its not a sin if you dont believe in any god.

It shouldnt be banned, because... you cant please all the religions, even if christianity is the magority, if you please them, what about the minorities?

and the pledge issue, i think they should get rid of it.

no..not everyone is christian. not everyone believes in the same thing.

jewish people believe in god.......
the only people that don't believe in a god, if i'm correct, are atheists..please know what you're talking about before you talk.

^^ i read that too... but im not sure thats exactly what they meant... i think what was meant was Jewish people and people who dont believe in God, with out the other...

surely noone could be that dense?

oh..well hopefully that's what they meant then. otherwise.....

and ya never know, most people here didn't know what a bar/bat mitzvah was.

and why are you not on msn?

i don't think it's good, but i don't think it should be banned.

i do know what i'm talking about. when under god was put into the pledge, it was directed towards the Christians' god. THATS what i meant.

^Woah. Wait...isn't the Jewish G-d and the Christian G-d the same thing except we believe in Him differently? That is very rude saying that it was put towards the Christian G-d and highly offensive


^I had mine 2 years ago! :D

^

Well, there may be a God for different religions, but even though they are called by the same name, it doesn't mean that they're the same in nature.

And besides, even if the pledge refers to ALL religions' Gods, it's still offensive to those who don't believe in God.

exactly, when I say the pledge, I don't say that part because it is offensive to me since I don't believe in god..but in replying to the topic, I don't think it CAN be banned because not everyone is christian obviously, so it doesn't offend those who aren't. Personally, I think the pledge shouldn't be banned, just revised to say: one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all: now, was that hard to say?

If its a public school, then it shouldn't be banned because public schools do not sway people to a certain religion,I think...Even if 90% of the school was public, they can't ban saying a word because they could just be saying oh my god, and not actually refer to God.

Uh, so you just offended me for saying that your God is the only God, does this mean that you have no right to claim that anymore? After all, if I offend you by saying "Oh my God" so I should stop, shouldn't you stop claiming that your God is the only God because you're offending me?

Both sides are being offensive here, so what gives you more right to continue offending me and I should have no right to offend you?

but how is it offensive? so what if you dont believe in God? i dont believe in reincarnation (random example) but i dont mind talking about it on a daily basis. the pledge isnt propoganda- its not some clever guise to brainwash people into believing in God. and as many people have pointed out, more than just Christians believe in God. why would we bother revising it? can we not let tradition stand? you cant please everyone, so how about instead of revising everything to fit the needs of people who have to have everything just to their liking, we let it stand

^^ Well, if we should let tradition stand, we shouldn't have bother to add "under God" to the pledge in the first place.


But I agree that Christians aren't the only ones who believe in God and that it doesn't make sense to try to please everyone.

First of all...at my school sommmeee teachers give you detentions for profanity anyway. So it's like agianst the rules anyway..but you can't stop it. Even if its banned people will still say it...

But like uninspired fae said...its the my...It's not like your bashing anyone's religion at all..

it was added in after originally written?


last year i heard all but one of my teachers curse, so i havent seen anyone but ms parris bother to give detention for profanity anyway [/irrelevent]

The pledge was first written in 1892 as "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

In 1924 "my flag" changed to 'the Flag of the United States of America'.

President Eisenhower supported the addition of "under God" after he was preached to by Rev. George Docherty.


The writer of the Pledge resented the first change. His surviving granddaughter at the time said that he would have resented the second change as well.

But to answer your question in full, yes it was added after it was written and also after the death of its author.

oh, i never realized that

I heard somewhere that the only reason they put "God" in the pledge is because it would make the U.S seem like the good guys because if you have "God" on your side, then you would be good. Well, I only heard this, so whatever.

Ya thats true. During the 1950's (Cold War), everybody was afraid of the "Communists" (China and Russia), so they added the pledge. Thank God for Nixon for going to China.

not really hardcore religous...god....is just another expression to give something intensity when using it ....for the wrong reasons

Yeah same here.
I think it should be banned.
I mean I'm very religious.
My heart is full of Christianity and
when I hear someone using God's name in vain.
I do not like it. I hear a lot of createblog members
using God's name in vain. Yeah I ignore it, but
it's sickening. And neither I do not want to quit
CB... whenever I look at it, I just sing "Our God
is an awesome God" you know that song, yeahh...
So yeah I think it should be banned from our school.
Because I know that half of our school students are
most likely Christianity hehe...
.
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^^

but maybe there not talking about the same god. when i say oh my god, im alking about thor, the thunder god. he's my patron deity, and im talking about him. it has nothing whatever to do with the christian religion at all

But still, even they mention the word "god" or "God"
it still sounds the same, so I think it should be
banned even though they think god as thunder god or the zeus...

^^

why hough? if someone really believes in something like that, surely its helty that thats the first thing that comes out when somethig startles them, like they are turning for help or w/e

Get the word copyrighted then, SHEEESSSSH.

It will never be banned... GET OVER IT.

It just doesn't make sense to me...how is it SICKENING? It's not like they're going up to you and saying "The God that Susan believes in is a bit fat hunk of lard, useless piece of crap." (just an example)

Just how is someone saying something that is NOT offensive to THEM and a whole lot of people something that should be banned? The thing about swearing God's name in vain is that it isn't like racism or sexism, that it's a form of discrimination and that you're insulting and putting down what they believe in or who they are, but this is just a matter of religious rules and conduct.

Since swearing God's name in vain is only a sin if you're religious, then why would it be considered hate or offensiveness if someone nonreligious said it? The person saying it is merely saying something that, if that person were to be religious, would be a sin to them and only them. The person swearing God's name will NOT affect you, will NOT affect the religious person. This is the same with same sex marriages: if two people are doing something that is sinful, why are you so against it? They't not affecting you or ruining your good terms with God and chances to get into heaven. Why do you have to make such a big deal out of it?

The other thing that gets me is, if swearing God's name in vain should be banned, then why not swearing in general? It's ridiculous to ban something that offends only one part of a population, the religious people, and not everyone else, when there is something else out there that is offensive to EVERYONE. It's a preposterous idea to ban swearing in general, and even a more preposterous idea to ban swearing God's name in vain, because it's not even offensive to the whole general public.

oh my f**king god! oh my effing god! oh my god!

it doesnt rly bother me becuz i am not of that religion so i could care less.

ever heard of seperation of chuirch and state?
they can't make laws based on religion

this isnt really an argument, but i find it funny sometimes how non-religious/atheist/agnostic people will say things like "oh my god." it just seems contradictary..

really though, when people say "oh my god," they dont really mean God. its just an expression. "God" in that phrase has lost any actual meaning.

but then, when you think about it, you're saying "MY god"; and there is more than one religion, am i right? you're not saying the word as a name... you're really saying "oh my deity/higher power." and even if you do mean God (note capitalization), you arent really saying his name.

actually there are some religions that dont believe in any gods.

(sorry for double post)

I believe, that even if we did ban it people would still stay it, heck they'd prolly say it more. At the schools i've been to some class mates refer to others and N***ers, Tell me that ain't right, I believe the schools have bigger problems then students saying Oh My God.
But that's just me

I have friends that claim they're atheist and still celebrate Christmas *contradictary*

Celebrating Christmas for the sake of celebration IS NOT contradictory. How can it be?

Well...Christmas really has long lost all its religious meaning, now it's just one big marketing event of the year.

I still feel that Christmas and Easter are about God and Jesus, and If you say your Athiest and Celebrate because of the presents and treats you get your being a hippacrite *SP* sworry

^ No you're not. Not if you view Christmas as a commercial holiday, one in which you recieve presents. If you view Christmas as such, you aren't a hypocrite for being atheist, because then you'd think Christmas, to you, has nothing to do with God. Atheists don't even believe in God, therefore Christmas is not about God, therefore they are not hypocrites.

People who are religious and only celebrate Christmas for the gifts are hypocrties.

Go kill yourself now. I don't see how some Christians could live with such condemnation towards others and say that their job is to spread God's love. You want pure hypocrisy? I just provided the example.

If you want to learn more about the ORIGINS of Christmas or debate about it, please refer to the thread titled "you can't have it both ways!!!!".

Though, I don't see how one could argue against facts of history.

Actually, no, the 'God of the Christians' and the 'God of the Jews' really are the same God. Jesus was Jewish, and supposedly came from the God of the Jews. Its the same God, just celebrated differently.

well, jews don't believe jesus is their savior so..it may be different. i can't be sure though, i haven't attended enough temple services to know for sure.

then dont argue about GOD. dont leave a foul comment too.

theyre both monotheistic, which is almost a similarity enough, but Christianity branched off Judaism. Jesus was Jewish, and so it only makes sense for Christians and Jews to believe in the same God. while Christians also believe in God as the trinity- father, son, and holy spirit, its still the same thing. is this making sense?

I wasn't referring to only Jews and Christians. There are more than two religions that believe in God, you know.

this isn't my opinion, this is written clearly in black and white in the constitution, first amendment:

FREEDOM OF SPEECH

meaning that people can say OMG however many times they want to. if a teacher forbids you from saying it, then they are doing something unconstitutional.

Jews and Christians worship the same god

Christians believe that theGOd has sent a svior already, i.e Jesus. where as jews are still waiting
but they both worsship the GOd the old teastament

meh, i'll get back to you during senior, when i'm taking IB world religions.

yes, im aware

im confused, will someone please tell me that if jews and christians worship the same god, why do you have to kill each other and fight so many wars against each other? correct me if im wrong, cuz im atheist nd dont no much about religion, but isnt one of the ten commandments "thou shalt not kill", yet christians and jews kill each other?

they felt that they were killing to uphold the glory of God.
and as the model united nations dork stated, Christians believe that Jesus Christ's resurrection brought the world salvation. however, the Jews scorned Jesus and claim that they are still waiting the "The Messiah."

is that me... lol

i am a dork. i've come to terms with it

but yes, they worship the same God, but have different ideas on whether or not certain prophecies have been fulfilled

all right, i haven't came to this debate in a while, but yall convinced me manz..


it's really impossible trying to ban it. try making a new years resolution to try your best to avoid swearing God's name in vain. yep; it's hard. Took me lots of months too.

you can keep this debate going if you want to, but these r my points when i wanted it to be banned:

- School promises ur kid is gonna be safe. They promise to try their best to make sure nobody is offended b/c of their race/religion.

I'm sure you're asking: There isn't that many Evangilistic children, so why ban it? There isn't that many Amish and they got their deal on not letting their children go to school b/c it's against their religion.

as i said b4, im convinced that it's impossible for it to be banned.