Darn it sux now body wants to stand up for there beliefs

Ok most of that is completely wrong. You obviously have not read the Bible to any meaningful extent, nor have you researched theology, especialy Christianity and its principles. I dont even know why im defending the christians but nobody else seems to be doing it. Ok Jesus IS God. He is God on Earth. Man can not live free from sin. It is in his nature. And because God is perfect, Man cannot be exposed to God while having sinned. In God's laws, if you have sinned, you will go to Hell. But since he is all forgiving and merciful, he sends down his son to die for everyones sins. SO if you believe that jesus has died for your sins then your sins will be cleansed.

When people have faith, they have faith in the fact that its NOT a lie. Do you have faith in gravity? You know scientists till this day can not prove gravity exists. Yet you still believe in it. Why?

i realli dunno

Ummmm wrong.....gravity is proven....read Hyperspace by Michio Kaku.....Gravity can be proven mathmaticly.....also it can be felt and seen....so i dont have to have faith in it...because i can feel it when i work out.....the only place where gravity cant be shown mathmaticly is when placing it in an equation for Unity.....if there was a unifying theory for the universe...then everything could be proven wrong or right.....and if you want to get down to it.....there have been studies that show that "god" may be nothing but a voice in the 10th dimension...yes there are alternate dimensions...13 so far discovered....but that is a different topic.....if there is a god he is superficial.....and if he is in the 10th dimension....we cant see him because as 3 dimensional creatures we can not perseve nething that exsist in a higher dimension...only lower.......for example....a 2 dimensional creature would see a ball as a dot that grows then strinks as it pass threw the 2 dimensional plan.....so if there is a god....prove it then ill believe....hmmmmmm faith...i dont like the idea of it.....the idea that there is a more powerful being in control of everything that happens in my life...that i have no control over the out come of my life.....that sounds like slavery.....and if you want more on that....watch the matrix.....based on the same ideas.....just replace the machines with "god"...... oh and jesus is the son of god.....not god him self....i do kno that much.....and no i didnt study theology...im in a public school it would illegal.....Thank doG

ok, im not too clear. But im pretty sure Christians consider the 'son of God' as part of God. Its a very complicated idea, but technically hes still God. And i went to a public school also but I still made sure i understood enough about a religion before i start talking about it.

I don't really care. It takes too much time to think about stuff like this coz they're both kinda right.

Yeah, see, when you spend 6 years of your early life in a Catholic school, you get to learn things that Jesus is God. If you read the bible like you said you did, you would know that.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

I'm really caught in between...I'm a christian, and I believe in god, but the do have scientific facts about evolution...

Never said i read the bible......i dont believe in propaganda......but i have read parts unforunately....and for what i did read..it said he was create by "god"....thus the son of "god" or a creation of his.....hmmmm sounds kinda twisted....a creation.....

i dont think jesus was created by god. atleast not literally. from what i know, the 'son of god' has always been with god.

he could have always been with god...unless he wasnt born to mary and joseph

The ones who believe in the existence of God, especially Christians, have written many long books, short articles, and everything else in between trying to prove God's existence to the doubters. They have used examples from nature; they have constructed logical arguments using scientific facts and theories and philosophical considerations. The nonbelievers have also written many books and articles trying to show that God does not exist. The believers remain believers; the doubters remain doubters. Usually, nothing much is gained for either side by these arguments.

something my friend wrote.

No!!! God wrote the bible. Other people put words down on paper BUT God wrote it!!! He told them what to write!!!

His disciples wrote the bible; God did not tell them what to write in the bible. His disciples recorded as they were following Him.

Well, if other people wrote it, then arent THEY the writers?

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

Evolution. It just makes more sense to me, but both sides have its explainations.

However, my friend is a Christian, and she believes in evolution.

the "writer" might be the people. but the "author" is God.

creation.. mos def

both,i dont no what to choose

Ok nobody knows who wrote the bible....they still dont kno to this day....but it wasnt god...and for those that say:


Your wrong and not thinking...he thought of the bible and told someone else what to write.....if he wrote it...i dont think we would be able to touch....it would be perfect.....but then again we are tought growing up that nobody is perfect....y would god be ne different....how do you kno that him giving us free will wasnt a mistake.....maybe he is in denial and just cant admit his screw ups......

in between

But still...in a way, doesn't the Bible contradict itself that Jesus is the son of God and yet God as well?

Whoa, that confused me.
I thought authors and writers were one and the same.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

ok first thing:


1. Did you know that orignally scientists claimed that the earth was about 100 million years old. Now they say that it is 65 billion years old so it will fit in their "explanation".

2. How can something come from nothing in the big bang? The big bang defies the laws of thermodynamics.

3. All of you people that have taken biology-----> evolutionists say that the simplerer life came first right? well, the simplest life there is, is a one-cell parasite. how could they survive initially without some other life?

4. All of the fossil finds that men have found of "missing links" have been largely made up. In fact, the one named Lucy's bones were found 2 miles apart with 200 feet depth separation. how could they belong to one organism.

5. The geologic time scale can not be found layer ofr layer in any part of the wolrd. The grand Canyon itself is missing about 150 milliong years.

6. There have been fossil finds of fish on Mt. Everest> explain that unless there wasn't a worldwide flood. Water dsplaces and finds its own level, so the only way for a fish to make it to the top of a mountian is for a wolrd-wide flood to occur.

I'm definitely for creation.

I agree with you completely.

Also...
I was looking thorugh some creation magazines and stuff like that and I have found lots of intresting information that you might want to know but since everything that has to do with creation outsmarting evolution intrest me, I doubt that you might want to look through all the articles so I'll just post some of the more intresting ones.
How Neptune defies the theory of evolution:
Neptune Page 1
Neptune page 2
Neptune page 3
Sorry if the articles are blurry...I had to use my old scanner.
Oh...and also for those of you who don't know (everyone should already know this) if you're using Internet Explorer it resizes the image to fit your screen. All you have to do to see it properly is to hover your mouse on the bottom-right of the image until the resizer thing appears and click on it. lol, shame on you for those of you who didn't know this!

Ok.... Heres another one if you're intrested...
Ostrich Egg breaks Dino to Bird Theory: Page1
Ostrich page 2

Yes... I know I'm crazy to be looking at magazines and studying stuff like this for fun but oh well... I least I have some solid ground on what to believe and not.

I also have bible verses and thigs which I took notes on that tells about evolution and stuff so I'll post those up too as soon as I find them.

It's easy to find little contradiction to evolution. But unless there is overwhelming evidence, IE every gas giant shows same traits as neptune etcetc, evolution still stands as the most plausible theory.

Some people still believe the Earth is flat and they have "evidence" to back up their claims. Do you believe the world is flat?

i messed up on this post.... nooo... anyways look at the one below cuz this post the urls don't work for some reason.

ok... I finally found the notes... It isn't much but it tells you who came up with the idea of evolution. Some of you may believe it was charles darwin but i say not. It was the Phonecians who came up with the theory of evolution.
Look at my notes if you don't understand what I mean...
Notes: Look at the Phonecians
Sorry for my handwriting. Its just notes.

Well, Charles Darwin is the first one to officially publish a "modern" work about it.

I wish it were creation, but most likely its evolution.

1) yeah that all fits..

2) Thermodynamics has nothing to do with the big bang...its all gravity

3)If you have taken Biology you would have learned bout the experiment that showed how life can come from basic elements

4)Fossil Prints of one plant where foun in South America....and the other part of the print was found in Africa...this is what proved Plate Tectonics...the moving of the Earths Crust

5)Layers are missing due to Erosion and other Weathering elements....all take into consideration...the Ice Ages...yes there have been many...

6)Fish Fossil on Mt. Everest prove that the Earths crust is always moving upwards...if you where to ever follow it...you can see the Mt. Everest and K2 are always switchin off as tallest in the world...they are still growing....if you watch a video of the earths surface changing over the last couple Billion years you would see that the Himialayas is a relativly New mountian Range that just has a fast rate of growth....

And why is that?

because i dont want to die and be gone forever

Sorry; I should have been more clear. The question I asked was based on this:

"but most likely its evolution. "

because i don't beleive in magical creatures whom create anything at all. and where would He come from anywayz?

let people just speak thier mind. its cool to hear in this case read about what others think. and i think i belive in evolution. i am into beliveing in god/ jesus i belive in them, but i question it when it comes to creating the world, for me its like my parents telling me that money grows on trees.

i highly doubt creation will happen... a new species just popping up from the ground....

evolution will take place, according to some scientists, humans will increase our intelligence, fix our faults, and make ourselves more appealing with machinery... not only that.. but machinery will soon grow with us... we will be machines!!... muaha.

1. If the earth's magnetic field would have been so strong to end upto what it is today..... it would have fried all life. Or, if it was strong enough to still support life, there would be no magnetic field.

2. The Second Law of Thermodynamics can be stated in many different ways, e.g.:

that the entropy of the universe tends towards a maximum (in simple terms, entropy is a measure of disorder)

usable energy is running out

information tends to get scrambled

order tends towards disorder

a random jumble won’t organize itself

ORDER FROM DISORDER????? it is like a book factory exploding and creating a dictionary.

3. Spontaneous generation is now been accepted as impossible. Louis Pasteur conducted an expreriment using flasks that proved this statement. Only biogenesis is possible.

4. Ok, i see your point,
But----
'The various australopithecines (the group in which Lucy was said to belong) are, indeed, more different from both African apes and humans in most features than these latter are from each other. Part of the basis of this acceptance has been the fact that even opposing investigators have found these large differences as they too, used techniques and research designs that were less biased by prior notions as to what the fossils might have been'.

In layman's terms, this group is not part of the missing links to humans

+tell me why men have sculpted an entire missing link out of a single tooth?? or when they put together a man nd a monkey and called it a missing link?

5. THE Flood... how else could a canyon like that be made?? That also is an eplaination for the 150 years. There are other places that weathering and erosion should not effect. There should be at leat one example, but there is not.

6. Ok, so why have there HUGE amounts of drift-fish fossils (fish that float along with current) found all facing the exact same direction and at the exact same layer of the earth (indicating the same time). THat means a MASSIVE current.... also fish fossils of fish with food halfway have been found all over.... they say that fossils form over 1,000 years.... i don't think that a fish would take 1,000 years to halfway their. There had to be Sudden pressure.

i say in betwee the both, because teh organisms couldnt just pop out of nowhere.......

Wrong tense.

omg you scientists

I can barely understand what your saying....

nice research though..






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Creation- If god made us, something made god, the maker is made by someone else. This just goes on and on and on infinitely. Outside of this, someone made this "system of infinite creators". Thats what i believe in, no single supreme being.

that is really confusing
like

chicken or egg.. which came first

How do you know something made god?

i agree wit chu seon ho... i mean how does he knoe who made God? hm?...

Ok.... look how complex the world is. How could it just happen out of nowhere? You have to draw the line somewhere.... I know this is going to sound "Christainist" but we just comprehend something that had no beginning....

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning." Word meaning Jesus Christ..... yeah I know ????WHAT????? they are together--->Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit. "Yeah, but that's the Bible." Come on, this God loves us.... yeah loves everyone us who does drugs, has sex, and attempts suicide or murder. Think about it.... to have someone love so unconditionally as that.... don't you want that? Don't you want to go somewhere after you die, it only makes sense that there is a place that you go. You want to go to the right place (heaven), believe me.

right on, man...right on!

I'm just saying that everything is created by something and that something is alos created by another and it just goes on. Because if god was just there, why is he just there? Who made him in the first place? IF he just appeared, then who made him appear? Its like:

the following is true
the previous is false

never ending cycle. But now think outside of the cycle. I just wrote that meaning it was created even though it never has a beginning or end. Complicated

What we are saying is that He was there in the beginning. We can't comprehend it because we think that everything has a beginning because we only trust what we physically see. What I am saying is that you have to accept by faith that there had to be something that was there all of the time. aka GOD

i'm not saying im sacreligious or anything, but i find it..just a little unrealistic to think that someone plopped a bunch of humans down, then the world started. If you think about it, the realist explanation..i guess is that we evolved from bacteria....like one big cycle type thing. mmyepp...