science vs religon, which one is important and needed ? Rating Options

[datass]

if religion was that important, then how are atheists just fine without it? we still have morals and values and ethics.

[saintsaens]

if religion was that important, then how are atheists just fine without it? we still have morals and values and ethics.

[illriginal]

if religion was that important, then how are atheists just fine without it? we still have morals and values and ethics.

Not according to the laws of God. But I bet those laws are just silly and oppressive to mankind, ya?

[datass]

i'm sorry, but do you imply that atheists don't have morals and values?

[illriginal]

i'm sorry, but do you imply that atheists don't have morals and values?

Not necessarily.

[karmakiller]

^ What you implying then?

[illriginal]

Atheists and Religious people have two different standards of "moral behavior".

[Tung]

I'm atheist and I value dick.

[karmakiller]

Atheists and Religious people have two different standards of "moral behavior".

I think that is determined on an individual basis, not a religious basis. If it's determined by religion then it would be fair to say that only people of religion X are murderers... but we all know that isn't true. Atheists and Christians can have the same moral behavior.

[illriginal]

I think that is determined on an individual basis, not a religious basis. If it's determined by religion then it would be fair to say that only people of religion X are murderers... but we all know that isn't true. Atheists and Christians can have the same moral behavior.

I agree. That there's individual basis but also there's religious basis based on the laws of God.

But let me give you an example and by no means do I claim that atheists/non-religious people are all the same.

1. Religious people (God fearing people) believe that pre-marital sex is wrong. Because there's the possibility of getting pregnant, also diseases, and could harm one emotionally/psychologically.

Non-religious people (believe that God could exist, but does not belong to any group who teaches about God or they simply do not believe in a God) would say that it's perfectly fine and even healthy to have sex even pre-maritally. And would even use examples to back their claim.

2. Religious people believe that taking drugs is immoral because of the case of addiction and clouding the mind/judgment.

Non-religious people believe that it's fine to do drugs as long as they're responsible. And in fact a lot of cases use marijuana as in example.

3. Religious people say that a woman should be fully clothed so that men do not get sexual temptations when they interact or simply by gazing at the woman.

Non-religious people believe that women have the right to dress how ever they feel, because they have the freedom and the rights to do so, plus it's the best way to attract men.

[*BOSS*]

I agree. That there's individual basis but also there's religious basis based on the laws of God.

But let me give you an example and by no means do I claim that atheists/non-religious people are all the same.

1. Religious people (God fearing people) believe that pre-marital sex is wrong. Because there's the possibility of getting pregnant, also diseases, and could harm one emotionally/psychologically.

Non-religious people (believe that God could exist, but does not belong to any group who teaches about God or they simply do not believe in a God) would say that it's perfectly fine and even healthy to have sex even pre-maritally. And would even use examples to back their claim.

2. Religious people believe that taking drugs is immoral because of the case of addiction and clouding the mind/judgment.

Non-religious people believe that it's fine to do drugs as long as they're responsible. And in fact a lot of cases use marijuana as in example.

3. Religious people say that a woman should be fully clothed so that men do not get sexual temptations when they interact or simply by gazing at the woman.

Non-religious people believe that women have the right to dress how ever they feel, because they have the freedom and the rights to do so, plus it's the best way to attract men.

blah blah, all this crap just means, "IM GENERALIZING." Religious people have a certain belief system and non-religious people believe another certain set of rules. Its as simple as that. You seem to imply atheists and religious people are opposites, they aren't, they are simply different.

[illriginal]

blah blah, all this crap just means, "IM GENERALIZING." Religious people have a certain belief system and non-religious people believe another certain set of rules. Its as simple as that. You seem to imply atheists and religious people are opposites, they aren't, they are simply different.

Uh... thanks for summarizing what I was implying.

And no where did I generalize... especially when I made it clear that not all Atheist/Non-religious people are the same.

Comprehension skills, do you need it?



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[karmakiller]

2. Religious people believe that taking drugs is immoral because of the case of addiction and clouding the mind/judgment.

Non-religious people believe that it's fine to do drugs as long as they're responsible. And in fact a lot of cases use marijuana as in example.

So if I told you that I do not believe in religion and I condemn recreational drug use, that would be a fallacy? Because for me to say I condemn recreational drug use there would have to be some religion in my life. Sorry, but that doesn't make any sense to me.

[Gigi]

He did say that not all atheists/non-religious people are alike.

That said, I agree with Kevin. What's the point of even making the argument if everyone is different? It's not adding to the discussion whatsoever. You ARE generalizing, and while sometimes that is helpful, it totally works against you in this case.

[*BOSS*]

Uh... thanks for summarizing what I was implying.

And no where did I generalize... especially when I made it clear that not all Atheist/Non-religious people are the same.

Comprehension skills, do you need it?



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2. Religious people believe that taking drugs is immoral because of the case of addiction and clouding the mind/judgment.

Non-religious people believe that it's fine to do drugs as long as they're responsible. And in fact a lot of cases use marijuana as in example.

yeah you made it clear that non atheist's beliefs are different from atheists, but you forgot a big thing you f*ck-tart. Atheists can live their way life exactly like a christian except without the belief in God.

was that easy enough to understand?


too hard to understand?

[illriginal]

So if I told you that I do not believe in religion and I condemn recreational drug use, that would be a fallacy? Because for me to say I condemn recreational drug use there would have to be some religion in my life. Sorry, but that doesn't make any sense to me.

No. Because there's also non-believers who say that drugs are in fact bad while other non-believers say it's fine. But religious people (who are truly religious not just labeled some religion because of their family) will always condemn or frown upon drug use.

yeah you made it clear that non atheist's beliefs are different from atheists, but you forgot a big thing you f*ck-tart. Atheists can live their way life exactly like a christian except without the belief in God.

was that easy enough to understand?
too hard to understand?

But let me give you an example and by no means do I claim that atheists/non-religious people are all the same.


1. Take hand

2. Face the palm of hand towards face

3. Shove palm of hand hard into your face

4. Profit:

He did say that not all atheists/non-religious people are alike.

That said, I agree with Kevin. What's the point of even making the argument if everyone is different? It's not adding to the discussion whatsoever. You ARE generalizing, and while sometimes that is helpful, it totally works against you in this case.

This is amazing.

[karmakiller]

Kevin understands what you're saying, without you being clear in what you're saying. You shouldn't be patronizing him for that, you should be thanking him.

The reason I asked you that is because you said:

2. Religious people believe that taking drugs is immoral because of the case of addiction and clouding the mind/judgment.

Non-religious people believe that it's fine to do drugs as long as they're responsible. And in fact a lot of cases use marijuana as in example.

When what you meant was: Some non-religious people believe that it's fine to do drugs, while others do not.

[illriginal]

Kevin understands what you're saying, without you being clear in what you're saying. You shouldn't be patronizing him for that, you should be thanking him.

The reason I asked you that is because you said:
When what you meant was: Some non-religious people believe that it's fine to do drugs, while others do not.

Right, that's why I clarified that "not all non-religious people are the same". Eh... I have a headache from this. But hopefully now you understand.

[writetheeulogy]

I'd choose religion over science any day. Science nowadays is just plain out frightening, what with all the "the world is ending in 2012" talk. But science and religion has clashed numerous times and peeled apart dripping with mediocrity. I mean, isn't religion based upon science? And vice versa?

I myself am a Buddhist (forgive me for saying this, but I used to be Catholic and I couldn't stand it) so I don't worry about the whole "God is going to destroy the world" bit. I mean, that's based on the Catholic religion. It's like, for each religion, there's a different world. Who says Catholocism is the main and almighty religion that everyone must follow? Yes, there's an entity up there, but it doesn't mean it's Jesus Christ. It could be anything - it's all about what you believe in. It could be a slice of Swiss cheese for some people and a red apple for others.

But what I don't like is that people act like Catholocism and Christianity are the only "real" religions, and the others out there are just made up nonsense. All these science "theories" are based on the latter religions, are they not?

Like I said before, it's like there's a different world for each religion. People are saying God is going to destroy the world - okay, so Catholics and Christians and whatnot are going to have their world destroyed. So we Buddhists, Muslims, Atheists, and etc. are going to remain alive?

I'm still frightened that the entity up there might be the God we all know from Christianity and if the world will be destroyed or not, but in all honesty, despite my fear, I can't say I believe any of it.

[brooklyneast05]

science doesn't claim the world is going to end in 2012. science is not based upon religion because one requires evidence and the other doesn't. from your first few sentences alone it's completely clear you have no idea at all what you're talking about. at least no clue what science is.



oh yeah, and i don't believe anyone would actually choose religion over science. they obviously are forgetting how f*cking easy their life is now thanks to science. wish we could stick some people back in time before a lot of science, like medicine for example, and see how many people value religion over science then.

[writetheeulogy]

science doesn't claim the world is going to end in 2012. science is not based upon religion because one requires evidence and the other doesn't. from your first few sentences alone it's completely clear you have no idea at all what you're talking about. at least no clue what science is.
oh yeah, and i don't believe anyone would actually choose religion over science. they obviously are forgetting how f*cking easy their life is now thanks to science.

I don't know what you've been sleeping under for the past month, but scientists have scratched together a theory that the world was going to end in 2012. Google it. Don't belittle me or try to catch me in ignorance; I know damn well what I'm talking about.

Not to mention that I wasn't referring to technological science. If that wasn't clear to you, then you must be blind. Forgive me for being so bland.

[smash]

calm down young one.

[brooklyneast05]

I don't know what you've been sleeping under for the past month, but scientists have scratched together a theory that the world was going to end in 2012. Google it. Don't belittle me or try to catch me in ignorance; I know damn well what I'm talking about.

Not to mention that I wasn't referring to technological science. If that wasn't clear to you, then you must be blind. Forgive me for being so bland.

source it then, real credible scientists.


i'm blind because i didn't know that you were excluding technology from science? what are you talking about? do you think that i should be able to read your mind? what kind of science are you talking about? you said that you would choose religion over science. you didn't say " i would choose religion over *insert specific science here*. that's your fault that you weren't specific whatsoever.

[writetheeulogy]

Forgive me for not being crystal clear. I mean science as of the religious state, involving entities and Gods and all that.

[brooklyneast05]

i disagreed with you, that happens in debate, toughen up.