..i'm not good with all this technology and pros and cons stuff, and i dunno which to get and who to believe. some people are like "omg only posers have ipods!!" and some people are like "ipods are wayy better than those mp3 players!" help me decide.

well, anyway, these are my pros and cons

mini: nicer, not many features, costs $100 to get replace battery
zen: uglier, a few more features, costs $40 to replace battery, UGLIER (<-- thats what im most concerned about, lol. ><)

i...like the ipod better =x yeah, the zen has a lot more features, but personally i like the ipod a bit better. it's simpler, and since i don't listen to the radio at all or anything, all i really need is something to hold music. And i like how the ipod looks better too, hehe xP

I guess if you listen to radio and need/want all of those features, I'd go with the zen...even if it looks a little scary:rolleyes:

But if you really don't need radio and all that..and want something simple and nice, I'd go with the ipod

by the way, there's only one choice in your poll?

Brianna, THE IPOD IS GAY.
They have so many bad things with it, ipods are shit.
The Zen is so much better, get the zen instead.

Hah, I was just talking to my boyfriend about that. I was planning on getting him an iPod Mini, since he got an iPod for me, but after I found out about some of the cool features of the Zen Micro (It holds more songs for the same price, has voice recording and a radio) I decided to get him that. But it's really up to you. I suggest researching them both before deciding.

I'd have to say iPod. I don't trust the other mp3 players.

go with the zen micro.

it's much better than the ipod.

it has better sound quality, if nothing else (for those that will use the excuse "i'll only use my ipod for my music"

it also has radio, which is quite nice for when you get bored.

i'd also look for something with recording (i don't know if this has recording), but recording is danged useful.

i use my iriver to record lectures- mp3s, 320 kps (if i want), or 128, or numbers in between.

plus, the buttons light up real cool on the micro.

You are a complete idiot then.

this is like another bash ipod thred get what YOU WANT as i say all the time reserch it and get YOUR NEEDS not extra crap that you dont need

how is this a bash ipod thread? all im asking is what you think i should get. i have researched all that i can research, and it's come down to these two mp3 players that i am still researching, yet still can't decide. and i don't own either one of these mp3 players (obvioiusly) so i dont know which one is truly good, since some of you may have a creative zen or ipod and know if it's really worth the money and/or its a good mp3 player or not.

i never even mentioned anything about "bashing" in my topic.
read before you post next time.

the mini is prettier, but i would definitely get the micro instead

i'm telling it how it is. i didn't say ipod suck. i didn't say anything bad about the ipods. i said good things about the micro.

and truely, the micro has better DB to noise ratio than the ipod mini.

and it costs less, i believe.

so; based on the single need of playing music, the micro is the better choice.

unless your needs are having an mp3 player to show off to your friends with.

Have you look at the others rather than these two?
I ditch ipod mini personally becoz so many of my friends have them! It's so not cool. It sounds crap, it doesn't have radio, recording and others. I tried zen and it's ok. But my friend has one and hers broke after two weeks... I dunno if it's zen's problem or hers. I have an iriver myself and i think it's the best!

well, my needs aren't having an mp3 player to show off, but i at least want the mp3 player to be nice, and the zen looks kind of .. weird.

my sister has an iriver, its cheaper and has voice recording and radio and stuff, but it doesn't look very nice. ><

yeah, i know its the features that really count, but like..i dunno. i care a lot about how it looks too. yeah, i know, im weird.

We cant help it if the ipods suck, and they are the stupidest thing ever invented.If you have one you are a complete moron and money waster.

Ok, I have an iPod, and I use my boyfriend's Zen. The zen can hold more songs for the same price (the 5g one), has a radio, and recording. It glows in the dark, and at first, it may look weird, but you'll get used to it. The touchpad on the zen is a bit delicate though. The iPod is sleeker, a bit easier to understand how to use and has a longer battery life.

ok, well i think the most im concerned about is how expensive it is to replace the batteries for the ipod mini, and how the ipod mini doesn't have a radio.

the zen is cheaper to replace the batteries, and its user replaced, and it has a radio, but it's really weird looking.

how do you know about the db ratio? it all sounds the same? i mean its like you dont need surrond sound for an mp3 player and its like do YOU have an ipod at all? do you have one in your hand and know what it does? do you really need a raido on an mp3 player?

if you have insurance on the ipod the battry gets replaced for free if you guys would read it, if you do not have insurace on it, it cost. like i said this may not be a lets bash ipod but most of the post are.

"We cant help it if the ipods suck, and they are the stupidest thing ever invented.If you have one you are a complete moron and money waster." < you may think that but i dont care its like purswaing someone on getting what YOU want them to get because apple is a main high stream company and zen isnt, who cares? i know i dont? i would rather get quaitly over what it has, ooo for $50 more can get 2 years more of insurance... isnt that good? with zen can you get that? look at facts and dont be some commi who wants to take down main stream

Ipod mini signal to noise ratio: 80 db

Zen micro signal to noise ratio: 98 db
(out of 100 possible for both)

i'll let the numbers do the talking.

http://www.dealtime.com/xPR-Apple_iPod_Min...RD-130877197956
"the iPod mini has a signal-to-noise ratio of at least 95 but more likely 97"

http://www.creative.com/products/product.a...4&product=11519
"Boasting a signal-to-noise ratio of 96dB"

*cough cough*

if you can find me a site that says differnt please tell me

you're using a crap source for the ipod mini.

http://home.comcast.net/~machrone/playertest/playertest.htm

look at the wave forms for ipod mini and the zen micro.

you're fighting a loosing battle.

((of course, unless you're talking about the 6gb mini, which is different))

well if you read that you should just get a suffle and save your self a crap load of money

i have an ipod mini(silver) so i say ipod mini

sweetxsimplicity, get the micro.

why?

1- it lights up the buttons.

2- you can record lectures (i assume you're still in school. this is a big plus)

3- it sounds better

4- you can listen to the radio if you get tired of your tunes.

5- it's got a removable battery. buy two, and you double your battery life. it's very cheap to replace when it runs out (compared to other players)

why are you makeing up her mind? why doesnt she do it for herself?!

I say the Creative Zen over the iPod mini

that's why i'm making the decision for her.

anyways; please, say some good things about the mini to convince her, instead of getting mad at people who say good things about the micro and comparing it to the mini.

i don't really care about the light up buttons, no electronics at school, actually, most people say the ipod mini sounds better, because its db or something like that is higher, but only by a little, so you can hardly tell the difference. and yeah, as i said the only thign im really 'concerned' about is the battery and radio.. lol

i think i might get the mini, but i reaaally want a radio, and i hate how they charge sooo much to replace the mini's battery

most people say the mini sounds better?

the zen series is THE best in sound quality among DAPs...

anyways; with the battery, i wish i had a replacable battery like the micro....

i say thei pod mini... the zen seems to hf alot more features but i persoanlly like ipods better.. plus i think they look alot better..

Ok.. umm.. yea the ipod mini is really pretty and all but it's just not worth it.

5 GB Zen Micro ~> 189.00 (at walmart)
4 GB iPod ~> 200.00 (everywhere)

See, it's that simple. And the Zen is compatible with Napster To Go. That's uhh.. unlimited songs for 15 dollars a month.

For the iPod.. it's 99 cents per song and you can only buy songs from the iTunes store.

if you have the warrenty its free, its only the non warrenty ones that cost to replace thats why if you get one i would consider gettting the 2 year add on

now to add on what good things the ipod has

its slim and sleek unlike the zen, less buttons to fidle with when you can move around on the ipod much quicker,

"See, it's that simple. And the Zen is compatible with Napster To Go. That's uhh.. unlimited songs for 15 dollars a month.

For the iPod.. it's 99 cents per song and you can only buy songs from the iTunes store."

not true, with napster you can dl and save on your computer then just move it to the ipod, or you can burn your own cds, you do not have to buy from itunes

the price may be a little iffy but i mean you can get rid of the album art and add more songs with that or lower the kbps just a bit and save room as well

i really dont think the dB should matter because i mean thats like fine heraing you have to have like a $400 pair of headphones to really hear the diffrance i mean you think just a few db would make a difference? i mean its not like your trying to go into an ipod comp to see whos sounds better?

this is my rant and rave

it costs 99 cents a song to rip to CD.

the tracks are DRM protected, so you can only play them on your computer and your MP3 player.

wtf is ur problem?
just cause he doesnt trust other mp3 players doesnt mean he's an idiot... so please stfu...

n e ways...

i give it to hte zen micro this time. its better than the mini. reason being is.. the mini imo is a waste of money. for $50 more you can get a 20 gb ipod. mini's are ok, but i think the regular ipods are better than mini's. if you want something small and cheap, i would go with the zen micro.

Doesn't the Napster To Go only work with Mp3 players.. not with CDs? Ahh, I'm crazy.

Those who think that the Zen Micro is all tacky you guys should think again. I've seen a Zen Micro in person it's kinda metallic. It is kind of like the iPod Click Wheel except instead of going in circles, it goes up and down.

ive held a zen micro. and its actually pretty cool. but i guess its whatever you like.

its not 200 everywhere. its 250 at target, and there are plenty of online retail stores w/ free shipping that sell it for much cheaper.

My problem is that he is an idiot.
Stfu? Dont you know how to spell? "n e ways?" I havent noticed a single capitalized word either.
Please. You are wasting my time.

How do you not TRUST other mp3 players? Especially when the one you do trust is an iPod. Which is proven to be a shitty player. While the others are being praised non-stop, but aren't being noticed because of stupid idiots, who think they know electronics, but really dont know jack shit. And others such as trend whores, plus Apples damn iPod campaign.


The ipod is SHIT People. Brianna, if you do buy it, it will be the biggest regret of your life. There are plenty of better players out there, they just haven't been noticed. Most people only buy it, because they are trend whores, and others think they know electronics.

Another good one, would be the Olympus M:Robe, its very good. Ive tested it at Office Max. The 5 gig mp3 player, is remarkably good. THe only you might not like are the colors. It comes in 2, one is the black, which is the material. 2nd color, is the light, theres only one color light, the text is a lighter form of this color so you can see it. Its orange, or some where around there.

They also had the 500 version, which looks like the new mp4's that are becoming popular. It can play music, and also hold pictures, Plus the thing it self has a camera, so you can take more pictures. I heard you like photography brianna, so i bet this will interest you. And both of these both even buttons. Except the power/hold button. They are both touch screened, like the Nintendo Ds, Palm pilot, or a Pocket Pc.

The mp3 player one, just tap the place where it indicated. And the mp4 sort of one just click on the icons, like a palm pilot.

The mp3, has no buttons, but you dont touch the screen. It's like having buttons, but there aren't any. Its kinda like laser, it shows you where the scroll is and stuff. Plus the play and everything. No button pressing, or buttons at all. Just tap it, both of these put the iPod, and even other mp3 players to shame.

^^ ok.. wtf does spelling have to do with this? please stfu now cause you are getting off topic. i type how i want. i dont need mr. spell check on my ass about it. go get a life rather than spending all ur time online bashing ipods.


who gives a f**k if you like ipods or not. get off apple's d**k if you dont like them so much. and i am wasting ur time? i think ur wasting both of our time by trying to sound smart when all ur doing is comparing mp3 players. f**king lame...

so please tell me again why he doesnt have hte right to trust other mp3 players?


can u give me one?

please?

get your spell check to give me 1 reason why he cant trust anything he doesnt want to...

and how does owning an ipod mean ur following the trend? wtf about this iriver trend that is growing so fast?



bet you cant explain that...




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oh and for the last f**king time... THEY ALL DO THE SAME THING... if you hate ipods for being so unreliable then dont buy one. nobody is forcing mike roch or whatever to buy one. so go and suck on an iriver....

Wow, you are the biggest dumbshit i have ever met.

How am I on apple's d**k, if I hate their product?
The iRiver isn't becoming a trend. It won't be, because its not a achieving the popularity of the iPod.

You must be even f**king stupider than the guy before you, if you don't think iPod is a trend whore thing.
Get my spell check to give you one reason? Spell check comes in many different forms and varietes on different programs. It's also an inatimate object, that cannot give decisions like this. It's also not the purpose of it. Chickenshit.
I'm not saying he can't trust them, im saying if he does, hes an idiot. Read correctly shitfucker.

Im not trying to sound smart by comparing, im comparing so I can make a friend, pick a wise decision. You can get better deals, by getting others. You can pick better mp3 players, than the ones that only seem available to you.

They all don't do the same thing. Certain players take videos, others have only music, some of them can even take pictures. How about you find about before you say incorrect things.

Suck on an iRiver, what are you 10? Jesus Christ, talk to me when you've gotten through, or atleast started puberty. Stupid Dickfuck.

dude wtf. they do do the same thing. wtf do yo think the main reason of owning an mp3 player is? for music you stupid f**k...

and you are on apple's d**k... obviously your the stupid one. what about hte people who owned an ipod before they got popular? did they get them because of some trend? no they didnt. and there are still people out there who get ipods not for trends, because its an mp3 pkayer and thats the one they know the best.

and how is iriver not bceomming a trend? theres f**king tons of people who praise the iriver just as those who go crazy over the ipod so dont start. cause ur one of them...

if an ipod is what somebody wants.. then thats what they get. who cares about the other players out. woh the hell cares if the creative 50931223hgh or whatever can send alien transmissions, or if the iriver 093u8kladsjfklaj can make bacon... just like i said in another htread. i buy an mp3 player to play music. if i already have a digi cam and i video player, why do i need my mp3 player to do this? I ALREADY HAVE IT... and the quality of some of the things these mp3 players do extra suck half the time. do you really think im gonig to get outstanding quality photo's out of an mp3 player thats under 200-250 bucks? when the great quality camera's cost that much and more? who is going to sell something that does all of that for so cheap? sure it might be cheap and do all of those things.. but there are some bad drawbacks... little screens, poor color, limited settings, etc... so now what do i have to find out?... i know about iriver's little mp3 player that plays video's. and to tell you the truth, the ipod get higher ratings than almost all the players out...

apple ipod photo:
http://reviews.cnet.com/Apple_iPod_Photo__...83.html?tag=pop


iriver h340:
http://reviews.cnet.com/iRiver_H340_40GB/4...l?tag=pdtl-list

creative zen touch:
http://reviews.cnet.com/Creative_Zen_Touch...506.html?tag=bv



yes.. i can compare also... not that hard...


and suck on iriver? yes keep sucking cause it seems you havent been sucking hard enough.. cause ipods are still better... dumb shit...

umm..im sorry, i didn't mean to start a fight. ><
LETS JUST NOT FIGHT ABOUT IT ANYMORE!!

and i think im gonna get an ipod, cuz its a lot better looking and the radio is kinda blurry anyway, so i wouldn't want to record it (the biggest reason of why i wanted the creative zen) and thanks wayne for telling me that you can replace the battery for free if you have a warranty. =)

^ np. srry about the fighting. i need to calm down. o.o

same here haha its all fun though :)

i got it, i got it. cover the micro with paper and cut out a hole for a screen, draw out buttons that look cool, and stick it in one of those ipod cover things. look, brilliance and beauty and savings (actually i don't know how much either one costs) all in the same package!

or just buy one.

^^ wtf?!?!

lololol

some people think the ipod looks like crap.

Wow. hahaha, it makes me laugh, how hard you try. But really, your still wrong. And yeah battery is replacable. But after the warranty you are scrwed.

Ha, cnet? I never trust Cnet anymore. After that stupid high score they gave to the ipod.

The iRiver is only becoming popular, because most of them hate iPods. They supporr iriver because the iRiver actually works.

Stop trying, you know you are wrong.

Im so offended by your childish remarks. Please grow up. Cb does not need anymore pre-teen, pre-pubecent little kids.

Also, you missed the whole point. I just commented on the extra little features that the other mp3's can do shiteater. I never said about how good they were. Brianna , if you wanna get a shit mp3 player like the iPod, be my guest. I just wanna help you make a wise decision. Go for the Creative Zen, because thats your other choice. Hell if you dont like that anymore, go for iRiver, m:robe or anyother company.

Just remember, when it breaks, dont blame me.

Wayne, you're still a dumbass.

^^ the argument is over.. u've been pwned. just get over it. u're running around in circles now. so shut the f**k up about it. go outside and play with moving traffic or something.

irivers break. stop acting liek they are invincible.. shit.. and ore teen? get the f**k outta here. im prolyl older than ur ass.

they say "never argue with fools cause a person looking from a distance cant tell who is who"...

which is why i stopped fighting with ur dumb ass.. but if u want round 2... u can have it cause making u look stupid is nothing but all fun and games to me. so ima stop and let you reply with some "i wana sound mature but i still want to TRY to make wayne look dumb" type shit on a f**king internet forum.. no matter how many times u call me a dumb ass, dumb f**k, or whatever.. ur not changing anything.. i can come back and call u the same thing and then u'll say "get outta here with those 5th grade comebacks.. blah blah blah"... when u started the shit. how did u start the shit? by insulting somebody who didnt deesrve anything of the sort just because of their opinion... if u think calling people stupid/idiots/or whatever makes u look mature or cooler... then ur truly a dumb f**k..


p.s... if cb doesnt need any more pre-teen/pre-school members.. then why dont u leave cause im older than u and i was here first...

woah guys. come on. it's just some MP3 players.


now, both of you, stop. stop trying to get the last word in.

wow..that picture makes the ipod pretty...well anyway i never heard of creative zen but i 'm going tio say that one anyway cause i hate ipods they are ugly