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ichigofan
Ok I dont know if any of you have even read the Book of Revelations which is sometimes called the Apocalypse of John.It contains an account of the author, thought by many to be John or John of Patmos, who saw a vision describing future events at the end of the world—involving the final rebellion by Satan at Armageddon, God's final defeat of Satan, and the restoration of peace to the world. I believe it is just the Imagination of a man who was dying and using hallucinogetic drugs and It is ridiculous to even follow the "events" of this bombastic text! stubborn.gif
xquizit
Well, I guess we'll never know until the Apocalypse arrives. _smile.gif
heyyfrankie
idk. everything in the bible is supposed to be true so like roxy said...we'll just have to wait.

*goes and prays* shifty.gif
mipadi
QUOTE(Frankie @ Jun 27 2005, 2:20 PM)
idk. everything in the bible is supposed to be true so like roxy said...
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I think that the goal of this thread is to debate that point.
bellpepper
I believe in the bible so yes, I believe its true. And some of the signs that are mentined as a precurser to the apocalypse are happening today. But I guess some people wont believe until the apocalypse actually happens.
CrazayChristian
Maybe not as bad as it is depicted.

Jesus will come again and make the final judgement of everyone and then there will be peace.

It's like they said

We'll never know til the end.

"And noone but God sh'all know when the end sh'all come" (rough quote)That one book, that one chapter with that one verse.
ichigofan
I dont know where I read this but an Author wrote once in his book "Dont worry about the end of days because it is already tomorrow in Australia"[rough quote]
dani41790
I really don't know if I believe it but i'm open to the possibility that it might be true.
KMFDM_MDFMK
The bible is a book of lies people wrote so billions of people could have the same imaginary friend and be brainwashed into believing something that is false. The book of revelations is just some lie made to scare people. That is my opinion
ryfitaDF
i hope it's true. 3 of the 7 seals are already open. hehehe.

note: the only book of the bible i've actually taken any interest in.
kryogenix
QUOTE(ichigofan @ Jun 27 2005, 12:10 PM)
Ok I dont know if any of you have even read the Book of Revelations which is sometimes called the Apocalypse of John.It contains an account of the author, thought by many to be John or John of Patmos, who saw a vision describing future events at the end of the world—involving the final rebellion by Satan at Armageddon, God's final defeat of Satan, and the restoration of peace to the world. I believe it is just the Imagination of a man who was dying and using hallucinogetic drugs and It is ridiculous to even follow the "events" of this bombastic text! stubborn.gif
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what hallucinogens were around back then?

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  The bible is a book of lies people wrote so billions of people could have the same imaginary friend and be brainwashed into believing something that is false. The book of revelations is just some lie made to scare people. That is my opinion


usually when we debate, we use concrete evidence to back up our opinions, rather than spout mindless nonsense.
mipadi
QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jun 28 2005, 5:04 PM)
what hallucinogens were around back then?
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Mushrooms.

John of Patmos lived on an island--Patmos, to be specific--that is known for having lots of wild mushrooms which have, of course, powerful hallucinogenic properties. Some scholars belief John ate these mushrooms while exiled on the island.
technicolour
So, mipadi, you are saying that John was HIGH when he wrote revelations? Wow. That's a new one.
mipadi
Some scholars have theorized that hallucinogenic mushrooms may have had a hand in his visions and subsequent writings, yes. Given the nature of his writings, it's not that hard to fathom.
CrackedRearView
QUOTE(mipadi @ Jun 30 2005, 11:09 AM)
Some scholars have theorized that hallucinogenic mushrooms may have had a hand in his visions and subsequent writings, yes. Given the nature of his writings, it's not that hard to fathom.
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Are you suggesting that all of the writers of the gospel were lit when they wrote their accounts? Because they sure came out similar, didn't they?
mipadi
QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ Jun 30 2005, 1:24 PM)
Are you suggesting that all of the writers of the gospel were lit when they wrote their accounts?  Because they sure came out similar, didn't they?
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No, I'm not. I'm suggesting what a number of scholars have hypothesized:
  1. Patmos is notable for its wild mushrooms which have hallucinogenic properties.
  2. John spent a lot of time on Patmos--he was in exile.
  3. John undoubtedly consumed food while on Patmos.
  4. Mushrooms are edible, so it is not a stretch to suggest John ate some.
  5. John's visions of the apocalypse, and his descriptions of such, are consistent with visions that other users of hallucinogenic drugs, especially mushrooms, experience.
It's not completely inconceivable that, yes, he was under the influence of hallucinogenic mushrooms when he had his visions.

Furthermore, the Book of Revelations is hardly similar to other books in the Bible. It has the same theme, but the details of the book contrast startlingly to the rest of the Bible.
Mulder
you cant prove or disprove the bible. but do i believe in the book of revelations...or any other part of the bible for that matter? no.
lbjshaq2345
i believe in God and if God is real then the Bible is real and everything in it is true so that means the apocalypse will happen exactly as depicted in revelations some ppl are saying that the end of the world is near bcuz of everything gion wrong in the world (multiple wars, natural disasters, numerous corrupt ppl) but rly not many of the prophecies are being fulfilled so i rly dont think the apocalypse is goin to happen in any of our lifetimes
aznxdreamer
as a very non devoted christina i think the bible was written by some guy that got high off mushrooms or something and started hallucinating. stuff in the bible just sounds like a bunch of crap.
gelionie
Well, I believe the Book of Revelations is true.

Someday the world will end, but no one knows when.

QUOTE(aznxdreamer @ Jul 6 2005, 7:22 PM)
as a very non devoted christina i think the bible was written by some guy that got high off mushrooms or something and started hallucinating. stuff in the bible just sounds like a bunch of crap.
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^ Can you give me an example of what in the Bible you think is a bunch of crap?
Shahin
Being the Muslim infidel that I am, I haven't read the book of Revelations. However, since the general direction of this thread is revolving around Apocalypse I'll say that I believe with 100% certainty that it will happen. It may not happen in the way that Revelations depicts it tho.
persephones
A lot of the bible is symbolic. Revelations, very much so, obviously. So John was tripping when he wrote it? Ha ha ha! I don't believe in Christian beliefs(I am being raised Catholic; it's obviously not working well); but while Revelations would make a scary story, it probably isn't going to happen. If anything, humanity will destroy itself before God gets around to it.
disco infiltrator
QUOTE(niez_cho @ Jul 7 2005, 2:49 AM)
Well, I believe the Book of Revelations is true.

Someday the world will end, but no one knows when.
^ Can you give me an example of what in the Bible you think is a bunch of crap?
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i personally think most, if not all of it is..but that's probably because i'm an atheist. but yea.

i have one in my room, over the right of me currently, if you really want me to pick out all the stuff i think is crap, since more than likely, i'm thinking the same as her.
rinygrin
Fiction or best yet Fable.
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