jesus so that we may distance ourselves from sin like Jesus did.
NOT: We know what God't thinking. If we know what He's thinking, he wouldn't be God, or we'd be gods ourselves. The Lord being IN OUR MIND for guidance is NOT the same as we're being in the Lord's mind.
In addition, knowing a person's intentions is different from knowing their mind. God's intentions and words are in the Bible, but knowing His intentions is not the same from knowing what he's thinking. Perhaps you're confused with the two.
Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isaia 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
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Posted by: Joss-eh-lime Nov 30 2007, 11:46 PM
i dont know about all that jibber jabber you wrote, but im confident im going to heaven.
b/c i believe jesus is the one and only way into heaven. its as simple as that.
but you have to let people make their own way, you cant force them.
Posted by: Uronacid Dec 1 2007, 12:56 AM
To finish let's cite a little more, Php 2:5-7:
"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men."
Interpretation: Let God guide (motivate) us as He is involved in everything we do. Strive to think like Jesus so that we may distance ourselves from sin like Jesus did.
NOT: We know what God't thinking. If we know what He's thinking, he wouldn't be God, or we'd be gods ourselves. The Lord being IN OUR MIND for guidance is NOT the same as we're being in the Lord's mind.
In addition, knowing a person's intentions is different from knowing their mind. God's intentions and words are in the Bible, but knowing His intentions is not the same from knowing what he's thinking. Perhaps you're confused with the two.
Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isaia 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
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Agreed
Posted by: SoEffinMajor Dec 1 2007, 03:46 PM
b/c i believe jesus is the one and only way into heaven. its as simple as that.
but you have to let people make their own way, you cant force them.
Posted by: pinacoolada Dec 4 2007, 05:26 PM
Personally, I don't take the bible literally. So all those excerpts from the bible that you posted? They don't mean much to me. Think about it. The bible was written down hundreds of years after it had been passed down orally. Ever heard of the game telephone? In a small amount of time, and between a significantly fewer amount of people, the message is changed.
I believe in God despite that, but I don't think it's cool to be trying to convert people like this.
Also...it doesn't require all that to be saved. God's love is beyond human comprehension; he will forgive you no matter what as long as you truly regret your sins, and ask for forgiveness. That's all you need to go to heaven.
Posted by: jeanna Dec 4 2007, 05:30 PM
I believe in God despite that, but I don't think it's cool to be trying to convert people like this.
Also...it doesn't require all that to be saved. God's love is beyond human comprehension; he will forgive you no matter what as long as you truly regret your sins, and ask for forgiveness. That's all you need to go to heaven.
but why do you need acceptance by him rather than by yourself alone?..
Posted by: Spirited Away Dec 4 2007, 06:53 PM
where did he go?
Posted by: Uronacid Dec 5 2007, 08:13 AM
He got sad and left.
Posted by: Spirited Away Dec 5 2007, 10:21 AM
Oh, well that sucks.
Posted by: xfrodobagginsx Dec 9 2007, 11:15 PM
Wrong. It was written by first hand eye witnessess.
Ever heard of the game telephone? In a small amount of time, and between a significantly fewer amount of people, the message is changed.
Didn't happen that way, besides God dictated EVERY word anyway.
I believe in God despite that, but I don't think it's cool to be trying to convert people like this.
Jesus disagrees. I agree with Jesus.
Also...it doesn't require all that to be saved. God's love is beyond human comprehension; he will forgive you no matter what as long as you truly regret your sins, and ask for forgiveness. That's all you need to go to heaven.
You need to repent of your sins and turn to Jesus for salvation and accept Him as your Lord and Savior. That's right. The prayer simply sums that all up and confirms it with God.
My responses are in bold.
Posted by: jeanna Dec 10 2007, 12:13 AM
so are mine,
this is not a debate, gtfo you crazy ass
Posted by: Joss-eh-lime Dec 10 2007, 02:38 AM
^yeah, it is a debate...
Posted by: NoSex Dec 10 2007, 03:18 AM
This is such a good tutorial. I really think everyone should read this; it's so helpful. I feel so much better after have absorbed all this knowledge.
Posted by: Call911Quick Dec 10 2007, 05:37 AM
It's obvious to tell the difference between Christians and Aethists in this forum.
Aethists flame, insult, and overall try to gun down the OP. So much hate. If there were a word similar to racist except for religion, you guys would definitely be it. You guys would be the KKK seriously, I bet you'd lynch the OP if you had the chance.
The Christians, even the ones who disagree with the OP (like myself), respond in a non-aggressive manner.
Sure, there are hypocritical Christians out there who do drugs or run guns or whatnot, but you can't make a generalization about Germans according to what the Nazis did, could you?
Let's say this OP believes every word he says. He comes here, not offending anybody, and offers you a way, that he believes sincerely in, to go to heaven. Assuming this is FALSE, and that you choose not to accept what he says, at LEAST show him the courtesy and gratitude for having spent time in trying to "save" you guys.
If you don't believe in God, at least try to follow Ghandi's example. So much teen anger and angst on these forums. I can't believe the insane amount of HATE towards Christians.
Let's say some guy offers you pie. But no, you hate pie. What do you do?
Most of you guys would take the pie, shove it in said guy's face, and walk away, perhaps after shoving a broom up their ass.
Posted by: Spirited Away Dec 10 2007, 11:15 AM
Aethists flame, insult, and overall try to gun down the OP. So much hate. If there were a word similar to racist except for religion, you guys would definitely be it. You guys would be the KKK seriously, I bet you'd lynch the OP if you had the chance.
The Christians, even the ones who disagree with the OP (like myself), respond in a non-aggressive manner.
Sure, there are hypocritical Christians out there who do drugs or run guns or whatnot, but you can't make a generalization about Germans according to what the Nazis did, could you?
Let's say this OP believes every word he says. He comes here, not offending anybody, and offers you a way, that he believes sincerely in, to go to heaven. Assuming this is FALSE, and that you choose not to accept what he says, at LEAST show him the courtesy and gratitude for having spent time in trying to "save" you guys.
If you don't believe in God, at least try to follow Ghandi's example. So much teen anger and angst on these forums. I can't believe the insane amount of HATE towards Christians.
Let's say some guy offers you pie. But no, you hate pie. What do you do?
Most of you guys would take the pie, shove it in said guy's face, and walk away, perhaps after shoving a broom up their ass.
As you know, aggression cannot be measured by words alone, it is also judged by behavior, and subtle aggression does not tantamount a lack of it. The OP is also aggressive, or do you not see it in your narrow pursuit of calling out all the aetheists here?
If you believe in God, try to not to aggravate people who don't by forcing things down their throat or coerce them to accept your words as truth. Offense, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. He may not think he's being offensive, but that doesn't mean what he thinks is right for everyone else.
Again, we're taught to avoid bring up politics and religion in polite conversation BECAUSE they cause CONFLICT and OFFEND people. That is a given. The OP blatantly ignores this so he should not expect anything more than the responses that were given to him in this thread.
Some folks are just more honest than others and some are callous in their honesty. However, that doesn't mean they're not honest.
There is no evidence of any hatred in this thread. Where did you get the idea? I see plenty of annoyance but no hate. Hate is burning women on the stakes, accusing them of being witches, or mass murdering and pillaging people who are not of the same faith.
And when you offer someone pie, that pie better be good, not something you cooked up in 5 minutes with the wrong ingredients. And, if a person turn down your offer, you shouldn't try to stuff it down their throats.
Posted by: RyanWasHere Dec 10 2007, 11:18 AM
Only if that said guy was Jesus.
Oh dang.
Posted by: brooklyneast05 Dec 10 2007, 11:20 AM
There is no evidence of any hatred in this thread. Where did you get the idea? I see plenty if annoyance but no hate. Hate is burning women on the stakes, accusing them of being witches, or mass murdering and pillaging people who are not of the same faith.
took the words right out of my mouth
Posted by: Call911Quick Dec 10 2007, 04:40 PM
Look, I don't completely agree with this guy, and I'm Christian. He's coming off pretty direct for someone trying to preach the word of God, but at least I'm not bashing him.
At least he's trying.
Posted by: NoSex Dec 10 2007, 06:09 PM
At least he's trying.
Dude, you don't believe in the Theory of Evolution.
Posted by: Spirited Away Dec 10 2007, 07:23 PM
At least he's trying.
You're not bashing him doesn't mean others shouldn't. He's not offending you but he is offending others. He's done a pretty good job at ignoring anyone who tries to tell him differently though, so no harm done except that people are rightly annoyed.
Heck, I've been trying to get him to answer my questions but he's danced around them or completely ignored me all the same, so I'm annoyed, too.
Posted by: Call911Quick Dec 11 2007, 05:21 AM
I don't believe that it's proven. It is very probable, however, and convincing. At least I pay attention in class and I don't twist what others say, and I genuinely consider it as a possible explanation to why we are here.
It's just my faith and willingness to believe in God outweighs my faith in science. Sometimes there are things that just can't be proven/explained.
Posted by: brooklyneast05 Dec 11 2007, 11:10 AM
yet
Posted by: pureimaginationx23 Dec 11 2007, 01:11 PM
Thats why its called the theory rather than the fact of evolution.
Posted by: benedictkenny Dec 11 2007, 06:26 PM
But a theory is very different from a hypothesis, contrary to what your tone suggests.
I love you. Do you love me?
Posted by: NoSex Dec 11 2007, 07:13 PM
What the f**k are you talking about?
So, you think evolution is convincing, but you think that Christianity is just that much more convincing? And, science doesn't require that anyone have "faith" in it. It has something a lot more useful and meaningful - reason.
Yes.
Posted by: Call911Quick Dec 12 2007, 05:46 AM
"Meaningful"?
Tell me, if everything you say, feel, and do is simply a series of chemical reactions, and that you are comprised mostly of Nitrogen, Oxygen, Carbon, and Hydrogen, does life have meaning?
If you put that much faith in science, why don't we all eat a bland substance which provides us with all the nutritions required for survival and growth to maximize efficiency and lower starvation? What's the point of art? Artists can be put to much more efficient uses, such as constructing buildings.
And yes, science does require faith. In fact, everything requires faith. When you sit down on a chair, you put faith in the chair that it can support your weight. When you go to class, you put faith in the fact that your teacher will be there. When you leave the room, your faith in Conservation of Energy tells you that everything is still present, even though you can't sense it. That's all part of a psychological "religion" though, saying how things don't really exist and such...
I can't explain it, why I believe in Christianity. It's just somehow, I know God is there.
Posted by: pureimaginationx23 Dec 12 2007, 10:04 PM
I love you. Do you love me?
Well yeah, but a theory is basically just a tested out hypothesis.
And yeah, ily. lol.
Posted by: brooklyneast05 Dec 14 2007, 08:46 PM
And yeah, ily. lol.
a theory in science is good enough that u can essentially just call it fact for the most part. i don't really see the point in stressing that it's just a theory. when we talk about gravity we don't say, "OH BUT YEAH, I MEAN IT'S JUST A THEORY OK, IT'S JUST A THEORY, GRAVITY IS A THEORY". we don't do that while talking about any of the other scientific theories that are just as valid as this one. so why only stress this point with evolution? that's what i never understand, let's be consistent.
Posted by: Joss-eh-lime Dec 15 2007, 01:40 AM
If you don't believe in God, at least try to follow Ghandi's example. So much teen anger and angst on these forums. I can't believe the insane amount of HATE towards Christians.
Let's say some guy offers you pie. But no, you hate pie. What do you do?
Most of you guys would take the pie, shove it in said guy's face, and walk away, perhaps after shoving a broom up their ass.
haha i pretty much agree.
Posted by: brooklyneast05 Dec 15 2007, 11:46 AM
then u too should show us the examples of "hate"
Posted by: Spirited Away Dec 17 2007, 11:52 AM
Your accordance has no grounds. I ditto what brooklyneast05 said, so can you clarify?
Posted by: Joss-eh-lime Dec 20 2007, 04:40 PM
i agree with what Call911Quick said.
thats why i quoted it and said i agree.
but i already posted my thoughts about this topic earlier. so if you really care you can find them.
Posted by: brooklyneast05 Dec 20 2007, 04:43 PM
thats why i quoted it and said i agree.
but i already posted my thoughts about this topic earlier. so if you really care you can find them.
he said this thread had hate in it, and u agreed with him. then we asked u to show us where the hate is. yeah we can go read ur post but why would we? we weren't asking about that, we were asking u and him to show us the hate against christians that u claim is in this thread.
Posted by: libertie Jan 7 2008, 12:33 PM
I think it's a bit unfair to split this topic up between "Christians" and "Atheists" in such a manner. Sure, it might have been obvious who I am based on my previous posts, but as a former Christian myself, I can honestly say that I don't hold any hate or resentment towards Christians. I'm probably the only person in my immediate family who claims to be an atheist, so by saying that I'm showing hatred towards Christianity you're essentially suggesting that I resent my family members because of their religion.
This guy specifically is not doing the right thing by showing people a prayer that will supposedly "save" them just by repeating it word for word. Salvation, for Christians, is a much more personal experience. It won't happen because someone told them to be saved, and it won't happen simply because he posted this prayer. What he doesn't realize is the fact that not only is he barking up the wrong tree here, but he's offending people in the process.
By saying that you think the atheists are showing hate and the Christians are being respectful, you yourself are showing a clear bias towards the Christian posters. From my perspective, we've all been rather respectful in this thread regardless of our respective religions.
Posted by: Sulfur Jan 7 2008, 05:14 PM
THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT YOU SHOULD KNOW:
1. REALIZE THAT YOU ARE A SINNER AND IN NEED OF A SAVIOR:
Ro 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"
Ro 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"
This all began with the story of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. God created them perfect, there was no death or sorrow. God told them not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They disobeyed God and as a result, sin entered into the world. The pain which this world sees is the result of sin.
2. BECAUSE OF OUR SINS, WE DIE BOTH SPIRITUALLY AND PHYSICALLY, BUT GOD SENT HIS SON TO TAKE OUR PUNISHMENT AND GIVE US A CHANCE NOT TO HAVE TO GO TO HELL.
Ro 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
Ro 5:8 "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."
Every person who has ever lived is a sinner and is not righteous because we do bad things. A sin is a crime against God, just as if you steal something at the store, it is punishable by going to jail. It's the same thing with sin. Even if we lie one time, the punishment is hell, which is a prison for those who commit crimes against God. No matter how well you live your life from then on, you have already committed a sin which will be punished if you are not pardoned. If you commit a crime, and then live as a good citizen you still will go to jail for the crime you committed. Right? Just as the president can pardon a crime so you won't go to jail, Jesus can pardon your sins so that you do not go to hell, and can go to heaven when you die.
3. IF WE WILL ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS OUR LORD WITH OUR MOUTHS AND BELIEVE IN OUR HEARTS THAT HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD, BY DOING THIS WE ARE RECEIVING HIM:
Ro 10:9,10 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: {power: or, the right, or, privilege}
(KJV)
You cannot get to heaven by being a good person, going to church, baptism or any other way other than by turning to Jesus and asking Him to forgive you for your sins and save you. While these are good things to do, some people believe that they will get to heaven if they do these things, but the bible says that there is only one way to heaven and that is through receiving what Jesus Christ did on the cross for you.
Will you do that today? If you will, you can be 100% sure that you will go to heaven when you die.
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD FOR YOUR SINS? DO YOU ACCEPT WHAT HE DID FOR YOU TO PAY FOR YOUR SINS?
4. If you are willing to receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior please pray this right now, from your heart to God,
"Dear LORD JESUS, I believe that YOU died on the Cross and Rose from the dead for my sins. I ask you to come into my heart and forgive me for my sins, take me to heaven when I die. I now receive You as my Lord and Savior. Thank You for saving me. In Jesus holy name, Amen."
If you prayed that prayer from your heart to God, and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven when you die.
Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism.
Was that copied and pasted?
Posted by: monster Jan 7 2008, 11:50 PM
Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus
You remind me of the slave owners who twisted God's Word to get their side of the point across. Good job!
Posted by: jaeman Jan 8 2008, 07:38 AM
"Give and you shall receive." 
Posted by: Spirited Away Jan 8 2008, 11:16 AM
I got bored of this. Why hasn't my questions been answered by the OP? Isn't there a rule where if you made the topic you have to stick by it and not leave in the midst of debate? It is rather... annoying when you provoke people and then... disappear or ingore them.
Hmm.
So, who likes ice cream?
Posted by: libertie Jan 8 2008, 12:23 PM
It is quite sad, I think he's moved on to another forum. I'd like to finish the discussion.
And I very much like ice cream. What flavor depends on my mood - I like peanut butter, mint chocolate chip, and banana-flavored when I can find it.
Posted by: ZaraS Jan 8 2008, 12:26 PM
I've never had peanut butter ice cream.
I'm very much partial to mango sorbet, myself.
Posted by: libertie Jan 8 2008, 12:31 PM
Fae, you are one amazing thread hijacker.
I would like to revisit the point that all atheists are bad-tempered towards Christians, though. I'm not going to reword my post but that statement really sort of irked me in a very non-hateful-towards-christianity way.
Posted by: NoSex Jan 8 2008, 04:50 PM
I don't know, they always loved me at their churches. I've been bought books, sent letters, asked to outings, etc. etc. I've been to dozens of churches and youth groups and despite my vocal and explicit atheism I was almost always very welcome. Only a few occasions have I met with violent and or extreme opposition inside a church.
But, yeah, it's a lame accusation. Most atheists I know are perfectly polite, as well are most Christians I know.
Posted by: xfrodobagginsx Jan 8 2008, 07:28 PM
I'm sorry. I was away for a while. Do you have a question for me? I will certainly answer it to the best of my ability.
Posted by: Spirited Away Jan 8 2008, 09:43 PM
I would like to revisit the point that all atheists are bad-tempered towards Christians, though. I'm not going to reword my post but that statement really sort of irked me in a very non-hateful-towards-christianity way.
<3.
I love the classic Neapolitan.
Alas, I'm being ignore. Le Sigh.
Posted by: yrrnotelekktric Jan 9 2008, 03:03 PM
i totally know the answer to this question.
you dont.
Posted by: JerzDevil Jan 9 2008, 06:41 PM
Y'all are f**king stupid. Whoever said Heaven/Hell is not real, please shut up. Heaven and Hell is real. If you live the life that God gave you, and seek Him, you will go to heaven. You guys ever heard of Evangelism? What the thread creator posted is like what a real missionary would say to christians or non-christians. Evangelism is the Christian practice of preaching the Gospel of Jesus to both Christians (i.e. Orthodox and Catholics) or non-Christians. I respect that.
Posted by: yrrnotelekktric Jan 9 2008, 07:24 PM
^what if you`re an atheist/agnostic?
Posted by: NoSex Jan 9 2008, 08:07 PM
Y'all are f**king stupid. Whoever said Elysium/Hades is not real, please shut up. Elysium and Hades is real. If you live the life that Zeus gave you, and seek Him, you will go to Elysium.
Posted by: Spirited Away Jan 9 2008, 08:38 PM
It seems you're very lost. Maybe you should re-read this thread before jumping to conclusions and making a fuss out of nothing. Also re-read the first post to see that the creator of this thread is also lost. Actually, it's part of the rules of this forum. Someone should report you.
Just a suggestion.
Posted by: monster Jan 10 2008, 12:48 AM
Missionaries don't spam. Sorry.
Posted by: JuggaloSKfan Jan 10 2008, 12:57 AM
Agreed, altho, i am Christian and believe in that, most Christians try to change people, and thats just damn wrong, if your so in love with god, why try to change there minds that god gave them?
i mean its ok to tell them what you believe and if they think something correct them, but damn dude, dont force them to believe it!
im not stong on going to church etc. so dont be hatin' lol
i find chruch creepy...there all like zombies like "OHHH JEEESSSUUSS OHHH LOORRRDDD II FFEEELLL YOU!"
its like get the hell away from me!
Posted by: monster Jan 10 2008, 11:54 AM
i mean its ok to tell them what you believe and if they think something correct them, but damn dude, dont force them to believe it!
im not stong on going to church etc. so dont be hatin' lol
i find chruch creepy...there all like zombies like "OHHH JEEESSSUUSS OHHH LOORRRDDD II FFEEELLL YOU!"
its like get the hell away from me!
You're better off a deist.
Posted by: Steven Jan 10 2008, 12:05 PM
do not want
Posted by: Synesthesia Jan 10 2008, 12:06 PM
All right, all right. Jason, atheists are not necessarily stupid, so please don't say that. You are supposed to respect everyone's opinions when posting in the Debate forum (and on cB in general).
Posted by: Joss-eh-lime Jan 12 2008, 02:57 PM
i mean its ok to tell them what you believe and if they think something correct them, but damn dude, dont force them to believe it!
im not stong on going to church etc. so dont be hatin' lol
i find chruch creepy...there all like zombies like "OHHH JEEESSSUUSS OHHH LOORRRDDD II FFEEELLL YOU!"
i find your av creepy
the Christian idea is that we know the answer on how to get to heaven, so why wouldn't you share that with others?
like having the cure to cancer and keeping it to yourself.
Posted by: Spirited Away Jan 12 2008, 08:33 PM
the Christian idea is that we know the answer on how to get to heaven, so why wouldn't you share that with others?
like having the cure to cancer and keeping it to yourself.
What I want you to do is add "supposed" to everything you think is true. For example, "they have the supposed cure to cancer". Now, of course you're not gonna want to do what I tell you, but don't worry, I'm not offended.
In this case, we want you people to go ahead and keep your notions of God and whatnot to yourself because we find them silly and unfounded most of the time. If you cannot do that, then don't get all fussy on people who want to belittle you or talk down on you. After all, in a sense, you guys started doing that very thing by trying to stuff these things down people's throats.
Oh, if you do have the cure to cancer, literally, do tell.
Posted by: monster Jan 12 2008, 08:43 PM
In this case, we want you people to go ahead and keep your notions of God and whatnot to yourself because we find them silly and unfounded most of the time. If you cannot do that, then don't get all fussy on people who want to belittle you or talk down on you. After all, in a sense, you guys started doing that very thing by trying to stuff these things down people's throats.
Oh, if you do have the cure to cancer, literally, do tell.
pics of you now.
Posted by: Call911Quick Jan 12 2008, 10:44 PM
This thread obviously isn't going anywhere, let's close this and all future religion threads that pop up.
Posted by: Spirited Away Jan 12 2008, 11:02 PM
'zat you Podo? Do you have facebook? All my pics are on there now... well... i guess i'll post it somewhere for a day.
EDIT: My picture is in my subprofile. It's a picture of me and my friend's daughter.
Posted by: monster Jan 13 2008, 12:13 AM
EDIT: My picture is in my subprofile. It's a picture of me and my friend's daughter.
yeah, dis b podo. i got's a facebook. search up kun ham in north carolina. i think i'm the only one in...nc. 3 in the whole world or so.
Posted by: Steven Jan 13 2008, 11:13 AM
EDIT: My picture is in my subprofile. It's a picture of me and my friend's daughter.
Are you viet?
Posted by: Spirited Away Jan 13 2008, 09:04 PM
Yuppers. Well, most of me, I guess.
Posted by: Bishinobi Jan 13 2008, 09:22 PM
Nuh uh, cuz I ignored what they said.
(Wow, late response)
Posted by: monster Jan 13 2008, 10:01 PM
let's do the nasty.
Posted by: Steven Jan 13 2008, 10:59 PM
Damn I'm good.
Posted by: Spirited Away Jan 13 2008, 11:10 PM
Just because I'm Viet? LOL. I can introduce you some older Viet women.
You are. Very few guessed right on the first try.
Posted by: monster Jan 13 2008, 11:23 PM
You are. Very few guessed right on the first try.
no, i don't generally like viets because all they want me to do is give them rides in my car and to borrow my money.
buut, i like a smart girl, preferrably smarter than i am.
Posted by: Spirited Away Jan 14 2008, 12:50 PM
Oh my.
Posted by: yrrnotelekktric Jan 14 2008, 08:40 PM
You are. Very few guessed right on the first try.
i had to laugh.
Posted by: jaeman Jan 15 2008, 05:49 AM
Just follow the rules set forth for your religion.
Posted by: JuggaloSKfan Jan 17 2008, 06:20 PM
the Christian idea is that we know the answer on how to get to heaven, so why wouldn't you share that with others?
like having the cure to cancer and keeping it to yourself.
Thats 100% different, i mean, they do anything in there power to turn you into a Christian, they have no respect for other peoples believes
P.S.
My av is creepy?!
SHWEET!
Posted by: NoSex Jan 17 2008, 09:37 PM
Would you rather be respected for your false beliefs and suffer forever in eternal damnation or be converted and live forever in complete and perfect happiness?
Posted by: xfrodobagginsx Jan 24 2008, 11:14 PM
Good point.
Posted by: Call911Quick Jan 25 2008, 05:25 AM
^umm, don't necro post pls, especially on this topic. Sum1 close dis. >_<
Posted by: Steven Jan 25 2008, 10:05 AM
1 week isn't "necro" posting, and you can't ask for it to be closed, it's not your thread.
Posted by: BunkyWhiteGirl Jan 25 2008, 10:07 AM
Don't do anything bad.
Posted by: brooklyneast05 Jan 25 2008, 11:32 AM
yeah, what steven said
why would we close this anyway?
Posted by: tungmyBANANA Jan 25 2008, 06:33 PM
So how do you achieve nirvana?
Posted by: Steven Jan 26 2008, 02:52 AM
nevermind
Posted by: Call911Quick Jan 26 2008, 09:27 AM
why would we close this anyway?
Cuz there's about 3 other threads on the front page about the same topic? I don't know.
Posted by: brooklyneast05 Jan 26 2008, 11:30 AM
i duno which other topics you're talking about. yours?
Posted by: yrrnotelekktric Jan 26 2008, 11:07 PM
Haha, Jude. I love your posts.
Posted by: Call911Quick Jan 26 2008, 11:32 PM
This one:
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=196625
and this one:
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=196038
oh, and this one:
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=192554
There's other ones that deal with Christianity too, but aren't too closely attached. I'm pretty sure I didn't start any of those.
Posted by: tungmyBANANA Jan 26 2008, 11:38 PM
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=196625
and this one:
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=196038
oh, and this one:
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=192554
There's other ones that deal with Christianity too, but aren't too closely attached. I'm pretty sure I didn't start any of those.
Wrong.
The first link is about if God is real or not. It has nothing to do with heaven or hell. It might relate somewhat, but it's a big difference for it to have a topic to itself
Second link talks about where do you go after you die? This topic is about how to get to heaven when you die. The other topic could discuss things about other possibilities besides heaven. So it's two distinct topics
Third link talks about the religion Christianity and him explaining it to people. It doesn't necessarily have to be all about heaven questions.
Okay.
Posted by: Call911Quick Jan 27 2008, 09:48 AM
^right, this thread is simply only about how to get to heaven. It derailed into a debate over Christianity just like all the other threads, with the exception that there is a brutal bashing of the OP in this one.
Posted by: brooklyneast05 Jan 27 2008, 10:56 AM
brutal bashing? is that the same as earlier when there was supposedly "christian hate", yet nobody seemed be able to come up with some examples for us of how there was hate?
Posted by: JTFLxtatic Jan 27 2008, 02:23 PM
Ugh. Both were disgusting.. ;(
Posted by: Call911Quick Jan 29 2008, 08:44 AM
"Brutal bashing" is a phrase. An expression. It is also an exaggeration. When I say "You're as red as a tomato", I don't mean you are literally... you get my point.
You really have it in for me huh? Doing everything you can to find even the slightest discrepancy in my posts.
Posted by: brooklyneast05 Jan 29 2008, 08:50 AM
no, i just think it's annoying that you exaggerate things out of proportion and act like some big injustice is being done here. not just you, but anyone who comes in here and talks about brutal bashing and christian hate when there isn't really any of it in here. it leads new readers of this thread to think that's what's going on.
Posted by: Spirited Away Jan 29 2008, 06:25 PM
Ditto.
And a couple of people in debate (though they were young) have accused me of being "hateful" towards Christians before. I promise that was as tolerable as they were to a person of a different faith. So, this is a sensitive subject for me when I'm, or anyone for that matter, is being accused (even in exaggeration) of being hateful of another person for their religious devotions.
It's not right, and there's no evidence supporting it, but people will believe what they read in a couple of posts and go along with the all the zeal.
Posted by: Tamacracker Feb 14 2008, 09:29 PM
If someone threatened my life right now with a shot gun to my head, I'd ask them to pull the trigger... why? Cuz I'm pretty much happy, plus they'd be doin me a favor taken me out of this struggle in life (life is a struggle...) on top of that I followed the Laws of God, so the day I die, I'll die with a smile on my face... cuz I'm finally free :D (No Emo)
Posted by: Spirited Away Feb 16 2008, 09:59 PM
If life is a struggle and you want to end it, aren't you running away from obstacles that God blessed you with so that you can grow and mature? Struggles are meant to be overcome. Good triumphs over Evil not by being idle or quitting, don't you know?
I wanna know your take on this.
Posted by: xfrodobagginsx Feb 27 2008, 11:48 PM
Science and the bible:
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml
Posted by: brooklyneast05 Feb 27 2008, 11:50 PM
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml
i heard you're going to hell, is that true?
Posted by: Steven Feb 28 2008, 10:15 AM
Wouldn't asking them to pull the trigger be your influence on taking the easy way out of life? Couldn't that deem you a quitter or cheat?
Posted by: DeadlyKitten Feb 29 2008, 02:07 AM
if you believe in God and Jesus and that you are going to heaven cool, if you don't its whatever. God or to some people "science" gave you a mind and emotions and the free will to do what pleases you most. He won't hate you for not believing, you simply wont go to heaven...I'm a christian so thats what i believe in. I have friends that don't believe in God, friends that are confused about it, friends that believe in different religions and have their own beliefs, but i don't judge them, i respect them. if my beliefs differ from a persons its just something i wont disscuss. theres always gna be people that believe in something someone else doesnt. I see nothing wrong with this guys posting this because its what he believes in. if its something you don't believe in say why without bashing it. the most ignorant people are the ones that don't believe in anything at all and then they always find reasons in which other people shouldnt believe either...and half the time they say the most ignorant things. if you believe God is a magical unicorn that lives on Pluto i'll respect you for that because its what you believe in...thow i dont feel the same i'm not going to say hey your dumb. I don't know. I just think that if your going to have a debate about God at least repect it in an adult matter.
Posted by: Sulfur Feb 29 2008, 07:32 AM
Your life and the sins and good you've done is just between you and God. God is the only person who can judge you. All your life you can act all goody and pretending you go to church, like you really give a damn but in the end God knows the truth and what's in your heart.
Mind Closed
Posted by: brooklyneast05 Feb 29 2008, 01:06 PM
that's ridiculous. why on earth would you want to make something respectable just because it's a belief? what if they decide their magical unicorn on pluto is telling them that they need to blow themselves and thousands of other people up? what if they believe that everyone who doesn't wanna take a ride on the magical unicorn should be killed? are you still gonna respect their belief then?
Posted by: shei Feb 29 2008, 01:26 PM
Everyone says something different so f**k it, i go wherever the f**k i wanna go when i die.
Maybe ill go bother my second grade teacher Mrs.Dernis, or maybe ill sit on a beach in fiji, who the f**k cares where you go when you die, stop thinking about that man just live your damn life the way you want after all i believe life is the journey where ever it is were ALL going. 
Some people just get there sooner than others.
Posted by: xfrodobagginsx Mar 6 2008, 02:50 PM
Link to a guy who says he went to hell and back.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5910699532828872069&q=%22to+hell+and+back%22&total=417&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
Posted by: emberfly Mar 8 2008, 12:03 AM
will you marry me?
Posted by: ChaseTheDragon Mar 8 2008, 12:04 AM
You believe in Heaven? I don't.
Posted by: rejakalu Mar 22 2008, 11:28 AM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5910699532828872069&q=%22to+hell+and+back%22&total=417&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
Oh for the love of God, just stop talking. You're giving a bad name to people who believe in God. Honestly. I believe in God. It's a huge part of my life. But it's nothing cliche and taped together like your little attempt to convert people to Christianity via createBlog. Seriously, if you want to prove that there is a God, go completely change someone's life.
Did Jesus go around being like, "hey, if you guys don't worship me you're going to hell?" Uh. NO. I'm pretty sure he walked around, befriending and loving the people who sinned against him. Honestly. Change your tactics, kid. 'Cause you're just turning even more people off to the possibity.
You've totally made this topic a joke. Thanks for that.
Posted by: Freeborn-Kiwi Mar 22 2008, 11:47 AM
Well, I know one way that's certain.
Sacrafice your life for someone else and you get an automatic ticket.
It's an option for those who want to commit suicide.
Just throw someone in the middle of a road. When the car's close enough, run into the street and push your victim out of the way and your hit.
------
Now that I think about it, you can't play God.
Posted by: fameONE Mar 22 2008, 12:35 PM
Sacrafice your life for someone else and you get an automatic ticket.
It's an option for those who want to commit suicide.
Just throw someone in the middle of a road. When the car's close enough, run into the street and push your victim out of the way and your hit.
------
Now that I think about it, you can't play God.
Posted by: Reidar Mar 23 2008, 02:42 AM
However alleviating it may be to take refuge in after-life insurance through religion has no bearing on whether or not it's actually true.
Posted by: NoSex Mar 23 2008, 03:03 AM
Whatever happened to good old argumentation? Do 'warm and fuzzy' really mean that much to you?
He or she might be trying to convince from fear, but all you're doing is trying to convince us through compassion - neither "tactic" is very deductive. No matter how you cut the cake, you're still arguing from emotionalism - how can you expect us to believe when you can't demonstrate to us your points plainly or clearly? This is the debate forum, not the "I have feelings" forum.
P.S. If the "you're going to hell otherwise" line of reasoning makes Christians look bad, why do you make it seem like it does so only when you vocalize it? It's not like non-believers are utterly oblivious to Christian theology. The eternal suffering thing sort of is a reality, according to most denominations. And, whether you say it or not, it still kind of makes you all a huge joke.
Posted by: doughnut Mar 23 2008, 04:02 AM
why, everything seems so hard just to go to heaven. and we dont even know for sure there is one.
let me just dont give a shit and do whatever.
----
oh and, when i think about it, i can do whatever the hell i want, steal, mob, kill, and just before i die, realize all my wrong doings, and say what was up there, then i'll go straight to heaven. damn, that's pretty easy mate.
Posted by: Sumiaki Mar 23 2008, 06:32 AM
We all need something to believe in and put faith towards to, and I respect that.
As for today, Sunday, I personally believe that the easter bunny shall bless and guide me to a salvation of chocolate eggs. If not, I am converting back to the energizer bunny.
Posted by: rejakalu Mar 23 2008, 08:44 PM
He or she might be trying to convince from fear, but all you're doing is trying to convince us through compassion - neither "tactic" is very deductive. No matter how you cut the cake, you're still arguing from emotionalism - how can you expect us to believe when you can't demonstrate to us your points plainly or clearly? This is the debate forum, not the "I have feelings" forum.
I guess you're right. I did kinda get caught up with the emotional part of God. 'Cause once you get past the technical part of it, a lot of it is emotion. But I guess the point I was getting at was that instead of telling people about God, you should show people God. As cliche as that sounds.
Well this is a debate forum though. So yeah. I'm done at this thread, I guess.
Posted by: Tamacracker Mar 24 2008, 01:55 PM
I wanna know your take on this.
I wanna know your take on this.
Life's a struggle... and it's meant to be overcome, this is true. The reason why life's a struggle is mainly because of finances. The world stopped believing in prophets and began to believe in profits. Thus screwing their neighbors and others across the world for their own personal and selfish gains whether they realize it or not.
How am I running away from obstacles when there's a crazy bastard with a shot gun to my head? He's now playin the game of God. He has my life in his hands, he chooses to kill me or not because he has the free will that God gave him.
I'd rather have him commit murder on me, ruining his soul while I get to die benevolently. I've beaten my struggles.. and I keep beatin them, the only struggle I have is a materialistic one, one of which we depend on in order to survive. Money. Other than money... I rarely have to struggle and that's because my faith is monstrous.
If I could, I would save up as much money as possible, go to a small island or a poor ass country, buy a piece of land away from humanity... and depend on planet earth to provide me with shelter, food, and entertainment. I've already dedicated 2 years of my life without materialism. No car, bike, tv, video games, board games, money, etc... and I accomplished it. So in the end of it all... I might be movin to Kauai and chill out in the jungles, eat my own fruits/vegetables, my own hunted meat, drink fresh water from the springs etc... :D
Anyways, I don't fear death. I love death and welcome it with open arms. I don't fear hell because I won't spend the rest of eternity in it. I've recognized all the wrong things I've done, I've changed them all... and never have I crossed those lines again.
Posted by: Sulfur Mar 24 2008, 11:44 PM
I would only fear death is there was no afterlife. Existence is important to me. I would rather exist in the flames of hell than just be....well....dead with no existence at all.
Posted by: rejakalu Mar 25 2008, 01:04 AM
I second that.
I used to be like, all freaked out like, "zomgz what if i die?" and such. But over the past couple months, I've been realizing exactly that. Like, I'm still young, and I haven't accomplished everything you have, and I haven't exactly beaten all my struggles. But honestly, I don't care if I die. I'd much rather meet God early than work out my problems.
O.o I'd rather not exist.
Hell is more than just fire.
Posted by: Sulfur Mar 25 2008, 01:10 AM
Depends on your beliefs of hell. In Buddhism you don't spend the rest of eternity in hell, same with Islam.
You just pay for your sins first then whatever happens from there, well happens.
Being non-existent somewhat just scares me. It's like....nothing I fear thinking about that.
Posted by: Kevinkatalyst Mar 25 2008, 01:12 AM
I have really bad experience with preachers like this topic starter and I search this guy on google and on every forum possible he talks about this no offense but please get a life people have their own beliefs so stop preachinmg
Posted by: rejakalu Mar 25 2008, 01:25 AM
You just pay for your sins first then whatever happens from there, well happens.
Being non-existent somewhat just scares me. It's like....nothing I fear thinking about that.
Meh. Even if it's not for eternity. I'd still be impatient. Like, I could barely take four hours of detention.
Not existing would just be like before you were born. The idea doesn't scare me. Sometimes I feel like it'd be nice to not exist. Hell of a lot easier.
And I mean, it's not like you'd notice. :P
But now I'm wondering... Can souls be destroyed?
..Should I make a new topic for that?
Posted by: Reidar Mar 25 2008, 04:10 AM
Why would you even ask? I've destroyed plenty of souls. Souls are for weaklings.
The fear of death and its abeyance is irrational because it's pertaining to something among the inevitable. The concept of immutable fear on a single circumstance, in contrast, is not so assured. Fear is a reactionary system, initiated through trepidation by something perceived as a threat. The catalyst, death, is a notion until realized; it cannot actually be experienced by the phobia sufferer and stored as a survival assimilation. An idea, in and of itself, cannot harm, going against the very concept of rational fear as a defense mechanism. Through an oblivious "existence", there is nothing gained; oblivion constitutes a lack thereof. It is irrational to be disconsolated about something that doesn't exist.
By the way, if anyone were to argue that death being a reality succeeds it as a notion, that would incorrectly be inferring that a notion is the antonym of possibility.
Sulfur said that he would only fear death in the consequence of no existence. There is no alternative to that. Otherwise, it would no longer be the fear of death, but a fear of whatever unknown is destined for occurrence.
Personally, Heaven sounds like it would be Hell to me. Comfort spawns complacency.
Posted by: Tamacracker Mar 25 2008, 10:37 AM
You just pay for your sins first then whatever happens from there, well happens.
Being non-existent somewhat just scares me. It's like....nothing I fear thinking about that.
True... it's supposed to be a process of cleansing. You pay the time for the mistakes you've made and never acknowledged nor felt guilt of.
If there's no heaven or hell... then be it. I'm not scared of something that is supposed to happen. Fearing death will consume you, easily.
Also Reidar made a comment about how he would fear heaven. Honestly, we don't know what heaven is. Heaven can be anything that only gives you happiness, no other emotion or physical pain.
In my opinion if I could create my own heaven, it would be me flying endlessly around the universes as a form of energy. I would ask God to give me the complete history of everything that has ever existed. Well... whatever that's me :P
Posted by: Reidar Mar 25 2008, 01:45 PM
I don't fear anything. I said that it would be boring.
Posted by: Tamacracker Mar 25 2008, 02:28 PM
I stand corrected!
Posted by: Sulfur Mar 25 2008, 09:23 PM
That's quite true, but because we already exist, it's too much to handle when you know you're going to be nothing again. Not experience pain nor suffering, love, happiness, anger, yada.
Life, and existence is something I cherish, because to me it's one of the most important things to have.
Posted by: Be-Faithful Mar 26 2008, 03:04 PM
na na na don't make the philosof n*gga
life is important to have but this is important to don't have too.
dificult to understand my word, but think about it n*gga
Posted by: nguoicasison Mar 26 2008, 03:07 PM
life is important to have but this is important to don't have too.
dificult to understand, but think about it n*gga :smile:
OMFG!!!! HAHAHAHAHAAH HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAH!!!
...gooodd luckk tryda undersstandd that ppl..
Posted by: Be-Faithful Mar 26 2008, 03:08 PM
f**k yooooooooo
here I AM the philosof 
how many book about it have I read , how many thinks about it have I ? infinite fo sho
Posted by: Tamacracker Mar 26 2008, 03:15 PM
here I AM the philosof
how many book about it have I read , how many thinks about it have I ? infinite fo shoRight... let us know when you read, "Egyptian Book Of The Dead" and "Tibetan Book Of The Dead"
Posted by: Be-Faithful Mar 26 2008, 03:17 PM
i'm speaking about machiavelli mista fake muscle but you don't know how to read right ? then go to school
dont wanna spam here
Posted by: Tamacracker Mar 26 2008, 03:23 PM
but you don't know how to read right ? then go to schooldont wanna spam here
Mother fucker please. You can't even type in proper English. Talkin bout go back to school lol Go back to the hole you came from, your mother's pussy, you waste of space and oxygen
"Niccolo Machiavelli" roflmao "Art of War". You're such a poser.
Posted by: Be-Faithful Mar 26 2008, 03:25 PM
okay
Posted by: Tamacracker Mar 26 2008, 03:28 PM
say good bye to windowwwwwwwws
He threatened my "windows" lol I use Linux kid. And the machine I use is a corporate machine, good luck tryin to crack our network credentials.
Any mods would like to give me his IP address? I would like to take this threat on a serious level and bring it to the NOC department. Wouldn't mind having the FBI take this pathetic fool away from society.
Posted by: brooklyneast05 Mar 26 2008, 03:29 PM
i'd like everyone to shut up and get back on topic.
get out of debate bnox and take your little ngggdjgslgjsdlfdkjf buddy with you.
Posted by: Sulfur Mar 26 2008, 06:25 PM
Because of the interruption...
Life, and existence is something I cherish, because to me it's one of the most important things to have.
Posted by: BadCraziness Mar 29 2008, 02:36 AM
Heaven is where all the interesting people are missing.
So even if it did exist, I'd rather be just chilling on the first level of Hell with Aristotle and Sophocles and Hunter Thompson for the rest of eternity.
lmao theists have such funny beliefs.
Posted by: BadCraziness Mar 29 2008, 02:41 AM
Life isn't a struggle meant to be overcome. That's like saying life's just a game that you need to win.
Life is an amazing wonderful thing and it should be cherished and thoroughly enjoyed, because it is the only thing that is guaranteed to us and it is so, so precious.
People believed in profits and selfishness faaaar before they believed in prophets. Do you have, like, no concept of history whatsoever?
Posted by: Tamacracker Mar 29 2008, 03:05 AM
Actually that's funny. Are you some rich kid of suburbia? Life's a struggle without hand outs. You're gonna tell me that without hand outs that life isn't a struggle? You aint bullshitting me, son. I struggled like a mother f**ker without hand outs; with jobs, finances, educations etc... you aint foolin anyone.
And I agree...
No. Wrong. You're already annoying me with your close minded ignorance. Don't mention history when you can't even accept historical events scripted into the Old Testament, Quran, Talmud, or Torah. My knowledge of the Kabbalah (no not that Modonna bullshit Americanized shit) alone will destroy anything you know. Shit's deeper than any thought you ever had =\
And I'm not assuming, I can just read you by reading your posts. Atheist or Satanist.. same shit, that's you; deal with it.
Posted by: BadCraziness Mar 29 2008, 05:32 AM
No, I'm actually pretty poor, not gonna lie. Sure, we struggle, some of us a hell of a lot more than others. But even though that I struggle, I refuse to view the concept of life as one giant struggle. I see life as the biggest and most important opportunity anyone will ever have.
And I'm not assuming, I can just read you by reading your posts. Atheist or Satanist.. same shit, that's you; deal with it.
Funny, you calling me close-minded, when you were ready to cut my head off because your religion tells you to.
And yes, you are assuming, lol. And where did I ever say I didn't accept the historical accuracy behind those religious texts? This would be another wrong assumption on your part, no matter what you think you can judge from my posts.
By the way, I thought that one of the greatest sins in Islam was judging someone? It doesn't matter how vast your knowledge is of Islamic texts if you're all talk and no walk, kid.
Posted by: ChaseTheDragon Mar 29 2008, 05:34 AM
Judging by your low amount of posts and signup date, you came here just for this thread, didn't you?
Posted by: Tamacracker Mar 29 2008, 05:40 AM
But what's the point? Since we're just gonna die and become nothin more than a big ol' meal for insects at the end of it all, right atheist?
Yeah satanists aren't worthy, in my opinion.
You're atheist, no?... so basically those historical texts are nothin more but fairy tales and mythologies. Right?
I'm not judgin you to hell... I'm not judging you in any ultimate way, bud. lol I'm plenty talk and plenty walk, you just don't know me on a personal level, nor do you know anything of God's laws.
Yeah looks like it.
Posted by: BadCraziness Mar 29 2008, 06:42 AM
Nah, I made the account earlier today, and I sort of stumbled into the forums and went Oooo!
I am an atheist mostly for that reason - I want to find my own point, my own purpose. Death is what gives meaning to life. It's what makes life so precious. It's what makes what we do here so important - because this is the only thing guaranteed to us, and it's not going to last very long. And the only thing guaranteed is pretty f**king important.
Without death, there'd just be a hell of a lot of small talk and boring shit. Which is what I imagine eternity to be like. So right now I'm hoping that after death there is nothing. I can't imagine what a theist afterlife would be like. How can anyone in Heaven stand being where they are when there are so many more people burning and suffering for an eternity? How anyone can bare to think "oh, well that person's in hell" of a dead person is beyond me. I think my heart would implode or some shit lol. This is why I can understand why believers shove their religion down everyone's throat - I'd like to believe that it's out of fear for the other person spending an eternity in hell. but for the most part they're just doing it to be dicks and feel superior, and i hope you're not one of them.
Although I couldn't prove it either way, I know in my heart that this can't be true. I suppose that this is the only thing I have faith about - the nonexistance of any kind of Hell.
No, I never said that. Most of it can be equated with fairy tales, but some recount historical events which really might have happened.
Posted by: Tamacracker Mar 29 2008, 09:17 AM
I am an atheist mostly for that reason - I want to find my own point, my own purpose. Death is what gives meaning to life. It's what makes life so precious. It's what makes what we do here so important - because this is the only thing guaranteed to us, and it's not going to last very long. And the only thing guaranteed is pretty f**king important.
Who's guaranteeing us this precious life?
But hell isn't eternal. Before you die, you must condition yourself to accept the possibility that there really is a God and there's really heaven and hell. You must prepare yourself for the worst and accept death as part of life. I think I'd fear nothingness more than hell itself. But then again... if there's nothingness then... well that's all that it is. We can't fathom nothingness, we don't know how to condition ourselves for nothingness.
The reason why religion is spread is not to force belief nor create an army. It's to keep the universal family together, because whether we accept it or not, we're all related. We have to be... this is what Islam teaches, that we're all brothers and sisters no matter what race you are... I'm related to you and I should look out for you. To be peaceful and loving to our brothers and sisters, across the world.
I'm probably rambling and not confronting your post very well... I'm still wakin up =\
Posted by: Rhianann Mar 29 2008, 06:14 PM
Lordy I don't even know where to start with that first post. Church = brainwashing. I know nothing I say will cure you of all the hoohaw shoved down your throat. Show me one shred of proof that what the bible says is accurate and truthful and I might believe in your recipe for heaven.
First of all, that whole adam and eve thing is old. And it's one of the most illogical things. If they didn't eat the apple, none of us would be here. Ever think about that?
I would also like to point out that if the world started with only two people, all of us are products of incest. Science has already proven that incest is unnatural and results in deformities and retardation. For the human race that is, some species of animals, if not most of them, can engage in procreation that way with no repercussions. The bible never mentions where their son found his wife. If they were the only two people to begin with that would make them and their sons the only people on the planet. Where did this wife come from?
And lastly, you are wrong. If there is a heaven you most certainly will get in by being a good person. You don't need God or church or priest to tell you the difference between right and wrong. Everybody is born inherently knowing the difference between right and wrong. Unless you're one of those psychos who's born without a conscience. If it doesn't feel wrong, then it isn't wrong. Masturbation doesn't feel wrong. Premarital sex doesn't feel wrong. Gay sex doesn't feel wrong.
Obviously the existance of Jesus must be true. There's too much documentation throughout history to refute that fact. Is he the son of God? Doubtful.
Posted by: Tamacracker Mar 30 2008, 02:33 AM
F.U.C.K. The Bible. Understand?
I don't even know what you're talkin about. Do you even know how many women Adam had in the first place?...
For the human race that is, some species of animals, if not most of them, can engage in procreation that way with no repercussions.
Are you agreeing with Science or disagreeing? And if you're agreeing with science, can you source that information? Cuz from my understanding, it's practically wise-tales/myths.
Erm... there was humans before Adam and Eve. Just not humans of God, they were humans of Lucifer/Satan's breed.
Uh... what? No human is born knowing right from wrong, they're taught through family values and moral support. That's why society is so f**ked up, these young parents didn't get to fully learn the morals and what was right from wrong, only to an extent. That's why their children are all f**ked up. Emos, homosexuals, druggies, what have you. Society is molding itself into self destruction, sooner or later.
Well problem is, there's two different Jesus. The pagan, satanic, roman version is the Jesus of Nazareth. While the true Jesus was born of a Virgin woman and is the true son of God, who did not die on the cross, nor did he become God.
Remember we're all carbon based. When we get science involved we're nothing but molecules. So the fact being that God is energy/infinite molecules. It is obvious that God did in fact implant molecules, which we call "sperm" into the body of the virgin mother.
Thus legitametly giving birth to the son of God, the one and only 1st perfect human being, who passed the test of God in order to become the ultimate and only Messiah of the human race, those who accept God as the creator of everything of everything, will be saved by the Messiah. No matter what religion they are... as long as they believe in God and God only... not Jesus, or some object or some pagan god(s).
Posted by: BadCraziness Apr 3 2008, 06:58 PM
Oh, gee, lol, idk, how about NATURE.
We have one life that we know exists for certain.
And the only thing guaranteed after that is death.
I can fathom nothingness. I'm in no hurry to meet my death - I'm so in enamored with life it makes me sick - but I'm not afraid of it, or nothingness. Because an eternity of ANYTHING is going to be pretty f**king boring. Death - an end - is what makes life meaningful.
Buddhism holds the same exact belief, that we are all interconnected, but no wars have been fought in the name of Buddhism.
Islam is a religion that says it's OK to strike down your brother in the name of the lord - what happened to the universal family here? ehhhh?
ex|
2:190-193 "Fight in the cause of God those who fight you ... And slay them wherever ye catch them ... And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression and there prevail justice and faith in God ..."
4:101 "... For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."
61:4 "Truly God loves those who fight in His cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure."
9:5 "... fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) ..."
BULLSHIT.
Posted by: Tamacracker Apr 3 2008, 07:04 PM
ex|
2:190-193 "Fight in the cause of God those who fight you ... And slay them wherever ye catch them ... And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression and there prevail justice and faith in God ..."
4:101 "... For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."
61:4 "Truly God loves those who fight in His cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure."
9:5 "... fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) ..."
BULLSHIT.
You're a f**kin devil.... those are fake quotes you sorry ass piece of shit.
004:101 And if you are on the offensive in the land, then there is no harm that you shorten the contact-method, if you fear that the disbelievers will try you. The disbelievers are to you a clear enemy.
002:190 And fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress, God does not like the aggressors.
002:191 And kill them wherever you find them, and expel them from where they expelled you, and know that persecution is worse than being killed. And do not fight them at the Restricted Temple unless they fight you in it; if they fight you then kill them, thus is the reward of the disbelievers.
002:192 And if they cease, then God is Forgiving, Merciful.
002:193 And fight them so there is no more persecution, and so that the system is God's. If they cease, then there will be no aggression except against the wicked.
061:004 God loves those who fight in His cause as one column; they are like bricks in a wall.
009:001 This is a revocation from God and His messenger to those with whom you have made a treaty from among those who have set up partners.
009:002 Therefore, roam the land for four months and know that you will not escape God, and that God will humiliate the rejectors
009:003 And a declaration from God and His messenger to the people, on this, the peak day of the Pilgrimage: "That God and His messenger are innocent from all those who set up partners." If you repent, then it is better for you, and if you turn away, then know that you will not escape God. And give news to those who have rejected of a painful retribution.
009:004 Except for those with whom you had a treaty from among those who have set up partners if they did not reduce anything from it nor did they plan to attack you; you shall continue the treaty with them until its expiry. God loves the righteous.
009:005 So when the restricted months have passed, then you may kill those who have set up partners wherever you find them, and take them, and surround them, and stand against them at every point. If they repent, and hold the contact-method, and contribute towards betterment, then you shall leave them alone. God is Forgiving, Merciful.
009:006 And if any of those who have set up partners seeks your protection, then you may protect him so that he may hear the words of God, then let him reach his sanctuary. This is because they are a people who do not know.
Again... atheist have derived from satan... this is there goal. I rest my case.
Posted by: BadCraziness Apr 3 2008, 07:06 PM
I wish they were.
Posted by: Tamacracker Apr 3 2008, 07:15 PM
You failed. I quoted those exact chapters and sections. f**kin devil.
Posted by: BadCraziness Apr 3 2008, 07:29 PM
The copy which I have in my hands was issued by ze local mosque and it says otherwise.~*~*~*
Posted by: Tamacracker Apr 4 2008, 10:01 AM
Who's the author? Which Ze Mosque is it?... Where's it located? I'm hoping you're not in America, cuz there's no Ze Mosques in U.S. soil.
I just realized you're a lil 16 year old. Which possibly means, you went to some random site one day, pulled up those quotes, got scared because you never ever in your life read a Quran, bookmarked it. Then you posted these fake ass quotes, when I called you on it and posted the true quotes, you quickly did a lil local search on a mosque via google and just named any random mosque not realizing that you named a "type" of Mosque that's not even located in America.
You're a fake... a child with no respect, you deserve a good ol' fashion spankin for your lack of respect, and your lies, kid.
EDIT: Oh look you're from Pennsylvania, North America.
Posted by: BadCraziness Apr 4 2008, 04:25 PM
jesus f**k.
Do you want me to take a picture of me taking a shit on it?
Fine.
1) I don't even know what a "Ze mosque" is lol, you misundestood what I was saying, and I didn't even SAY "ze mosque".
2) ze = lazy way of saying "the" and sounding pseudo-French. I'm watching Pepé Le Pew here. Ahhh, Loony Tunes.
HENCE "ze local mosque," not "ze mosque," whatever the f**k that is.
3) I only offer my respect to those who have earned it.
4) fuuuck you're an idiot.
Posted by: Tamacracker Apr 4 2008, 06:09 PM
Just to get things cleared here...
"A Muslim is expected to recognize the brotherhood of man and should treat a non-Muslim as a brother. Showing compassion and charity, Muslims believe, is doing service to God. Therefore, it is written in the Quran "No man is a true believer unless he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself. God will not be affectionate to that man who is not affectionate to God's creatures. Assist any person oppressed whether he is Muslim or non-Muslim."
Even animals are to be treated with care and love:
Mohammed repeatedly forbade cruelty to animals, saying in the Hadith popular tradition, "Whoever is kind to the creatures of God is kind to himself."
Similarly, Mohammed taught "A good deed done to a beast is as good as doing good to a human being; while an act of cruelty to a beast is as bad as an act of cruelty to a human being."
The Quran (6:38) explains that such benevolence flows directly from God: "There is not an animal on Earth, nor a bird that flies on it's wings, but they are communities like you."
The Quran does permit meat-eating, but its also encourages healthful foods (which, many Muslims conclude, does not include animal products). Given these traditions, many Shi'ite Muslims and the Islamic mystics, such as the Sufis, see vegetarianism as the Islamic ideal and choose this diet.
And just so that you get a better understanding instead of readin partial scripts and makin shit up in your head about how negative Islam is go http://snell.mystarband.net/philosophy/islam/islam_quran.htm:
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So you simply took them out of context by not adding the rest of the section, right?... All you did was highlight what you want to show, instead of highlighting everything to show the full chapter/sections.
As for Ze Mosques... there's such thing but they're located all over Africa, Eastern Europe, Middle East, and parts of Asia.
So what was your point in just posting up partial scripts?
And just a heads up, I don't want your respect... nor do I respect you. That's only because of your partial and misleading quotes.
Posted by: PrIncEoFSeXaPpeAL Apr 4 2008, 08:37 PM
hehe... tama vs badcraziness.. fun fun..
keepp goin 2 bietchez..
Posted by: xfrodobagginsx Apr 5 2008, 09:46 PM
Please take the time to read this first post and pray that prayer to God at the bottom of it if you haven't yet.
Posted by: xfrodobagginsx Apr 5 2008, 09:46 PM
Please take the time to read this first post and pray that prayer to God at the bottom of it if you haven't yet.
Posted by: PrIncEoFSeXaPpeAL Apr 5 2008, 09:53 PM
plzz stopp spaminn.. BIETCH...
Posted by: BadCraziness Apr 6 2008, 05:35 PM
1. Everything you've just posted only shows how the Qur'an contradicts itself. A peaceful quote does not erase all of the violent war-mongering ones.
2. I only took pictures of the individual passages because posting the whole goddamn page would take up too much space on the forum, and you wouldn't be able to see the words because it would be too unfocused. It was more for proof that yes I have read it and the quotes aren't fake like you kept saying.
3. Whether you read the whole chapter or not it still means the same thing. If the meaning would change based on context, I would have included it, or would have left it out of the original list of quotes. "Fight and slay Pagans wherever you find them" unless they start to believe in whatever you believe in is pretty f**king straightforward.
4. I'm not going to waste more time splitting hairs with you, goodbye.
Posted by: Tamacracker Apr 6 2008, 05:45 PM
Right because the KKK is truly what Christianity stands for, right? Good generalization
Yeah yeah... I ain't hearin non of your ish, child.
Ha... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. There's always a reason why to fight and always a reason when and why to not fight.
Promise? In fact I don't want you to even quote me nor question me when it comes to religion. Be assured that I'll just scroll past your posts.
Posted by: Sulfur Apr 7 2008, 03:38 PM
You can't interpret the Quran through the English. It may be inaccurate as it must be read and understood in Arabic.
The Quran, Gospel, Torah always contradicts itself if read thoroughly. Why in my opinion? Because passage could be meant to be interpreted in a different way than we read it.
I believe God gave us these books so we can find it in our hearts to interpret it for ourselves what is right and what is wrong. I don't see the laws passed down to be taken fully literally, as God's punishments may not happen after death unless you've done something severely wrong. (i.e. eating pork is very unhealthy and the chances of getting sick arise, thus may be God's punishment for disobeying)
But this is the way I see things and I don' care what everyone else says....
Mind Closed
Posted by: Tamacracker Apr 7 2008, 03:59 PM
Mind Closed
That's why it's good to get Hadiths as well, because of it's championship to the Quran. It's for better understanding.
Fortunately I've been studying Arabic and Hebrew. Hebrew because I need to read the Talmud in Hebrew as well as the Kabbalah. Not the English madonna version of the Kabbalah.
Posted by: Sulfur Apr 7 2008, 11:14 PM
Question about that.
How far have you advanced in studying Arabic? Reading the Quran in Arabic which is something I haven't done myself, but how much different is it than reading it translated?
Do you want me to take a picture of me taking a shit on it?
Fine.
BTW. Writing on a Holy Book is a very disrespectful thing to do, Atheist or not, you should treat with respect.
Posted by: NoSex Apr 8 2008, 12:15 AM
That's like me asking you not to cook eggs - it's blasphemous to the Easter Bunny.
Posted by: Sulfur Apr 8 2008, 08:45 AM
According to Christianity. Eggs are only forbidden to eat and cook during lent.
Also I doubt cooking eggs and writing on a Holy book are even on the same level.
Posted by: Tamacracker Apr 8 2008, 10:08 AM
How far have you advanced in studying Arabic? Reading the Quran in Arabic which is something I haven't done myself, but how much different is it than reading it translated?
Well I still have to use a translator sometimes with some terms... There's terms that English doesn't have and that alone makes the difference. I must admit though Abdullah Yusufali's translation into English is as accurate as it can get, which has been accurate so far compared to Arabic Quran.
Posted by: NoSex Apr 8 2008, 03:37 PM
They aren't. I was only drawing the analogy to show the absurdity of your statement. If there is no good reason to believe in the holiness of a book, why would it be disrespectful to slander, destroy, and or discount that book entirely? Sure people may believe in it, but, they don't believe in it for any better reason than anyone would have for believing in the Easter Bunny.
Posted by: Tamacracker Apr 8 2008, 03:53 PM
Obviously the Easter bunny isn't as important as a holy book. Easter bunny is just so that kids can get into the whole spirit of religion and celebration while enjoying it... If the Easter bunny never existed it would just be Easter on a more respectful level yet boring to children.
Posted by: NoSex Apr 8 2008, 03:55 PM
For someone who doesn't believe in either, they're both equally as unimportant. Although, I would say I find a "holy book" offensive and dangerous where I do not find the "Easter Bunny" as reflecting either of those things. So, I think it would be "important," to "disrespect" a holy book. Yeah.
Posted by: Tamacracker Apr 8 2008, 04:14 PM
It's only dangerous when people take things out of context especially by reading a tiny portion of a "section" (not even the chapter) and taking it the wrong way, granted that the Bible isn't exactly the best holy book out there (if that makes sense) but we just experienced an example as to how things can be taken out of context and considered dangerous with the other guy (Nathan? forgot his name) who was posting a small piece of a section claiming that was the actual quote entirely and that Islam is dangerous while disregarding the rest of the Chapter and all the sections within the chapter.
It's kinda foolish to purposely take things out of context, especially when it's soo simple to understand without parables, then misinform someone with that tiny piece of a section. And create this hatred/fear towards the religion.
Posted by: jmontoya21 Apr 8 2008, 09:53 PM
with all do respect to all here, I simply gave Jesus Christ a try and never looked back since,that simple,my honest and sincere opinion.
Satisfaction guarantied,what do you got to loose? Sins maybe? you can have those back if doesn't work for you.
Posted by: PrIncEoFSeXaPpeAL Apr 9 2008, 07:00 AM
Satisfaction guarantied,what do you got to loose? Sins maybe? you can have those back if doesn't work for you.
STFU stopp makin accccounntt..
Posted by: Spirited Away Apr 10 2008, 12:22 AM
How am I running away from obstacles when there's a crazy bastard with a shot gun to my head? He's now playin the game of God. He has my life in his hands, he chooses to kill me or not because he has the free will that God gave him.
I'd rather have him commit murder on me, ruining his soul while I get to die benevolently. I've beaten my struggles.. and I keep beatin them, the only struggle I have is a materialistic one, one of which we depend on in order to survive. Money. Other than money... I rarely have to struggle and that's because my faith is monstrous.
If I could, I would save up as much money as possible, go to a small island or a poor ass country, buy a piece of land away from humanity... and depend on planet earth to provide me with shelter, food, and entertainment. I've already dedicated 2 years of my life without materialism. No car, bike, tv, video games, board games, money, etc... and I accomplished it. So in the end of it all... I might be movin to Kauai and chill out in the jungles, eat my own fruits/vegetables, my own hunted meat, drink fresh water from the springs etc... :D
Anyways, I don't fear death. I love death and welcome it with open arms. I don't fear hell because I won't spend the rest of eternity in it. I've recognized all the wrong things I've done, I've changed them all... and never have I crossed those lines again.
I'm sorry I misunderstood. I thought you meant that you want to die and not within any circumstances. Not fearing death and wanting death is completely different, yet you seem to compliment both? If you love death, do you want to die?
Posted by: Tamacracker Apr 10 2008, 11:22 AM
I accept death with open arms... I respect and adore death just as much as life. Doesn't mean I want to embrace it and go kill myself. But if I was layin here dying... I wouldn't beg to live any further, I would have my last day's prayer, and lay to sleep in hopes to wake up in the spiritual form.
I believe that death is the ultimate freedom... not this so-called freedom that humans in superior ranks have given us, but spiritual freedom.
If you want a better understanding, read up on Egyptian/Tibetan Book of the Dead.
Posted by: Spirited Away Apr 11 2008, 09:59 AM
I believe that death is the ultimate freedom... not this so-called freedom that humans in superior ranks have given us, but spiritual freedom.
If you want a better understanding, read up on Egyptian/Tibetan Book of the Dead.
I still do not understand this reasoning. I see that you do not fear death, but loving it seems farfetched.
If I love and adore cake, I'll eat one. Why deny myself of an adoration that's within reach? Is it simply the case of "que sera sera" that you're alluding to?
Posted by: illmortal Apr 11 2008, 10:12 AM
If I love and adore cake, I'll eat one. Why deny myself of an adoration that's within reach? Is it simply the case of "que sera sera" that you're alluding to?
lol because death is inevitable.... death is gonna come when it decides to come. Suicide is in no way a form of divinity.
Posted by: Spirited Away Apr 11 2008, 11:26 AM
Anyway... so you love things that are inevitble or just death?
Posted by: illmortal Apr 11 2008, 11:47 AM
Anyway... so you love things that are inevitble or just death?
Eh, tell that to suicide bombers
Why are you associating "whatever happens, happens" or "whatever will be, will be" with what I'm sayin? Maybe you should try a different approach...
Suicide bombers are retarded brain washed thugs who think they're doin the work of God by being the aggressor and killin so called "evil people" it's quite ironic. In no way should they be associated to a religion just because they claim to be part of that religion.
And it's spelled inevitable.
Why should I kill myself to prove my love for death?...
No it's not... people till this day can't accept death as part of life. To love life you must love death equally. To love life and life only... is plain cowardice and faithlessness.
Posted by: illmortal Apr 11 2008, 12:11 PM
Delete this post =\.
Posted by: Spirited Away Apr 11 2008, 12:54 PM
Suicide bombers are retarded brain washed thugs who think they're doin the work of God by being the aggressor and killin so called "evil people" it's quite ironic. In no way should they be associated to a religion just because they claim to be part of that religion.
And it's spelled inevitable.
Why should I kill myself to prove my love for death?...
No it's not... people till this day can't accept death as part of life. To love life you must love death equally. To love life and life only... is plain cowardice and faithlessness.
Sorry for missing an "a"
. Don't have a cow, man. Do you want me to poke at your grammar and spelling? <edit> For example, it's spelled "killing" not "killin". =) </edit>
... You say you love it but you don't want to "be with it"? Then you don't really love it. I mean, have you ever been in love? LOL, or is something you think is unrequited?
Why a different approach? What you're saying is when it (death) happens, you'll welcome it, right? You'll not fight it or resist? The idea of "que sera sera" is whatever happens, take it like a man and enjoy it or just cruise through. Rather than suggesting I take about stab at it, you need to grasp the meaning of the quote.
Funny when you say "people can't accept death as a part of life". You have to walk a mile in another person's shoes to really understand, but you're saying you already do. It's funny because, there are those who are older and wiser (not to mention those with some kind of terminal illness) that still ponder death, yet here you are, merely 2x (assuming you are a healthy and robust) saying that you understand life and death.
Not to be skeptical of your self-proclaimed understanding of life and death, but this whole thing is cracking me up.
Posted by: ChaseTheDragon Apr 11 2008, 01:01 PM
Pagan?
I'm neo-pagan. Anybody going to fight and slay me?
Posted by: illmortal Apr 11 2008, 01:04 PM
I'm neo-pagan. Anybody going to fight and slay me?
At the end of it all.. yes. lol
Thanks... I'm glad you're happy :P
Just keep in mind that death is only a breath away.
Posted by: illmortal Apr 11 2008, 01:05 PM
Delete this post -.- again.
Posted by: Spirited Away Apr 11 2008, 01:05 PM
I'm neo-pagan. Anybody going to fight and slay me?
Don't worry. You + Me = Invinsible Army Against All Odds
'Nuff said XD
Posted by: illmortal Apr 11 2008, 01:08 PM
'Nuff said XD
Apparently Islam is takin over the Earth.. I gotta see this army of yours (jk) lol
Posted by: Spirited Away Apr 11 2008, 01:15 PM
Thanks... I'm glad you're happy :P
Just keep in mind that death is only a breath away.
Oh, I don't think about it at all =) I live the best I can and whatever comes next will be a surprise =D. I LOVE SURPRISES!
?
You saw it.
Posted by: illmortal Apr 11 2008, 01:20 PM
?
You saw it.
Nah I only saw usernames
Posted by: Spirited Away Apr 11 2008, 01:21 PM
Huh?
'Nuff said XD
^ Army.
Posted by: Tungster Apr 11 2008, 01:21 PM
Apparently just suck God's humongous dick, then you'll get to heaven. 
/stupidpost
Posted by: Spirited Away Apr 11 2008, 01:23 PM
Apparently just suck God's humongous dick, then you'll get to heaven.
/stupidpost
God, that sounds hard.
no puns intended... at all.
Posted by: illmortal Apr 11 2008, 01:31 PM
Apparently just suck God's humongous dick, then you'll get to heaven.
/stupidpost
Too bad God isn't a specific form, if that was the case, homosexual men would be all over heaven. Since that's not the case, they're gettin anally raped in hell by the demons
Posted by: illmortal Apr 11 2008, 03:55 PM
lol I've already experienced death, both spiritually and physically.
As for the approach... you're not askin the right questions. You're finding my belief of death as somethin comical, maybe you should take the time to embrace it to understand it. Maybe then, you'll have the right questions to ask me.
Posted by: brooklyneast05 Apr 11 2008, 04:02 PM
Posted by: Tungster Apr 11 2008, 04:05 PM
Didn't you heard JC, he's "illmortal".
Posted by: Spirited Away Apr 11 2008, 11:54 PM
I don't ask questions because I think they're the right ones to ask; I ask because I want to know. Why would I want to "embrace" your belief to understand it? It's like that one time when you claim to "understand" Buddhism and I proved that you didn't. Belief and understanding doesn't really compliment each other, but then again this is a woman talking... so what do I know of these things
LOL, Tama, you assume so much about other people and about life in general.
10 years, 20, 60 years from now; let's see how long you'll sing that tune. Same goes for me, but I'll leave it at that. The greatest victories are won with silence =)
Posted by: illmortal Apr 12 2008, 12:10 AM
LOL, Tama, you assume so much about other people and about life in general.
10 years, 20, 60 years from now; let's see how long you'll sing that tune. Same goes for me, but I'll leave it at that. The greatest victories are won with silence =)
Can you quote that you proved me wrong?... cuz that's quite funny actually. Also just to get things straightened out here, a belief system doesn't build the human... the human builds itself. Don't blame my actions and my choice of words for any belief system I embrace, that's just ridiculous.
And if belief and understanding doesn't really compliment each other, then why the hell does religion exist? Why do people choose to believe or not, why do they choose to believe in certain things and not in others? It's takes understanding in the first place, whether it's legitimate to their perception or not, that's when they choose to believe or not.
And assume? Bwahaha... majority rules in statistics, all it takes is analyzation of reality...
Maybe you should re-read the definition of belief and understanding, and possibly embrace as well, then have a clever thought.
Posted by: xfrodobagginsx May 4 2008, 11:19 PM
Science and the bible:
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml
Posted by: brooklyneast05 May 4 2008, 11:42 PM
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml
you're a f**king idiot, bitch
Posted by: xfrodobagginsx May 29 2008, 12:35 PM
First cause proves God's existence. Everything came from matter. Science says that the matter cannot be created from nothing and that it's eternal and cannot be destroyed, yet it's here. The fact that the matter is here contradicts all scientific laws. According to science, the matter which makes you up, cannot exist on it's own, therefore, there MUST be a God who has power over the laws of the universe and able to create the eternal matter from nothing and did so.
Posted by: brooklyneast05 May 29 2008, 12:49 PM
no. the laws of thermodynamics apply to the universe NOW that it's created, that doesn't mean that they applied to it's origin.
you've never posted one thing that made sense or was well researched. gtfo.
Posted by: Reidar Jun 2 2008, 05:07 AM
Are you able to tell me where God came from, then?
Posted by: PrIncEoFSeXaPpeAL Jul 26 2008, 10:29 PM
y da fuk u askk da kiid.. go askk demm sceeiincc naarrd..
Posted by: xfrodobagginsx Aug 18 2008, 11:40 AM
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Posted by: nikx618 Aug 18 2008, 01:06 PM
i think that anyone who lives a good life will go to Heaven. ragardless if you even believe in God.
Posted by: xfrodobagginsx Sep 25 2008, 10:27 AM
Please take the time to read this first post and pray that prayer to God at the bottom of it if you haven't yet.
Posted by: NoSex Sep 26 2008, 01:47 AM
oh my god, shut up
Posted by: Joannnnnne Sep 26 2008, 02:06 AM
No, because I do not believe in any heaven or hell. I believe when you die, you die. Your soul or spirit does not go anywhere. You just die.
But if there really is a heaven, and I have to follow rules and be bounded by restrictions to get there, I do not want to be any part of it.
Posted by: only-tuesdays Sep 26 2008, 12:52 PM
Mission work on the internet is a joke. Go out and do it in real life. Where you actually have to deal with people shooting your down to your face. That's what it's about. Not hiding behind your computer.
Posted by: ChesterRevolver Sep 26 2008, 01:16 PM
.. heaven nor hell aren't really .. religion is fake, get it through your head.
Posted by: ninjaBeenly Oct 7 2008, 07:44 PM
Wow, would I go to heaven if I watched 2 guys 1 horse,
and would I go to hell if I watched 2 girls 1 cup?
Posted by: Tomates Oct 7 2008, 09:12 PM
and would I go to hell if I watched 2 girls 1 cup?
2 guys 1 horse? oh no?
Posted by: dosomethin888 Oct 14 2008, 01:03 AM
Im positive Im goin to heaven...
Posted by: NoSex Oct 15 2008, 01:32 AM
i'm so glad you can be so positive about something no one in the entire world could ever possibly propose to know...