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rOckThISshYt
Sorry if there's already a topic on this.

Well, our school news paper is writing an article on the Miss America pagent. (Why? I don't know. ermm.gif ) It got into the whole world peace thing and how no matter what, all the women say they want world peace. This is what I had to say about that...

I highly doubt that's what those woman want. They're too worried about their hair to actually care about the rest of the world. I mean, I'm sure some do. But the majority.. I doubt it. _dry.gif Plus, anyone who says world peace is good for the world doesn't look into it enough.

I think there are way too many wars going on in the world about the stupidest thing. But some wars are important for the world. Without it, there'd be absolutly no evolution. I'm talking about society's evolution. Look at it this way:

Think of the Romans. Do you honestly thing they would have gotten as technologicly advanced and helped society so much if they hadn't concored all the land? Without some wars, no one would have gotten any where. Period. Rome wouldn't have turned into the Roman empire and wouldn't have gotten so far and so many other things that have helped today's society. You must look much farther into war than death and misery. Without it, we wouldn't be Americans. It's a way of human progress. And that's a fact.


So, let me know what you think while I go take my shower. tongue.gif
Rachel
....So what is your question up for debate? Should there be world peace?

If that is it, then obviously yes.
Paradox of Life
Isn't world peace the ultimate goal? Obviously, everyone wants world peace. To be happy and live pleasant lives is the reason for living, but obviously with everything that's been going on there's no possible way we can achieve that. People won't always get along with one another and we can't always agree and that's the root of wars. In order to achieve world peace, we'd need to rid of misfits and to do that we'd have to be doing the same thing Hitler did. Humans are born with different personalities and would fall into the catagory of "undesirable", so as long as there is variance, there is not world peace.
HongKongDong
I think its the goal of many people around the world... but I don't think peace is what the world needs. "Peace is nothing but a result of war"
shanny
i don't really like wars, but they are neccesary, like you mentioned. world peace isn't what people need, they just need to be at peace with themselves. so yes, war is good. but only when its necesary...now i'll get off my soapbox before i get started on the uneccesary presence of soldiers in iraq.
rOckThISshYt
Well, I'll flip sides for a moment here. I think in many ways (like I said) [some necissary] war can achieve a lot. Like, it's sometimes the only way to allow greater things to spread. Because of differences between countries or society, some won't accept new ideas. But if one place takes over another, those ideas might actually benefit the world. So, although peace is obviously a good thing, it's not always the best thing. At least, that's my view on it.
I would also like to make it clear to everyone that I'm not some kind of terrorist or something. blink.gif I'm not saying war in general is good. I'm just saying that there can be good things to come out of war and that sometimes it can be the greater benefit if done right.

This post was just to be more clear about the topic. Hope it helped.


And for the answer to xxcrazyjewxx's question, the question up for debate - or better yet - the topic up for debate is: Whether or not World Peace should be the actual ultimate goal or The pros and cons of war.
aera
world peace would be nice... but it seems out of our reach. theres bound to be disagreements between countries, right?
fameONE
World Peace?

Phuck. That. Shyt.

Here's world peace for yous...

Crime from the major metropolises of america have branched off to cities like Little Rock, AK (highest homicide rate in 2001). We're so busy worrying about world peace that we forget whats going on in our own backyard. Stressing out about world peace is like trying to spring before you even learn how to crawl. Handle the drug and violence problem in the US, weed out corrupt cops from police departments, make an effort to restore family values so children can be raised to be better parents than what they had.

World Peace. I couldn't give two shyts about whats going on in the middle east when I have to worry about being in my house by 10 to duck gunfire.
rOckThISshYt
QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ May 4 2005, 1:50 PM)
World Peace?

Phuck. That. Shyt.

Here's world peace for yous...

Crime from the major metropolises of america have branched off to cities like Little Rock, AK (highest homicide rate in 2001). We're so busy worrying about world peace that we forget whats going on in our own backyard. Stressing out about world peace is like trying to spring before you even learn how to crawl. Handle the drug and violence problem in the US, weed out corrupt cops from police departments, make an effort to restore family values so children can be raised to be better parents than what they had.

World Peace. I couldn't give two shyts about whats going on in the middle east when I have to worry about being in my house by 10 to duck gunfire.
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Now that is reality! When ever I've heard the topic about Iraq or anything else come up, I just talk about the point you made right there. That's what I'm talkin' about. wink.gif
pandamonium
well we as humans want world peace, it could happen. We have so much freedom. but if we limited that freedom and were strict we could have world peace. If we killed all the people that have aids we can have world peace. If we diminished all things that can harm us like drugs, guns, anything that can harm us has to be completely gone.

like i know we all want a safe world but in order for us to have a safe world we would need to be strict. you not gunna have that much freedom. for example if we had a comunistic government nobody would be poor, but then nobody would be rich. you see. you have to give up some things inorder to make things perfect.

World peace is a good goal but there has to be a balance in order for us to have freedom in our lives.
jue
sure there should be world peace; having peace throughout the world would makes things alot better. Less people would be dying; less family would be suffering and everything would just be better. PLaces wont get destroyed and everyone would be friends with everyone.

compare that to what we have now. We have so many dying these days in the iraq war; familys are getting seperated and there loosing someone important in their lives. Everyone is arguing and fighting and just not getting along. I would defiantley vote for world peace.
rOckThISshYt
QUOTE(pandamonium @ May 4 2005, 5:13 PM)
well we as humans want world peace, it could happen. We have so much freedom. but if we limited that freedom and were strict we could have world peace. If we killed all the people that have aids we can have world peace. If we diminished all things that can harm us like drugs, guns, anything that can harm us has to be completely gone.

like i know we all want a safe world but in order for us to have a safe world we would need to be strict. you not gunna have that much freedom. for example if we had a comunistic government nobody would be poor, but then nobody would be rich. you see. you have to give up some things inorder to make things perfect.

World peace is a good goal but there has to be a balance in order for us to have freedom in our lives.
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I disagree with you on this one. I don't think it could ever happen, period. As Americans, we do have a damn good amount of freedom compared to other countries but the world doesn't revolve around America. The rest of the world would need those same freedoms, as well. Besides that, I totally don't think making anything more strict would work. There are terrorist acts all over the world that are against the laws. Does that stop those men and women from profroming those acts? Of course not. If someone wants something bad enough, there's no chance in hell a law or more strict rules would stop them. Okay.. and the killing off the people with AIDs is f*cking cruel. Why would you kill someone because of a disease they have? mad.gif That doesn't even relate to world peace, you f*cking moron! I'm not talking about world health. PEACE! Do you know the definition of peace? Apparently not! So let me indulge you.

Peace=
1. The absence of war or other hostilities.
2. An agreement or a treaty to end hostilities.
3. Freedom from quarrels and disagreement; harmonious relations
4. Public security and order
5. Inner contentment; serenity: peace of mind.

Does it say anything about Diseases in there? Or more specificly, STDs? I think not, my ignorant friend. Also, have you ever heard of a little thing called, "The Black Market"? Apparently not, as well. Are you aware that it is a United States law that Switchblades are illegal under any scercumstances? This started when the real gangs started. They used small switchblades and eventually they baned them. Many people and gangs still use them today. Laws don't stop people. Ever hear the expression, "Guns don't kill people. People kill people,"? You might agree or disagree which personaly your opinion on that doesn't mean two shits to me. But the fact is, both things play a role. People will find a way to get what they want. Period. stubborn.gif Also, would you like to know how many drugs are created and what they are? They made from the ground and they're these things called PLANTS! The government or the world can't track down every living plant of canobus or other different plants. It's just not possible. People can still grow it without being caught. It happens all the time, smart one.

Also, I agree that there are some benefits to comunism. But apparently you don't know much about it. Again, me being an eighth grader and only having history that taught us about communism one year (and that was seventh grade) I'm sure I don't know much about it either, but more than you. Yeah.. everyone is at about the same financial position in communistic governments. But they also have very little say in their own government and they must follow all orders and they can't say anything bad about their ruler. If you have an opinion, you have EVERY right to voice it. In a communist government, that is not possible. At least not leagally.


If you have a retort worth my time, I will respond. But I HIGHLY doubt you do. _dry.gif
fameONE
QUOTE(rOckThISshYt @ May 4 2005, 11:13 PM)
I disagree with you on this one. I don't think it could ever happen, period. As Americans, we do have a damn good amount of freedom compared to other countries but the world doesn't revolve around America. The rest of the world would need those same freedoms, as well. Besides that, I totally don't think making anything more strict would work. There are terrorist acts all over the world that are against the laws. Does that stop those men and women from profroming those acts? Of course not. If someone wants something bad enough, there's no chance in hell a law or more strict rules would stop them. Okay.. and the killing off the people with AIDs is f*cking cruel. Why would you kill someone because of a disease they have? mad.gif That doesn't even relate to world peace, you f*cking moron! I'm not talking about world health. PEACE! Do you know the definition of peace? Apparently not! So let me indulge you.

Peace=
1. The absence of war or other hostilities.
2. An agreement or a treaty to end hostilities.
3. Freedom from quarrels and disagreement; harmonious relations
4. Public security and order
5. Inner contentment; serenity: peace of mind.

Does it say anything about Diseases in there? Or more specificly, STDs? I think not, my ignorant friend. Also, have you ever heard of a little thing called, "The Black Market"? Apparently not, as well. Are you aware that it is a United States law that Switchblades are illegal under any scercumstances? This started when the real gangs started. They used small switchblades and eventually they baned them. Many people and gangs still use them today. Laws don't stop people. Ever hear the expression, "Guns don't kill people. People kill people,"? You might agree or disagree which personaly your opinion on that doesn't mean two shits to me. But the fact is, both things play a role. People will find a way to get what they want. Period. stubborn.gif Also, would you like to know how many drugs are created and what they are? They made from the ground and they're these things called PLANTS! The government or the world can't track down every living plant of canobus or other different plants. It's just not possible. People can still grow it without being caught. It happens all the time, smart one.

Also, I agree that there are some benefits to comunism. But apparently you don't know much about it. Again, me being an eighth grader and only having history that taught us about communism one year (and that was seventh grade) I'm sure I don't know much about it either, but more than you. Yeah.. everyone is at about the same financial position in communistic governments. But they also have very little say in their own government and they must follow all orders and they can't say anything bad about their ruler. If you have an opinion, you have EVERY right to voice it. In a communist government, that is not possible. At least not leagally.
If you have a retort worth my time, I will respond. But I HIGHLY doubt you do. _dry.gif
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Spirited Away
"Men grow tired of sleep, love, singing and dancing sooner than of war."
- Homer

And plus, Man tends to see passion for everything that is life but twists it into something negative: greed, anger, evil...etc. To make peace, Man must take reign of passion, know when to quell it. In other words, an impossibility.
rOckThISshYt
QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ May 5 2005, 12:41 PM)
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Haha. Thanks. cool.gif

QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ May 5 2005, 8:11 PM)
"Men grow tired of sleep, love, singing and dancing sooner than of war."
- Homer

And plus, Man tends to see passion for everything that is life but twists it into something negative: greed, anger, evil...etc. To make peace, Man must take reign of passion, know when to quell it. In other words, an impossibility.
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I didn't understand much of that but I understand the last part. tongue.gif That's good enought for me. rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(pandamonium @ May 4 2005, 5:13 PM)
well we as humans want world peace, it could happen. We have so much freedom. but if we limited that freedom and were strict we could have world peace. If we killed all the people that have aids we can have world peace. If we diminished all things that can harm us like drugs, guns, anything that can harm us has to be completely gone.

like i know we all want a safe world but in order for us to have a safe world we would need to be strict. you not gunna have that much freedom. for example if we had a comunistic government nobody would be poor, but then nobody would be rich. you see. you have to give up some things inorder to make things perfect.

World peace is a good goal but there has to be a balance in order for us to have freedom in our lives.
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Oh yeah. I have something else to say to that post. Even if your logic did actually make sense (which it definatly doesn't) then it still wouldn't be good because without the freedoms we have now, there might be peace but people would be unhappy. Happiness should be the goal. That would be the closest thing to world peace we could ever reach, I think. In order to be happy, we need our freedom. Period.
kryogenix
QUOTE(rOckThISshYt @ May 5 2005, 9:20 PM)
Oh yeah. I have something else to say to that post. Even if your logic did actually make sense (which it definatly doesn't) then it still wouldn't be good because without the freedoms we have now, there might be peace but people would be unhappy. Happiness should be the goal. That would be the closest thing to world peace we could ever reach, I think. In order to be happy, we need our freedom. Period.
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what good is freedom without life? doesn't the right to live outweigh all other freedoms?
rOckThISshYt
QUOTE(kryogenix @ May 5 2005, 10:39 PM)
what good is freedom without life? doesn't the right to live outweigh all other freedoms?
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Oh, of course! But, like I have said many times before, people are going to terrorize no matter what the law is. Just because the laws are more strict, won't stop the people that are that serious about terrorism from terrorizing. Some people die for their radical causes. For example, dammit.... I can't think of the word right now. Suicidal bombings and so on. When people will strap themselves to a bomb just to kill up to hundreds of other peopld. That obviously is against the law. But has that ever stopped them? I think not. stubborn.gif
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