now that the new moderators have been announced, it is time for the CB Revolution.

What It Is

The CB Revolution is a reform movement of sorts. The goal of the CB Revolution is to achieve certain changes in CB. These goals are to make CB a better place.

What The Goals Are

The goals of the CB Revolution are: (may change in time)

1. The addition of a suggestions forum. (implemented)
2. Having each forum have a mod that will check all threads and posts in that forum. (come on...)
3. The reform of the Moderation System; namely, a better system for denoting verbal warnings. (implemented)
4. The informing of members about changes. Suprises are nice- but if a change affects members greatly, it is better to have member imput. (not needed)

Why These Goals?

These are the goals fo the CB Revolution, with explinations on why they should become reality:

1. The addition of a suggestions forum.
The core of online communities are it's members. An online community can have good resources, and good administrators and staff, and yet, without members it is useless. Members often have the best ideas about things that will affect them- yet currently in CB, there is no way for these ideas to be submited, save PM or a topic lost in the forums. There is no dedicated forum where users may post an idea for CB they have, for the admin ,staff, and members to see if it's a good one. Many online communities have them, and they help with keeping the community on the track the members wish it to be.

2. Having each forum have a mod that will check all threads and posts in that forum.
CB is a large forum. There are many threads, and many more posts. Yet currently, it is possible for a thread, and even more probable a post, that never gets read by a moderator. Sure, there's the report for things like that. however; members have been told that before a mod will get the PM from the report, the topic or post will have been moderated already. This is evidently not happening. Sometimes whole forums are bypassed by mods for a few days. Every police department give's it's officers beats to walk, thus insuring everything is covered. Why should createblog be different? Like policemen, moderators cannot patrol all of CB. If all the policemen in a district went around in one big bus, they would be very ineffective. moderators should spread out, and thus better utilize thier numbers. There is no use for threads in the lounge to be looked over by four different moderators within it's first 30 minutes, while a thread in cars is overlooked for 3 days.

3. The reform of the Moderation System; namely, a better system for denoting verbal warnings.
This reform would be mainly backstage, and may already be done. A member may get 5 verbal warnings a day from 5 different mods, and never get a warning increase. This shouldn't happen; the second verbal should result in an actual. With this reform, this would happen. However, this isn't the only thing in the moderation system that should be changed. moderators should warn more freely- if the rules are let to slack too much, it is not good. of course, too strict isn't good either, but that's why there are verbal warnings.

4. The informing of members about changes. Suprises are nice- but if a change affects members greatly, it is better to have member imput.
Members do not enjoy being in the dark. Moreover, members would not know if they liked the change or not? why go through the trouble to have CB recoded (example) if the members don't like it? Of course, not everything should be announced ahead of time- but certain changes should, and member imput should be collected, as member imput is valuble.

How to support the CB Revolution

This is how to support the CB Revolution:

1. Declare your support in this thread.

2. Copy this code into your signature


3. design a banner for the CB Revolution, etc.

id rather support the free basick and jambajuice from clique band camp revolution


but you typed alot .. i thinks its frivolous but whatever .. do you... if this works then we can start the basick for entertainment_MOD campaign

It's really nice of you to do this for CB. I mean, I can understand why you'd want to do this, but really I think it's more so up to the Admins. Your ideas are for the better, I can tell, and yes some of your ideas would help CB actually make a friendlier community. I appreciate how much you want CB to change

justin....
don't talk about things you don't know about. kthx.

Oh wow. I don't know what to say to that.

and what do i not know about? CB? and who's fault would that be? mine? that i don't know about that?

why is it that members should be the second class?

there are some 30ish mods, and some 90K registered members, i'll give it 10K or so posting

there are some things that money can't buy. for everything else, there's mastercard.

(sorry. i don't mean to be mean, so that's to lighten it up a bit)

members have no say in anything- the thread about having 13 year olds and the law about them sending information and such was shuffled around a bit- why? becuase members have no place to imput.

that thread adressed a topic that was essential to the survival of CB. it adressed a legal issue, and if it's suggestion was not implimented CB could be shut down. yet where did it go? lounge, then debate, then lounge.

where would future suggestions go?

i think it's time members find thier voice.

((edit))
yes, CB is jusun's. but it is mine too. it is yours. it is all of ours, because if CB becomes a spam-garden, we will care. if CB is shut down because it violates some law, we will care. it is a community, so why cannot the community take part?

u taking this too seriously ... lol... its just an online forum

no. it's an online community

well, mods control cb. that's why they're mods. no, members don't have much say in what happens to cb. that's why they're members, and not mods. the best people that we think have the best ideas and can help most with cb are chosen as mods. (most of the time ) deal with it. make yourself mod material, and maybe you'll have a say.

i'm so sick of people.

ha I have the urge to say "get a life", but I`m not that mean.

bleh... i have no wish to be a mod. i don't have the time or dedication to moderate the entire community section. yet why do i need to be a mod to have a say?


so 30some people control 10k some others, with no imput from those 10k?
sounds like a plan to me.

i could get a life, and in fact i'm tempted to. instead of contributing to CB, i could quit and have a life.

Give me a break man. It's a message board, you'll live.
Get a life or something.

You know, it's not like we don't accept new suggestions or anything (like the Mod performance thread) and we're always open to suggestions by PM or w/e. And if enough people like the idea, or if it is truly reasonable, then why not enforce it?

The thing is, Justin, people don't like your idea. You had your say, you have PLENTY of say, but what is the use if the majority don't like it? You can't speak for EVERYONE just because your one idea isn't well received.

Well then, sounds like a plan.
I'm sure you'll be dearly missed.

if that's what you think it's about gigi, then sure.

(( i actually did decide to quit. the reason i come to CB is the debate forum. right now, there are no worthy debates. there are none. i just wanted to go out like a torch, and maybe make CB a better place while i'm at it. ))

lol Sammi, when you say "mods control cB," it sounds as if we're dictators or something. Not that you meant it that way.

As for this issue, all I have to say about "cB changes" is that not much has changed. Perhaps the skins section and main page looks different, but why should it matter? It is STILL a community. Jusun--micron--is even having members participate in creating banners for the main page. Sure, thigns changed and members were allowed to submit banners in the past, but at least he still allows members to submit banners.

What you don't realize is that sure, there have been quite a few changes to cB, but overtime, things change. Sorry, but I just feel like these changes shouldn't have mattered because imho, I don't think much has changed. Perhaps "cB2," if that's what you're referring to about major changes, what you don't realize is that it would've probably taken a while to get 10k members (who actually post) to approve of something new. Not to mention that perhaps to many, there's the chance that they believe that cB2 isn't that big a change. All I'm saying is that there will always be change, it's something we can't help but succumb to. But hey, we all have different views.

As for the "suggestions" forum, a whole forum about suggestions? Okay so members would create numerous threads about many suggestions? Why not just have a thread for it? Just one thread, rather than a whole forum? Or maybe if a member has a suggestion, perhaps they should PM it to a moderator or admin?

Sorry, but it seems as if members NEVER had input on anything. But see, they do. Micron has made a few threads in the lounge, asking about signatures and whatnot.

As for the noobs thing, robb0, what you failed to mention was that regular members shoot down on newbies as well. Sure, moderators have warned a few, but ONLY as a last resort. Or rather, SHOULD be as a last resort. I've seen quite a few times when frequent members bash on newbies if they make a mistake.

"OMG YOU SPAMMED! DOUBLE POST! JFLDAJLFKS" Sometimes that's all a member would contribute to a thread if a newbie accidentally "double posted." I'm not directing this at anyone... But I've seen some members do that. What I'm saying is that you shouldn't classify moderators as the ones who seem to crack down on members.

Can't say the man isn't passionate.

Change for the better is good. I'm not sure if your ideas will actually make cB a better place by a noticable margin.

i can see your point, and i don't want to seem like i'm just siding with them for the heck of siding with them, but the mods do their best. a suggestions forum would cause a lot of controversy and conflict from people arguing whether an idea is good or not. if anyone has something to say to the mods or a suggestion, i know there's a pinned moderator performance whatever thread up there.. like gigi (sorry if that's not your name, i guessed) said, you can PM them if there's something wrong.

and i really think that if the mods made some serious changes, they'll know when it affects us or not, and they'll let us know.

if you really think about it, we do have a say. some crazy mod could be out there who wanted to completely whack up the design of this site, but that hasn't happened. one, because the majority of them are intelligent people (i'm not saying anything, i don't know any stupid mods and i don't expect one either), and two, because they know that we'll be affected by it. what they do and what they decide always has us as a factor in it (or so we hope. it certainly seems that way), so let's have some faith.

a job well done to any mod that passes by. we know you all work really hard to keep this place the way it is.

yes, a whole forum just for suggestions.

the bad ones no one posts in, and they fall. good ones stay at the top. and members get imput.

sure, i could PM a mod about these changes. what good would that do? the rest of the community can't shed thier opinons on it.

i'm not talking about CB2... i'm talking about some time way bad when, the look of CB was changed. members didn't like it, so it was changed back.

but is it necessary for an idea to always have opinions behind it? better to have mods look at the idea and think it through before sticking it out in public for support or ridicule.

i'm tired, so don't expect any more replies from me tonight.

Ah yes. But you see, members didn't like it, so it got changed back. So isn't the issue resolved?

now isn't this drawing out all the attention to yourself? if you haven't noticed everything you said completely contracted your own prior point posted sado. good game.

I shall support points two and three, sir.
A suggestion forum would require three to go into action first However, it would seem that some mods don't "want" to moderate specific forums, and sadly support for such a forum is slim

I would like to point out though, that verbal warnings do their job. Unless if you have someone that comes to the forum for the sole purpose of flame that is. What ruins the newbs more are the members that try to be a backseat mod and are picky about it.

Well I don't have much to say now past this

Just so you guys now, now there's a Verbal Warnings thread where the mods can post in telling others that certain members have been verbally warned. It is organized like the Oversized Signatures thread, and that is doing pretty well.

^ can you link it?

[edit]

V oh right... didnt read it clearly

^It is for the staff members ONLY.

oh dear. again, I told you guys the aftermath was going to be interesting!!! lol, ok...but here i go..

You know, you had some pretty good points there. Like the suggestions forum. And also about the verbal abuse people throw out around here, unfortunately some mods do. And i wrote somethan in my application like that point you made about mods posting and reading the whole section. like maybe one or two mods for the writing forum, debate forum, ect...so cb can always be at its best. The thing is, i'm sure those changes will occur overtime. If you think about it, this is a fairly new site. And the amount of space and ways we are able to impact this site is phenomeonal. As for this whole revolution thing, it will all change in time. No need to rush it.

I like the point you made about mods for every forum. I think thats not a bad idea. that would be a lot of mods tho. not saying the mods arent doing their job, it owuld just make it a lot easier. so yeah :D I'd be one for the picture forum haha.

Next time the hire you should try out for a mod postion. I think you would be great..I know its a lil to early to be talking about that but still

anyways cb revolution.....like kissme (Katie) said...change is a gradual thing.

*WAVES THE FLAG OF THE REVOLUTION*

WE DESERVE THE VOTE, FOLKS



exactly, sammi. YOU control it. and if the mods make all the decisions, they are bound to get things WRONG. which is why its time that everyone on the site was given equal say. Several people have clearly exhibited themselves TO BE mod material, at least in their own eyes and the yes of many other members. yet we were not chosen to be staff, and we were not given an explanation.

and frankly, if the mods do control the site, and people aren't happy, then its CLEAR that we need change



but have you addressed the problems of clearly informing the recipientss of the warnings that they have recived said warnings? because that seemed to be an equal problem



because in one thread, it is easy for posts to get overlooked, and when people xpress support for a particular point that has been raised, the mods get in a snit about repeat posting

cB has been changing. slowly, so maybe you don't notice certain changes at first. yes, so maybe 30-so mods may not be enough to control that "10k" who contribute, but i feel that cB is doing pretty well the way it is now.

Changing?

There's so many people. Of course its gonna change

Please, popular voting is just not practical in a forum, especially if you let the community vote for their mod.

My God, just read that: The community votes for the mod.

Popular voting works in a country because the candidate isn't a personal firend, as in the voter probably has no private connection w/ the candidate. Thus it is essentially a less bias vote. That's why candidates try to make themselves friendly and strive to become your pseudo-friend through the TV.

A forum is MUCH smaller, with the active users even LESS in numbers. You can't possibly think the sytem will be unbiased, do you?

What if a candidate-mod started underground campaigning? (bribe, bribe, bribe members)

And then think of the non-active members who will either just vote for who they personally like, or who they recognize, or even just pick a candidate out of the blue?

I KNOW some people that would run would not corrupt the system, but some will. The system will be flawed on a forum; it will not work.

The admins choose the mods for a reason. They usually don't have a personal bias towards someone since they never interact with the members. Their vote would be the most unbiased.

You've got to understand, popular voting on a forum will poison the mod system, causing the inevitable COUNTER REVOLUTION by admins to lockdown the chaos caused by a popular vote system. I've seen it happen in other forums (2 of them tried, 2 reverted back to admin pick)


I don't see how you can possibly suggest this method.

Oh and I like how different people with different goals are supporting the same revolution. How French revolutionistic it is.

wow. Its all...political...

@ Where We Are

^^i agree but seriously who are you...you just pop up out of the blue at the most random moments...you have another cb name dont you...are you trying protect yourself here...sorry i am the inquistive type...anyway i dont think the whole voting thing wouldnt work... too much bias would be involved and it wouldnt fair

I'm a forum hobo. i run around different forums.

I try not to be a troll. I try.

In forum terms, i'm a lurker here at cB. So I am random.


but why does it matter who i am. *shrug*

sammi, see thats where i have to somewhat disagree. mods dont control anything. They act as intermediates. Without dedicated members (pssh without members period) there is no use for mods. There are alot of mod material members on cb that either try out and dont make it for what ever reason or prefer to sit on the sidelines. And members should have a say (and no I am not refering to hiring). I mean how can we call cB a community if members opinions are not valued. Mods are not above anyone on this forum, with comment you made you make it seem as though they are.

Yes, the problem has been addressed. If I reported that so and so was verbally warned, that means I already PMed the person their warning.

Hey guys, though you all are understandably upset, I don't think you all should think about this situation like you would politics. Voting sounds nice and all, but when you go to apply for a job, other employees don't vote for you to get hired, you just get hired by the employer. I'm a little confused.

this is nice of you, i think i would do some of those things. but you would also half to talk it up with the mods, dont forget that =]

Precisely. Let's please just stop trying to get political here.

haha...Fae!!! Gosh you worded that perfectly. I am confused as to why anyone would bring that up smart idea..

however, the way CB works is much more similar to politics than it is to an ordinary workplace.

the members are the ones who have to interact with the mods, so why should they not have a say in who those people are?

James...durrr!! Because it would create bias. Just look at the cb hiring thread. "Well I think so and so should be a mod", "Yeah so and so have their shoe-in"....look familiar? What about the lesser known members that equally qualified. Everyone would course lean towards the members they are more close to without bothering giving the lesser members a chance. And what plan do you have in mind when comes to the voting...hmmm...I am just so curious to know. And like Fae. Its a job!! You have this in real life called hiring mangers that decide who they will hire. Sometimes they have alot of qualifed employers and you only hire some at that time. So what does the hiring manager do? They pick who they think are most qualified at the time and tell the other qualified candadites to try again later Same applies at cb. No need to have members vote when there is qualified admin to did it with little to no bias...

ahh...there problem corrected

lol.. you mean bias, not basis. ;)

well, firstly, i feel that only members with 1000 posts (or some similar restriction or limit) should have the vote, secondly, if a member wants to apply for staff, how 'little known' can they be? i think getting to know people on cb is a major part of being a mod, thus helping to strengthen the bonds of the community

secondly, as far as actual voting goes, set up a thread, each person gets to select one or two people who they feel deserve to be modded, and the people who recieve the most votes, get the position. or , alternately, to ensure the balot is secret, votes could be pmed to the mods themselves, so as to tally votes.

each mod would keep a list of those people who voteed through them, so as to protect against people trying to vote twice.

as for the 'its a job' argument... well, isnt the presidency or and political position a job too? like it or not, the mods are the closest thing cb has to a government, and as such teh members of cb, [I]which are who the hiring of mods effect [I] deserve a say in who is chosen

wow... i seem to be having this same argument (or a similar one) in two seperate threads... does someone want to pick one?

AHHH....BIAS...and I am a college student...I should know better!!!!! I will edit....

I still dont like the idea. BIAS...would still come into play. and i will say once again I agree with Fae

well... i'll say again that i disagree with fae. =)

how do you think bias will come into play? i mean, yes, there is the aspect that people could run a campaign, bu ti think people are intellingent enough not to just follow a crowd, and if a person mamanges to persaude people to vot efor them, they must be doing something right.

rofl, i cant believe you just said that
i really dont want to make a comparison to hitler, hahahahhaha
In my opinion, I think you have alot more to learn about people

I support this. Why?

Because I find that members do need a voice in this kind of stuff. The mods can't tell them what is right or wrong in THEIR perspective. Members need to give suggestions too.

I don't see why this is such a big issue to the most of the mods.

in my opinion, you seem very defensive about letting people have an equal say.

im sorry, but there is a difference between being forced to follow a crowdfor the sake of the lives of your family and friends, and following the crowd when you are being encouraged to speak out with your opinions

i believe that any member who has posted enought to reach 1000 posts will have formed their own opinions about potential staff members, and will use their own instincts when voting

i did NOT make a hitler comparison lol, so you cant use that against me

also..i've made a total of 2 posts on this matter...i was aware of it long before now and just didnt care to say any thing, but hen i felt somewhat offended by the posts some people were making which lead me to get involved. I could care less if it were up to the people who chose the new staff this time or the general public. I'm not being defensive. I thought what you said was funny because i know that there are alot of people who do just follow he crowd to even greater and more ignorant heights you may think might only happen in movies or the midevil times.