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Posted by: drinksmokefuck Aug 27 2009, 05:35 PM

for a bunch of mac users on this site, was quite surprised to find out there wasn't a topic on this already, anyways, its coming out tomorrow, only $30, new 64-bit, new quicktime, new finder, stacker, etc etc

so who else is getting it

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Aug 27 2009, 05:45 PM

i was reading about it today. i haven't even updated to leopard, so i doubt i'll get it. also i read that it won't work on anything older than 2006. i got mine in 2006, but either way that kinda sucks for people before then to know they will never be able to have any more updates _unsure.gif

Posted by: -Jon- Aug 27 2009, 06:10 PM

sorry, but imma be lazy and say: "whats the difference in the current OS that was released before 'SL'? like, the features and everything.."

wait no, forget it...i'll look it up on APPLE and do a comparison.
but you can tell me happy.gif

Posted by: drinksmokefuck Aug 27 2009, 07:32 PM

QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Aug 28 2009, 06:45 AM) *
i was reading about it today. i haven't even updated to leopard, so i doubt i'll get it. also i read that it won't work on anything older than 2006. i got mine in 2006, but either way that kinda sucks for people before then to know they will never be able to have any more updates _unsure.gif

well, they don't say it, but many sources have confirmed there should be a direct upgrade from tiger to snow leopard which is what im doing
QUOTE(-Jon- @ Aug 28 2009, 07:10 AM) *
sorry, but imma be lazy and say: "whats the difference in the current OS that was released before 'SL'? like, the features and everything.."

wait no, forget it...i'll look it up on APPLE and do a comparison.
but you can tell me happy.gif

its mostly performance, but here are a few reviews ive found

http://gizmodo.com/5346418/snow-leopard-review-lightened-and-enlightened
http://www.suntimes.com/technology/ihnatko/1737229,ihnatko-apple-snow-leopard-review-082609.article
http://www.macworld.com/article/142423/2009/08/snow_leopard_review.html?lsrc=top_1

Posted by: Tomates Aug 27 2009, 07:35 PM

apparently the Snow Leopard doesn't support Adobe CS3. A friend was telling me so.

Posted by: -Jon- Aug 27 2009, 08:48 PM

QUOTE(drinksmokef*ck @ Aug 27 2009, 05:32 PM) *
well, they don't say it, but many sources have confirmed there should be a direct upgrade from tiger to snow leopard which is what im doing

its mostly performance, but here are a few reviews ive found

http://gizmodo.com/5346418/snow-leopard-review-lightened-and-enlightened
http://www.suntimes.com/technology/ihnatko/1737229,ihnatko-apple-snow-leopard-review-082609.article
http://www.macworld.com/article/142423/2009/08/snow_leopard_review.html?lsrc=top_1

AH sweet! happy.gif
but i dont have a mac.. sad.gif
oh well.. time to get Windows 7 then.. _smile.gif

Posted by: Buttsex Aug 27 2009, 09:02 PM

fyi Snow Leopard is just like a service pack. Nothing to get excited over.

Posted by: -Jon- Aug 27 2009, 09:09 PM

i kinda figured that....

Posted by: drinksmokefuck Aug 27 2009, 09:12 PM

for 30 bucks it is

Posted by: -Jon- Aug 27 2009, 09:27 PM

yea.. thats not a bad price for a software.. not bad at all..

Posted by: jcp Aug 27 2009, 09:32 PM

It costs 10 dollars for me.

Posted by: Buttsex Aug 27 2009, 09:34 PM

QUOTE(-Jon- @ Aug 27 2009, 09:27 PM) *
yea.. thats not a bad price for a software.. not bad at all..

Except it's a service pack, something you should be getting for free.

Posted by: Gigi Aug 28 2009, 12:10 AM

Snow Leopard doesn't have any exciting new features to offer like Windows 7 does (but it's only because Vista is much crappier relative to Leopard). But it makes little tweaks here and there, that culminate to overall better and considerably faster performance (but not for third party apps...yet). Personally I'm willing to pay $30 bucks to free up some space on my hard drive and have stuff run a lot faster.

Also, it's been confirmed that you can upgrade to Snow Leopard without having Leopard to begin with. Just not by Apple cus obv they want you to pay the extra $120. More here: http://lifehacker.com/5347086/confirmed-29-snow-leopard-installs-whether-or-not-youve-got-leopard

Frankly there are many other sites that can give you a clear picture of what's new in Snow Leopard so check it out:
http://gizmodo.com/5346418/snow-leopard-review-lightened-and-enlightened
http://lifehacker.com/5284588/what-you-do-get-in-mac-os-x-snow-leopard
http://www.apple.com/macosx/refinements/enhancements-refinements.html

List of applications and their compatibility in SL
http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/start

According to that list, Adobe CS3 does work, just with some minor bugs.

Posted by: jcp Aug 28 2009, 12:15 AM

O! And! When you insall snow leopord you can have it not delete all your files and programs. So it really is just an update.

Posted by: drinksmokefuck Aug 28 2009, 04:03 AM

QUOTE(Gigi @ Aug 28 2009, 01:10 PM) *
Snow Leopard doesn't have any exciting new features to offer like Windows 7 does (but it's only because Vista is much crappier relative to Leopard). But it makes little tweaks here and there, that culminate to overall better and considerably faster performance (but not for third party apps...yet). Personally I'm willing to pay $30 bucks to free up some space on my hard drive and have stuff run a lot faster.

Also, it's been confirmed that you can upgrade to Snow Leopard without having Leopard to begin with. Just not by Apple cus obv they want you to pay the extra $120. More here: http://lifehacker.com/5347086/confirmed-29-snow-leopard-installs-whether-or-not-youve-got-leopard

Frankly there are many other sites that can give you a clear picture of what's new in Snow Leopard so check it out:
http://gizmodo.com/5346418/snow-leopard-review-lightened-and-enlightened
http://lifehacker.com/5284588/what-you-do-get-in-mac-os-x-snow-leopard
http://www.apple.com/macosx/refinements/enhancements-refinements.html

List of applications and their compatibility in SL
http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/start

According to that list, Adobe CS3 does work, just with some minor bugs.

so where are the pics of you and christina at

Posted by: rnicron Aug 28 2009, 07:50 AM

mine comes today

Posted by: -Jon- Aug 28 2009, 01:09 PM

^COOL! happy.gif

QUOTE
Except it's a service pack, something you should be getting for free.

wow that kinda is a rip off.. but if it gets really good ratings and reviews, then its worth it..

Posted by: jcp Aug 28 2009, 02:41 PM

Its not a rip off, for 30 bucks.

Posted by: mipadi Aug 28 2009, 02:42 PM

QUOTE(jcp @ Aug 28 2009, 03:41 PM) *
Its not a rip off, for 30 bucks.

$10 if you recently bought a Mac.

Posted by: jcp Aug 28 2009, 03:18 PM

yup.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/

Posted by: jcp Aug 28 2009, 03:18 PM

yup.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/

Posted by: -Jon- Aug 28 2009, 03:41 PM

yea, thats a good price.

Posted by: rnicron Aug 28 2009, 03:51 PM

i got mine for $10 bucks, but i had to get another for my imac. using it right now.

Posted by: jcp Aug 28 2009, 03:56 PM

I read the whole features list and stuff. It is more of an improvement then I thought. And when I buy it, im going to start using safari when I dont need my firefox add ons.


Posted by: -Jon- Aug 28 2009, 09:41 PM

QUOTE(rnicron @ Aug 28 2009, 01:51 PM) *
i got mine for $10 bucks, but i had to get another for my imac. using it right now.

How is it? ohmy.gif

Posted by: jcp Aug 28 2009, 09:47 PM

If you bought it after june this year.

Posted by: -Jon- Aug 28 2009, 09:53 PM

duh, im asking him how the look and feel is..

Posted by: jcp Aug 28 2009, 10:05 PM

There are a million youtube videos on youtube of it.

Posted by: drinksmokefuck Aug 29 2009, 04:23 AM

if JC ever reads this, the tiger -> snow leopard update does work

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Aug 29 2009, 08:22 AM

QUOTE(drinksmokef*ck @ Aug 29 2009, 04:23 AM) *
if JC ever reads this, the tiger -> snow leopard update does work


how much does it cost to go from tiger to snow leopard

Posted by: serotonin Aug 29 2009, 09:34 AM

30 dollars

Posted by: jcp Aug 29 2009, 11:24 AM

^exactly.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/170898/tiger_users_can_get_a_cheap_upgrade_to_snow_leopard.html
If you want to do it legally, then get it from amazon for 150.

Posted by: -Jon- Aug 29 2009, 02:41 PM

WTF?? Legally?
i thought yuo already get it LEGAL when you get it from apple..? huh.gif

Posted by: jcp Aug 29 2009, 03:32 PM

it is legal its just illegal to put it on a computer that has tiger. Just like it is illegal to put it on a pc.

Posted by: drinksmokefuck Aug 29 2009, 04:28 PM

QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Aug 29 2009, 09:22 PM) *
how much does it cost to go from tiger to snow leopard

30, but i got a few friends who wanted it too so i just bought the family pack for 50, it says it can cover for 5 people, but sure if thats true though

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Aug 29 2009, 08:41 PM

weird. i swear when i was reading about it in the times it said like $170 to go from tiger to snow leopard and that the $30 only applied to people going from leopard to snow leopard because it was essentially just a refinement to leopard.

Posted by: mipadi Aug 29 2009, 08:45 PM

QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Aug 29 2009, 09:41 PM) *
weird. i swear when i was reading about it in the times it said like $170 to go from tiger to snow leopard and that the $30 only applied to people going from leopard to snow leopard because it was essentially just a refinement to leopard.

That's technically true -- but when you buy a new copy of Mac OS X from Apple, you get the full version (not an "upgrade" version, as with, e.g., Windows), so nothing precludes you from installing Snow Leopard if you only have Tiger. It technically violates your Snow Leopard license, but Apple doesn't make you register for Mac OS X, and Mac OS X doesn't have serial numbers, so it's not like Apple would ever find out.

Posted by: jcp Aug 29 2009, 08:48 PM

^

QUOTE(jcp @ Aug 29 2009, 03:32 PM) *
it is legal its just illegal to put it on a computer that has tiger. Just like it is illegal to put it on a pc.

like i said. But it is still possible.

Posted by: brooklyneast05 Aug 29 2009, 08:56 PM

QUOTE(mipadi @ Aug 29 2009, 08:45 PM) *
That's technically true -- but when you buy a new copy of Mac OS X from Apple, you get the full version (not an "upgrade" version, as with, e.g., Windows), so nothing precludes you from installing Snow Leopard if you only have Tiger. It technically violates your Snow Leopard license, but Apple doesn't make you register for Mac OS X, and Mac OS X doesn't have serial numbers, so it's not like Apple would ever find out.


wow, that's really tempting to think i would only have to pay 30 bucks _unsure.gif


Posted by: jcp Aug 29 2009, 09:02 PM

do it. The specs will be way better. And you can kep your files and applications.

Posted by: Buttsex Aug 30 2009, 11:14 AM

The specs will not be better, joseph. It's just a service pack, not a f*cking DIMM stick.

Posted by: jcp Aug 30 2009, 11:43 AM

better, compared to tiger. I was talking to seasonal0.gif

Posted by: -Jon- Aug 30 2009, 01:14 PM

yea but im starting to agree with butt on this..

it is a service pack cause if you read this:

QUOTE
that the $30 only applied to people going from leopard to snow leopard because it was essentially just a refinement to leopard.
it kinda explains it for itself.

Posted by: jcp Aug 30 2009, 01:56 PM

Ya well I will say it the last time. It is a FULL OS! Not just an update cd! So you CAN! Install it over tiger even though it is against there terms.

Posted by: mipadi Aug 30 2009, 02:03 PM

Snow Leopard is a service pack in the same sense that Vista was a service pack for Windows XP, and Windows 7 is a service pack for Vista.

Posted by: Buttsex Aug 30 2009, 02:08 PM

No, it's a service pack in the sense that Vista SP1 was a service pack for Vista.

Also joseph, I can install Vista SP2 over Windows 3.1 if I want. That doesn't make Vista SP2 a service pack for Windows 3.1

Posted by: mipadi Aug 30 2009, 02:25 PM

QUOTE(Buttsex @ Aug 30 2009, 03:08 PM) *
No, it's a service pack in the sense that Vista SP1 was a service pack for Vista.

Um, no. I don't think technologies like Grand Central Dispatch and OpenCL are minor (service pack-type) updates, and those two technologies alone are probably worth about $30. A complete 64-bit rewrite of most of the core OS is a pretty big upgrade, too.

Besides, how would you know whether Snow Leopard is a "service pack" or not? You're not even a Mac user. By that I mean that updated items in Snow Leopard might appear minor, but are actually pretty important. For example, OS X has long had a feature called Services that is awesome in concept, but not implemented very well. It got a pretty big upgrade in Snow Leopard that is also (arguably) worth $30, at least to some people. But if you're not familiar with Mac OS X, it might not seem like a big deal when you see it in a list of updates. Neither would the Cocoa rewrite of the Finder, but that's a pretty big deal.

Plus, if the reports on the performance increases in Snow Leopard are true, that's no minor update, either.

On the other hand, let's look at the improvements Vista had over XP:
  1. New user interface
  2. Better 64-bit support
  3. Security enhancements
And...that's about it. Vista didn't even include the planned WinFS feature (does Windows 7 even include WinFS?). Yet I consider Vista to be a wholly separate version of Windows, as do most people. So yes, I stand by my claim that Snow Leopard is a service pack in the same sense that Vista is a service pack -- which is to say it's not.

Posted by: mipadi Sep 1 2009, 01:47 PM

Slides 12-15 of this http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars/12 discuss two of the biggest new technologies in Snow Leopard: Grand Central Dispatch and OpenCL. Both are, in and of themselves, pretty major updates.

For what it's worth, over three years ago I wrote an http://monkey-robot.com/blog/2006/08/08/stop-ruining-my-operating-system/ that emphasized that Apple should concentrate on underlying technologies, rather than user-level "flair".

Posted by: mipadi Dec 1 2009, 01:37 PM

(Finally) picked up my copy today. I'm trying to decide whether I should install it tonight, or wait until the weekend. I'll have to reinstall a bunch of software (*cough* MacPorts *cough*) when I upgrade, which is why I'm hesitant. Oh, and I want to make sure the Perian and Xiph plugins still work with the new QuickTime X -- does anyone have any experience with those in Snow Leopard?