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post Jun 9 2004, 03:12 PM
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QUOTE(Yemmerz @ Jun 9 2004, 2:47 PM)
1) If you break the 10 Commandments too many times.

2) i dont know what you mean...[im kinda out of it today]

3) yes and if you get saved [which is the christian repent sort of..] then you are forgived for your sins.

1.) what? noooo......what donomination r u? breaking the 10 Commandments r sins...which we r forgiven for...77times 7 plus more


its not playing favorites....what ur saying it....u dunt wanna believe and let God control ur life but then u want Him to give u the gift of everlasting life...o and that gift it to live with Him forever....perhaps this means He favors u...i mean after all u wuldnt wanna have to spend forever with God, the God u claim to hate or not love or not know exist, therefor not loving. u'd rather live with the devil rite? i mean uve liked having the devil control ur earthly life y not ur after life?
 
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QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jun 9 2004, 3:09 PM)
Nothing can take you salvation away. Once you(not just believe there is a God) become saved(saved is accpeting Christ into your life and realizing he died on the cross for our sins so that we may be forgiven) NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING can take your salvation away

So it would have to cost me my free will to be saved. Heh, well there's a deal I would have to turn down. Sorry.
 
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post Jun 9 2004, 03:15 PM
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I would rather do what is truely right than what is right in my eyes
 
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post Jun 9 2004, 03:19 PM
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I don't see it being 'out of luck', I just see it as having 'free will'. Isn't that what God intended? For his creation to have 'free will'?

Out of luck being -- you're going to hell.
God did give us free will. However, that is not why he made us.

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What crime would be labeled as evil enough to go to Hell?

None. God will forgive you. You should be serious about the matter, but he is forgiving.

He loves everyone. Meaning, he doesn't favor people.

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So it would have to cost me my free will to be saved.

Cost? blink.gif
Just a bit confused. ermm.gif
 
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post Jun 9 2004, 03:24 PM
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QUOTE(easilyxamusedx @ Jun 9 2004, 3:19 PM)
Out of luck being -- you're going to hell.
God did give us free will. However, that is not why he made us.


None. God will forgive you. You should be serious about the matter, but he is forgiving.

He loves everyone. Meaning, he doesn't favor people.


Cost? blink.gif
Just a bit confused. ermm.gif

Why did He made us?

God will only forgive me if I believe in Him, so there is a condition to being forgiven. And if He loves everyone, then no one would go to Hell.

I meant that it would cost me my free will to go to Heaven, because I would have to trade in what I believe in to believe in God. Opportunity cost, that sort of thing.


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I would rather do what is truely right than what is right in my eyes 


Me, too. But how do you know what's right? What's right to Christians could be wrong to people of other religion. There isn't just 'one right'.
 
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post Jun 9 2004, 03:30 PM
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With God there is only one right. Christianity is different from anyother religion in the fact of we don't lose. I have strong faith, but if i were to look at it out of my eyes and in someone else's who believes different. In their words to get to heaven you must do good works, with Christianity you must accept God into your life. Say Christianity is wrong we would still go to heaven because we lived a good life. And Christianity is right, we trusted in God, so we win either way
 
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post Jun 9 2004, 03:31 PM
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princess...whats up with the 77 plus 7 more...i never heard about that. blink.gif
 
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post Jun 9 2004, 03:40 PM
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QUOTE(Yemmerz @ Jun 9 2004, 3:31 PM)
princess...whats up with the 77 plus 7 more...i never heard about that.  blink.gif

i'll try to find the verse...my point was it doesnt matter how many times u sin, ur still forgiven....its abt u shuld forgive 77x7times plus even more



to fae....He created us b/c He was lonely
 
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post Jun 9 2004, 03:44 PM
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QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jun 9 2004, 3:30 PM)
With God there is only one right. Christianity is different from anyother religion in the fact of we don't lose.

That's a pretty offending statement if I held a strong belief in my religion, but since I don't, have a religion I'm just going to speak out for the other people. Christianity isn't so different from Islam or Judaism and even Buddhism in the sense of strong faith.


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In their words to get to heaven you must do good works, with Christianity you must accept God into your life. Say Christianity is wrong we would still go to heaven because we lived a good life. And Christianity is right, we trusted in God, so we win either way.


It's no problem trusting God if you already didn't have anything to believe in. I grew up with a household of Catholics, Buddhists, and a religion that mixes together major religions (sounds weird, but I'm telling you that it exists). Not only that, I'm exposed to too many of 'other' people's faith, and nothing was my own thought anymore; I had no free will.

Until 3 years ago, I found that I don't have to agree to anything if I don't believe it. And that's the essence of free will, believe it or not.

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Princess, if He created us because He was lonely, wasn't that a selfish decision to create us? No, believe me when I say I'm not trying to offend Him, but if He created us to make Himself happy, then that was a pretty selfish reason.
 
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post Jun 9 2004, 03:55 PM
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i'll try to find the verse...my point was it doesnt matter how many times u sin, ur still forgiven....its abt u shuld forgive 77x7times plus even more


We sang a song about that in a play once.

"how many times should i forgive, 70x7, 7...anyways

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Christianity isn't so different from Islam or Judaism and even Buddhism in the sense of strong faith.


Christianity is VERY different infact. The Christian God is different form Allah, and the systems are different.
 
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post Jun 9 2004, 03:59 PM
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QUOTE(xquizit @ May 12 2004, 11:17 AM)
Religion is about having faith, regardless of whether or not there is proof.

That really does sum it all up. Religion is about having faith and trust in what you are taught.
As for God, come on people, if evolution is true, then there still had to be someone or something that created those microbes we all came from. Something had to create the planets (and if someone is going to throw the "Big Bang" out at me, then I'll still say that there was someone that had to create all those stars and gases and what not), and someone had to create all the gases that "brought the microbes to life". So regardless of what you believe in or not believe in, there is a higher being that looks over everything and everyone.
 
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post Jun 9 2004, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jun 9 2004, 3:55 PM)
Christianity is VERY different infact. The Christian God is different form Allah, and the systems are different.

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You must've noticed that I said "Isn't so different, in sense of strong faith".

Trust me when I say that I'm quite aware of the differences between the Christians' God, the Muslims' Allah, and the Jews' Yahweh, even though "a rose by any different names, is still a rose".
 
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post Jun 9 2004, 04:02 PM
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its differant...most of those ppl dunno abt their religion either...ive been to religious celebrations n asked ppl n they all say idunno or have differant answers......

its not selfish...? He's God...He created u....i think its kinda loving
 
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post Jun 9 2004, 04:03 PM
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oh sorry i didn't notice you said in sense of strong faith
 
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post Jun 9 2004, 04:11 PM
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 9 2004, 2:58 PM)
Christians and non-Christians break the 10 commandments everyday. Christians and non-Christians repent too, but only Christians are forgiven because they believe in God. It doesn't matter if non-Christians repent because they'll go to Hell anyway for not believing (according to the other Christians debatin on here).

Oh, I meant, what kind of crime is bad enough to be sent to Hell?

So you can only be saved if you convert and believe in God? I thought He gave us free will to believe Him? It shouldn't be so carelessly given if He meant to punish those who chose to take free will seriously.

let me explain what I believe

you know the story of the prodigal son?
when the son came back the father was waiting for him
well, it doesn't matter if you stumble on the way as long as you're heading back

non-Christians aren't forgiven or i should say cannot be forgiven even if they repent because the sin is still there
it has not been paid for
it has not been compensated

if you decide right now that you will never sin again
and you succeed, the sins you did before are still there

all sins are the same
even if you only said one little lie in your whole life, and did no other sins
you still cannot go to heaven because
God cannot tolerate even a hint of sin

therefore someone needs to pay the price of sinning for us
that's where Jesus comes in...
 
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post Jun 9 2004, 04:16 PM
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QUOTE(wantingtobehis @ Jun 9 2004, 4:02 PM)
its differant...most of those ppl dunno abt their religion either...ive been to religious celebrations n asked ppl n they all say idunno or have differant answers......

its not selfish...? He's God...He created u....i think its kinda loving

*sigh*

What did I say about contradictions? Stop confusing me, here, I'm trying to understand your religion, and it's complicated enough without having to go back and forth on these different answers.

There are untrue Christians so it's only fair to have people who are untrue to their religions as well! You're saying that every Christian is a true Christian? Some other Christian just told me that not every Christian is a true Christian, and now you're saying something to contradict that.

If you ask me about my past religions, I will tell you the exact answer that those people have given you only because I wasn't comfortable in believing what those religions taught.

Others Christians have said that they don't have all the answers, so why do you go around asking other religions if they have all the answers when you don't either?

One of you said that He created us because He was lonely. In a romantic sense, it is love. However, to create a being with the purpose to relieve Him of his loneliness/even boredom is selfish, and I have said that this kind of selfish isn't bad, but it still is selfish.
 
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QUOTE(v@por @ Jun 9 2004, 4:11 PM)
you know the story of the prodigal son?
when the son came back the father was waiting for him
well, it doesn't matter if you stumble on the way as long as you're heading back

non-Christians aren't forgiven or i should say cannot be forgiven even if they repent because the sin is still there
it has not been paid for
it has not been compensated

if you decide right now that you will never sin again
and you succeed, the sins you did before are still there

all sins are the same
even if you only said one little lie in your whole life, and did no other sins
you still cannot go to heaven because
God cannot tolerate even a hint of sin

therefore someone needs to pay the price of sinning for us
that's where Jesus comes in...

That is true that sins are still there even after you decided to stop, but haven't you heard of letting go of the past? I don't believe that your sins can be erased, but I do believe that you can make up for your sins by doing good. When you hang on the past, you can't go forward. You ARE paying for your OWN SINS when you repent.
 
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One of you said that He created us because He was lonely.


Who said that? _unsure.gif
He created us so we can rule over the animals and the earth.
 
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post Jun 9 2004, 04:22 PM
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LOL sry for confusing....we have differant interpertations thou.....lol there r no "untrue Christians" b/c that means they arent Christian...u either are, or u arent....c in their religion they dunt have like set doctrins(sp??) so they just believe what their parents say....we have set things to believe, but freedom to interpurt differantly...they have wayyy differant things...for ex...in Hinduism some say there is one God in man forms...some say there are many gods...this changes if it is monotheistic or polytheistic, which is normally one of the MOST important subjects of a religion.
 
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QUOTE(krnxswat @ Jun 9 2004, 4:22 PM)
Who said that? _unsure.gif
He created us so we can rule over the animals and the earth.

i did...yeah He created that for us 2 but i think around beg. of Genisis it says God was lonely...i'll try to look
 
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QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jun 9 2004, 5:22 PM)
LOL sry for confusing....we have differant interpertations thou.....lol there r no "untrue Christians" b/c that means they arent Christian.

AKA "Fake Christian." I can assure you not all the Christians out there pray everyday and read his words, and etc.

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i did...yeah He created that for us 2 but i think around beg. of Genisis it says God was lonely...i'll try to look

Please.
 
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post Jun 9 2004, 04:27 PM
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just b/c u dunt pray or read the Bible doesnt make u a fake Christian...its abt what u believe that makes u Christian and if u follow Jesus (Christian=follower of Christ) it doesnt have to do with how many Chapters of the Bible u read
 
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QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jun 9 2004, 5:27 PM)
just b/c u dunt pray or read the Bible doesnt make u a fake Christian...its abt what u believe that makes u Christian and if u follow Jesus (Christian=follower of Christ) it doesnt have to do with how many Chapters of the Bible u read

Yes it does. Apparently I'm guessing you don't do these kind of stuff. If you truly believed in Him, and followed Jesus, you would pray and read and meditate on the Bible everyday, therefore getting to know Him better and closer.
 
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post Jun 9 2004, 04:34 PM
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QUOTE(krnxswat @ Jun 9 2004, 4:29 PM)
Yes it does. Apparently I'm guessing you don't do these kind of stuff. If you truly believed in Him, and followed Jesus, you would pray and read and meditate on the Bible everyday, therefore getting to know Him better and closer.

u need to watch out b/c ur being kinda rude...im in prayer more often then im not...esp in the summer...i pray for 1 hr b4 i start my day....and then usually quite a bit during the day....i read the Bible usually everyday...so yes apparently i do this stuff...but i know ppl who dunt and they have a really strong faith
 
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QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jun 9 2004, 5:34 PM)
u need to watch out b/c ur being kinda rude...im in prayer more often then im not...esp in the summer...i pray for 1 hr b4 i start my day....and then usually quite a bit during the day....i read the Bible usually everyday...so yes apparently i do this stuff...but i know ppl who dunt and they have a really strong faith

he needs to watch it eh? you need to watch who you're talkin to like that.
 

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