file sharing. Options

[gigiopolis]

if they don't play the music you want on the radio, request it.

Request it? Uh, no thanks. Like they'd ever get to me. I don't even listen to the radio anymore, all they play is absolute crap.

And if you never knew they existed before, how did you know what to type in the search to download the song?

Well, I never exactly typed in a random band name. There's something called online music reviews.

Good for you

Thank you, regardless if that was sarcastic or not.

But still, you shouldn't be stealing. If you wanted a $100,000 car, but you didn't have $100,000 , should you steal it?

I'm not stealing the whole thing...it's like...stealing the engine of the car, testing it out, and then buying the car. I'm not stealing the whole car and driving away with it. Nonetheless, I am still stealing, but in the end record companies DO get their profits.

[nas]

SOUL SEEK

^^^

Soul Seek is the best program for file sharing download it.

hoo ha! Good boy~

Wait kryo.. aren't all the roms or whatever you d/l illegal too? Or whatever you call those things that plays the GBA games on the comp and whatnot.

[queen]

It's like an answering machine, you screen the music before you buy it. People take to something they like on their own rather than trusting the manager of CD sales.

would you buy a car from a man with a crooked smile from a company you have never heard of without a test drive?

some people don't download before buying; they don't buy the cd at all.

If you wanted a $100,000 car, but you didn't have $100,000 , should you steal it?

valid point

[gerundio]

valid point

What??!?!

There's a huge difference between stealing a car of any price and downloading music from the internet.

[queen]

What??!?!

There's a huge difference between stealing a car of any price and downloading music from the internet.

erm, they're both illegal. did you pay for the music? no. does the artist want you to pay for the music? yes. what's the difference?

[gerundio]

erm, they're both illegal. did you pay for the music? no. does the artist want you to pay for the music? yes. what's the difference?

LOL. Well first of all, a car is usually much more expensive than several hundred songs.

Secondly, music on the internet is digital information, and not much more than that. Thus, what you download are just copies that required little more than a copy to make. You can't "copy" "burn" or "download" cars. Cars need to be manufactured by hand or by machine in order to exist. There's a big difference.

And not all artists are against file sharing.

[queen]

LOL. Well first of all, a car is usually much more expensive than several hundred songs.

so you're saying just because a car costs more, it should be illegal to steal, yet since a cd is merely $20, it's all right to download the songs from the internet? you're saying it's all right to download games & software for free instead of paying for them at the store?

Secondly, music on the internet is digital information, and not much more than that. Thus, what you download are just copies that required little more than a copy to make. You can't "copy" "burn" or "download" cars. Cars need to be manufactured by hand or by machine in order to exist. There's a big difference.

erm, go check out this thread, and just to add to that: downloading music/software/games is equivalent to just stealing them off the rack.

And not all artists are against file sharing.

yes, i know. some even encourage file sharing to make their music known, but what about those that are against file sharing? are we just supposed to ignore them? the government apparently doesn't think so ;o

if i were to make a living creating softwares/games, i would want people to pay for my shít.

[gerundio]

so you're saying just because a car costs more, it should be illegal to steal, yet since a cd is merely $20, it's all right to download the songs from the internet? you're saying it's all right to download games & software for free instead of paying for them at the store?

Ahh... what CD's are you buying? $20? LOL. If I buy a CD it's usually less than $15.

Again, I just said that there is a huge difference between stealing a car and stealing music. Can you read?

erm, go check out this thread, and just to add to that: downloading music/software/games is equivalent to just stealing them off the rack.

Um ok. And your point is? Hint: (READING COMPREHENSION).

[queen]

Ahh... what CD's are you buying? $20? LOL. If I buy a CD it's usually less than $15.

Again, I just said that there is a huge difference between stealing a car and stealing music. Can you read?

i rounded it off to $20 because cds range in price between $9-19. why did you make a point of saying there's a huge difference between stealing a car and stealing music if you know both are illegal? (which, by the way, was kryogenix's point). you don't really make much sense there.

Um ok. And your point is? Hint: (READING COMPREHENSION).

what exactly is YOUR point? i posted the thread there because you were blabbing on about how cars can't be "copied" and "burned" when it's still the same concept: stealing.

reading comprehension? lol, you can't even seem to understand any of my points and the arguments of those above me.

[gerundio]

what exactly is YOUR point? i posted the thread there because you were blabbing on about how cars can't be "copied" and "burned" when it's still the same concept: stealing.

If you knew how to read, you would have obviously picked up that I think that there are different degrees of stealing. Now that I established that for you...

There is a huge difference between stealing a car and stealing a CD just because of the nature of both things. How can you not see this?

[queen]

If you knew how to read, you would have obviously picked up that I think that there are different degrees of stealing. Now that I established that for you...

if YOU knew how to read, then you would have picked up that I KNEW THAT, and TO ME it doesn't matter because STEALING IS STEALING IS STEALING IS STEALING. so what if there's "different degrees" of stealing? what's your point? it's still stealing. i commented on kryogenix's comment to barelyy_coherent's post. the "difference in degree" of stealing is irrelevent. i don't know how YOU jumped in on the topic discussing something when we were just trying to state the obvious: downloading/filesharing = stealing.

based on your other posts such as "i hope you starve" to kryogenix and your post on soul seek, i assume you support filesharing, hence the rest of my questions: "so you're saying just because a car costs more, it should be illegal to steal, yet since a cd is merely $20, it's all right to download the songs from the internet? you're saying it's all right to download games & software for free instead of paying for them at the store?" ---questions that you didn't answer, btw.

[sikdragon]

it isnt illegal to download music, it is illegal to share it.

Everything is legal until you are caught. Morality is completely seperate from lawful. If you were under the impression they were the same you are sadly mistaken.

[gerundio]

based on your other posts such as "i hope you starve" to kryogenix and your post on soul seek, i assume you support filesharing, hence the rest of my questions: "so you're saying just because a car costs more, it should be illegal to steal, yet since a cd is merely $20, it's all right to download the songs from the internet? you're saying it's all right to download games & software for free instead of paying for them at the store?"  ---questions that you didn't answer, btw.

When are you going to understand that because of the nature of music and the nature of cars it's different. I stopped talking about the initial cost a long ass time ago. Music is music. It's information. You can copy and recopy it a million times and it doesn't cost you anything to do so. Cars are actual concrete things and once you steal one, the company or the dealer has not only lost money on a potential sale, but more importantly will also lose money replacing the stolen car. So downloading music is definitely not the same as stealing a CD from a store. The same thing as the car is involved. OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE THE ONE WHO HAS NO IDEA HOW TO READ.

[karrar]

why pay 20 bucks for a cd that cost the company 17 cents to make

[queen]

When are you going to understand that because of the nature of music and the nature of cars it's different. I stopped talking about the initial cost a long ass time ago. Music is music. It's information. You can copy and recopy it a million times and it doesn't cost you anything to do so. Cars are actual concrete things and once you steal one, the company or the dealer has not only lost money on a potential sale, but more importantly will also lose money replacing the stolen car. So downloading music is definitely not the same as stealing a CD from a store. The same thing as the car is involved. OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE THE ONE WHO HAS NO IDEA HOW TO READ.

you've never been to conciertos? orchestras? concerts? people pay to hear the music. which is why artists sell records, cassettes, dvds, cds, ETC ETC ETC. SO THEY CAN MAKE MONEY OFF YOU BUYING WHAT THEY PROVIDE. so basically what you're saying is cars are concrete, and music isn't, so we shouldn't pay for it? wtf? some people get paid for their VOICES. that's not concrete, so they shouldn't get paid?

Music is music. It's information. You can copy and recopy it a million times and it doesn't cost you anything to do so.

why should music be any different from anything else people download? or are you saying it's all right to download softwares as well? it cost people money to make music, whether it's the price of the instrument, studio time, labor - it costs money to create it. just because it's free to COPY doesn't mean it's legal.

it isnt illegal to download music, it is illegal to share it.

Everything is legal until you are caught. Morality is completely seperate from lawful. If you were under the impression they were the same you are sadly mistaken.

did you just ignore every post concerning the digital millenium copyright act? and when did i include any of my morals in this? what i stated was a fact: it's illegal to download music.

everything is legal until you get caught? what are you gonna say when you get caught? "i didn't share .mp3s therefore you can't charge me"? it's written down on the digital millenium act that downloading is illegal.

it's the same as drinking under the age of 21; you could go ahead and drink all you want, but it's still illegal.

i don't really give a sh*t about this whole file sharing business. everyone can download whatever crap they want for all i care, but at least i don't go around claiming something isn't illegal when there's already been an act passed against it ;o

[patrick004]

I usually download music or an artist's CD before I buy it. I'm not going to buy a CD without knowing how much I'd like it.

I mostly support local or underground artists because I feel that that's where the pure music is. Artists on major record labels make their millions by touring, not by selling records.

Also, stealing a car IS different from stealing music and stealing a pencil and stealing a Picasso painting. Who pays more than 15 dollars for a CD? ...Unless it's a rare or old CD.

[*kryogenix*]

Request it? Uh, no thanks. Like they'd ever get to me. I don't even listen to the radio anymore, all they play is absolute crap.

They play absolute crap because no one is requesting the good stuff.

Well, I never exactly typed in a random band name. There's something called online music reviews.

So you do know they exist before you download their music.

Thank you, regardless if that was sarcastic or not.

you're welcome.

I'm not stealing the whole thing...it's like...stealing the engine of the car, testing it out, and then buying the car. I'm not stealing the whole car and driving away with it. Nonetheless, I am still stealing, but in the end record companies DO get their profits.

It's great that you buy it anyway, but how is it going to be enforced?

Ahh... what CD's are you buying? $20? LOL. If I buy a CD it's usually less than $15.

Again, I just said that there is a huge difference between stealing a car and stealing music. Can you read?

stealing is still stealing, no matter what. just because it costs less doesn't mean it's not a crime.

When are you going to understand that because of the nature of music and the nature of cars it's different. I stopped talking about the initial cost a long ass time ago. Music is music. It's information. You can copy and recopy it a million times and it doesn't cost you anything to do so. Cars are actual concrete things and once you steal one, the company or the dealer has not only lost money on a potential sale, but more importantly will also lose money replacing the stolen car. So downloading music is definitely not the same as stealing a CD from a store. The same thing as the car is involved. OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE THE ONE WHO HAS NO IDEA HOW TO READ.

OK, i'll make an easier comparison for you to understand. Say you buy a book(like a comic book, about 20 pages, 3-10 dollars). Your friend wants to have a copy of it, but since he's a freeloader, he asks to just scan the pages. You do so and give him the copy in a zipped file. It cost you nothing to copy it. But is it wrong? Yes. Copyright laws pertain to intellectual material too. Copying intellectual material is stealing.

[gigiopolis]

So you do know they exist before you download their music.

Of course. Here's the long process:

I read some random review, and if it sounds interesting, then I'll dl a song. I have learned of their existence. If I like it, I'll buy the CD.

Now here's the long process of radio:

I hear the same damn songs over and over again. I turn the radio off. I learn of no existence. I have no desire to buy a CD.

What I don't understand is...how does knowing the band exists before I dl their music contradict with my point?

[*kryogenix*]

Of course. Here's the long process:

I read some random review, and if it sounds interesting, then I'll dl a song. I have learned of their existence. If I like it, I'll buy the CD.

Now here's the long process of radio:

I hear the same damn songs over and over again. I turn the radio off. I learn of no existence. I have no desire to buy a CD.

What I don't understand is...how does knowing the band exists before I dl their music contradict with my point?

because:

If I didnt' download it, I wouldn't even have known about their existence!

you just contradicted yourself.