Since Anna mentioned a new topic for discussion of the book, I figured I'd just create the new topic, that way people can talk about the book here, instead of in the other thread, that people can use who haven't finished/read the book yet.



How were you able to figure that it was him?



The only real problem I had with this book, was the first chapter, with the Minister. I don't really see that it was too relevent, other then telling us that the muggle world saw these deaths are regular murders (aside from trying to figure out how someone died when they were alone and locked up) and whatnot.. But it was just really irrelevent, and ticked me off that it had really little meaning with the rest of the book.

Maybe it'll tie in for book 7, hopefully.

i know who dies......i went to like the second to last page and saw it...how sad

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SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE AND IS THE HALF BLOOD PRINCE.

That is all. :)

Argh I hate spoilers...even if there is a warning I ALWAYS look.

hm, yeah jordan i was thinking that about the first chapter too, but i noticed a lot of stuff from the previous books were all starting to tye in together, so i'm thinking thats what'll happen with that in possibly the next book?

Discussion is misspelled.

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"SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE AND IS THE HALF BLOOD PRINCE."

That was rather obvious.
This isn't the "hey, let's state the obvious" thread, it's a discussion thread.


So, does anyone have any insight on what the least horcrux may be?

So far the ones we know of:

1. Riddle's Journal
2. the Ring
3. the Cups
4. the Locket
5. Nagini
6. _____________
7. Voldemort

the 6th horcrux is harry himself, unintentionally done but the dark lord doesn't care about it anyways.

the dark lord would have thought it funny... track down the kid who was meant to kill him, and make it so that the kid would protect him.

very sly of him.

plus, all death eaters aren't allowed to kill harry, you know. it's not just because the dark lord wants to do it himself.

` the locket has been destroyed by Regulus Black

regulus was the "idiot brother" who join the dark lord , but changed his mind. and voldemort killed him, remmeber? now remember what was in the locket.

anyways: harry will duel the dark lord in the last chapter. He will kill the dark lord , but in doing so kill himself (even if i'm wrong about harry being the 6th horcrux)

You know, that is an interesting theory. And in some way, it can work like that; it could also explain how Harry survived (other than because of love).
It was sad when Dumbledore died and the description of the funeral was well written. It was interesting to see Voldemort's childhood and life through the memories.
With Dumbledore gone, Hogwarts won't be the safest place anymore so I am curious as to what'll happen.
Now I'm excited for the last book.

If Harry was in fact a Horcrux, Voldemort would not be trying to kill him.
It's a good guess, but Harry is most definitely NOT a horcrux. Voldemort's intentions of killing Harry were because of the prophecy of him being the one to overthrow him, and most likely not to make him a horcrux. Even so, upon cursing Harry, he turned into a vapor and wouldn't have had time to make a horcrux, or well, psh who knows how to even make a horcrux and how long it would take..

The locket is most likely NOT destroyed yet. It's been said the the locket the Sirius found while cleaning out the house, may quite possibly by the locket that has the horcrux. It's a Black house, so RAB might have hidden the locket inside, which could explain why it wasn't able to be opened. If that lockest is in fact the horcrux, it's safe to say it has not been destroyed, and is now being hidden by Kreacher.

Regulus was not killed by Voldement directly, as Sirius said that RAB wouldn't have been worthy of this, and was probably killed by sone of Voldemort's minions.

Also, what makes you think Harry will die while killing Voldemort?
Just curious.

My friend Shirin had an idea on what the last horcrux may be. She said that it could be Harry himself. Proof being that his scar does let him know what Lord Voldemort is thinking, and the fact that in the first book, Albus Dumbledore stated that Voldemort left apart of himself in harry. The only trouble I see is that Harry has his own soul...so how could part of Voldemort's soul and Harry's soul live in the same body? I see it could be possible...Voldemort in Quill in the SS.

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should've read through all of the posts first sorry...

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jk rowling has written the last chapter already, and it's a reasonable thing to do, considering:

1. all heros die. if harry didn't die, then his life would have no purpose after killing the dark lord. rowling saw this, and saw she what she had to do.

2. it's a really sad chapter to write. <- what she said

3. the whole series, it's all building up to a battle with harry against the dark lord. so we know that it's going to happen, and that afterwards there's not real point to the book anymore, so it can't very well happen in teh begining of the 7th book. so it happens in the end.

4. harry is a tragic hero. tragic heros die in the end.

ergo:

the last chapter of the last book is either:

the final scene of the duel with the dark lord, where harry dies, or it is harry's funeral, after he dies killing the dark lord.


mayhaps the locket was not already destroyed, but i have a feeling it is. it's too easy to just waltz into the black manor and have a scavenger hunt... no, if it's not destroyed, it'd have to be challenging to get. regulus black won't have made it impossible to get too, like the dark lord. so it's probably destoryed, or the dark lord has it.

anyways: how can harry not be the 6th horcrux? the dark lord doesn't seem to want to kill harry. he wants to play with him. notice, in the 4th book, when he duels with the dark lord, the dark lord does not try in earnest to destory harry.

well, like dumbledore, i can be wrong. i was right about dumbledore dying, but wrong about hagrid being the halfblood prince (his mother could have been a queen of the giants...)

anyhow, we shall see. in due time, we shall see.

As far as actually believing what she says about any book, is honestly rubbish. She mentioned some facts of what to expect in book six, few of them were revealed, which leads me to not believe anything about future books, unless it can be proved from a previous book and to just wait it out.



It's a possiblity, but from the other [horcrux] items, it seems to be things that mean most to him. I don't remember the page, but Dumbledore was describing what horcruxes Voldemort would/has used, and why.

I highly doubt Harry meant anything to him aside from his fall from evil and his death (from the prophecy). His intention was to KILL Harry, not to make him a horcrux. He's "the boy that lived." His scar is a result of the failed curse that was meant to KILL him, not make him a horcrux.

Voldemort's whole motive/intent for killing James, Lilly and well, Harry were because of the prophecy. Not to make a horcrux. By the time Harry was already, it might even be possible he had already MADE his horcruxes.

He did make his first one while still on Hogwarts (the journal.)

it was unintentional. remember, the dark lord had just killed two powerful wizards when he failed to kill harry.

anyways: dumbledore believed that the dark lord was missing one horcrux when he went to kill harry, because he wanted to use a special murder.

I think the first chapter was to fill the story in to anyone who didn't read Books 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5. Woah, Harry a Horcrux? There's a thought, but... nu. O_O I kinda felt like Dumbledore was gonna die because 1. In 5th book, Harry got close to Sirius, he died, so Harry was getting Dumbledore... 2. In every book, Rowling shows that Harry must take the last journey on his own. Book 7 will be the last journey, so he must take it on his own. 3. Like stated in the book, Dumbledore was one of his protectors [others being his parents and Sirius], and once again, he must take the last journey alone. I can't believe that Horcrux was a fake. I cried. :(

Don't tell.... I actually really liked this book.
SHHHH.

Uh, anyway. I KNEW HARRY AND GINNY WOULD GET TOGETHER. I KNEW IT.

In the Order of the Phoenix.. there was this locket that they couldn't get open when they were cleaning up in Grimmauld Place but I dont remember exactly.. I should check up on that later. But do you think that it could be the locket that R.A.B. took?

edit: this was already mentioned. should've read the whole thing :P

i think i've read somewhere that JK said that the last chapter was about what happens in the end to the characters that survived.

and on another note, i thought that the remus/tonks thing was pretty weird.. i wasn't expecting it. but it's good to see that remus won't be lonely anymore, i guess.

it's a shame we have to wait around 2 more years for the next book.

i dont dink thats true... cuz if he die den no more harry potter books

rowling has stated she does not plan on more books after the 7th.

i'm right you're wrong get over it.

it's the only way to satisfactarily end the series.

whoever's taken the locket, most likely is a death eater. just an interesting thing to point out, it is addressed, "to the dark lord".

as harry rudely points out to snape in the 5th book, "why do you call voldemort the dark lord, i've only ever heard Death Eaters call him that-"

so that does back up the regulus black theory, although i don't think regulus would have the nerve/brains to do it. maybe it's just some new character.

as for the 6th horcrux, dumbledore and harry thought that it may be a posession of one of the four founding people of hogwarts (e.g. the cup of hufflepuff, necklace of slytherin) i highly doubt that it would be harry, seeing as how voldemort would not want to destroy part of his soul, cause, well, that would suck ass now wouldn't it. and besides, voldemort toys with harry because he finds it amusing to think that anyone could believe to match up to his level of power, especially a young boy. as dumbledore has said, it is one of his flaws to underestimate people based on age. so he just fools around with harry and laughs like a weirdo.

anywho, in the order of the phoenix, the locket wasn't a little golden locket on a necklace that could be worn. it was a heavy locket, and kind of contradicts the idea of a necklace. besides, the locket was barely mentioned, so i don't think it would be the right horcrux. and it wouldn't be that easy.

whatever.

well, who said the locket was worn? salazar slytherin, wear a locket?

it is apparent that the dark lord was indeed dupped by regulus black, as the initals and the premonition of death point to

*shrugs* the daughter was wearing it around her neck on a gold chain.

and i just realized that it was "a heavy gold locket", which supports the "inside the Black house" idea.

^x2 I agree with everything he just said.
I don't think Harry is the 6th horcrux, either.

well, it is a longshot, but the possibility must be considered.

afterall, when the dark lord attacked harry, he left part of himself in harry.

however, the 6th horcrux will undoubtably be unconventional.

About the locket in OotP.. JK is known to let important details or clues to slip by.. just like in the first book when we hear about Sirius' motorcycle. You never know..

-- Harry being the 6th horcrux entered my mind too. but i havent realli thought that one thru. he probably isnt since if he was, Voldemort wouldnt wanna kill him. but then again, he could very well be the 6th horcrux with the scar n such. maybe a part of him was left in Harry? maybe thats why Harry must die for Voldemort to die? heh, who knows. im babbling.

-- Dumbledore's death wasnt a surprise to me. when Sirius died, i figured the next to die would also be someone Harry is close to, someone he loves/need/watever.

-- what did surprise me was that Snape killed him. i doubt Snape is truly on the dark side tho. Dumbledore trusted him, completely trusted him. so there must be something about Snape we dont know yet (what makes Dumbledore trust Snape so much), i think? besidez, Snape made the Unbreakable Vow, n there he HAD to keep it. maybe Dumbledore knew? maybe when Hagrid overheard them arguing, Dumbledore was reminding Snape that he had to kill him? dunno, just my thoughts.

-- JKR's writing style kinda changed in this book, didnt it? or is it just me? it felt differnt reading this book.

-- lastly, i was upset Sirius didnt reappear. he realli was my favorite character. this book didnt make me cry. the 5th one did.

^ both the six and fifth made me cry. i'm an easy weeper I guess. =T

Hey, any of you guys watch Potter Puppet Pals [I know it's a lil off topic...] Well, I watching it over today and well... Remember this part?



Very ironic. And depressing.

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hah yes i remember that...

and i totally called ginny + harry too...i love the ron + hermione development as well, but as for the 6th horcrux...i'm clueless. too many possibilities to think about.

There's no need to be an a-hole about it; People have their opinions, as you have yours. You don't have actual proof you're right or wrong, so shove that up your ass.

Who are you to say that's how to end a series?
An author doesn't have to kill a character to end it.
I've read many books where it should go on, but it doesn't have to, because it's just over.




YES! Exactly.

He's a goddamn psychotic; Keeping trophies from people who have suffered/died, and everything else that he stands for.





However, unintentially. And not so much a part of himself, in the sense of a soul, but rather his powers/knowledge were transfered to Harry.

- dumbledore dies
- snape is the half-blood prince

Hey, thanks for being obvious.

This is a dicussion thread; Not "let's make a post about what everyone else already knows [that has posted in this thread!]"

I think that jk rowling should kill off harry in the last book, but then have ron kill voldie for revenge. I f you havent noticed ron is always in the shadows of everyone else...or have neville kill voldie, that would be a twist in the plot

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and for the only 1 more book thing, the next book is either going to be extremely long(1500-2000) pages, or there is going to be more books....unless jk rowling slacks off and writes real crappy like

Now to a theory I had about the soul (forgot the real word for them)-



What we know about VM’s souls-

* DD isn’t the only one who knows about them. So does R.A.B

(I think that’s the initials)

* His souls are stored in a Diary, Ring, Locket, Goblet, Snake, VM, and in an obeject thought to be owned by either Griffendor or Ravenclaw.
* To split the soul you need to kill someone
* You have to kill all VM’s souls to kill him



Unknown stuff-



* Whats the spell to split the soul
* Where the last soul is
* How to destroy objects housing souls



My idea involving Souls



Ok so the list of souls goes as follows- Diary, Ring, Locket, Goblet, Snake, VM, and in an obeject thought to be owned by either Griffendor or Ravenclaw. So to start lets talk about the unknown obect. First I would like to point out a few things. One you can store souls in living things, like a snake. Second you must kill someone to do it, and the killing curse is Avada Kadava (I think). Also DD has said to Harry something along the lines of “When VM tried to kill you, he put some of him self into you, that’s why you can speak Parcletounge (speaking to snakes)” ext. Also when the Death Eaters got into Hogwarts they used a vanishing cabinet. How Draco described it, really made me thinking. He said that his friend that was shut in it, heard both stuff happening in Hogwarts, and stuff happening in that shop. There was a connection there. Those are the 4 main thing I am basing my argument on.

I believe when VM used Avada Kadava on little Harry, the spell back fired and split his soul once again. Part of his soul went to Harry while he kept the other half. That would mean that Harry has 2 souls in him. That expains why he could feel how VM is feeling. It would work like the vanishing cabinet. The soul is connecting the two of them.

Also DD says he thinks it is stored in something owned by Griffenor or Ravenclaw. I know this has been said before, but what if Harry is the desendent of one of these houses? Then DD is right, it is stored in one of them.

Now the interesting part, If Part of VM is in Harry, how can he defeat VM without killing him self? I mean how can he kill just one part of him self. This is where I think a big battle inside of harry with take place. I think each soul will struggle to control Harry’s body and mind, but then Harry’s Soul will win the fight destroying VM’s soul. Anyone like my ideas so far?


I have page numbers and more proof for it too

^^hi shirin

back to disscussion

hi brewer! Funny seeing you here...

I think in the last chapter it should explain everything

I think that it's going to, seeing as how that's what last chapters do...

im sory..i shouldve looked at the beginning.

hmmm.. a lot of really good theories going on in this discussion.

-harry being a horcrux.. it's definitely a very good idea and seeing as all the evidence.. the scar, seeing voldemorts thoughts, 'transferring a part of him' and all that.. but i just have a hard time believing it's him. who knows.. its a very good thought.

-regulas black as R.A.B - good theory again.. but there's not that much evidence supporting it so far. i think its definitely a possibility that he's it.. but who knows. oh and umm i'm a bit confused.. didn't that little note say that whoever R.A.B. is that he destroyed/is going to destroy the horcrux? idk maybe i got a little confused there.

i definitely think the fact that harry has the power to love and voldemort does not is going to play a huge part in their battle. dumbledore stressed this to harry and made him understand that although voldemort is a very wise and capable wizard.. harry can love. this theme has always been big in all the hp books.. so i think its going to come down to that to kill voldemort. as for harry killing himself because he is a horcrux.. or voldemort killing harry? i dont know.. i doubt it. its the good vs. evil thing.. and i just don't think rowling would put all of the work into the previous books just to have voldemort kill harry. although it is a good theory that ron or someone else kills him for harry.. but i think it more likely that someone else close to harry gets killed in the last book. i mean in each book, someone dies, getting closer and closer to harry. the first.. 'eh well no one really.. but you are introduced to the fact that harry lost his parents. the second.. voldemort tries to kill ginny.. the third.. um you dont see him in the 3rd do you? like in the 6th.. only two books where harry doesnt fight voldemort. hmm then the 4th cedric.. 5th siris.. and now 6th dumbledore. i think someone close to harry has to die in the last book if it not himself [which i doubt]. someone like ron or hermoine probably.. but idk.

any thoughts for the title / release date of the 7th book?

oh and who else totally cried in the ending of the 6th book.. i cried in the 5th one too and then the whole thing with dumbledore dying was soo sad, the funeral was very well written. oh and poor aragog dying almost made me tear up too.. lol.

Yes, I figured out the initals RAB when I was taking a shower and thinking of Sirius and Tonks.
Anywho, HBP was more depressing, IMO, than all of the other stories put together.
Ooh, and in response to xlauren73x's response, yes, I did cry at the end of the fifth book when Sirius Black died, but at the end of this book when Dumbledore died, I was just sad. Not to mention a bit dark at Rowling for killing off Albus Dumbledore. Ho-hum.

Possible horcrux:

Ginny Weasly

Why?


Now, I know that horcruxes can only be created through a death.. so.. who knows. Maybe it's possible to have killed someone, and hold this horcrux until it needs to be unleashed. Ianno.

I took that quote from CoS to mean that a Soul can only live if it has a heart. Thats why none of the other soul are becoming people. But then again the snake has a heart, so why doesnt it become VM? Hmmmm

Uhm, who are you replying to?

I'm a bit interested in Draco's character. I wasn't surprised he became a Death Eater at such a young age, but I don't think he has it in him. He tried to kill Dumbledore to save his family but he just didn't have it in him to kill him. The only reason he agreed to was probably because he LOVED his family.. and isn't LOVE an important thing that Voldemort doesn't have? and probably most of the other Death Eaters as well. I have a feeling that Draco won't be living a very long life.

edit: About Ginny being a possible Horcrux.. I really think she is one! Especially with what Tom was explaining to Harry about pouring their souls into each other and etc.. I think that theory is much better than Harry himself being a Horcrux.

I found this-

Brand, Rudolf
Captain of the Heidelberg Harriers who, at the end of a famous match with the Holyhead Harpies, proposed marriage to the Harpies' team captain, Gwendolyn Morgan; she whacked him over the head with her broom (QA).

She has the initials..

^ didn't hermione mention her? or was it someone else, i forgot. i doubt it was rudolf brand, though.. R.A.B. is most likely a death eater.

On another forum someone mentioned R and B, which would imply two people.

"On another forum someone mentioned R and B, which would imply to people."

Lost.... what does it imply?

I forgot the 'w' in two.
I don't think it would've been hard to guess that from "r and b," then again, apparently it is...